Pick up truck thoughts?

[rymack]

So I’ve been planning on getting a 1/2 ton pickup truck for a while. Looking at new , possibly a lease but not 100% sure on either parts of that statement.

If I go new I’m deciding between a F150 and a Tundra. Both have there pluses and minuses . From what I can gather I’d say the F150 is a better overall vehicle while the tundra may hold its value better. I also have a family member working at Toyota so I can get services for cost.

I’m not in trades but do own a house and my own business so will get regular use for this . Strictly speaking I don’t need a truck as I am able to get by without one but regardless on balance I think that’s the way we are leaning.

I am considering a lightning ( just to throw a curveball in here ) as well but my only hesitation is we are thinking about a trailer or possibly a RV in the next year ir so. A trailer doesn’t really work with a lightning but I could get a RV /motor home ( real nice Clark!) so that it wouldn’t matter . I think however a electric pickup handles 90 percent of what I want the truck to do day to day.

So for those that have trucks any thoughts on the above scenarios? Would you even go new ? Have also considered a used F150

[noclue]

Always F150, dont bother with lightning. The aluminium body (no rust, more payload) and flat floor is reason enough.
Engines you are fine with either ecoboost or the V8, powerboost is cool but have some issues.
When ford pushes the employee pricing in july-sept the prices are almost similar as buying used so buy new.
I've driven F150/F350 through multiple northern alberta -40C winters and it was reliable as a tank.

The only pluses for the tundra were reliability (no more with the turbo engines) and that the rear window can go down.

[Traum]

FWIW, a Lightning with the larger extended range battery and max tow package is capable of towing an open trailer with a race car on it for 220km+ with some minor caveats. Or it can tow an enclosed trailer with a race car in it for at least 160km+, if not more. So if your circumstances fit into the what the EV truck is capable of delivering, it can certainly work.

That said, I am not necessarily recommending a Lightning over other 1/2 ton trucks.

Another option that might be easier to swallow is the Maverick. If you don't tow, I'd guess that you can probably do 80 - 90% of the things that a proper half ton truck could do. The tow package allows you to tow up to 4000 lbs with it, but at that point, an actual half ton truck might just make more sense.

[AstulzerRZD]

A few cents on pickups that often goes unmentioned, having recently shopped and bought.

1) Maverick is not that cheap one you add equipment and pay for gas, even on the hybrid.
If you drive enough, the Lightning ends up cheaper in a jiffy since it’s $4/100km.

2) Lightning drives a LOT smoother than standard F150 - independent rear suspension and lower center of gravity helps a lot.

3) Silverado EV looks great on paper but falls short - SuperCruise doens’t work in exit lanes, the seats are super thin, the door armrests narrow, impossible to get a topper for, charges like shit with AC on.

4) RAM tungsten interior is nice but honestly not nearly as nice as a Rivian. Rivian drives like a sports car with better steering feel than a 911 GTS. I mention these two together because they have incredibly usable interiors with space to store laptop, all adventure gear, keep it charged,etc.

5) Lightning ER, last time I checked, doesn’t qualify for a lot of incentives - even the Medium Heavy duty incentives.

6) Tundra is fucking terrible, even the seat bases are cracking in a year or two. Unreliability extends past the engine on this POS. Gas bill is terrible too.

In today’s world I really don’t see a scenario where I don’t buy an EV truck in BC.
Tesla supercharger rates at 30c/kwh mean even towing is $13/100km instead of $50 with a 5.0 F150.

- Interior? Rivian > RAM
- Towing? Silverado EV with 400km towing range and crazy recharge
- Overall usability? Lightning

[noclue]

An electric truck will limit him when it comes to either an RV trailer or a camper. Or if he wants to go overlanding.
He needs a gas truck with a 136L tank, and live axles.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah for recreational long hauling driving, EV truck won’t do it unless you’re willing to trade time for money.

That said, it’s not impossible even with towing.
Rented Silverado 4WT EV in Oregon, we got 350km highway range towing a camper and 10c/kwh supercharging in Oregon really made up for the stops.
$4/100km lmaooo

We still have a max payload package F150 5.0 8’ for very specific use cases

[RabidRat]

Is renting a truck for the particularly long trailer / RV excursions an option?

If that's ok, then the huge gas savings for mostly around-town use of a truck is going to be really gratifying w/ the Lightning. Just never thinking about gas again, simply plugging it in, in your garage every couple days.

[rymack]

Hmm tbh never considered that. Would probably solve most of what I wanted to do. I guess pick up rentals with hitches are common?

Can’t imagine actually towing a trailer more than say to Chilliwack/cultus on an electric.

It would mean upgrading panel in my house a year or two before planned but it is what it is. I guess I’d need to look at cost of ownership gas vs electric to see if it actually makes sense.
One thing I find annoying w the lightning is no sunroof until lariat trim. It’s minor send I’ll get use to it but I actually quite like the light from the panoramic moon roof.

Wonder how well the lightning sell with out the rebates ? Maybe a opp for a discount?

[AstulzerRZD]

Kind of.

Yes, every pickup midsize and above in a rental fleet has a hitch.
By the book, you need to rent with the "truck" rental side for towing to be allowed under the rental agreement.
This matters because in the event of an accident, both the CDW you buy from them/credit card/your personal insurance doesn't cover claims where you're operating the vehicle against the rental agreement.

That said, I didn't do this. They gave me a truck in personal truck rental (2500 class was super cheap with Hertz) and I towed with it lmao.
In Vancouver, Enterprise Truck Rental has F350 6.7 Diesels for like $300 for the week.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by rymack

It would mean upgrading panel in my house a year or two before planned but it is what it is. I guess I’d need to look at cost of ownership gas vs electric to see if it actually makes sense.

Wonder how well the lightning sell with out the rebates ? Maybe a opp for a discount?

1) We have 100A panel and largely electric heat; 25+ Lightning only charges at 48A so we installed a load balancer device called DCC9/BlackBox EMS (which BC hydro gives a rebate on).

2) Cost of ownership: 20kwh/100km around town, 45kwh/100km towing; 15c/kwh at home so $3/100km or $5.5/100km.

3) Without rebates, buy from an Alberta dealer who was forced to sell them to get F250/350. Margin between MRSP and Invoice is tiny on Lightning so you need to find a dealer willing to really get rid of one ... or last year's model.

[Traum]

Another benefit with EV trucks is -- I'm more thinking Lightning here than Silverado EV because I don't know Silverado EVs -- you basically have a supersized portable battery on-the-go. If you go camping (assuming that you have a place to charge the truck up before you camp), the truck can power all your electrical needs for quite a while. No gasoline generators needed, and the convenience is really quite something.

[JDMDreams]

I heard they can't sell these so maybe deals to be had

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Traum

Another benefit with EV trucks is -- I'm more thinking Lightning here than Silverado EV because I don't know Silverado EVs -- you basically have a supersized portable battery on-the-go. If you go camping (assuming that you have a place to charge the truck up before you camp), the truck can power all your electrical needs for quite a while. No gasoline generators needed, and the convenience is really quite something.

Silverado generally better since they have 7.2kW inverter standard, 10kW optional. The removable midgate also makes it super easy to setup an in bed mattress.

Most Lightning are only optioned with 2.4kW inverter, very rare to see the 7.2kW one optioned.

Rivian only offers 120V outlets, no 240V.

[noclue]

My coworker had a lightning and it took him 8hrs to tow his rv trailer to osoyoos. Range gets killed towing a trailer as is, then combine it with climbing a mountain and decoupling the trailer to charge it cause it doesnt fit. Traded it in for a powerboost and is very happy with it especially with the built in 7.2kw generator.

[rymack]

We have 100A panel and largely electric heat; 25+ Lightning only charges at 48A so we installed a load balancer device called DCC9/BlackBox EMS (which BC hydro gives a rebate on).

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We are already maxed. Ac , suite , two electric stoves , two dryers , Hot tub etc.

Without rebates, buy from an Alberta dealer who was forced to sell them to get F250/350. Margin between MRSP and Invoice is tiny on Lightning so you need to find a dealer willing to really get rid of one ... or last year's model.

I assume same may hold true for Northern BC etc but yah its a idea. We have been thinking of leasing this but could also look at purchasing i suppose.

As for towing to somewhere like osoyoos thats always been my hesitation but the idea of renting a pickup that is diesel/gas for anything past the fraser valley or select spots on the island ( rathtrevor etc) probably solves that ( albeit inconvenient ).

Interestingly enough all the "true cost to own" calculators say the Lightning is costlier over 5 years than a gas version. I have to assume that's based on american gas/electric pricing . But even then its not going to be a slam dunk.

[AstulzerRZD]

Gotcha - that’s a bit tough because the battery doesn’t precondition on L1 charging (though the cabin will). Otherwise, you’d be recharging the 17kwh per night or 70kmh on standard outlet.

Northern BC defs does not have enough charger coverage for towing.

Cost to run wise, math depends on how you use it. Math for us was the Lightning is a free truck compared to our gas usage.

I get 17-23/100km in a 8ft bed, max payload 5.0. $34/100km or $50/100km towing
That’s like 8-900 a month we’re saving.

Compared to Americans the fast charging in PNW and Vancouver is incredibly cheap.
10-25c/kwh instead of like 64.

Better ride quality, keepimg the truck warm/cool during errands off battery & running a cooler for fresh towels and drinks/food at job site was just icing on the cake.

[Hondaracer]

F150 with the Coyote imo

The newer lariat interiors are very nice, I’ve always been a ford person but I think the newer gens the fords are definitely a step ahead in most aspects

[dark0821]

I only have experience with the F-550 diesel

and its been .... super reliable... even with 4.5 tonnes of cargo in the bed consistently on and off for the past 4 years.... approaching 100K KM now...

=D

[rymack]

http://https://www.islandford.ca/veh...sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by rymack

http://https://www.islandford.ca/veh...sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

5k is a government discount if it’s being registered to a business.
13k is largely Island Ford and using outside finance (~5.99%)

That specific stock number is sold but they have exact truck with diff stock #.
Let me know if you want my sales guy’s name at Island Ford, super easy to work with.

[rymack]

Yah if you could shoot me that contact that would be great.

[AstulzerRZD]

DM’d - use the 250 number I also sent you.
If you don’t see the DM, call the main line, Name is Carson

[Dbone]

Originally Posted by rymack

http://https://www.islandford.ca/veh...sale_class=new

Anyone ever deal w Island ford? Seems like a unrealistic
Discount .

Edit: Sorry, this was Island GM.. not Ford. I had to look it up after I rage typed this out.

They are assholes. A few years ago I went down to look at a Focus ST they "had". I called end of day to check it was still for sale. They told me it was and I could see it the next day, then when I arrived first thing the next day they had "just sold it" but I could look at the other non-ST Focus they had.

Jerks.

[nabs]

I've driven quite a few different pickup trucks, and I can confidently say that if I was to get one, it would be an F-150 AWD

[Badhobz]

theres a reason why its the number 1 selling truck across north america. you cant beat the f150 when it comes to value. you get a lot for your money