2025 Formula 1 Thread

[smoothie.]

What is the point of track limits if you can just drive all over the track?!

F1 is a joke.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by smoothie.

What is the point of track limits if you can just drive all over the track?!

F1 is a joke.

One of the few reasons why I don't follow F1. I know it's an unpopular reason I but view this as "bad racing." Granted, my bias comes from driver education where you just don't do that, and if you do, it's because you made a mistake or got overly confident. The risk is higher where if you crash your car, that's on you. For these F1 drivers (or most drivers, anyway) they crash a car, their sponsor just buys them a new one. In other race series like WEC or IMSA, driving all over the place has penalties that can cost you an entire race, or make the difference between winning and losing. How this is allowed in F1 is laughable.

[snowball]

I find it ridiculous you can run off the track and return back to your original position without penalty even if was your own error.

You make an error and lose 10 spots because it was your mistake? That's racing! Deal with it.

[sonick]

Not sure if y'all familiar with Chicken Shop Date but the host of that has been doing a series of interviews with F1 drivers and its pretty amusing: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...OLdjnO5tu3tEBV

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by sonick

Not sure if y'all familiar with Chicken Shop Date but the host of that has been doing a series of interviews with F1 drivers and its pretty amusing: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...OLdjnO5tu3tEBV

Badhobz meeting women at local chicken shops could be an awesome idea.

[dark0821]

holy fuck what a race.... i dunno... i would NOT have pitted for new.softs at the end....

[supafamous]

Cracker of a race - it was pretty hard to keep track of all the different strategies and action. Brilliant race by Verstappen, I don't like him much but he is driving incredibly well right now - so well that he is raising so many doubts about the quality of Norris and Piastri.

[headhunt3r]

Diver quality isn't a zero sum game. Lando has matured a lot this year. I'm not a big Max fan either but it's hard to deny that he's a beast.

[HonestTea]

They should race in Brazil for all 20 rounds lol

[Great68]

The thing that proves Verstappen is just a beast is the fact that he's in a close 3rd in the championship despite essentially having ZERO support from his teammate(s) all year.
The ability to have a teammate following closely for strategy calls is huge.
If Red Bull had a second driver that could at least keep within a position or two of Max all year, this would have been a very different championship.

[The Producer]

Originally Posted by Great68

If Red Bull had a second driver that could at least keep within a position or two of Max all year, this would have been a very different championship.

who would that be?

i don't think there's anybody on the planet besides Max that can pedal RB21

[sonick]

Originally Posted by The Producer

who would that be?

i don't think there's anybody on the planet besides Max that can pedal RB21

Franz Hermann

[dark0821]

I was trying super hard not to comment, but HOLY EFFF WTF IS WRONG WITH Elkann, he should be the one STFU....

REALLY BRO, REALLY !!!!

AFTER LIKE MULTIPLE YEARS @ FERRARI, YOU BLAME THE FUCKING DRIVERS FOR LACK OF A TITLE?!

Lecler and Hamilton dont deserve this.... you gave them a piece of shit, its a miracle that Lecler can compete in this trash... fuck...

And even when the car and driver somehow in a miracle gets it right... the strategy on the pit wall is just completely baffling...

never forget 2022 Monaco lolol... but just the constant bad calls and weird calls that cost Lecler positions...

ok... end rant

[HonestTea]

Elkann is trash, that's why the last WDC is still Kimi Raikonen lol

[Great68]

Originally Posted by The Producer

who would that be?

i don't think there's anybody on the planet besides Max that can pedal RB21

That's a good question. If anything that even points out his skills even more. Without him, Red Bull would probably be behind Williams in the Championship.

In F1 there's always this debate of "Is it the driver or is it the car". I think when it's mostly the car, you see both of a teams' drivers very close to each other. In Max's case it's clearly the driver.

[Vancouver240sx]

I think as with era's of domination in the sport, its a combination of things. RB has designed a car which is REALLY fast, but it must be driven in a very specific style and has a VERY small window. Max is able to drive the car in that style better than anyone, which could be due to his specific driving style OR he's phenomenal at adapting (I believe the later). His ability then pushes the design further down that path.

We saw Vettel dominate with the blown diffuser cars, but he wasn't able to show the same dominance later with rule changes. Which highlights the impressive careers of drivers like Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, and Verstappen.

Rich

[blkgsr]

RB designs the car to suit Max....every failed 2nd driver has said this.


Checo was the only one able to drive the car anywhere near to Max

[Vancouver240sx]

Danny was pretty damn close as well.

Of course they favor Max's input over the other drivers, he's fastest AND can make it work. When they put a new upgrade on the car which makes window of grip smaller and Max has the ability to extract a tenth out of it, it stays on the car.

That isn't RB building the car to suit Max. If the 2nd driver is struggling I'm sure they try to mitigate their issue but the design path will be dictated by the faster driver.

Rich

[Great68]

You know if you look back at Vettel's championships, I'd say he only "dominated" two of them. The other two he barely squeaked a win, by 3 and 4 points...

Webber managed to hang pretty close, except for 2012 where he was 6th, where Red Bull not the best car that year, that would have been the Ferrari. Which kind of proves the point that best and truly fastest cars allow both drivers to drive the fastest.

There was an interview with one of the teams' engineers that I read a while back. They basically debunked this idea that they design the car around one driver's driving style. They said they design the car to be the fastest, period.

I think this year's Red Bull is compromised in some way that Max is able to compensate and drive around, rather than it was designed solely for his driving style.

[blkgsr]

true i forgot about danny ric but still checo had better results

as for designing the "fastest car" not to one drivers style, watch/read interviews with albon and gasly etc. they all say max likes a certain from end(i believe "knife edge" was the term used) that makes the car very unstable unless it's your style and you like it hence why they struggled so much as they may prefer a more balanced car

[Vancouver240sx]

Yes the front end of the RB is 'telepathic', which Max can handle. RB is able to give the front end a LOT of front grip producing faster lap times. Other drivers are not able to handle that balance of the car, due to window of grip being spikier and smaller, a window max can drive within. (If you listen to Max and Lewis talk about driving they actually chase rear grip first, but that is a different discussion)

If RB was to roll out a development to the car which saw Yuki throw it on poll and win a race with Max being 10th, they would keep that change and expect max to figure it out. It isn't a driver thing, its about what makes the fastest car.

Rich

Ps. Danny was much faster in the same car to Max than Checo
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...ull-team-mates

[blkgsr]

that link is comparing 2016-18 max to danny (3 years into F1) not current 2025 4 time world champion max vs anyone one of his partners since danny.

hardly a comparison even to himself

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Great68

There was an interview with one of the teams' engineers that I read a while back. They basically debunked this idea that they design the car around one driver's driving style. They said they design the car to be the fastest, period.

I think this year's Red Bull is compromised in some way that Max is able to compensate and drive around, rather than it was designed solely for his driving style.

Yeah, it's more about "pain" tolerance - ie, they can make a car theoretically faster but it gets harder and harder to drive as that happens and some drivers just can't live with that difficulty. It seems this generation of car has a lot of diva like behaviours - the RB is the worst but even the McLaren, Ferrari, and Mercedes have very peaky behaviours from one track to the next.

I've not been a fan of this generation of cars - they seem to have too narrow an operating window for the different driving styles that are out there so we're not really seeing great head to head competition.

[Eff-1]

It's a chicken or the egg argument.

It comes down to this: Max's prefererence for how the car is setup is basically unique to him, and only him. Otherwise I think we'd see more parity in the RB garage between the two drivers.

When Max is given a car that suits his style, he's a beast.

Therefore, if you're RB, you go with the hot hand. The twist here is because Max's driving style is an anomaly, the cost of catering to him is that you're leaving your second driver on an island.

RB will continue to churn through drivers until someone comes along who can handle the car to at least compete for podiums. Checo was ALMOST that guy, but he too fell victim to the fact the team revolves around Max and Max only.

If Max moves to another team, they'll ultimately do the same. Build the car exclusively for his driving style, and good luck to the other driver.

If RB was to roll out a development to the car which saw Yuki throw it on poll and win a race with Max being 10th, they would keep that change and expect max to figure it out. It isn't a driver thing, its about what makes the fastest car.

No way. Max is a 4-time champion. If RB added something to the car and Yuki gets pole and Max gets 10th, RB would FOR SURE cater to what Max wants, and if that means doing something that makes Max better and Yuki worse, that's what they'd do.

[pastarocket]

Verstappen wins the Vegas GP again.

He took advantage of one mistake from Norris.


Terry Crews drove a pink Cadillac convertible as
the chauffeur for Verstappen, Norris, and Russell after the race.












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