Roma Replacement... Ferrari Amalfi

[Badhobz]

Well fine if they tuned the chassis but it’s still just a VW parts bin special. The soul of the car, the engine, is the same as my hitlerbox that’s half the price.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah 911 pricing is nuts & Ferraris are now on discount.
Not much incentive to stay with Porsche unless you really intend to daily it.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Well fine if they tuned the chassis but it’s still just a VW parts bin special. The soul of the car, the engine, is the same as my hitlerbox that’s half the price.

Idk, I finally drive Mk8 and thought it was kinda shite.
$500 lease is great but it’s loud, rough, not that dynamic, and controls are pretty doggy.

Sure, Base Macan isn’t a spring chicken but it’s a pretty big siffeeence in end result.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Idk, I finally drive Mk8 and thought it was kinda shite.

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver.

[Badhobz]

all these new cars are crap. its just how much you can stomach for the price you are paying. 500 bucks for hitlerbox is cheap compared to the 1500 they want for a lousy macan. is it 3x better than the hitlerbox? fuck off. once again pig nose m3 takes the cake here for 1600 a month, zero down, and with a manual transmission

[bcrdukes]

I'm waiting for you to get the M3 so I can follow suit.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver.

They’re smoking and their criteria is different.

Their criteria is: if I whip this down Spanish banks or up the sea to Sky at like 50kmh over speed limit does it feel natural and eager.

Their criteria is not: how is the weight transfer, liftoff oversteer on Cup 2s.

I’d put a Macan S in the rough range of a C43/S5.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

This is where people will say the Macan handles very nicely and daily drives as good as a 911. I don't know if they are smoking crack or fell on their head. I've seen Macans on the track haul serious ass, but you have to wonder then, is the driver driving the car, or is the car driving the driver.

Equipped with the right tires, PTV to fight under steer and PASM/Air Suspension to fight body roll? It’s brilliant.

Either way, it can perform better while riding softer than GLC43/63, X3MComp and more engaging than C43/S5.

[bcrdukes]

At the end, it's just a GTI, right?

[EvoFire]

I mean, ultimately as the driver, are you capable enough to hustle a 4500lb SUV through the twisties? I can do it in my 5800lb X5 with a car full of people and luggage with a bike rack. The vehicle will deal with it with it's 275F and 315R tires. Most modern German SUVs will easily do 50 over on the highway in North America.

[noclue]

My favorite topic, porsche bashing much to bcrdukes dismay.

I struggle to see the value proposition of the cayenne compared to the X5. Interior room is smaller, you get a shitty VW V6 unless you splurge for the V8, you have to pay for options to get to the standard equipment of the X5 with the A+ B58 inline 6. And more expensive in price and service cost.

“But it handles better, like a porsche!” It’s an SUV not a track car.
“It’s quality german engineering” it’s made in slovakia former USSR state comrade (Yes im aware the X5 is made by bob in south carolina)

Either you buy the cayenne for the porsche badge snobbery or to get an GT3 allocation.

[AstulzerRZD]

Ok but the X5 is really sloppy … even an Escalade has sharper steering and body control.
Yes the X5 has higher capability but imo it shouldn’t drive as soggy as it does.

You’d really have to get M50 with the active sway bars and air suspension.

[Badhobz]

Dukes HATES suvs in general so im sure you can bash away at these macans and cayennes all you want.

Frankly the only reason i was looking at a macan was for the badge. Spy balloon is sick of these ultra reliable lexusususus and i think its time for her to pretend to enjoy german chassis dynamics when in reality its just a nice boost in badge whoring.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Ok but the X5 is really sloppy … even an Escalade has sharper steering and body control.

Vague off center steering, a lotta body lean.
You’d really have to get M50 with the active sway and roll bars.

WHAT?!? youre full of shit. I drove a X5 last year and i thought it was fine. I drove Red's X5M and that thing was FUCKING INSANE.

no way the base one cant out-handle an Escalade bro. you smoking something strong.

[AstulzerRZD]

Of course the M is better and the 40i has higher limits.

I did not say outhandle, I said Escalade has better steering & body control than a 40i.
Before you add all sorts of sway bar, air suspension wizardry; is the core product satisfying to steer and turn?

Also
capability != feel/body control
capability is geometry, mass, mechanical grip; can capture in a single number.

Handling feel and body control is transient & much harder to measure;
not 1 number, programs have like 100 different targets to optimize for.

[Badhobz]

Me too stupid to understand that mumbo jumbo above. But honestly you give me a base x5 with the b58 (mandatory) vs a lame ass cayenne and I’ll take the bimmer every time. For the seats alone. BMW seats are excellent. Porsche can eat a dick with their options and gay ass seats.

[AstulzerRZD]

40i drives sloppy as fuck even if it’s faster and turns better.
u turn the wheel and there is no added weight. Rolls worse than Escalade. B58 lags at part throttle.

Don’t like Cayenne either.

You’d probably find me in an Escalade V or Lucid Gravity if I had to haul annoying kids around

[Badhobz]

I gotta try that gravity. It looks insane. It’s a fucking mini van that can kill Hyper cars.

[AstulzerRZD]

Drives like lifted E39, very sharp.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by noclue

My favorite topic, porsche bashing much to bcrdukes dismay.

Fuck Porsche! I am not loyal to any brand. As I said before, I find them very frustrating to deal with as a customer. Any car that is older than rolling off the dealership lot, you are treated like a second class refugee. They have some of the worst after care customer service and have lost their way in terms of understanding customer lifetime value.

I will continue to drive my Boxster until I blow my engine or transmission, or I bin it into the wall at Turn 8 at Mosport and write it off. And while most people on here will cringe, I will over rev my motor on track days and peg the DME to trigger the overrev limiter. I’ve exceeded the DME’s overrev limits and its sits at 65,535 and it is stuck there, so suck it, Porsche fan boys.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Fuck Porsche! I am not loyal to any brand. As I said before, I find them very frustrating to deal with as a customer. Any car that is older than rolling off the dealership lot, you are treated like a second class refugee. They have some of the worst after care customer service and have lost their way in terms of understanding customer lifetime value.

I'm surprised to hear about the poor customer service. At least with the dealerships here in Vancouver and Richmond, they treat their customers very well -- it's just that in doing so, they charge you an arm and a leg for any work done on the cars.

[JDMDreams]

So it's better to buy a Maserati at least the doors go up

[underscore]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

is the core product satisfying to steer and turn?

imo an SUV can never be satisfying to steer and turn because you sit so high up. in which case you may as well just be comfortable, and all the "sporty" SUV stuff added to try to make it handle better so they can pretend it's fun to drive just makes the ride worse.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

B58 lags at part throttle.

In all B58 applications? Or just the X5?

I wonder why that is. Maybe an emissions thing.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Traum

I'm surprised to hear about the poor customer service. At least with the dealerships here in Vancouver and Richmond, they treat their customers very well -- it's just that in doing so, they charge you an arm and a leg for any work done on the cars.

I find that as long as you buy your car from a specific dealer (doesn't matter which one) continue going back to them for service, say yes to everything they ask you to do, buy a $10,000 eBike, $9000 Porsche Design watch, and endless lifestyle wares, yes, they will be nice to you.

The moment you are out of warranty and you realize, "Oh, I actually didn't need this..." or you need parts for a DIY, and stop playing their games, you are dead to them.

Vancouver's dealership options are limited and the market is saturated. You have three in the GVRD - Porsche Centre Vancouver, Richmond, and Langley. There's Victoria and Kelowna but they are out of territory. Then you have a small handful of independent shops. Some are good, some are bad, and some just have no idea what they are doing.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

In all B58 applications? Or just the X5?

I wonder why that is. Maybe an emissions thing.

More X5/6 40i I’ve driven with mild hybrid - I wonder if they wait till the mild hybrid torque boost runs out before downshifting and spooling. Earlier M340i and such feel fine.

It’s usually in highway cruising then passing, it’s pretty sleepy. The Durango/Escalade drop a couple gears and the V8 gets to work.