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Backstory: I've been in my job for over 19 years so I really know my stuff and have excellent relationships with all of the various people I work with. For the most part, I enjoy my job and I am not looking for other opportunities. Without going into detail about my job, essentially I review/approve applications at one level, then pass it on to a colleague (let's call her "Jane") in another office for review/approval at a higher level. I have been working with her for at least 10+ years.
Spoiler!
A few months ago, Jane informed me that she will be retiring in a few months and asked if I would be interested in applying for her job. With my specific skill-set, her job is pretty much the only job I would consider moving to. I have a fairly good understanding of what she does (e.g. I check for ABC, then she checks for XYZ), and I have also worked with many others in her office, so I felt that I would be the perfect candidate for her job. I have never seen a job description where I could do a vast majority of the tasks, with a good idea of how to figure out the other tasks I had less experience with. If I got her job, it would be an immediate 13% increase in salary (gross) and I could foresee myself retiring in that job.
I went ahead, crafted a strong resume, excellent cover letter, and submitted an application. I had 3 top notch references lined up: my boss, a senior level executive, sad to hear that I had applied for another job but also very supportive and offered to be a reference before I even asked; and two others that also do similar work as Jane (so they are familiar with Jane, her office, and know what the position entails), and I have also worked with them for many years so they know me well. When they found out Jane was retiring, they wondered if I would apply for her job.
I got invited for an interview and was told that the panel would be Jane's boss (who I have also known for many years, but work together infrequently), Jane's co-worker (I have exchanged a few emails with before), and Jane herself. So between my interviewers and 2/3 of my references, we ALL know each other.
On the day of the interview, Jane was sick and couldn't make it unfortunately, so it ended up being only her boss and co-worker. I was well-prepared for the interview and none of the questions caught me off guard. I was not nervous, and we almost used up the full 1-hr time slot. I asked the interviewers thoughtful questions. I left the interview confident that I had done my best without any regrets. Later that night, I sent personalized thank you notes to the interviewers. I thought to myself that if I ended up not getting the job, it wouldn't have been because I messed up; they would have selected someone better than me (but I didn't think that would be possible).
Well, on Thursday I was informed that they had selected someone else for the position. I don't think I have ever felt more disappointed. I didn't even get called for a second interview! How on earth did they find someone better suited for the job?
In a way, it's good Jane was not there for the interview because it would make the next remaining few months working with her extremely awkward. It's also going to be weird working with Jane's successor, knowing that I applied for their job (and felt very qualified for), but he/she wouldn't know this. It will be extremely frustrating if this person sucked at the job (e.g. why are you asking me questions that I wouldn't need to ask if I was in your role?).
The last two nights I've been having trouble sleeping because I'm still trying to get over this rejection. I need to focus on the positives: I enjoy my job, I like the people I work with, and I wasn't looking for a change to begin with.
But deep down, I still truly believe that over the last 19 years, I have been training for Jane's job.
__________________ Do Not Put Aftershave on Your Balls. -604CEFIRO Looks like I'm gonna have some hot sex again tonight...OOPS i got the 6 pack. that wont last me the night, I better go back and get the 24 pack! -Turbo E kinda off topic but obama is a dilf - miss_crayon Honest to fucking Christ the easiest way to get a married woman in the mood is clean the house and do the laundry.....I've been with the same girl almost 17 years, ask me how I know. - quasi
Who's worked for a publicly-traded company/large corporation and have successfully asked for a 1x pay raise?
1x as in double your salary? Nah, won't happen unless they made a huge mistake in levelling you (possible) or you delivered on some huge project that only could do (highly unlikely)
All large companies have well defined salary bands that people slot into and most comp discussions are about where you are in the band - you're negotiating to be moved higher and that band is usually relatively narrow (20% spread max).
If you were a total rock star last year and showed that you're in the wrong level then we're talking a promotion and that's usually a 10-20% bump in comp for a single level promo.
Stock (RSUs) are usually also on a band as well - your level gets a fixed range that either tops you up to a target total comp number or is treated as a "lottery ticket" (rare). Hard to negotiate that in most companies.
OTOH, if they levelled you wrong when they brought you in AND you were a total rock star then you could possibly double your money.
i always think anyone has a shot, no matter how likely someone is a slam dunk.
seen too many shockers in selections made so i always advise people to always shoot their shot if they want it. at least you tried and at least you know, and can move on.
Backstory: I've been in my job for over 19 years so I really know my stuff and have excellent relationships with all of the various people I work with. For the most part, I enjoy my job and I am not looking for other opportunities. Without going into detail about my job, essentially I review/approve applications at one level, then pass it on to a colleague (let's call her "Jane") in another office for review/approval at a higher level. I have been working with her for at least 10+ years.
Spoiler!
A few months ago, Jane informed me that she will be retiring in a few months and asked if I would be interested in applying for her job. With my specific skill-set, her job is pretty much the only job I would consider moving to. I have a fairly good understanding of what she does (e.g. I check for ABC, then she checks for XYZ), and I have also worked with many others in her office, so I felt that I would be the perfect candidate for her job. I have never seen a job description where I could do a vast majority of the tasks, with a good idea of how to figure out the other tasks I had less experience with. If I got her job, it would be an immediate 13% increase in salary (gross) and I could foresee myself retiring in that job.
I went ahead, crafted a strong resume, excellent cover letter, and submitted an application. I had 3 top notch references lined up: my boss, a senior level executive, sad to hear that I had applied for another job but also very supportive and offered to be a reference before I even asked; and two others that also do similar work as Jane (so they are familiar with Jane, her office, and know what the position entails), and I have also worked with them for many years so they know me well. When they found out Jane was retiring, they wondered if I would apply for her job.
I got invited for an interview and was told that the panel would be Jane's boss (who I have also known for many years, but work together infrequently), Jane's co-worker (I have exchanged a few emails with before), and Jane herself. So between my interviewers and 2/3 of my references, we ALL know each other.
On the day of the interview, Jane was sick and couldn't make it unfortunately, so it ended up being only her boss and co-worker. I was well-prepared for the interview and none of the questions caught me off guard. I was not nervous, and we almost used up the full 1-hr time slot. I asked the interviewers thoughtful questions. I left the interview confident that I had done my best without any regrets. Later that night, I sent personalized thank you notes to the interviewers. I thought to myself that if I ended up not getting the job, it wouldn't have been because I messed up; they would have selected someone better than me (but I didn't think that would be possible).
Well, on Thursday I was informed that they had selected someone else for the position. I don't think I have ever felt more disappointed. I didn't even get called for a second interview! How on earth did they find someone better suited for the job?
In a way, it's good Jane was not there for the interview because it would make the next remaining few months working with her extremely awkward. It's also going to be weird working with Jane's successor, knowing that I applied for their job (and felt very qualified for), but he/she wouldn't know this. It will be extremely frustrating if this person sucked at the job (e.g. why are you asking me questions that I wouldn't need to ask if I was in your role?).
The last two nights I've been having trouble sleeping because I'm still trying to get over this rejection. I need to focus on the positives: I enjoy my job, I like the people I work with, and I wasn't looking for a change to begin with.
But deep down, I still truly believe that over the last 19 years, I have been training for Jane's job.
Hopefully for your sake, the person hired is way more qualified than u and knows what they are doing. Itll take the sting away thats for sure.
Let's just say I work for a university so I'm internal to the institution, but not necessarily Jane's office. I thought of others in her office that might want to apply for her job, but I don't think anybody else is qualified for that job.
In fact, one of the interview questions was "have you ever experienced a challenge working with anybody in our office?" and I knew exactly who they were referring to. I smiled at the interviewer and said "I understand why you are asking this question" as in "I know who you're talking about", and applied my prepped answer for the typical challenge/conflict question to this situation. I felt that this question was a telltale sign that they were testing to see if I could handle working in their office, which I thought I nailed.
I don't know who they ended up hiring. I tried asking Jane (which was a mistake and probably put her in a bad spot) but she didn't tell me. Guess I'll find out in a few months.
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Originally Posted by GLOW
was the person chosen internal?
i always think anyone has a shot, no matter how likely someone is a slam dunk.
seen too many shockers in selections made so i always advise people to always shoot their shot if they want it. at least you tried and at least you know, and can move on.
Yeah I did my best and don't have any regrets. Also sent another thank you note after the rejection to keep the door open should a similar opportunity come up. But it won't be Jane's job unless it doesn't work out for the replacement...
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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS
Hopefully for your sake, the person hired is way more qualified than u and knows what they are doing. Itll take the sting away thats for sure.
In hindsight, there are two preferred qualifications that I don't have: 1) post-graduate degree in a relevant discipline (I can't see how that would affect your ability to do this job) 2) experience in a senior level administrative position (this might be my only weakness, but does 19 years experience working with people at various levels not make up for this?). I'm pretty sure that between my resume, cover letter, and interview, I demonstrated that I have all of the other preferred qualifications.
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Originally Posted by mikemhg
19 years? Jesus that's a slap in the face.
Like someone else said, did they hire someone internal or external?
Does the role require any relationships outside of your company, or who you know in terms of external clients?
Yes, the role requires relationships with others outside of the university, which I have and did point out during the interview (i.e. you should hire me because I know ABC in my office, DEF in your office, GHI across the university, and XYZ outside of the university, which can only benefit the candidate and your office.)
__________________ Do Not Put Aftershave on Your Balls. -604CEFIRO Looks like I'm gonna have some hot sex again tonight...OOPS i got the 6 pack. that wont last me the night, I better go back and get the 24 pack! -Turbo E kinda off topic but obama is a dilf - miss_crayon Honest to fucking Christ the easiest way to get a married woman in the mood is clean the house and do the laundry.....I've been with the same girl almost 17 years, ask me how I know. - quasi
The thing with colleges and universities is -- even though in most other work places, experience would trump your academic background, the SMT in academic still generally take the alma mater and level of academic education into account. It is just how the game is played, and those things are the currencies that matter.
Your situation reminded me of my own experience of getting turned down for grad school. I had good grades; I had some relevant research experience doing stuff for a prof; I had some strong references from the prof I worked for, as well as from my supervisors. I met up with the prospective prof whom I would have been studying under, and I thought we had a great meeting. I thought I had all my ducks lined up, but at the end of the day, all I got was a pretty standard rejection letter from the grad studies office. At the time, I was young and stupid enough to send a politely written email to check with the prof and to express my disappointment of not getting accepted, but the reply I got was a super generic blurb of how I wasn't quite the right match.
In hindsight, not getting accepted into grad school probably ended up being a good thing. But at the time I was really bummed out.
Keep your head high and keep looking forward. But if I were being honest with myself, I would find ways to deliberately not help the new Jane beyond the minimal amount of professional assistance / collaboration that is required.
depending on place of work, government/institutional often are like this - that post grad, if on paper it says it's needed, could have played a role.
i'm sure the jobs i applied to at a city where i checked all the boxes for and i didn't even get a call for interview, is because my engineering degree isn't in civil, which is somewhat frustrating
good on you for following up to keep that door open...never know if jane doesn't work out they may give you a 2nd look...
. It will be extremely frustrating if this person sucked at the job (e.g. why are you asking me questions that I wouldn't need to ask if I was in your role?).
Looking forward to an update
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Originally Posted by Mr.Money i hate people who sound like they smoke meth then pretend like they matter.
Originally Posted by ilovebacon
Does anyone have a pair of 25 pounds one-inch hole for sale at a reasonable price?
Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS
God, women in their early 30s are so baadd lmfao
Quick Update: they announced Jane's successor, who comes from another office, but also within the institution. I don't know this individual well, but they went with someone with more experience reviewing applications at that "higher" level than me, but I am definitely more familiar with the "applicants". You could argue which is more valuable, but this person should know their stuff. I'm still super disappointed, but hey, c'est la vie!
Side note: this feels like a breakup; suddenly I am motivated to improve myself!
__________________ Do Not Put Aftershave on Your Balls. -604CEFIRO Looks like I'm gonna have some hot sex again tonight...OOPS i got the 6 pack. that wont last me the night, I better go back and get the 24 pack! -Turbo E kinda off topic but obama is a dilf - miss_crayon Honest to fucking Christ the easiest way to get a married woman in the mood is clean the house and do the laundry.....I've been with the same girl almost 17 years, ask me how I know. - quasi
or its good you didn't say fuck you and give a one week notice like a pissy sissy.
stable income>feelings.
there is so much that needs to be paid for in this life.
I never understood that, or maybe I'm kind of naive. But I read about this so much online about people getting pissed off and storming off. I've been laid off many times before. Recession, departments and roles being slashed, etc. I always left with class. Even stayed until 5pm on my last day wrapping up things and saying goodbye to people. I didn't know I was "supposed to" throw a hissy fit and bolt it at 10am after being notified. lol...
The only time that I left early was when I was given a box and told to leave immediately with HR shadowing me when I was actually being terminated after 7 years of employment. I still walked by my manager's desk and shook his hand and said "thanks for the opportunity."
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Last edited by AzNightmare; 10-05-2022 at 09:23 AM.
I signed a new offer and will probably drop the news next week.
It's a small team and we just ordered new company jackets 2 weeks ago, and I was even asked to help brainstorm ideas for the design. lol...
I know I'm replaceable (aren't we all?), but like I said, it's a small team. At the moment, I'm the only guy that's specifically hired for that specific task/role/dept,etc.
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If you care for your workplace, then it’s normal to feel guilty for leaving.
But at the same time, I assume you’re leaving for more pay, more opportunities and/or personal growth, and your old boss & coworkers should support that. Shouldn’t sacrifice your own wants/needs for the sake of your workplace.
__________________ Do Not Put Aftershave on Your Balls. -604CEFIRO Looks like I'm gonna have some hot sex again tonight...OOPS i got the 6 pack. that wont last me the night, I better go back and get the 24 pack! -Turbo E kinda off topic but obama is a dilf - miss_crayon Honest to fucking Christ the easiest way to get a married woman in the mood is clean the house and do the laundry.....I've been with the same girl almost 17 years, ask me how I know. - quasi
I signed a new offer and will probably drop the news next week.
It's a small team and we just ordered new company jackets 2 weeks ago, and I was even asked to help brainstorm ideas for the design. lol...
I know I'm replaceable (aren't we all?), but like I said, it's a small team. At the moment, I'm the only guy that's specifically hired for that specific task/role/dept,etc.
ive quit many many jobs, and ive never felt guilty for the company. I only felt bad for the coworkers i forged friendships with and how it impacts them. The one thing i learned from all that quitting is try not to burn any bridges on your way out even if the bosses were complete douchebags.
The one thing i learned from all that quitting is try not to burn any bridges on your way out even if the bosses were complete douchebags.
Unless the job category will not impact your future
I worked at a very poor restaurant for 6 months, San Remo Pizza in poco 10 years ago.
The owners are the definition of garbage. If your shift is 4pm-11pm, but the last pizza delivery is at 10:50pm, and you come back at 11:20 from it, they would not pay any of their drivers for the 20 minutes. Making up whatever excuse they like
If you showed up late, by a minute, the senile old hag would yell at you and jip off 15 minutes pay.
The servers literally got yelled at for making mistakes.
If the owners see food dropped on the ground at back of house, they tell the staff to pick it up and serve it
Anyways, I decided to quit on a Friday night as soon as I showed up, I walked up to the till, took the timesheet card, right infront of the owner, and took a picture of it, then I said I quit.
He asked me why I'm taking a picture, I responded something alone the lines of "because this restaurant is the definition of fraud, and you are likely to rip me off on my pay, I now have proof of what i worked."
Sure enough he responded "I would never do that" I rolled my eyes and walked out
As I walked out through the kitchen, a few jaws were on the floor, a few others followed my move that week
If this was a specialized trade / industry, where word could get around, maybe he would just have 4 flat tires. Since it's a dinky pizza restaurant, opening my mouth felt great after being treated like garbage. The dropped jaws at the back of the house, was icing on the cake
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Originally Posted by Mr.Money i hate people who sound like they smoke meth then pretend like they matter.
Originally Posted by ilovebacon
Does anyone have a pair of 25 pounds one-inch hole for sale at a reasonable price?
Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS
God, women in their early 30s are so baadd lmfao
Unless the job category will not impact your future
I worked at a very poor restaurant for 6 months, San Remo Pizza in poco 10 years ago.
The owners are the definition of garbage. If your shift is 4pm-11pm, but the last pizza delivery is at 10:50pm, and you come back at 11:20 from it, they would not pay any of their drivers for the 20 minutes. Making up whatever excuse they like
If you showed up late, by a minute, the senile old hag would yell at you and jip off 15 minutes pay.
The servers literally got yelled at for making mistakes.
If the owners see food dropped on the ground at back of house, they tell the staff to pick it up and serve it
Anyways, I decided to quit on a Friday night as soon as I showed up, I walked up to the till, took the timesheet card, right infront of the owner, and took a picture of it, then I said I quit.
He asked me why I'm taking a picture, I responded something alone the lines of "because this restaurant is the definition of fraud, and you are likely to rip me off on my pay, I now have proof of what i worked."
Sure enough he responded "I would never do that" I rolled my eyes and walked out
As I walked out through the kitchen, a few jaws were on the floor, a few others followed my move that week
If this was a specialized trade / industry, where word could get around, maybe he would just have 4 flat tires. Since it's a dinky pizza restaurant, opening my mouth felt great after being treated like garbage. The dropped jaws at the back of the house, was icing on the cake
I'll never forget my friend telling me of his brother quitting his shitty Mcdelivery job. I'm not sure if he was having a bad day or what but they were doing a BBQ in the back of the shop for lunch and he gave the BBQ a Hulk Hogan front kick and knocked it over, threw the middle fingers in the air and was like fuck you guys I'm out of here. I think it's safe to say he didn't use them as a reference.
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