[terkan]

fyi, shaw is changing their bandwidth limit on internet, and if you are going over, they'll no longer suspend you, but they'll give you a warning letter and then start charging you for the over usage.

Package Included Monthly Usage
High Speed Lite 15 GB/month
High Speed 60 GB/month
High Speed Extreme 100 GB/month
High Speed Warp 175 GB/month
High Speed Nitro 350 GB/month
Gigabit Service (Fibre to the Home) 1024 GB/month (1 Terabyte)

Customers who receive notice of exceeding their included Internet usage, have the following options:

• Lower their usage to within the included amount for their current Internet package
(this includes identifying causes of high usage and securing wireless networks)
• Increase to a higher Internet package
(Lite -> High, High Speed -> Extreme)
• Pay $2 (if you have LS, Value Bundle or HS) or $1 (for all other Internet service levels) per GB only if and when included usage is exceeded
• Add Data Packs to increase their monthly included usage to a custom amount

Data Packs:

Along with Internet Usage Billing, we are introducing Internet Data Packs to allow customers to increase their monthly included usage to a custom amount.

• Internet Data Packs are:
$5 for 10 GB (CBS: DATA1),
$20 for 60 GB (CBS: DATA2),
$50 for 250 GB (CBS: DATA3)

[Conan O'Brien Sex Video]

thanks for the info. how did you find out about this?

do you know if there is a way to find out your actual usage per month? i tried looking around secure.shaw.ca but couldn't find anything. it would be really nice to know.

[gilly]

^same here. Is it possible to find out how much bandwidth usage I am currently using per month?

[TOPEC]

Um yeh it is inside secure.shaw.ca website. I just checked 2 days ago. Its right there on the first page right after u logged in.

Its night to pay a bit more if we go over instead of getting suspenede. Kinda stupid to suspend people.
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[Conan O'Brien Sex Video]

TOPEC... where abouts?? This is what I see:


Account Number Account Name Balance
SHAW ACCOUNT $58.18
Thank you for choosing to register with Shaw and Welcome to our Online Customer Care Services.
You are entering Shaw's Online Customer Care transactional area. When you are finished please select 'Log Out' from the above menu to close your secure session.

Current Balance
The balance of your account (, SHAW ACCOUNT) as of December 15, 2010 4:35:05 PM MST is $58.18. Pay Per View, Video on Demand or Payments made within the last 48 hours may not be reflected in the balance above.
Make a Payment Online with your Credit Card

My Shaw Internet Services
Shaw's Internet Services
Manage your Shaw Internet Member Services.
Create and manage your email and webspace.

Add Services
Add Digital Services
Add Pay TV Channels and IP Addresses.
Shaw On Demand
Order Shaw On Demand
Manage Shaw On Demand
Watch the movies you want, when you want to watch them.

My Billing Options
View My Bill
View My Account History
Pay My Bill
Payment Plan Options
Shaw eBill Notification
All the current options for your Shaw Bill.
Pay from the convenience of your own home.


My Customer Account Profile
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Manage your Online Customer Care Profile.

[!MiKrofT]

Thing is my account never shows the right amount of usage. Always way under.
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[tiger_handheld]

checked my secure.shaw page. i dont see the amount of bandwidth i use.

[jackmeister]

quick question:

So which bandwidth amount would be the correct one, whatever shows up on the secure.shaw.ca website or whatever shows up on the Shaw computers?

Why I ask is that I run my computer on at night to upload stuff but when I see the secure.shaw.ca website, it is much lower than the actual transfers.

[TOPEC]

TOPEC... where abouts?? This is what I see:


whoops sorry my bad, seems like they removed it for some reason.
i thought i saw it 2 days ago when i took a quick glance.

ok did a quick google search, and from a thread back in 2005, people reported that only those who had gone over the bandwidth limit before get the option to check their bandwidth online. Or u can call shaw and ask them to active that feature so u can monitor it urself.

[MikeyStyle]

thanks for the info. how did you find out about this?
all staff have been informed of the upcoming changes to the internet usage

do you know if there is a way to find out your actual usage per month? i tried looking around secure.shaw.ca but couldn't find anything. it would be really nice to know.
^same here. Is it possible to find out how much bandwidth usage I am currently using per month?
checked my secure.shaw page. i dont see the amount of bandwidth i use.
you might be able to view your current usage on the online customer care (https://secure.shaw.ca/). if you're not able to view it, you can call in and request to have it added onto your account

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4134/occe.jpg


Thing is my account never shows the right amount of usage. Always way under.
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yeah, that was the case before.. they're trying to work on that so it shows correctly for staff/customers

quick question:

So which bandwidth amount would be the correct one, whatever shows up on the secure.shaw.ca website or whatever shows up on the Shaw computers?

Why I ask is that I run my computer on at night to upload stuff but when I see the secure.shaw.ca website, it is much lower than the actual transfers.
they're trying to synchronize both so that they're the same whether you call in or check online

[Zap]

Shaw has a pilot program going on in Edmonton, and soon moving to Vancouver in the new year. Dslreports.com forum has a huge thread of 45,000 visits/720 posts on this topic, with a representitive from shaw "ShawJames" trying to answer question but has been proven to be lieing to every member.

Link: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24949041-Shaw-charging-for-extra-bandwidth.

Also Councillor Andrea Reimer from Vancouver put a motion to get the CRTC to reverse it's decision on metered billing, it passed with 97% yesterday at city hall. Lots of consumers are cancelling their accounts with Shaw, and if they lower their tiers more, I suspect alot more with be cancelling.

Links: http://openmedia.ca/news/city-vancouver-calls-out-crtc-behalf-its-residents
http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+city+council+takes+stand+against+Interne t+metering/3989389/story.html

[asdfpic]

Aside from tracking usage on the shaw site, do you guys have any program recommendations to check bandwidth usage?

i'm just using this network meter desktop gadget from windows 7

[StylinRed]

wtf.... how am i gonna download all those 50gb files... -_-

[saiko]

:o together is amazing.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Doesn't matter 90% of RS will bitch and complain but in the end we will do nothing.

If SHAW do start charging bandwidth I am just going to switch to TELUS or DSL

[Manic!]

Someone needs to make a program that measures internet bandwidth and if the customer is under there limit, connects to a torrent to max out there bandwidth just to piss Shaw off.

People should be allowed to bank there bandwidth. So if you only you 40 gigs one month the 20 gigs left over should role to the next month.

[willystyle]

^ That won't happen.

Some router firmwares have a bandwidth monitor feature built-in, check and see if you have it. This is the most effective way to monitor all the bandwidth that's going IN/OUT.

Installing bandwidth monitor software is useless as it can only monitor bandwidth from the computer that's installed on, it can't monitor other running devices on the network.

[Zap]

Yes confirmed, now in Vancouver BC..

Shaw has now lowered all bandwidth caps for every internet package they sell by 30% except one, and then will start to charge for overuse, while keeping the price the same. Enjoy a larger bill no matter what account type you have!!!! a total gouge of consumers. Pretty SLEAZY if you ask me.

Old packages Shaw offered as of Dec 15/2010

High Speed Lite 1Mbps/256k 13GB Cap $35.00
High-Speed 7.5 Mbps/512k 75GB Cap $47.00
High-Speed Extreme 15 Mbps/1Mbps 125GB Cap $57.00
High-Speed Warp 50 Mbps/3Mbps 250GB Cap $107.00
High-Speed Nitro 100Mbps/5MBps 500GB Cap $160.00

New packages Shaw offers as of Dec 16/2010

High Speed Lite 1Mbps/256k 15GB Cap $35.00___________ _/ 2.00 per GB when you go over monthly plan
High-Speed 7.5 Mbps/512k 60GB Cap $47.00_____________ / 2.00 per GB when you go over monthly plan
High-Speed Extreme 15 Mbps/1Mbps 100GB Cap $57.00___ / 1.00 per GB when you go over monthly plan
High-Speed Warp 50 Mbps/3Mbps 175GB Cap $107.00______/ 1.00 per GB when you go over monthly plan
High-Speed Nitro 100Mbps/5MBps 350GB Cap $160.00 /_____1.00 per GB when you go over monthly plan




Data packs: http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Internet/internetdatausage

New bandwidth caps: http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Internet/

[Zap]

@terkan, I'm curious where are you seeing the package for Gigabit service? It's still in trial as far as I know.

"Gigabit Service (Fibre to the Home) 1024 GB/month (1 Terabyte)"

[Presto]

Fuck Shaw. I went with Telus, a long time ago, after Shaw suspended me for going over the limit. Although, slower at the time, Telus never hassled me about bandwidth. I was doing 150GB+ a month. Now, I get blazing speeds with Optik, at less than half the price of Shaw Extreme. In conclusion: Fuck Shaw.

[saiko]

Fuck Shaw. I went with Telus, a long time ago, after Shaw suspended me for going over the limit. Although, slower at the time, Telus never hassled me about bandwidth. I was doing 150GB+ a month. Now, I get blazing speeds with Optik, at less than half the price of Shaw Extreme. In conclusion: Fuck Shaw.

Presto, did you have to sign up for a contract?

[Presto]

I'm not on contract. My contract was actually up when they upgraded me to Optik. I was going to cancel the TV service, but they gave me a better deal on the whole package. The pricing they gave me is good for a year.

[willystyle]

This is BS, we need more competition. Having Telus and Shaw as the only 2 major players in town just isn't right.

[asdfpic]

Fuck Shaw. I went with Telus, a long time ago, after Shaw suspended me for going over the limit. Although, slower at the time, Telus never hassled me about bandwidth. I was doing 150GB+ a month. Now, I get blazing speeds with Optik, at less than half the price of Shaw Extreme. In conclusion: Fuck Shaw.

hey hows optik speeds considering tv and internet is running off the same thing?
notice any slowing down when u r watching tv and internet same time?
any clue on average speed mb/s?

im considering switching over

right now if u sign 3 year contract bundle tv and internet u get free xbos and 3 year pvr rental for free. offer expires dec 31

[dangonay]

I think they should go with straight metered billing. No monthly fees, just a flat rate per GB.

Then us "normal" people would have low monthly bills while all the copyright infringing assholes downloading music, movies, games, porn and whatever would be paying through the nose.

[Zap]

This is BS, we need more competition. Having Telus and Shaw as the only 2 major players in town just isn't right.

If you live in Richmond or along the Canada line in a highrise, phone Rueben Moses from Novus, all you need is 15% of the units to sign up to get your building wired for Fiber. I've approached Novus for my building in Richmond, strata passed the proposal and now we need just need 30 accounts out of 200, easy with Shaw acting like they are showing such greed, and if I get all 200 to signed up, it should be a lose of revenue for Shaw of $20,000.00-$30,000.00 per month, based on $100-$150.00 per account.

[Zap]

I think they should go with straight metered billing. No monthly fees, just a flat rate per GB.

Then us "normal" people would have low monthly bills while all the copyright infringing assholes downloading music, movies, games, porn and whatever would be paying through the nose.


That would be like a cell service, which nobody wants. The future of broadband media is at stake, innovation, future technology, e-commerce, you name it. Canada is slipping on the World Ranks of Internet, based on speed, price, quality, innovation, Canada use to be in the top 10, now we are the 33rd spot and slipping, even Russia, Slovakia, Iceland and other almost third world countries have a better class rating then us.

http://www.speedtest.net/global.php#0

[Domani]

shaw finally caught on with the east, watch the profit soar after this is implemented

[woob]

Fuck. I'm on Extreme and I (just me, not including the rest of my family) have used 245.3GB in the past 31 days....

EDIT: found a large discussion thread on this topic at dslreports - http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24949041-Shaw-charging-for-extra-bandwidth.

[tgill]

What crooks, I love how just a year or two ago they raised the "cap" to 125GB for extreme and now have lowered it to 100GB.

Be sure to keep up on the issue at http://openmedia.ca/, because this will have massive implications on us all.

[dangonay]

Fuck. I'm on Extreme and I (just me, not including the rest of my family) have used 245.3GB in the past 31 days....
I'd like to know what you downloaded to get that much traffic in a single month.

because this will have massive implications on us all.
Masive implications on us all? Doesn't affect me or most people I know. I download lots of stuff (legally) and I never hit my bandwidth cap. This only has implications for crooks.

I think I deserve a refund from Shaw and Telus (I use both at home with a dual-wan router for load balancing & failsafe) since I never hit my limits. Why the hell should I pay the same as some asshole down the street who's DL'ing 10 times what I do? Basically I'm subsidizing his internet access by paying the same monthly fee as him.


I don't understand why people seem to think that they have the right to use more than what they pay for or get mad when an ISP wants to charge for going over bandwidth limits. If you're a consumer and you consume more than the person next door to you then you should pay more. Seems pretty damn simple to me.

[StylinRed]

just downloading content from netflix the PSN store buying games from Steam or the EA Store etc etc hits the cap if not surpasses it

why do you think the rest of the world has increased caps and speeds and lowered prices?? to support the 1990 internet user that just browses websites? no to support the 21st century user since everything has moved or is moving to a internet based system

what Shaw is doing is turning the clock back instead of where they should be moving it


we need competition we need a Wind Mobile/Mobilicity for the internet

[BlackZRoadster]

fuck telus optik

they aren't available in richmond

[striderblade]

Everything will be pretty much cloud base soon. And it will cost us more bandwidth than back in 1999. Shaw need to understand that technology is changing so is the internet. We got music stream, video chat, netflix, psn, xbox live, itune, etc etc. And if you have more than 1 member in the family that uses these service than is gonna add up. For me, i don't like these change at all. Since i share the net among the family, it doesn't benefit the consumer one bit with this feature. What the company need to do is keep the customer. Not put a cap in it and piss them off. I've been with shaw right at the very start ever since they introduce cable internet. And after this long period of times with shaw, I see or feel very little increased benefit gain. The best gain we got was the 5Mbps increase on the internet extreme. I wish novus is available in my area.

[sunny_j]

fuck telus optik

they aren't available in richmond

What area of Richmond ?
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[Mr.HappySilp]

I'd like to know what you downloaded to get that much traffic in a single month.


Masive implications on us all? Doesn't affect me or most people I know. I download lots of stuff (legally) and I never hit my bandwidth cap. This only has implications for crooks.

I think I deserve a refund from Shaw and Telus (I use both at home with a dual-wan router for load balancing & failsafe) since I never hit my limits. Why the hell should I pay the same as some asshole down the street who's DL'ing 10 times what I do? Basically I'm subsidizing his internet access by paying the same monthly fee as him.


I don't understand why people seem to think that they have the right to use more than what they pay for or get mad when an ISP wants to charge for going over bandwidth limits. If you're a consumer and you consume more than the person next door to you then you should pay more. Seems pretty damn simple to me.

Do you use NETFLIX, watch youtuve video, watch TV shows through programs like PBS, download games (wow update alone for the latest expansion alone over 4GB NOT TO mention all the other major patch they have up).

Please face reality. People are moving towards Digital TV. SHAW saw this and they know it will hurt their over price TV package. Instead of trying to improve their service they simply restrict the INTERENT so people have to stay with them for their crappy cable service.

Peter Bissonnette who runs SHAW personality said " The reason NETFLIX can offer their service at $8.99 is because they have no cost other than acquiring the content." That just made me LOL. First Netflix will need a very very good upstream provider to stream all the HD service to you, they will need huge server running to store and send the data to the upstream provider and to store their movies/TV shows, they will need a database to keep track of their customer...........

One of the reason why SHAW doing this now is becasue we all know maybe in the next few years more and more people will using the Internet for their TV content rather than through cable. So rather then trying to stop the issue in the future SHAW is stopping the whole thing now.

But honestly the CRTC is to blame for this as well. They allow bell to do this and they don't allow any non Canadian company to enter into the whole Communication market which created this whole mess. Not to mention SHAW and Rogers sing a contract in which SHAW will not operate in the eastern side of Canada while Rogers will not operate in Western side. Guess what lol. SHAW bought out Mountain cable which is in the Eastern side and Rogers went to court to sue them them. The Better Business Barue got invole and pretty say what ROGERS and SHAW did is illegal and both could get sue for it as it does not create a competition in the market.

SHAW will try to put any competitor out of business. Remember last year 995 deal where SHAW offer their absolute TV with free HD PVR rental, High speed Interent and SHAW home phone with long distance included and each service would only cost $9.95 each for one year? This offer is only given to building where there is NOVUS service. If you call or talk to a SHAW the will either outright lie to you saying there is no such promo, or the promo is only offer is certain area, or even straight out tell you to fuck off.

Sure it doesn't affect you now but it will in the future and when it comes that time don't QQ.

[woob]

I'd like to know what you downloaded to get that much traffic in a single month.

Nice try, MPAA.

[Carl Johnson]

So they lowered the bandwidth cap for all services yet still charges us the same price? What is the justification in that? I thought the whole internet movement is going forward not backward.

What a bunch of greedy fucks - J. R. Shaw and Bradley S. Shaw. This is really pissing me off. Like you always have to wait 1 - 2 hours to get some customer service guy answer a phone call when you need the help, but this really gets me to think about downgrading some my services and move them to Shaw's competitors.

[Carl Johnson]

This is BS, we need more competition. Having Telus and Shaw as the only 2 major players in town just isn't right.

Government probably has some bullshit law preventing major U.S. providers coming into Canada. Because they would say that we have to protect our Canadian jobs and economy, while turning a blind eye on Shaw, Rogers, and Telus raping all of us in the butt.

[BlackZRoadster]

What area of Richmond ?
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near garden city and westminster

[!MiKrofT]

Hmm anyone have Telus Optik High Speed Turbo? I'm thinking of switching to that now because of this. It's only a bit more but includes 250gb and digital TV as well as a free xbox 360. Telus site says optik is available but optik turbo isn't. Maybe I'll give them a call.

[lilaznviper]

i think optik turbo is only if the building or area has fibre

[Gh0stRider]

i should be good with 100gb/month :)

just gotta control my porn downloads :p

[hotjoint]

i should be good with 100gb/month :)

just gotta control my porn downloads :p

:lol

[Great68]

I would be on board with metered bandwidth, as long as the price per GB was reasonable (Say $0.25-0.50 per GB).

It's no different than how we pay our power bills. Use more, pay more, simple and FAIR concept.

[EmOne]

guess i am fucked then, I am on high speed
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/1680/tg1.JPG

[EmOne]

I download about 150-250gigs a month worth of HD stuff.

[Ch28]

Hmm anyone have Telus Optik High Speed Turbo? I'm thinking of switching to that now because of this. It's only a bit more but includes 250gb and digital TV as well as a free xbox 360. Telus site says optik is available but optik turbo isn't. Maybe I'll give them a call.

I'm seriously considering switching as well since we received that $15/internet, $15/phone, $15/cable offer in the mail from Telus.

Let me know with what you come up with

[ddr]

canada's such a 3rd world country when it comes to connectivity and bandwidth. must be ballin' to be a bully in the telecommunications industry in canada

[Great68]

Do you use NETFLIX, watch youtuve video, watch TV shows through programs like PBS, download games (wow update alone for the latest expansion alone over 4GB NOT TO mention all the other major patch they have up).

Please face reality. People are moving towards Digital TV. SHAW saw this and they know it will hurt their over price TV package. Instead of trying to improve their service they simply restrict the INTERENT so people have to stay with them for their crappy cable service.

Peter Bissonnette who runs SHAW personality said " The reason NETFLIX can offer their service at $8.99 is because they have no cost other than acquiring the content." That just made me LOL. First Netflix will need a very very good upstream provider to stream all the HD service to you, they will need huge server running to store and send the data to the upstream provider and to store their movies/TV shows, they will need a database to keep track of their customer...........

One of the reason why SHAW doing this now is becasue we all know maybe in the next few years more and more people will using the Internet for their TV content rather than through cable. So rather then trying to stop the issue in the future SHAW is stopping the whole thing now.

But honestly the CRTC is to blame for this as well. They allow bell to do this and they don't allow any non Canadian company to enter into the whole Communication market which created this whole mess. Not to mention SHAW and Rogers sing a contract in which SHAW will not operate in the eastern side of Canada while Rogers will not operate in Western side. Guess what lol. SHAW bought out Mountain cable which is in the Eastern side and Rogers went to court to sue them them. The Better Business Barue got invole and pretty say what ROGERS and SHAW did is illegal and both could get sue for it as it does not create a competition in the market.

SHAW will try to put any competitor out of business. Remember last year 995 deal where SHAW offer their absolute TV with free HD PVR rental, High speed Interent and SHAW home phone with long distance included and each service would only cost $9.95 each for one year? This offer is only given to building where there is NOVUS service. If you call or talk to a SHAW the will either outright lie to you saying there is no such promo, or the promo is only offer is certain area, or even straight out tell you to fuck off.

Sure it doesn't affect you now but it will in the future and when it comes that time don't QQ.

Nothing in this post explains why metered bandwidth is not a good idea, you just made a big rant about Shaw playing monopoly.

I don't use netflix (Nor do I ever plan to, I didn't buy a 52" 1080P TV to watch compressed downloaded shit that I have pay for) or play Wow, why should I have to pay the same amount for my usage as someone who DOES use those services?

I'm don't have the anti-piracy hard-on that Dangonay does, but my bill would still go down significantly if I only had to pay for the bandwidth I used.
And if I did decide to use netflix or play Wow in the future, I would be fine with my bill going up because I'm using a service, it takes more bandwidth, and I know that.

Right now a good analogy to your complaint is like you're plugging in a couple of electric space heaters and then complaining to BC Hydro that your power bill went up.

[striderblade]

With the upcoming steam holiday sales. My ass gonna get capped.

[Zap]

Nothing in this post explains why metered bandwidth is not a good idea, you just made a big rant about Shaw playing monopoly.



As streaming video becomes better quality, consumers average bandwidth consumption will go up, purchasing games via downloads over hard disk copy's will become the norm. Youtube will switch to full HD video for all of it's content, Interactive Blu-ray discs will evolve downloading content the producers servers, renting Blu-ray via downloads will become the norm. Progression of technology is hindered by metered billing, No company will have a chance when the consumers in Canada have their bandwidth pipe choke off by it's ISP to save it's own Video on Demand service or television service. Shaw is reading it's self for the growth of online media with metered billing, to acquire every damn cent it can from it's subscribers.

Really think about it for a bit, I myself could be downloading a video to my Iphone, while doing streaming video phone calls, sending texts, between posting this comment on this forum.........Technology evolves, what's next 2 years from now?

[Great68]

Really think about it for a bit, I myself could be downloading a video to my Iphone, while doing streaming video phone calls, sending texts, between posting this comment on this forum.........Technology evolves, what's next 2 years from now?

200 years ago, all people used electricity for was lighting their homes...

[Zap]

200 years ago, all people used electricity for was lighting their homes...

Well the incandescent bulb was around 1910 or so, so I think your a few years off.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Nothing in this post explains why metered bandwidth is not a good idea, you just made a big rant about Shaw playing monopoly.

I don't use netflix (Nor do I ever plan to, I didn't buy a 52" 1080P TV to watch compressed downloaded shit that I have pay for) or play Wow, why should I have to pay the same amount for my usage as someone who DOES use those services?

I'm don't have the anti-piracy hard-on that Dangonay does, but my bill would still go down significantly if I only had to pay for the bandwidth I used.
And if I did decide to use netflix or play Wow in the future, I would be fine with my bill going up because I'm using a service, it takes more bandwidth, and I know that.

Right now a good analogy to your complaint is like you're plugging in a couple of electric space heaters and then complaining to BC Hydro that your power bill went up.

Then let me ask you this" Why do SHAW LOWERED everyone bandwidth by a good 25GB and then start the meter billing? Care to explain that in details. They could simply just start billing people for oeverueage but NOOOOOOOOO they have to go lower your monthly bandwidth first.

Not to mention SHAW's uesage page is full of carp and inaccurate that even the SHAW rep themselves tell customer to ingore. When I look at my own uesage report there are days when it saids I used over 100GB in a day and sometimes it shows I 0 uesage for a few days when I fully know that is not true.

So how cna SHAW bill us for something this inaccurate? Not to mention SHAW's ONLY option for going over your monthly is to bill you, how come I can't say chose to have my speed lowered and any overueagfe is free, at least that's what NOVUS is doing. They allow customer to chose to decide if they want to buy more uesage or simply reduce their speed. What can't SHAW do something like that? I can tell you why, coz they want to take as much money from you as they can.

[MikeyStyle]

Fuck. I'm on Extreme and I (just me, not including the rest of my family) have used 245.3GB in the past 31 days....

EDIT: found a large discussion thread on this topic at dslreports - http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24949041-Shaw-charging-for-extra-bandwidth.
for the last month, i had a total of 465 gb and i was using extreme as well

i know how you feel.. i've already voiced my opinion in this matter and a lot of people have as well. whether or not if things change.. i'm not pleased with the company's decision

[Great68]

Well the incandescent bulb was around 1910 or so, so I think your a few years off.

"In 1835, James Bowman Lindsay demonstrated a constant electric light at a public meeting in Dundee, Scotland. He stated that he could "read a book at a distance of one and a half feet". However, having perfected the device to his own satisfaction, he turned to the problem of wireless telegraphy and did not develop the electric light any further. His claims are not well documented, although he is credited in Challoner etal.[10] with being the inventor of the "Incandescent Light Bulb".

OHHH OK 175 years... That changes my post ENTIRELY!

[dangonay]

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.


Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.



For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

[dangonay]

Nice try, MPAA.

Nice try, crook.

You just admitted to downloading 245GB in one month. Using Netflix HD content as an example, that's about 145 hours of content. A full time job is 160 hours per month. So you spend as much time in front of the TV as a full time job?

There's no way you can possibly watch the amount of content you're downloading and lead a normal life. You are just like most people who download and torrent - you're a hoarder. Instead of filling your house with junk, you fill your hard drives with thousands of albums, most of which you will never listen to. You download entire seasons of popular TV shows just so you can say you have them. You actually download content at a rate far higher than you could possibly ever watch/listen to. And then have the nerve to bitch about possibly getting charged for the extra bandwidth you're using to keep up your hoarder lifestyle. You are nothing more than a digital pack rat.

[ninjai123]

^ LOL he said his whole family but who knows lol...

[Mr.HappySilp]

you still haven't answer my question yet dangonay why SHAW all of a sudden decrease everyone package bandwidth by 25GB (expect lite) and the right away charge people who went over their bandwidth. Is it really what they claim to be or is it a cash grab for them? O and also how come SHAW ONLY have the option to buy more bandwidth? How come they don't allow user to reduce their speed for the month if they do go over their montly limit? NOVUS can do it so why can't SHAW? Is SHAW's system that crappy and the useless?

As far as I know Bandwidth cost SHAW no more than 5cents a GB from their upstream provider. I work in the industry so I know exactly those prices are. If I have my guess right you do work for SHAW don't you?

A 2hour HD movie on Netflix is about 4 to 6GB so with SHAW's limit that's about 16 to 25movies. Now combie that with say youtube HD, some BT and some PBS you can easily reach their cap.

Even my mom who knows nothing about Internet uses PBS to watch her TV shows. Is fast easy and she gets the newest stuff right away VS waiting for 1+ year for SHAW/ Fairchild to put the show on. Not to mention she can watch it anytime she likes and she can go and watch old TV shows as well.

O and answer my question this time with a really answer that makes sense instead of going around in circles and avoiding it.

[Carl Johnson]

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.


Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.



For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

You are the exact reason why corporation like Shaw are able to pull off shady stunts like this. To Reduce services while charging us the same price as before. You mentioned internet service is cheap here in Canada, what are you comparing it to? Well I certainly hope you are not comparing to U.S., Brazil, or other European Countries like Denmark, Sweden, or Finland.

And I don't mean to bust your bubble about your view on Vancouver. In the next 10 - 15 years, Canada will not have a seat at the G8. We would be luck to even have a seat at the G20 going by our current growth prospect. Let's face it, the next big thing certainly will not happen here. Not when you have company like Shaw rolling backward with the whole internet revolution that is happening around the world. So I hope you do enjoy your view and your freedom.

By the way, Vancouver's housing market and affordability should not be in the same sentence both on an absolute and relative basis. It's not as expansive as some real estates in Asia but it would be crazy to call it "cheap". So is the gasoline we pay at the pump.

[EmOne]

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.


Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.



For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

yeah yeah yeah, get off your high horse :rolleyes::rolleyes: I am still going to pirate shit. Try and stop me

[ddr]

Nice try, crook.

You just admitted to downloading 245GB in one month. Using Netflix HD content as an example, that's about 145 hours of content. A full time job is 160 hours per month. So you spend as much time in front of the TV as a full time job?

There's no way you can possibly watch the amount of content you're downloading and lead a normal life. You are just like most people who download and torrent - you're a hoarder.

that's quite an assumption.

so what if someone chooses to leave their TV or browser on all day and stream stuff just because they can? my friend's brother streams kids stuff all day for his child, his wife watches her cooking stuff, and when he's home he streams his own stuff. it's a bigger deal when you consider the fact that more than one person lives in most houses. that bandwidth cap must be a bitch for a house with 2-3 teenagers lol. i guess they should charge monthly based on MAC and IP addresses then?

[Mr.HappySilp]

lol It will be funny if SHAW start charging TV base on how many hours you get with your cable package. Anything abouve that you will have pay for each hour.

[Zap]

"In 1835, James Bowman Lindsay demonstrated a constant electric light at a public meeting in Dundee, Scotland. He stated that he could "read a book at a distance of one and a half feet". However, having perfected the device to his own satisfaction, he turned to the problem of wireless telegraphy and did not develop the electric light any further. His claims are not well documented, although he is credited in Challoner etal.[10] with being the inventor of the "Incandescent Light Bulb".

OHHH OK 175 years... That changes my post ENTIRELY!

first Invented vs common use, are 2 separate things, investigate further and you will see that the Incandescent light bulb that is most commonly used, still today, (lasted more than a few secs or 1.5 hours) to light "every ones household with electricity" was invented 1910.

[dangonay]

yeah yeah yeah, get off your high horse :rolleyes::rolleyes: I am still going to pirate shit. Try and stop me
Why would I waste my time trying to stop you? I'll simply wait until someone steals your car (or something else from you) and laugh at Karma. You think it's morally OK to pirate because it's not physical property. Some thieves think it's OK to steal from people who have more than they do. Morally they are no different than you - they have their own reasons to justify what they do.

[dangonay]

that's quite an assumption.

so what if someone chooses to leave their TV or browser on all day and stream stuff just because they can? my friend's brother streams kids stuff all day for his child, his wife watches her cooking stuff, and when he's home he streams his own stuff. it's a bigger deal when you consider the fact that more than one person lives in most houses. that bandwidth cap must be a bitch for a house with 2-3 teenagers lol. i guess they should charge monthly based on MAC and IP addresses then?
Why not leave your lights on all day even if nobody is home? Internet bandwidth isn't free, so why treat it like it is?

woob (crook) already said he personally (not including his family) used 245GB in a month. So nice try brining his entire family into this.

Streams stuff to his kids all day? Nice parenting skills there - put kids in front of TV/computer/video game to keep them occupied.

[dangonay]

you still haven't answer my question yet dangonay why SHAW all of a sudden decrease everyone package bandwidth by 25GB (expect lite) and the right away charge people who went over their bandwidth. Is it really what they claim to be or is it a cash grab for them? O and also how come SHAW ONLY have the option to buy more bandwidth? How come they don't allow user to reduce their speed for the month if they do go over their montly limit? NOVUS can do it so why can't SHAW? Is SHAW's system that crappy and the useless?

As far as I know Bandwidth cost SHAW no more than 5cents a GB from their upstream provider. I work in the industry so I know exactly those prices are. If I have my guess right you do work for SHAW don't you?

A 2hour HD movie on Netflix is about 4 to 6GB so with SHAW's limit that's about 16 to 25movies. Now combie that with say youtube HD, some BT and some PBS you can easily reach their cap.

Even my mom who knows nothing about Internet uses PBS to watch her TV shows. Is fast easy and she gets the newest stuff right away VS waiting for 1+ year for SHAW/ Fairchild to put the show on. Not to mention she can watch it anytime she likes and she can go and watch old TV shows as well.

O and answer my question this time with a really answer that makes sense instead of going around in circles and avoiding it.
They didn't charge people right away - you will get warnings for two months beforehand. Besides, if you don't like SHAW then switch to Telus. Vote with your wallet as everyone says.

I don't work for SHAW. And I don't know where you got your numbers as my calculations show 1.6-1.7GB per hour or about 3.4GB per 2 hour movie. Regardless, if you stream that much content then add a data plan.

I don't know why SHAW changed their pricing. I'd bet it's because of the rampant dowloading and this is a way to charge the people who are abusing the service. Unfortunately, the rest of us suffer.

Why are you getting pissed at SHAW, BTW? Why aren't you pissed at the dowloading crooks who are most likely the cause of all this in the first place?

[Great68]

first Invented vs common use, are 2 separate things, investigate further and you will see that the Incandescent light bulb that is most commonly used, still today, (lasted more than a few secs or 1.5 hours) to light "every ones household with electricity" was invented 1910.

That absolutely changes the gist of my post ENTIRELY. :rolleyes:

[604nguyen]

lol It will be funny if SHAW start charging TV base on how many hours you get with your cable package. Anything abouve that you will have pay for each hour.

i dont think it'd be a laughing matter if shaw starts charging TV by the hour


lol

[604nguyen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5SmrHNWhak&feature=related

[Vinny G]

I bet most people with huge bandiwdth usage are idiots trying to get a 1.0 share ratio on some shitty private torrent site.

At least be a smart pirate. There are at least 2 upload type sites that give you >1mb/s download speeds (for free) and you don't have to waste bandwidth uploading anything. I don't know how people use 250gb/month. I download whatever I want and stream tons of stuff and don't come close. 250gb is like 35 Xbox360 ISOs or 35 high bit rate 720p blu-ray rips.

Still think the limit should've been set at around 150gb though.

[Ikkaku]

The reality and issue is that they're lowering the usage cap yet charging the exact same price. We could talk about metered usage, yet that is not what they're bothering to do. This is similar to when Fido changed their cityfido policy from unlimited usage to 2500 minutes. Won't affect your average consumers, yet there is still a large population that will get hit, but it may not be significant enough for them to care.

I do not see them caring, not even if most of the 'hardcore' users switch to telus, because they will still have the support of the 'light' users, who are people who merely use the internet for information and communication.

With that said, I am quite displeased that they will start capping at 60gb for normal highspeed. I predict university networks will be more congested from more people downloading while on campus. Time to start looking for unsecure networks around me.

[Ch28]

FCC just passed limited net neutrality rules

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/fcc-passes-limited-net-neutrality-rules-almost-no-one-happy-abo/

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/21/132233545/fcc-adopts-rules-to-protect-web-traffic?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw

A divided Federal Communications Commission has approved new rules meant to prohibit broadband companies from interfering with Internet traffic flowing to their customers.

The 3-2 vote Tuesday marks a major victory for FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, who has spent more than a year trying to craft a compromise.

The FCC's three Democrats voted to pass the rules, while the two Republicans opposed them, calling them unnecessary regulation. The new rules are likely to face intense scrutiny on Capitol Hill once Republicans take over the House. Meanwhile, public interest groups decried the regulations as too weak, particularly for wireless systems.

Known as "net neutrality," the rules prohibit phone and cable companies from favoring or discriminating against Internet content and services, such as those from rivals.

The rules require broadband providers to let subscribers access all legal online content, applications and services over their wired networks - including online calling services, Internet video and other Web applications that compete with their core businesses. But the rules give broadband providers flexibility to manage data on their systems to deal with problems such as network congestion and unwanted traffic including spam as long as they publicly disclose their network management practices.Read more about it at the 2 links posted above.

[Presto]

Dagonay is like a closet homo, or something. Always preaching the evils of it, while being the biggest, hypocritical pole-smoker out there. Later on, we'll find out he's in the top 5% of bandwidth hogs, with a huge portion of that bandwidth dedicated to gay, midget, tranny porn starring Anthony Espinosa and his burly lover, Sonny the Liar.

[Tapioca]

Shaw is traded on the TSX, right? It might be a good time to buy some of their stock. I agree that what Shaw has done is somewhat sleazy, but it's not exactly easy to innovate and generate growth from an industry facing declining revenues (TV).

I spend a lot of time online, but it's mostly reading news and forums, watching the odd video, etc. I probably use 5-10 gigs a month. Even if you have 4 grown adults in your household who are computer enthusiasts, why are you downloading 200 gigs+ a month? I live on my own in a small apartment and aside from Canucks games, I don't have the time to even watch a movie or TV series more than once a week if I'm lucky. Most of the streamed media out there is way less than HD, so that doesn't explain your usage. And even if you're downloading HD content, why are you watching it on your PC? I'd rather spend 10 bucks on an actual Blu-Ray disc and watch the content on my audiophile home theatre set-up.

Just admit it - you guys spend way too much time on your PCs.

[CRS]

Hmmm I'm looking at the bundles from telus and they look pretty decent.

Looking to get all three services, phone, internet and cable w/ the HD pick.

Any recommendations?

[Ch28]

Shaw is traded on the TSX, right? It might be a good time to buy some of their stock. I agree that what Shaw has done is somewhat sleazy, but it's not exactly easy to innovate and generate growth from an industry facing declining revenues (TV).

I spend a lot of time online, but it's mostly reading news and forums, watching the odd video, etc.Iprobably use 5-10 gigs a month. Even if you have 4 grown adults in your household who are computer enthusiasts, why are you downloading 200 gigs+ a month?Ilive on my own in a small apartment and aside from Canucks games, I don't have the time to even watch a movie or TV series more than once a week if I'm lucky. Most of the streamed media out there is way less than HD, so that doesn't explain your usage. And even if you're downloading HD content, why are you watching it on your PC? I'd rather spend 10 bucks on an actual Blu-Ray disc and watch the content on my audiophile home theatre set-up.

Just admit it - you guys spend way too much time on your PCs.

That is your own personal preference.

That's like me saying I like watching all my movies in the theatres instead of buying a $10 blu-ray and you should too.

Most of the streamed media out there is way less than HD

You clearly don't know where to get your stuff if you're still watching non-HD shows and movies. EVERYTHING has HD versions now (movies, tv shows etc)

[dangonay]

Dagonay is like a closet homo, or something. Always preaching the evils of it, while being the biggest, hypocritical pole-smoker out there. Later on, we'll find out he's in the top 5% of bandwidth hogs, with a huge portion of that bandwidth dedicated to gay, midget, tranny porn starring Anthony Espinosa and his burly lover, Sonny the Liar.

Why would I waste bandwidth on gay porn when I can just make my own? You should come over and join us one night. We'll cure your dependance on pussy 6" at a time.
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[604nguyen]

Hmmm I'm looking at the bundles from telus and they look pretty decent.

Looking to get all three services, phone, internet and cable w/ the HD pick.

Any recommendations?

yeah i'd like to know as well about the telus optik package
looking to get all three services too, any first hand experience?
dont want to sign a 3 year contract for shitty service

[ddr]

Why not leave your lights on all day even if nobody is home? Internet bandwidth isn't free, so why treat it like it is?

woob (crook) already said he personally (not including his family) used 245GB in a month. So nice try brining his entire family into this.

Streams stuff to his kids all day? Nice parenting skills there - put kids in front of TV/computer/video game to keep them occupied.

some ppl do leave their lights on all day even when no one's home. or blast the heat with the window open for air circulation but their rent includes any bills. everyone knows that bandwidth isn't free, but ppl feel jibbed when they pay for a monthly service that includes limits; limits that apparently are getting tighter as storage media is getting cheaper and media content is getting larger in size? y even evolve to 1440p resolutions in the future when no one is willing to or can afford the bandwidth for these high resolutions? guess we'll still be stuck with mailing things instead of streaming.

i don't get it, it's so personal for you lol. what does me stating an example of a typical family have to do with mr. woob or anyone else in this thread. shaw's limits doesn't work for any home with more than a single person in it. when you divide their limits by 2, 3, 4 it's not a lot. yet surfing or chatting requires little speed bandwidth so no average family is willing to fork out extra $.

again, you must be a great parent. just 'cause the tv's on, doesn't mean the kid's in front of it at all times. do you have kids? how do they feel about you trolling on RS?

ppl get so fucking defensive when a majority of users are against them. rarely is there a good argument going on. we get it, u use less than some of us so we're the bad guys. we d/l movies, music, porn, games, programs. u don't d/l anything illegal. u spend tons on itunes purchases. ur a saint lol. maybe you feel strongly about paying for health care costs for other ppl too when you're healthy. GTFO.

[terkan]

yeah i'd like to know as well about the telus optik package
looking to get all three services too, any first hand experience?
dont want to sign a 3 year contract for shitty service

i'm think optik tv is pretty cool, but i heard that their bandwidth maximum only supports 2 hd and 1 sd feed at the same time and i dunno if that affects the internet portion too, but for light users i think it is great. haven't had it, never will just coz i like my staff package at shaw. the only downside i can think of with telus is they will charge you for a service technician if they send one out and only to discover it's the cx's own problem + contract

[Great68]

The reality and issue is that they're lowering the usage cap yet charging the exact same price. We could talk about metered usage, yet that is not what they're bothering to do. This is similar to when Fido changed their cityfido policy from unlimited usage to 2500 minutes. Won't affect your average consumers, yet there is still a large population that will get hit, but it may not be significant enough for them to care.

I do not see them caring, not even if most of the 'hardcore' users switch to telus, because they will still have the support of the 'light' users, who are people who merely use the internet for information and communication.

With that said, I am quite displeased that they will start capping at 60gb for normal highspeed. I predict university networks will be more congested from more people downloading while on campus. Time to start looking for unsecure networks around me.

I agree that if Shaw were reducing the data caps on their plans without reducing prices, that would be a pretty bullshit dick move.

That being said, I'm on the regular High Speed plan and I've known that since the day I signed up for the service that my "Cap" was 60GB.

What I WANT is no monthly fee, no plan, no "Cap", just a CRTC regulated rate for all ISP's per GB. Make it like another base utility into the house.

[Ch28]

Hmmm I'm looking at the bundles from telus and they look pretty decent.

Looking to get all three services, phone, internet and cable w/ the HD pick.

Any recommendations?

yeah i'd like to know as well about the telus optik package
looking to get all three services too, any first hand experience?
dont want to sign a 3 year contract for shitty service

i'm think optik tv is pretty cool, but i heard that their bandwidth maximum only supports 2 hd and 1 sd feed at the same time and i dunno if that affects the internet portion too, but for light users i think it is great. haven't had it, never will just coz i like my staff package at shaw. the only downside i can think of with telus is they will charge you for a service technician if they send one out and only to discover it's the cx's own problem + contract

A rep from Telus told me last night that each Optik TV feed can use about 4Mbps.

Considering the Telus Optik High Speed Turbo has a max of 25Mbps and you're looking at roughly 17Mbps speed if you're running an average of 2 tv feeds at any time.

[Tapioca]

You clearly don't know where to get your stuff if you're still watching non-HD shows and movies. EVERYTHING has HD versions now (movies, tv shows etc)

I'm on Novus (with a consistent 20 MBPS) with a wired connection and even I can't stream HD without buffering, so what's the point? I doubt anyone here is off the cable TV, so why not just PVR TV shows instead of streaming them online? Maybe everyone here watches stuff on HBO and AMC (Entourage, Dexter, Mad Men, etc.), which then I can understand the need to stream.

[Ch28]

I'm on Novus (with a consistent 20 MBPS) with a wired connection and even I can't stream HD without buffering, so what's the point? I doubt anyone here is off the cable TV, so why not just PVR TV shows instead of streaming them online? Maybe everyone here watches stuff on HBO and AMC (Entourage, Dexter, Mad Men, etc.), which then I can understand the need to stream.

I was actually referring to downloading shows.

Why stream when you can just queue them all up and watch once they're done?

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ I haven't watch TV in months beside hockey games. If I want to watch something I stream it. With a computer/laptop I can watch it on my bed. I don't need to go buy another HD PVR, a new HD TV, and pay SHAW for an additional terminal fee every month.

If my parents want to watch something they stream it onto the TV.

[Tapioca]

I was actually referring to downloading shows.

Why stream when you can just queue them all up and watch once they're done?

Fair enough.

But, as I've said, here's the dilemma for a cable company: if no one is willing to pay for cable service (because downloading is "free"), how are they supposed to make money and deliver steady returns to their shareholders?

I don't know how much it costs to carry bandwidth for the average telco, but I do know that coaxial cable is limited in terms of the data it can carry. Eventually, they're going to have to convert to fibre optic wires to meet consumer demands and perhaps bringing in hard caps is in recognition of the fact that Shaw doesn't have the infrastructure to meet the demand and/or they're trying to raise cash to fund infrastructure upgrades.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ If SHAW can't meet the demand they will either need to upgrade thier hardware or Stop singing up new services.

If they say they can offer say 15mb/s download then I should expect 15mb/s all day not what's happening now. Where during busy time the speed goes down to 7mbs/s. Rather than upgrading their hardware to provide better service they rather bill customer so no one is going over their limit.

If SHAW true intention is to provide better service they can simply throttled BT and P2P traffic during the day (which they do it now anyways) and say between 2am to 5am the don't throttle any BT P2P traffic. What this does is it will make people do their download at night where no one is actively using it, clear their nodes during the day so everyone gets a faster connection.

Let's put it this way it cost SHAW less than 20cents (most lilkely less than that)per GB if they do purchase it from an upstream provider. Since SHAW already have the cable wire to your suite it doesn't cost them anything more to provide you the extra bandwidth coz will the hardware is already installed.

[StylinRed]

Very interesting the USA and the FCC voted on Net-Neutrality today; Global just said people are going to be charged based on usage now?

i did a quick google search but didnt find anything on fees

[Manic!]

Does anyone plan to do anything more than complain on RS?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Switching to Telus as soon as this come into effect and I see this on my bill.

[Manic!]

Switching to Telus as soon as this come into effect and I see this on my bill.

And what if 6 months down the road Telus adds caps?

[sunny_j]

Switching to Telus as soon as this come into effect and I see this on my bill.
+1
And what if 6 months down the road Telus adds caps?
thats fine as long as they dont do it how shaw did it. shaw bumped up the caps to 125 gb for extreme awhile ago and then w/o notice or anything they lowered them to 100gb as soon netflix was introduced in canada

[terkan]

who saids it's coming into effect effective this month? =\ even after this comes into effect you still have a month or 2 before they send u warning letter than start charging you for it.. so to say no warning?

[RC0310_EJ]

Optik High Speed Turbo..

250GB/month limit..

should be enough for most of us :)

available in Richmond in my area.. :D

[JesseBlue]

ill still market teksavvy who leases lines from telus. had unlimited dl cap but after bell complained in the east bumped down to 200gb
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[dangonay]

^^ If SHAW can't meet the demand they will either need to upgrade thier hardware or Stop singing up new services.

If they say they can offer say 15mb/s download then I should expect 15mb/s all day not what's happening now. Where during busy time the speed goes down to 7mbs/s. Rather than upgrading their hardware to provide better service they rather bill customer so no one is going over their limit.

You ever stop to consider that you're the problem (or someone like you downloading far more than they need)? Shaw networks have no trouble keeping up with normal demands (including streaming HD content) to all their customers. Same with Telus, or their Optik service couldn't work.

Does anyone plan to do anything more than complain on RS?
Anything like what? Complain to a company selling a commodity that you should get unlimited use (or very high limits) without paying anymore than the next guy?

Why not tell your cell phone company that even though you signed up to 500 minutes per month, that if you go over you shouldn't be charged? Or tell BC Hydro that you should be able to use unlimited electricity without getting charged?


If you need more bandwidth than your neighbor, then you should pay more. Shaw and Telus have always had bandwidth caps - they just never really enforced them until now. Why are you complaining? You knew Shaw had a limit - did you think you could get away with going over forever?

[Vinny G]

I thought the issue was that the cap was set at 125gb then it was lowered to 100gb for seemingly no reason?

It's more like you signing up for 500 minutes per month then your cellular company decides that you should only have 400 minutes instead.

[joquio]

I thought the issue was that the cap was set at 125gb then it was lowered to 100gb for seemingly no reason?

It's more like you signing up for 500 minutes per month then your cellular company decides that you should only have 400 minutes instead.

^This



Dangonay, why don't just stop being so fucking narrow minded?
Ppl here are just venting and at the end of the day they will either adjust their usage or switch to telus /end of story.

I don't see why you care so much about shaw unless you own the company.

[Mr.HappySilp]

You ever stop to consider that you're the problem (or someone like you downloading far more than they need)? Shaw networks have no trouble keeping up with normal demands (including streaming HD content) to all their customers. Same with Telus, or their Optik service couldn't work.


Anything like what? Complain to a company selling a commodity that you should get unlimited use (or very high limits) without paying anymore than the next guy?

Why not tell your cell phone company that even though you signed up to 500 minutes per month, that if you go over you shouldn't be charged? Or tell BC Hydro that you should be able to use unlimited electricity without getting charged?


If you need more bandwidth than your neighbor, then you should pay more. Shaw and Telus have always had bandwidth caps - they just never really enforced them until now. Why are you complaining? You knew Shaw had a limit - did you think you could get away with going over forever?

LOL if SHAW can't keep their promise with their package (15mbps download and 1mbps up) to all the customers who were assign to that node at any given time then it is their fault. Image you bought a ticket for a concert and it sells 10k tickets but only have enough room for say 8k people because they expect the other 2k will not show up. Is silly isn't it? SHAW is doing the same thing. Say each node can only support 5000 customer at their package speed(15mbps down 1mbps up) however SHAW decides to sign 9000 customer to that node hopping that 4000 customer will either no use their Internet or that the 9000 people won't be online at the same time or that 9000 customer will not download anything big or stream anything.

Really if they say they are able to offer you at the speed you package is on I should be able to get that speed no matter what time of the day it is and that is not happening with SHAW coz their nodes is congested with over signups and not enough upgrades. So to counter this SHAW lower everyone bandwidth and introduce these bandwidth packages and bandwidth uesage hoping to scare everyone off so they stop downloading/uploading, therefore SHAW can contiune to sign up even more people on the same node and don't have to spend a penny in upgrading their hardware.

Let's give a easier ecample say you are Fido and you got the 5GB data package, 200min daytime, UNLIMITED evenings and weekends starting at 6pm for $40. Now FIDO sign way too many customer and people are using up thier 5GB data uesage and is also using their cell phone to talk more and more after 6pm since it is free. All of a sudden FDIO drops your data plan to 2GB, 100daytime min and unlimited weekends and eveings starts at 9pm. If you want your same service before you have to pay FIDO an extra $20 EACH month. How would you feel then? Wait SHAW just did that to you and feel fine and in fact you fully support it. Good Job!

[Tapioca]

Let's give a easier ecample say you are Fido and you got the 5GB data package, 200min daytime, UNLIMITED evenings and weekends starting at 6pm for $40. Now FIDO sign way too many customer and people are using up thier 5GB data uesage and is also using their cell phone to talk more and more after 6pm since it is free. All of a sudden FDIO drops your data plan to 2GB, 100daytime min and unlimited weekends and eveings starts at 9pm. If you want your same service before you have to pay FIDO an extra $20 EACH month. How would you feel then? Wait SHAW just did that to you and feel fine and in fact you fully support it. Good Job!

This is a poor example because most people have contracts with cell companies which regulate how and when companies can change the terms. Unless you signed a contract with Shaw (which is a small minority of users), they are free to change the terms of their service.

[Manic!]

This is a poor example because most people have contracts with cell companies which regulate how and when companies can change the terms. Unless you signed a contract with Shaw (which is a small minority of users), they are free to change the terms of their service.

I singed with shaw right when they started there service. Went to there open house at a local high school and the guy doing the presentation kept saying unlimited internet. The day they installed it I signed a contract and there was no mention of a cap.

Shaw got into a business when all people were doing is checking e-mails and surfing the web. Shaw did not plan ahead. Shaw got caught with there pants down.

[bestsoup]

I always thought it was unlimited o.O

[JesseBlue]

theres that * as the catch on the bottom



*we can change anything on this contract just to screw you over...

[terkan]

LOL if SHAW can't keep their promise with their package (15mbps download and 1mbps up) to all the customers who were assign to that node at any given time then it is their fault.

i don't recall any of shaw's advertisement said guarantee 15mb down 1mb up. i remember it only say up to =\

[terkan]

I singed with shaw right when they started there service. Went to there open house at a local high school and the guy doing the presentation kept saying unlimited internet. The day they installed it I signed a contract and there was no mention of a cap.

Shaw got into a business when all people were doing is checking e-mails and surfing the web. Shaw did not plan ahead. Shaw got caught with there pants down.

you sure you signed up with shaw and not rogers? shaw never did have contracts even when they first started up. and they didn't really start up. they just took over rogers in a swap from east to west

[woob]

Nice try, crook.
woob (crook)

whoawhoawhoa guy, when did this get personal?

You just admitted to downloading 245GB in one month.

I ... have used 245.3GB in the past 31 days....

used != downloaded.

Using Netflix HD content as an example, that's about 145 hours of content. A full time job is 160 hours per month. So you spend as much time in front of the TV as a full time job?

Your wording seems to imply a disdain for that amount of television. And while I agree that excess amounts of anything can be bad, everyone has a vice, and I just can't stand commercials ;) . Also, downloading a certain amount in one month does not necessarily mean watching all of it in one month.

You are nothing more than a digital pack rat.

I am a pack rat physically too. You should see my room. I still have high school physics exams in my closet.

Maybe everyone here watches stuff on HBO and AMC (Entourage, Dexter, Mad Men, etc.), which then I can understand the need to stream.

Don't forget Breaking Bad! :)

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

People pay for Netflix because it is legal. The content found on most torrent sites is not.

So you call me a crook knowing nothing about me other than the fact that I've used 245GB of bandwidth, yet you denounce Netflix, a legal way that can take an average internet user easily past the cap. Seems like you're arguing with yourself.





Anyways, brb Mad Men on Netflix.

[asdfpic]

Would you guys consider changing to telus optik TV and internet?

Right now im on shaw high speed getting average 10mp/s (higher at night)

not sure how fast the optik would be because it says up to 15mbps but the 25 mbps high speed turbo isn't in my area....

Optik TV Your Pick HD (3 year term)
FREE HD PVR rental
Optik High Speed (2 year term)
FREE Xbox 360®

$65/mo for 3 months ($112/mo. thereafter)

[CRS]

Would you guys consider changing to telus optik TV and internet?

Right now im on shaw high speed getting average 10mp/s (higher at night)

not sure how fast the optik would be because it says up to 15mbps but the 25 mbps high speed turbo isn't in my area....

Optik TV Your Pick HD (3 year term)
FREE HD PVR rental
Optik High Speed (2 year term)
FREE Xbox 360®

$65/mo for 3 months ($112/mo. thereafter)

This would be what I was planning on getting.

[Manic!]

you sure you signed up with shaw and not rogers? shaw never did have contracts even when they first started up. and they didn't really start up. they just took over rogers in a swap from east to west

Never had roger internet or TV in Nanaimo and yes I signed up when the installer came to install it. This was when cable internet had just come out.

[Manic!]

Everyone thinking of switching to Telus should wait and do it on mas all on the same day.

[!MiKrofT]

I wonder if I can pay for the Telus Optik Turbo bundle while getting Optik speeds. I don't care about 25mbps. Just want the 250gb cap. :)

[dangonay]

I thought the issue was that the cap was set at 125gb then it was lowered to 100gb for seemingly no reason?

It's more like you signing up for 500 minutes per month then your cellular company decides that you should only have 400 minutes instead.
That's not the issue at all. The issue is Shaw is now going to be charging for overages (after 2 months of warnings) where in the past they did not.

Doesn't matter anyway - the people bitching here (and on other forums) use WAY more bandwidth than even the previous limits. Why complain about a limit going from 125 to 100 when you still use 200+ anyway? It's being billed for the extra that's got the downloaders so upset.

[dangonay]

To those using Netflix (which I think sucks as it has a poor movie selection), why not go to your account page where it shows your history at the bottom? Take a screen shot and blur out your personal details (maybe leave only your first name). Then we can see how much bandwidth you are actually using, based on your viewing habits. If you're going to use Netflix as a reason for bitching about bandwidth, then prove that you really watch that much streamed Netflix content. Otherwise, STFU.

[woob]

Relevant layman-termed website explaining net neutrality: http://www.theopeninter.net/

[Manic!]

To those using Netflix (which I think sucks as it has a poor movie selection), why not go to your account page where it shows your history at the bottom? Take a screen shot and blur out your personal details (maybe leave only your first name). Then we can see how much bandwidth you are actually using, based on your viewing habits. If you're going to use Netflix as a reason for bitching about bandwidth, then prove that you really watch that much streamed Netflix content. Otherwise, STFU.


Netflix HD is 5500kbps. You do the math.

[Zap]

To those using Netflix (which I think sucks as it has a poor movie selection), why not go to your account page where it shows your history at the bottom? Take a screen shot and blur out your personal details (maybe leave only your first name). Then we can see how much bandwidth you are actually using, based on your viewing habits. If you're going to use Netflix as a reason for bitching about bandwidth, then prove that you really watch that much streamed Netflix content. Otherwise, STFU.

I calculated out Netflix streaming of HD content already in another forum. 2 hours a day (average consumers time watching TV/Movies) for 30 days is around 150GB bandwidth, over most accounts from which Shaw offers, forcing an upgrade to your tier, Data Packs, overcharges.


http://web.forret.com/tools/filesize.asp?speed=5500&unit=Kbps&dur=7200

[bestsoup]

How do you check how much you're using?

[turb0triX]

so has this already been implemented? will we be charged for going over our limits for the month of december?

[Zap]

How do you check how much you're using?

I use DU meter. A tool to monitor your bandwidth.

[Zap]

so has this already been implemented? will we be charged for going over our limits for the month of december?

Lots have heard Feb 2011. Who knows though, Shaw isn't what they use to be. They have become pretty sleazy since the changing of the Guard (new CEO).

[terkan]

i can understand why people are mad that the bandwidth is lowered.. but what i don't get is, most people that are complaining about over the old bandwidth cap anyways. i can see you have a legit beef with shaw if because of the reduction of the bandwidth you are now going over. most of you that are over.. are at least 25-50% over the cap, keep the cap where it is you are still going over.. most of you are really complaining coz you have to pay for the over usage which telus always been charging.

[Zap]

i can understand why people are mad that the bandwidth is lowered.. but what i don't get is, most people that are complaining about over the old bandwidth cap anyways. i can see you have a legit beef with shaw if because of the reduction of the bandwidth you are now going over. most of you that are over.. are at least 25-50% over the cap, keep the cap where it is you are still going over.. most of you are really complaining coz you have to pay for the over usage which telus always been charging.

The cap is set by Shaw, lowered at will, doesn't even justify or come close to the bandwidth needed in today's digital age. The cap was never an issue when it wasn't enforced. Now Shaw would like to let us believe, "normal' usage is lower than the product they sell, pushing the caps lower than market norm, thus inducing large revenue growth. That is the problem most have, in my opinion.

[!MiKrofT]

So in talking with a Telus rep who seems to know what he's talking about they currently don't have a way to measure usage since both TV and Internet go over the same system.

I think i'll be making the switch over to Telus Optik HighSpeed. Which by default is already 25gb more and includes basic digital tv for only $3 more than shaw extreme.

[terkan]

So in talking with a Telus rep who seems to know what he's talking about they currently don't have a way to measure usage since both TV and Internet go over the same system.

I think i'll be making the switch over to Telus Optik HighSpeed. Which by default is already 25gb more and includes basic digital tv for only $3 more than shaw extreme.

you really think telus doesn't have a way to measure bandwidth because tv and internet goes with the same fiber? that's like saying shaw have no way to measure bandwidth coz they use the same coax line.. that's what the modem is there for...

also where do you see $50 includes digital tv? telus optik internet only available with subscription to optik tv and the cheapest one is $50 (i'm just looking at pricing after promo ends with no contracts)

[Manic!]

you really think telus doesn't have a way to measure bandwidth because tv and internet goes with the same fiber? that's like saying shaw have no way to measure bandwidth coz they use the same coax line.. that's what the modem is there for...



Telus also uses the modem for TV. Telus TV is streamed over the internet connection.

[What_the?]

been with shaw, and recently cancelled my TV to replace it with Netflix. In anticipation of the major bandwidth i'll end up consuming and because of Shaw's silly bandwidth cap move, i've jumped on board with TekSavvy...

Gonna have it up and running in about a week, and then we'll see how it is. Signed up for the 3m/1m basic package at 29.99/month. Even with the Dry loop fee since I do'nt have a home phone, I am still saving about 6-8 bucks a month over shaw, and my bandwidth limit is now 200gb/month. Although i'm not sure if the 3m download speed will be sufficient for HD content, but we'll see. Even SD Netflix content seems to be really good. So we'll go with the cheaper plan for now

[!MiKrofT]

I never said $50 includes digital TV.

Shaw Extreme: $57

Telus Optik HighSpeed Bundle:
Optik High Speed with Xbox $37.00/mo.
Optik TV Essentials $23.00/mo.

2 year service plan
Rental credit ($10.00/mo.)

HD Digital Box rental x 1 $10.00/mo.
My one-time charges $0.00

My monthly total $60.00

[snowball]

^ that's also what I pay monthly but +$21 for the phone line and +12 for HD sports (I think you need the line for Optik)

[ForbiddenX]

Kind of want to switch to Telus but my dad isn't a fan of their customer service.

I don't like the idea of having to watch my bandwidth :( I used to never worry about it and just download. Never received any warnings from them but that might change in a few days. Setting up a server and need to download a bunch of stuff (Steam games for ex) and a lot of school related tools and projects.

I may have to be constantly uploading/downloading due to version control and I'm not sure what kind of file sizes I'll be working with this term in school.

Oh well until they call I'll be downloading and streaming as normal.

[Zap]

Kind of want to switch to Telus but my dad isn't a fan of their customer service.

I don't like the idea of having to watch my bandwidth :( I used to never worry about it and just download. Never received any warnings from them but that might change in a few days. Setting up a server and need to download a bunch of stuff (Steam games for ex) and a lot of school related tools and projects.

I may have to be constantly uploading/downloading due to version control and I'm not sure what kind of file sizes I'll be working with this term in school.

Oh well until they call I'll be downloading and streaming as normal.

ArconQuit, since the CRTC decision will vastly impact your projects for school, as well as other students, why don't you mention the CRTC decision to your teacher, push for a Theseus to write or at least a letter to your local MP voicing your concerns on how it just absolutely stifles innovation, creativity, access, almost creating a two Tier system, "have's and don't have's"?

[!MiKrofT]

Looks like I'll be sticking with Shaw. I called saying I'm going to switch to Telus cause it's cheaper. They put me through to Customer Loyalty department. Got 29.95 Extreme for 6 months. But quoted that 15/15/15 from Telus is 1 year. So in the end I got 19.95 Extreme for 12months. With the data2 package (additional 60gb) I'll be paying $40. Good enough for me.

Shaw customer service was still awesome. Took me 11min. in total. vs. Telus it took: 20min. talking to someone online that didn't even know about their own plans, 20min. on hold with Telus customer care to answer my questions.

[Zap]

For everyone's viewing pleasure. Reports from various News outlets.

First.....Very well written blog on this in plain English:
http://www.thewunderbar.net/2011/01/07/the-new-shaw-internet-realitybandwidth-caps/

Video Reports:
CBC National News report:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/TV_Shows/The_National/1233408557/ID=1727320821

CTV Edmonton News report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ItlDwebRc

Online Reports:
CBC News online report:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/01/07/internet-expensive-surfing-canadians.html

The Toronto Star online report:
http://www.thestar.com/news/sciencetech/technology/lawbytes/article/913640--geist-shaw-sings-new-tune-on-net-regulation

CBC News online report:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/05/06/crtc-usage-based-billing-internet.html

The Globe and Mail online report:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/isps-argue-crtc-decision-kills-competition/article1847757/

[604nguyen]

sorry, i did not have time to read this entire thread...

been a long time shaw customer and the cap really sucks
my question.... does telus optik have bandwidth caps?

[woob]

FWIR, the Telus caps are loose and Telus doesn't enforce them yet. However, since Shaw has gone down this path, I think it's only a matter of time before Telus begins to enforce the caps as well.

[sunny_j]

sorry, i did not have time to read this entire thread...

been a long time shaw customer and the cap really sucks
my question.... does telus optik have bandwidth caps?

if you watch the video in the post above a telus rep says no they wont have a cap. even if they do start enforcing it, telus's caps are higher and is cheaper compared to shaw.

[604nguyen]

well looks like telus just got themselves a new customer
:fuckyea:

lets just hope they dont impose a cap any time soon

[illicitstylz]

been with shaw for MANY years, recent switch to telus optik tv and optik internet, it's been an easy transition, speeds and consistency is great.

[sunny_j]

as soon as i get my first overage warning im switching everything to telus

[Gh0stRider]

so whos moving over to telus?

[Ch28]

so whos moving over to telus?

Installers coming during 1st week of Feb to install everything.

[Gh0stRider]

Installers coming during 1st week of Feb to install everything.

oh nice.

i tried Telus a few years ago, but their ADSL service was not available in my area. Gonna do some more research on Telus

[baggdis300]

and here i was cursing telus for there shitty mid speed net..

but forget shaw now, and to think i was going to subscribe to extreme speed in my new house...

NO THANKS, ill go with optik possibly the fibre one if my new house is in the area?

EDIT:

WEAK SAUCE only up to highspeed turbo is avaliable no optik :(

[Gh0stRider]

"TELUS TV is not available, but TELUS Satellite TV is available in this area."

:fuuuuu:

[tgill]

Good news, Teksavvy is entering the cable internet/phone market in Vancouver. While they still run on the Shaw backbone and will be subject to Shaw's bullshit, at the moment they are offering very competitive rates in limited trials.

Downlink Uplink Traffic Price
Shaw: High-Speed Lite 1Mbps 256Kbps 15GB $35
Teksavvy: Basic 1Mbps 256Kbps unlim $22

Shaw: High-Speed 7.5Mbps 512Kbps 60GB $47
Teksavvy: High-Speed 7.5Mbps 512Kbps 200GB $30
Teksavvy: High-Speed Elite 7.5Mbps 512Kbps unlim $40

Shaw: High-Speed Extreme 15Mbps 1Mbps 100GB $57
Teksavvy: Pro 15Mbps 1Mbps 200GB $37
Teksavvy: Pro Elite 15Mbps 1Mbps unlim $55

Shaw: High-Speed Warp 50Mbps 3Mbps 175GB $107
TekSavvy: Ultra 25Mbps 2Mbps 500GB $87

[Ch28]

and here i was cursing telus for there shitty mid speed net..

but forget shaw now, and to think i was going to subscribe to extreme speed in my new house...

NO THANKS, ill go with optik possibly the fibre one if my new house is in the area?

EDIT:

WEAK SAUCE only up to highspeed turbo is avaliable no optik :(

"TELUS TV is not available, but TELUS Satellite TV is available in this area."

:fuuuuu:

Don't go by the tool they have on their website. It's not accurate.

Call in and give them your address and they'll be able to give you a definitive answer. I used the tool on their website and it said my house was only eligible for satellite tv. I called in to ask and they said I was good to go with Optik. :woot2:

[Lomac]

Does Telus still give you those shiiiiiiity modem/router combo things? I had to get my ex's unit replaced something like 6 or 7 times because it kept dropping the incoming signal.

[baggdis300]

i think so...

i recently moved and went with telus(15$/month for 6 months with no phone service) and they gave me one of those 2 in 1's

[Mananetwork]

Good news, Teksavvy is entering the cable internet/phone market in Vancouver. While they still run on the Shaw backbone and will be subject to Shaw's bullshit, at the moment they are offering very competitive rates in limited trials.

Downlink Uplink Traffic Price
Shaw: High-Speed Lite 1Mbps 256Kbps 15GB $35
Teksavvy: Basic 1Mbps 256Kbps unlim $22

Shaw: High-Speed 7.5Mbps 512Kbps 60GB $47
Teksavvy: High-Speed 7.5Mbps 512Kbps 200GB $30
Teksavvy: High-Speed Elite 7.5Mbps 512Kbps unlim $40

Shaw: High-Speed Extreme 15Mbps 1Mbps 100GB $57
Teksavvy: Pro 15Mbps 1Mbps 200GB $37
Teksavvy: Pro Elite 15Mbps 1Mbps unlim $55

Shaw: High-Speed Warp 50Mbps 3Mbps 175GB $107
TekSavvy: Ultra 25Mbps 2Mbps 500GB $87

Anybody try this?

[JesseBlue]

i will have to look into this as this will save me some money...even if i'm already with teksavvy...actually the payment for changes is gonna hurt initially

[!MiKrofT]

The new data usage page is up. Accurately monitors b/w usage now.

[JesseBlue]

does that mean a lot of people are royally screwed?

[Vulcan300]

I wonder if the new data usage page is overstating usage....... I don't remember going over 170 gigs in december

[ddr]

do we check on the secure.shaw.ca page?

i'm not at home so i can't fill in the model serial # part

[Vulcan300]

yes, theres a "your modem usage" link that you click

[!MiKrofT]

I wonder if the new data usage page is overstating usage....... I don't remember going over 170 gigs in december
Yeah I don't remember going 4x over my limit before. But I'm starting to monito mine myself with Du Meter.

[tgill]

The "old" usage tracker which is still active for most people (I myself have never had access to it on my account) is notoriously inaccurate. The new one is only enabled on accounts that had the old one enabled, it seems the only way to get the new accurate meter for people that never had access to a meter to go over the bandwidth usage for at least one month.

[ddr]

mayb that's why... i don't see any relevant links ..

[way2quik]

the modem usage link does not open up when i click on it. it just redirects me back to the current page.

edit: ahh. nevermind. curse you pop-up blocker.

[Manic!]

Anyone thinking of going with Telus hold off. We should all pick a single day to give Shaw the boot. I have 4 internet Shaw accounts and 3 phone accounts that I'm thinking of switching to Telus.

[StylinRed]

telus optik isnt available out here :/


the old? bw meter im assuming says i used 390gb in December... wtf oO

[way2quik]

I got the new modem usage chart. The old chart showed each day's usage. Now it only illustrates per month from the start of the billing cycle.

I'm switching to Telus for sure if I can get the 15-15-15 deal. I read a few people on RFD have been still able to get the deal.

[StylinRed]

^^^ that's the new one??? wth it says i used 281gb this month .... i havent even downloaded any bd-r's this month wth

[sunny_j]

Anyone thinking of going with Telus hold off. We should all pick a single day to give Shaw the boot. I have 4 internet Shaw accounts and 3 phone accounts that I'm thinking of switching to Telus.
check this thread out.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25231592-How-much-can-we-cost-Shaw-Vote-with-your-wallet-

[twitchyzero]

hey tgill, where did you read that Teksavvy is using shaw cable lines?
on its website it says 100% no outsourcing :whistle:
i'm so sick of getting raped by shaw/telus even being a loyal customer for almost 15 years

[Soundy]

They're probably talking about outsourced tech support/customer service... meaning you don't talk to India when you call them.

[!MiKrofT]

hey tgill, where did you read that Teksavvy is using shaw cable lines?
on its website it says 100% no outsourcing :whistle:
i'm so sick of getting raped by shaw/telus even being a loyal customer for almost 15 years
Well. It's not like Teksaavy can afford to run their own cable lines here. It has to be leased.

[willystyle]

Canada needs to open up its cable and internet industry for more foreign investment just like how they've began to open up to the wireless telecommunication industry with Wind and Mobilicity.

It's ridiculous to think that we only have 2 internet and cable providers here in BC.

I don't consider Novus and Teksaavy, as they are small players. I am really looking forward to WIND mobile's plan to bring IPTV here to Canada.

[JesseBlue]

so how can they become bigger without more customers? i like the small fries better than the big guys...:speechless:

[willystyle]

Build your own infrastructure with more investment?

These guys don't have the capital to begin with, thats why they (Teksaavy) need to lease Shaw's infrastructure to carry their business. Which is a bad move in the long run.

Novus, on the other hand, still targets mainly highrises in downtown, and don't have the capital to build their own fibre optic network to target the mass.

Hence, they are small players.

Canada needs to open up by allowing more foreign investments to start their companies here or by buying out existing companies like Novus or Teksaavy to build their own infrastructure.

[striderblade]

Anyone here on Teksavvy yet? Im' looking at their package and seeing that i'm paying more for shaw and getting fucked. Teksavvy might be my option. $54.95 for 15down / 1 up with no cap. And i'm paying the standalone for shaw right now which is $57.00. Just want to know how their service is like. I really want to call shaw and tell them to fuck off as soon as possible.

[dangonay]

Anyone thinking of going with Telus hold off. We should all pick a single day to give Shaw the boot. I have 4 internet Shaw accounts and 3 phone accounts that I'm thinking of switching to Telus.

This is like people who say we should boycott Esso or Shell and don't buy gas on a given day. How has that worked out?

check this thread out.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25231592-How-much-can-we-cost-Shaw-Vote-with-your-wallet-

So in one month these guys have cost Shaw a total of under $3,000. They think that will get Shaw's attention?


Shaw already tested the market regarding this issue and found that the vast majority of their users don't hit their caps. Therefore, the vast majority of Shaw users won't be switching or cancelling as this won't affect them.

[Psykopathik]

i will be cutting shaw off this month too.

[kyoshiro]

I just went to telus with 15-15-15 and ugh they're taking care of all the shaw stuff for me.

[skholla]

Are you guys really going past your shaw cap? Can telus really be trusted, who's to say that they don't turn around and do the same thing? Once you are in a 3yr contract you are screwed.

I remember people getting notices from telus about mpaa copywright violations. Never heard about that with shaw.
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[kyoshiro]

Are you guys really going past your shaw cap? Can telus really be trusted, who's to say that they don't turn around and do the same thing? Once you are in a 3yr contract you are screwed.

I remember people getting notices from telus about mpaa copywright violations. Never heard about that with shaw.
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You indeed have a point and I am indeed going over the cap (which will have to change for the future)
Indeed telus cant 100% be trusted as they may do the same thus I have specifically asked about termination fees (I will gtfo if shit goes haywire) and the termination fee will be approximate to what I would have to pay on shaw a month once we put in the datapacks usage.
Also getting caught has nothing to do with which isp you're on so those don't really apply.
However, the main problem I have is with shaw not notifying me about these changes and having me potentially get on my toes and try to make sense of what people are saying. Besides shaw will not offer their Nitro/Warp to my place but Optik Turbo is available here and I havent really been all that impressed with Shaw's performance during some days.

[TOS'd]

Just talked to shaw tech support. I'll post what the guy said to me, some stuff may be old news to some. Also some explanations from him may be the typical bs response. Anyways,

I asked about getting the modem usage feature online so I can check my usage:
We used to be able to do that with the old tool but we upgraded our tools and we've lost that functionality for now as the new upgrades are pending.
the new one can't be added and the old one has been removed. But everyone should be upgraded soon

When do you get charged for going over your cap:
You need to go over your usage two consecutive months and then if the third month goes over you'll be on Usage Based Billing. So if you see a usage graph on your bill then it'll take a couple months before any actual charges are applied

About the reduced bandwidth cap:
Well what happened is we did an increase and realized when we acquired our new bandwidth tools half way through that it was over reporting. Customers actually used less than we thought so we realized changing the bandwidth might relay the wrong message and people may start using more usage or trying to "use up" their allotted bandwidth. We realized that this decision had to be rescinded to manage the business better so they decided at the 6 month mark it would be changed back. It does sort of suck that it was done so close to the Usage Based Billing inception but we figured we might as well rip the bandaide off now rather than wait any longer which would cause even more upset. We basically anticipated that there'd be poor reception to this, but it had to be done. One of the negative things too is that in response to this, Telus upped their limits for no other reason to remain competitive with us so we sort of shot ourselves in the foot

At the end of the day though, not a lot of customers really go over their limits and Usage Based Billing was coming regardless of any shifting in our packages. We're making sure to work with customers and we actually pushed back the UBB charges for people in Edmonton that received UBB before all the other Shaw markets. So we're doing our best to make sure the negative impact is minimized. And so far the reception has been really good, other than the initial shock, confusion, upset, etc

I mentioned using my router bandwidth logs to determine if I am over or under my cap:
Our usage is showing even lower, I believe we actually round down some of the usage so what we report is modest in comparison to routers. Also, we do it by billing cycle and not monthly. I use DDWRT firmware and monitored mine and found that it reports higher than what I see at work as well

What are my options in the future since I am constantly going over my 100GB cap:
you can add a data pack which will can offset that. It's $5 for 10GB, $20 for 60GB and $50 for 250GB if you anticipate that you'll be over. Also, we're being liberal and courteous and doing things like adding these data packs and backdating them for people that go over and missed the memo, or had trouble with their monitoring tools, etc. So we're basically telling people that there shouldn't be a huge amount of shock and upset and if there is, we'll help where we can. We're doing this on a case by case basis so I can pretty much assure you that there shouldn't be too much trouble if and when you are billed

[FiveDime]

To all of you who still don't understand what UBB is all about. Bell's on demand service charges $6.99 PER MOVIE, NetFlix is $7.99 UNLIMITED PER MONTH. That is all. Older movies on Bell still run at $4.99 per.

Now available to Canadians:

* Boxee
* AppleTV
* NetFlix
* NHL Gamecenter Live (all other major sports leagues provide similar services)
* Google TV (coming soon...)
* iTunes
* PS3 store
* Xbox store

All of these will impact your bandwidth. By Bell imposing ridiculously low caps and further charging per GB, you will not be able to afford these services (meanwhile Bell's on demand and Internet TV services will magically not count against your cap). This is an obvious financial disincentive to prevent you from accessing these services. If everything were on equal footing, then the cheapest service would win out, wouldn't it?

Great comment by Graysdir to those hating on Netflix (yes, we all realize that Netflix is in its infancy and that the selection sucks):

Netflix has been adding new titles weekly.

But with UBB in place, Netflix will never have a chance to grow. Therein lies the problem. With 25-60GB caps with our ISPs, Netflix won't have enough subscribers to be able to afford to buy new content. Exactly what Shaw is hoping for.

I've heard rumors that Hulu was considering coming to Canada, but now that UBB is in place, they are reconsidering, because with these caps, it makes web video unavailable to the average Canadian internet user.

Seriously, how do you expect there to be any form of competition if Canadians won't have the bandwidth available to access these services? From a business sense, these services will just overlook Canada. It's not just about today, it's also about tomorrow.

Not available to Canadians, but may one day be:

* Amazon On Demand
* Hulu
* Roku

The reason many of us Canadians don't even know about these products is because we have not yet been exposed to them. The second you actually see the type of content that our American counterparts have access to, a lightbulb goes off and you begin to question, "why don't I have access to these services?" It's a beautiful tragedy thanks to the likes of the CRTC and Bell.

The sad part is that they are killing more than just our access to Internet TV by attempting to limit our Internet in the ways that they have/are.

Case in point:


You know what else? Skype, streaming radio, Facetime will be impacted as well. Open Source, cloud computing, steam, console/pc video games and even app stores (ever use your wifi to avoid the high price cell data use?). and just forget filling your house with smart appliances. UBB is going to put us behind the rest of the world in content delivery of all kinds.

[Soundy]

^All good points by FiveDime.

Keep in mind, it's not quite as terrible as it sounds: according to Netflix, streaming uses about 1GB/hr for SD, 1.5GB/hr in HD. You'd have to be wasting a LOT of time in front of the tube for it to become a problem.

Skype, streaming radio and Facetime bandwidth are negligible by comparison. As an example: a friend of mine decided to see if he could rack up to his 6GB iPhone data plan a while back, so he played streaming videos (YouTube mostly) constantly for two weeks... and barely scratched 500MB. He ended up dropping his plan to a 2GB limit and still comes nowhere close to it.

[goo3]

Remember there was a time when network providers disabled wifi on your phone cuz they wanted you to pay for data instead..

[Vulcan300]

You need to go over your usage two consecutive months and then if the third month goes over you'll be on Usage Based Billing. So if you see a usage graph on your bill then it'll take a couple months before any actual charges are applied

I wonder if this is true so that you can just go over 1 month and under the next and over again the next so you don't get put on UBB

[RC0310_EJ]

Just switched over to Telus.. signed 2 year contract and got $200 gift card to use on Telus Mobility Phones.. :D

[qwertyuiop]

http://openmedia.ca/news/openmediaca-crtc%E2%80%99s-half-measure-fails-safeguard-future-internet

:failed: Fucking CRTC!

[Soundy]

Just switched over to Telus.. signed 2 year contract and got $200 gift card to use on Telus Mobility Phones.. :D

You're gonna love being locked into that contract when Telus starts enforcing caps and overage charges too...

[GrapeDrink]

^All good points by FiveDime.

Keep in mind, it's not quite as terrible as it sounds: according to Netflix, streaming uses about 1GB/hr for SD, 1.5GB/hr in HD. You'd have to be wasting a LOT of time in front of the tube for it to become a problem.

Skype, streaming radio and Facetime bandwidth are negligible by comparison. As an example: a friend of mine decided to see if he could rack up to his 6GB iPhone data plan a while back, so he played streaming videos (YouTube mostly) constantly for two weeks... and barely scratched 500MB. He ended up dropping his plan to a 2GB limit and still comes nowhere close to it.

are you kidding me? I don't have a data plan on my phone so I'm not sure if its the same but I was tracking my own usage(PC) by watching music videos and etc to see how much bandwidth it would use and on average a 4-5 min MV @ 480P quality was using 40-50MB per video. I mean for the casual user of course the 60GB limit is not going to mean anything to them but you have to realize files are getting bigger and bigger as quality goes up. I mean just taking me for example I'm a big tv shows guy and I am always busy when they are on so I download/stream them later on instead and a regular 40 minute episode is 350MB for standard quality and 1GB for 720p. You can see how that all adds up quite quickly. I mean we will basically be working with 2GB a day and if you have another person in the household that uses the internet too then you are basically shit out of luck.

[Carl Johnson]

Been with Shaw for who knows how long now. Just checked secure.shaw.ca and notice that my 2010 November usage was 230GB, December was 200GB. 2 weeks into my current billing cycle I am at 100GB already. Fuuuuu.... so how come the big change all of the sudden? Was the old meter incorrect or the new one just overtracking my usage?

[TOS'd]

^ Did you have the old monitoring system?

This is bullshit. I talked to two ppl from tech support and both won't/can't give me the new monitoring system enabled on my account. I never had the old one either. They keep saying, oh its only for ppl in Edmonton that have it, which is bullshit cause all you guys have it too.

[clowe]

Been with Shaw for who knows how long now. Just checked secure.shaw.ca and notice that my 2010 November usage was 230GB, December was 200GB. 2 weeks into my current billing cycle I am at 100GB already. Fuuuuu.... so how come the big change all of the sudden? Was the old meter incorrect or the new one just overtracking my usage?

The old usage tracker used to show ~40gb/month for my account, but the tracker was like Swiss cheese for me, every other day didn't register on it, so that one was probably under-tracked.

The new one shows that I'm at 110gb with 10 days left in my billing cycle :evil

[qwertyuiop]

Write your MPs, spread it around through email, facebook, twitter, etc. Whatever it takes to get the uninformed to understand what the impact will be for all Canadians. Seems many people are saying "so, I don't go over the limit anyways so it doesn't affect me" well tell them to STFU and educate them. Maybe they like living in a backwards country with corporate monopolies but I sure as hell don't.

[RC0310_EJ]

You're gonna love being locked into that contract when Telus starts enforcing caps and overage charges too...

I average around 200-ish GB/month..

my monthly cap with Telus Optik High Speed Turbo is 250GB/month..

I think I'll be alright.. and we don't watch TV much.. mostly BT or stream

Shaw just doesn't offer the package I'm looking for.. I don't need faster speed.. just a higher cap that's affordable.

[FiveDime]

Write your MPs, spread it around through email, facebook, twitter, etc. Whatever it takes to get the uninformed to understand what the impact will be for all Canadians. Seems many people are saying "so, I don't go over the limit anyways so it doesn't affect me" well tell them to STFU and educate them. Maybe they like living in a backwards country with corporate monopolies but I sure as hell don't.



I wrote my MP(libby davies) and she wrote me back.


Dear Chris,



Thanks for your email about the CRTC’s recent approval of Usage Based Billing for internet services – I agree, it’s an outrageous decision and as you suggest, undermines ‘net neutrality’ in Canada. I have shown my support for reform of internet usage billing policies by signing the openmedia.ca petition last Fall and trying to raise awareness about this issue through my Twitter and Facebook pages.



My colleagues Charlie Angus (Digital Issues Critic), and Brian Masse (Industry Critic), are carefully following this issue and I am confident they will be following up on this issue when Parliament resumes at the end of January. I have also attached our most recent press release on the issue.



Thanks for taking the time to write me about this important issue. Please don’t hesitate to contact me with future concerns about federal issues.



Sincerely,



Libby



Heres my original email (please excuse the spelling)


Hello,

I'm a resident in your riding and I wanted to send this email about a few issues i have with Usage Based Billing and Net Neutrality in Canada.

I feel like the Canadian telecom industry is falling behind on the international scene because of CRTC corruption and the anti-competitive nature of Rogers and Bell's oligopoly. As Canadians we are paying more for less. We endure poor internet price points and poor cell phone price points, the regulation of which is all derived from two main corporations (Rogers and Bell). We need more competition to spark more innovation and provide better price:service ratios. Canadians will not be able to compete on a global scale with a corrupt and archaic telecom infrastructure.

We pay a lot more per mbps than many other countries, yet we get lower speeds, we get tethered, and we have all kinds of bandwidth restrictions. Meanwhile, Canada is known as a very affluent nation when it comes to internet use, how come we don't have the technology to foster this?

Personally i don't under stand the recent allowance of Usage Based Billing to Canadians and how this beinfits Canadian Consumers and the people who use the internet on a daily basis. My work revolves around the internet and i see this as a step towards the end of Net Neutrality. Mean while these Companies complain that they need to implement UBB because it costs to much to upkeep the infrastructure they are building even though the Big 4 ISP's in Canada have had record profits in 2011.


The end of Net Neutrality is nere unless we can stop the CRTC from jumping on board with these companies. Net Neutrality is important because its the freedom of the internet and freedom of expression. THe internet is humanities way of connecting to one another and sharing ideas and information. If Net Neutrality end's i see a bleak future for the reasons listed.




I hope you get this message and i hope others have emailed you with the same concerns.



Thanks!

[qwertyuiop]

Excellent. I wrote my MP as well, I encourage you all to do the same. You can find all of them here along with their contact information: http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E

[Ch28]

I sent an email out to my MP (Bill Siksay) earlier today regarding the same issue.

Hope more of you do it so this issue gets pushed to the front.

[dangonay]

Libby Davies? Of course she will agree with you. She thinks people are "entitled" to shit for free without paying for your fair share. I wonder if the NDP campaigned for fast, cheap unlimited Internet how many of you would actually vote for them? The amount of money people pay for Internet/cable is such a small percentage of your total cost of living that it's laughable people whine about it while throwing huge money away on other things.
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[ForbiddenX]

Yea I finally got around to emailing Ujaal Dossanjh . Hope he gets it and they actually do something about it.

[ddr]

why won't they just fucking enable the new accurate tracker for everyone? so we can all go over limit and have them be 'nice' and give us some dumbass rate on it?

[kyoshiro]

I emailed to Richmond's Alice Wong
hopefully she gets it

[hoking]

I've consistantly gone over 300gb/month for the past 6months with Shaw, my cap says i have 100gb,.. I have yet to be charged for any over usage or warned??

[TOS'd]

I've consistantly gone over 300gb/month for the past 6months with Shaw, my cap says i have 100gb,.. I have yet to be charged for any over usage or warned??

Its not in effect yet.

[carisear]

man years ago i got my service cutoff from shaw for only using 85 gigs (with 60g plan) ... why the hell was i so special, and you guys not?!

[!MiKrofT]

I've consistantly gone over 300gb/month for the past 6months with Shaw, my cap says i have 100gb,.. I have yet to be charged for any over usage or warned??
You should really READ this thread. Already been mentioned that it doesn't start till February and you get 2 warnings before they start charging.

[!MiKrofT]

man years ago i got my service cutoff from shaw for only using 85 gigs (with 60g plan) ... why the hell was i so special, and you guys not?!
I've been disconnected in the past many many years ago back in the Rogers days. With shaw I did get a couple warnings but no disconnection. After I upgraded to extreme haven't had so much as a peep for years.

[goo3]

Libby Davies? Of course she will agree with you. She thinks people are "entitled" to shit for free without paying for your fair share. I wonder if the NDP campaigned for fast, cheap unlimited Internet how many of you would actually vote for them? The amount of money people pay for Internet/cable is such a small percentage of your total cost of living that it's laughable people whine about it while throwing huge money away on other things.
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I don't think ppl have a problem paying their fair share or even UBB under the right conditions. The real problem is:
1) They're an oligopoly.
2) They have an incentive to crowd out competing products like VoD in favor of their own (which is usually lower quality and more expensive).
3) Cloud services (like dropbox, etc) become collateral damage. This is where a lot cool new shit is gonna be coming from.. server farms.

[FiveDime]

Libby Davies? Of course she will agree with you. She thinks people are "entitled" to shit for free without paying for your fair share. I wonder if the NDP campaigned for fast, cheap unlimited Internet how many of you would actually vote for them? The amount of money people pay for Internet/cable is such a small percentage of your total cost of living that it's laughable people whine about it while throwing huge money away on other things.
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Get your head out of your ass.


Canada pays more than most countries in the world for mobile service and its getting to be the same for internet services aswell. Where do we draw the line as citizens? Personally i dont like monopolies doing money grabs, at the moment UBB is exactly that. I rely on the internet to do my job and i dont want to prices to skyrocket for no good reason.


And your damn rights, if any party sticks up for ME as a citizen and i would vote for them. No i didnt vote for Libby Davies but she represents my riding so yes im still going to voice my concern to her! Alot more than other people do... which is alot of bitching on the internet and getting nothing else done in the real world

[woob]

Netflix plans to publish statistics on best/worst ISPs:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20029728-261.html

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings said it is "inappropriate" for Internet service providers to require his company to pay all the costs of delivering streaming video to a subscriber's home, and tomorrow he plans to do something about it.

In a letter from Hastings to Netflix shareholders published today, he said it is only fair for ISPs to accept some of the financial burden since it is the ISPs' customers who have requested Netflix's content. Hastings made it clear that he hasn't received enough cooperation from ISPs.

In response, Netflix plans to publish statistics about which ISPs are best at delivering "the best, most-consistent high speed Internet for streaming Netflix."

If you're an executive at Charter Communications, you've got nothing to worry about. The only early tidbit Hastings revealed about tomorrow's post is that Charter was the top-performing ISP. But for bandwidth providers further down on the list, the disclosure could prove embarrassing. How much do you want to bet that some of the poorer-performing ISPs are the ones giving Netflix the hardest time about streaming costs?

Hastings wrote: "We think the cost sharing between Internet video suppliers and ISPs should be that we have to haul the bits to the various regional front-doors that the ISPs operate, and that they then carry the bits the last mile to the consumer who has requested them, with each side paying its own costs."

In the letter, Hastings said he hoped to get some "voluntary agreement" on the issue. Following that, he lowered the boom and disclosed the plans to publish the performance list. Netflix's message was that either ISPs pay their fair share, or they're in for a fight.

A move like this is out of character for Netflix. Typically, the company isn't a street brawler.

It's rare for executives to go public with a disagreement, and they've been in plenty of them over the years; with film studios, Blockbuster, various partners. Taking this spat public is a sign that Netflix hasn't managed to budge some of the bigger ISPs on the issue and that the company may now be more willing to flex its muscles.

Netflix is riding a wave of consumer interest. Hastings said today that for the quarter ending December 31, the company added 3 million new subscribers while rocketing past earnings expectations.

In a public relations battle, Netflix is going to be tough to beat. This is the company that did away with the dreaded late fees for video rentals and was first to offer a compelling Web-streaming service, one that enables viewers to watch thousands of titles for only $7.99 a month.

Much of the public consider that a better deal than traditional rental stores offer. When compared to pay TV services, a growing number of people argue Netflix wins there too, providing more bang for the buck.

So, we'll see if Netflix can get its way on this issue. We'll post Netflix's ISP list as soon as it goes up.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20029728-261.html#ixzz1CGpwrqEr

[Manic!]

heard on news 1130 that if someone on telus constantly goes over they will be charged extra.

Won't matter with people on Optik because Telus cant measure there bandwidth yet.

[dangonay]

Get your head out of your ass.


Canada pays more than most countries in the world for mobile service and its getting to be the same for internet services aswell. Where do we draw the line as citizens? Personally i dont like monopolies doing money grabs, at the moment UBB is exactly that. I rely on the internet to do my job and i dont want to prices to skyrocket for no good reason.


And your damn rights, if any party sticks up for ME as a citizen and i would vote for them. No i didnt vote for Libby Davies but she represents my riding so yes im still going to voice my concern to her! Alot more than other people do... which is alot of bitching on the internet and getting nothing else done in the real world
Boo hoo. So we pay more than many other countries for Internet access. We also pay way less for other services as well. Why aren't you all off bitching about oil/gas prices? The amount your expenses have increased in recent years if you drive a vehicle makes these internet charges seem like chump change. It's all a matter of perspective - I don't see Interent as costing me enough money to feel the need to do something about it.

You still with hostway or have you moved on? What exactly does this do to make things more difficult/expensive for your job? I wonder, are you going to vote NDP because they will save you personally $50 per month on Internet fees, or Conservative because they will save your company (employer) $10,000 per month in taxes? Which political party will actually benefit you more overall, not just in one specific area? I never ask people their affiliations, but I wonder who you voted for in the past and what specific reasons you had (like most people, myself included, it would probably be the party that benefits you financially the most).

The United Nations proposed that Internet access should be a basic human right. I agree 100%. The Internet is pretty much becoming a necessity for anyone looking for work, trying to get an education, do research or even communicate with others. But The United Nations didn't say watching HD entertainment over the Internet was a basic human right. You wanna use it for entertainment, you gotta pay, IMO.


And Netlix is so-so, IMO. Tried it for 2 months and there wasn't much I wanted to watch I hadn't already seen. The concept is great, though, and I found the execution of their service to be first rate. I kept it for my kids, but I won't use it much.

What I wish Netflix would do is offer various premium services and packages. I would gladly pay $29.99 or $39.99 a month for all the latest TV shows and movies. No more having to set the PVR to record a show I wanted to watch - just stream it when I feel like watching. This is obviously the way TV will be done in the near future. Then I'd drop Shaw for TV, upgrade my data plan and switch to Netflix (or maybe some future competitor) for all my viewing needs.

[ForbiddenX]

FiveDime already mentioned the reasons as to why Netflix is only soso. We also don't get a lot of the services that's available in the states.



What I wish Netflix would do is offer various premium services and packages. I would gladly pay $29.99 or $39.99 a month for all the latest TV shows and movies. No more having to set the PVR to record a show I wanted to watch - just stream it when I feel like watching. This is obviously the way TV will be done in the near future. Then I'd drop Shaw for TV, upgrade my data plan and switch to Netflix (or maybe some future competitor) for all my viewing needs.
This is exactly why Shaw is enforcing these caps now.

[Soundy]

This is exactly why Shaw is enforcing these caps now.

Shaw, Bell, Rogers, et al. are enforcing caps now because they're allowed to now, since the CRTC changed the regulations. They would have enforced them a decade ago if they could have. Everyone jumping ship for Telus and locking into long-term contracts is in for a shock when Telus follows suit - you better read that fine print because I guarantee you it will include a clause that allows them to change and enforce caps with little or no notice.

[ForbiddenX]

Sure they're allowed to now. It's cause they pushed for it to get passed by the CRTC. Imagine if Netflix decided to stay out of Canada, do you think we'd be in this situation?

They are business and all they care about in the first place is money. Screw over everyone and make money while they're at it.

Just take a look at how the mobile market has changed because the CRTC allowed other companies to play. When could you even get close to unlimited everything for $40 without Wind/Mobilicity? That would've costed an arm and a leg without them.

It may seem like Telus is the option to go to now, but like what's been said in this thread is that they can't find a way to put a meter on the bandwidth. I think it's cause the TV data is being sent on the same line and it'll be hard to differentiate between TV and the internet.

This is kind of a bad analogy but think about them putting a cap on your TV? How would you feel about that? I know not everyone watches TV but that's the only thing I can think of right now. Like a new channel comes out that plays new releases of movies regularly, shaw doesn't like this so they put a cap on how much TV a month you could watch and them charging you extra for each 30minute interval of TV you watch.

[Spectre_Cdn]

So was looking at my bandwidth usage through Shaw last night, and I was at 13.3gb after 4 days into my billing period. Today, within 24 hours, my usage was up to 14.8gb... and I haven't been online for the past 20 hours. Is it likely someone is piggybacking on my wireless connection? My router is using WPA-PSK with an 18-digit key.

[Soundy]

It may seem like Telus is the option to go to now, but like what's been said in this thread is that they can't find a way to put a meter on the bandwidth. I think it's cause the TV data is being sent on the same line and it'll be hard to differentiate between TV and the internet.
I don't believe that for a second. It would be ridiculously easy for them to differentiate, the easiest way would probably be to read the data logs from the TV box(es) to see how much data they're using, and subtract that from the total. There are a half-dozen other ways to do it as well - look up SNMP, for example.

[illicitstylz]

So was looking at my bandwidth usage through Shaw last night, and I was at 13.3gb after 4 days into my billing period. Today, within 24 hours, my usage was up to 14.8gb... and I haven't been online for the past 20 hours. Is it likely someone is piggybacking on my wireless connection? My router is using WPA-PSK with an 18-digit key.


login to your router's wireless login.
check which mac addresses are connected to your wireless.

[Soundy]

Check your router's logs, too... I've seen my router filter brute-force attacks trying to find and login to an FTP server or even to the router admin page, and that can generate a lot of traffic.

[Manic!]

I don't believe that for a second. It would be ridiculously easy for them to differentiate, the easiest way would probably be to read the data logs from the TV box(es) to see how much data they're using, and subtract that from the total. There are a half-dozen other ways to do it as well - look up SNMP, for example.

They can't do that yet.

[ForbiddenX]

Yea you're right Soundy. Sooner or later they'll implement it but I guess for now Telus is riding this shaw is going to screw us over train until people switching over die down and then BAM they pull the switch too.

Unless you know our petitions, emails, letters, and calls actually do something and maybe things will change.

[goo3]

They can't do that yet.

They just don't want to.

They'd be one shitty company if they didn't know how much data their TV servers were sending out. How else are they gonna manage capacity? They probably just don't wanna bother tracking data usage for each and every household unless you're a problem.

Even you can see everything that's being sent over your network: http://www.wireshark.org/

random youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlc0Wwnwxrs

[Soundy]

They can't do that yet.

You keep on believing that. SNMP would tell them everything they need to know, and it's a technology nearly as old as the Internet itself - we were learning about it in a training course 20 years ago. Shaw's cable modems support it... their HD cable boxes support it... Telus's DSL modems support it... I guarantee you Telus's Optik boxes support it.

[Soundy]

Yea you're right Soundy. Sooner or later they'll implement it but I guess for now Telus is riding this shaw is going to screw us over train until people switching over die down and then BAM they pull the switch too.

Unless you know our petitions, emails, letters, and calls actually do something and maybe things will change.

The thing that gets me is everyone rushing over from Shaw to Telus... and signing into a contract. Three months down the road, if or WHEN Telus goes the same route, all those people will be screwed even worse because they'll now be stuck with Telus' pricing for two years or more.

[ForbiddenX]

Yea, they're internet isn't at all bad. It's just that their service is terrible. Only reason why my dad doesn't want to switch over.

Things can still change though... hopefully.

[Spectre_Cdn]

login to your router's wireless login.
check which mac addresses are connected to your wireless.

Check your router's logs, too... I've seen my router filter brute-force attacks trying to find and login to an FTP server or even to the router admin page, and that can generate a lot of traffic.

Thanks guys, I'll look into once I figure out the router's menus.

[Soundy]

What router is it?

[Spectre_Cdn]

An old D-link DI-524.

So far I looked at the "Dynamic DHCP Client list", and my two computers are listed. There's a third client without a host name in the list, which I've tested to be my phone. Is this sufficient to figure out whether there's another user accessing the router? I just cleared the log and made note of my computer's MAC addresses, so I can monitor that in the next little while too.

[Soundy]

That should be sufficient, yes... although I've seen with a lot of routers (not just D-Links) where the DHCP client list doesn't update immediately, so there are sometimes machines connected that don't show right away. However, there should also be a page that will list the wireless clients connected (DHCP table lists hardwire-connected machines as well).

There should also be a page where you can specify only listed MAC addresses that are allowed to connect... turn that feature on and put your machines in the list and that should help prevent unauthorized connections as well.

Ultimately, no router can be made 100% secure, but with a combination of steps, you can minimize the chances.

[kchan]

safest way, is limit the amount of IP address that can be issued.
In my household theres only 2 laptops, iphone, and ps3 that would need to connect to my net, thus i only issue ip address from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.5

and if a friend wants to connect onto my network, i simply turn off one of my connected devices or just change it from 1.5 to 1.6

[eFx[A2C]]

Are you able to limit how much bandwidth/speed a computer can get from the connection ? I have a linksys WRT54G v5 which isn't supported by tomato, any other recommendations on custom firmware ?

[willystyle]

^ DD-WRT supports it.

[Soundy]

safest way, is limit the amount of IP address that can be issued.
In my household theres only 2 laptops, iphone, and ps3 that would need to connect to my net, thus i only issue ip address from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.5

and if a friend wants to connect onto my network, i simply turn off one of my connected devices or just change it from 1.5 to 1.6

"Safest"? Hardly. That adds only the faintest bit of security, because it doesn't limit the IPs that can connect, only the ones that are issued by the DHCP server. I could manually set my IP to 192.168.1.anything-from-2-to-253 and connect to your network, unless you're actually filtering IPs. And even at that, I could set my IP to one within your range, and knock one of your machines off the network.

[W2K]

;7282787']Are you able to limit how much bandwidth/speed a computer can get from the connection ? I have a linksys WRT54G v5 which isn't supported by tomato, any other recommendations on custom firmware ?

Only DD-WRT SE (the paid version) supports individual MAC address bandwidth limit. The regular one supports a pooled bandwidth limit between all users.
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[Psykopathik]

if i gotta pay more for using more, they better reduce my bill when i don't use the net.

[tgill]

A good video to pass along to the less knowledgeable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUsRCyS6PU

[underscore]

What a bloody joke this is. I am out word.

also dagonay, you're a fucking moron.

[kyoshiro]

my PM didnt reply me personally, but the office told me this:

Thank you for your e-mail. Parliament does not accept or reject these types of applications - the authority is delegated from Parilament to the CRTC via the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Act, the Broadcasting Act, and the Telecommunications Act. As such, I highly encourage you to give your opinions on the matter to the commission as that is the proper venue to voice your statement of concern.



We do want to thank you for contacting our office, and hope things are more clear and that you have a better understanding as well, that Parliament does not have any jurisdiction in the this matter and therefore we can only assist you by pointing you in the right direction. By contacting the people who have the power to affect these decisions and make these changes, hopefully you and others will get some redress for your grievance.

[Great68]

my PM didnt reply me personally, but the office told me this:

What a bunch of bullshit. Is your MP a conservative?

Parliament can overrule anything if they want, they're the fucking government.

I'd write back and say "What the fuck did I elect you for if you can't represent your constituent's interests?".

[Manic!]

What a bunch of bullshit. Is your MP a conservative?

Parliament can overrule anything if they want, they're the fucking government.

I'd write back and say "What the fuck did I elect you for if you can't represent your constituent's interests?".

No they can't. If that was the case they could over rule any supreme court decision.

[kyoshiro]

yea conservative it seems, fucking richmond

[elbee]

Im not sure how much data i use per month but i play COD, stream tv shows which are 300-500mb each per episode, and download movies at times. So i guess ill be expecting a letter and i guess ill be calling up TELUS to install their service.

Shaw is just being greedy, no way their infrastructure is being worked. They just want to bank off streaming video to make up for the losses in TV. Its very unfair and anyone who supports this, I WILL FIGHT YOU!

[ForbiddenX]

you can fight dangonay lol.

I mean they raise their caps for a bit and then lower it back then charge for going over.

What's the email we're supposed to be sending our emails too? I'll just forward/copy the one I sent to my MP. Haven't gotten a reply back.

Maybe he's afraid of going over his cap so he's not checking his emails :troll:

[Tapioca]

Instead of being lazy about it, send a real letter (snail mail) to your MP, and send one to the head of the CRTC too. Continue to send them and make sure that your friends send them too (postage is free.)

[deep87]

http://www.antiubb.com/ has sample letters and other methods of action

http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/letter to the editor, canada wide campaign

[qwertyuiop]

Just checked stopthemeter.ca and it's at almost 160000 signatures! Quadrupled in a week!

[way2quik]

teksavvy is now following Bell and Shaw in this bandwidth catastrophe starting March 1.
http://news.google.ca/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=ca&ncl=dEChZe8qFJQmmXMvTO8BDG_LFQcXM&topic=t

From 200GB to 25GB a month. Seriously?
Makes me think twice before switching to Telus. Now, it is a matter of when Telus will start enforcing.

[!MiKrofT]

wtf. So much for having Teksavvy as a backup plan.

Oh hmm it says for customers up to 5mbps. what about higher packages like 15 and 25mbps

[dayton08]

Was just searching the telus and shaw site(which they seem to re-do the website overnight)..


found this

Every Business One Enhanced Bundle includes:

TELUS Managed High Speed Internet for Business with unlimited usage, and an industry leading service level agreement


But no pricing..? does anybody know how much this is a month?

http://telus.com/en_CA/BC/products/Small_Business/bundles/bcSmbBusinessOneEnhancedWest.html

[ForbiddenX]

Be careful for Telus' "unlimited usage"

Telus is advertising "unlimited usage" as unlimited hours on the internet which is just plain stupid. I'll post the link when I get home but it's right in their FAQ.

Don't fall for these tricks.

[qwertyuiop]

Tony Clement weighs in on internet billing:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/clement-weighs-in-on-internet-billing/article1889321/

[!MiKrofT]

Was just searching the telus and shaw site(which they seem to re-do the website overnight)..


found this

Every Business One Enhanced Bundle includes:

TELUS Managed High Speed Internet for Business with unlimited usage, and an industry leading service level agreement


But no pricing..? does anybody know how much this is a month?

http://telus.com/en_CA/BC/products/Small_Business/bundles/bcSmbBusinessOneEnhancedWest.html
Business accounts are usually pretty expensive.. sometimes double or triple as they also have to start guaranteeing uptimes and availability.

[Culverin]

Hmmm...

So with the Big guys and now Teksavvy charging for overages, is there anybody else we can fall back on to use as leverage against these guys?