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FS1992EG
06-24-2014, 04:54 PM
I'm hoping for Sam Bennett.

Ch28
06-24-2014, 05:11 PM
Bergeron for Selke and Rask for Veins

Bruins FTW!

Hondaracer
06-24-2014, 05:21 PM
Would be finally migrating towards a North American core

6o4__boi
06-24-2014, 05:35 PM
I'm hoping for Sam Bennett.


blew my mind when i found out he couldn't do a pull up lol



I somehow doubt Chicago would give up TT or Saad...man, all these rumours and speculations, I can't wait til the draft. Better not be a letdown.

UFO
06-24-2014, 05:59 PM
I hope this new regime aren't making moves for the sake of making THEIR mark on the team. Seems kind of unnecessary to make such a push to move up to #1 pick this year in a draft with so many question marks

highfive
06-24-2014, 06:00 PM
Wouldn't but surprised if saad is offered. I don't think hawks can sign him next year with toews and Kane kicking into ufa.

FS1992EG
06-24-2014, 06:02 PM
blew my mind when i found out he couldn't do a pull up lol



I somehow doubt Chicago would give up TT or Saad...man, all these rumours and speculations, I can't wait til the draft. Better not be a letdown.

If you think about it. It's a testament for someone who can't do a pull up to be top 3 in the 2014 draft.

To me, I think Bennett's potential is higher than Ekblad's or Reinhart's potential.

If the Canucks can pull off a 3 way deal.

Van: Saad, TT, and 1st pick 2014
Chicago: Kesler and Florida's 32nd
Florida: Tanev, 6th pick and 36th pick and Chicago's 27th pick

But giving up Saad and TT might be pushing it.

6o4__boi
06-24-2014, 06:24 PM
That's one way of looking at it. It just really caught me off guard because i always assume that these prospects are up there in terms of strength.


Lol Chicago would be stupid to give up Saad and TT...as much as i'd like that, the only way i see this happening is in NHL 15

FS1992EG
06-24-2014, 06:32 PM
That's one way of looking at it. It just really caught me off guard because i always assume that these prospects are up there in terms of strength.


Lol Chicago would be stupid to give up Saad and TT...as much as i'd like that, the only way i see this happening is in NHL 15

As much as you think it won't happen.

Bowman has a smaller and smaller window to win another cup.Cruising with the Toews/Kane wave for another couple of years or bet on Saad/ Shaw/ Teravainen will be Chicago's future.

So it's win now, or stay a contender 5 years from now.

I think the 3 cup win for Chicago would be mean open season for the youngest to be brought into the fold.

6o4__boi
06-24-2014, 07:06 PM
Bowman has a smaller and smaller window to win another cup.Cruising with the Toews/Kane wave for another couple of years or bet on Saad/ Shaw/ Teravainen will be Chicago's future.



nah, brah. you make it seem like Toews and Kane are getting old. Kane is 25 and Toews is 26, they can cruise with those two guys for at least four more years if not more. Bowman's window to win another and then another cup is sitting pretty for a long while even if he does nothing major in the offseason

Mike Oxbig
06-24-2014, 07:09 PM
Toews and Kane are the best hockey duo in this generation., they'll probably win 3 more cups together

Ludepower
06-24-2014, 07:14 PM
Bergeron for Selke and Rask for Veins

Bruins FTW!

Patrick Roy - Coach of the year
Nathan Mckinnon - Rookie of the year
Ryan O'reily - Sportsman for the year

Avs FTW! :)

FS1992EG
06-24-2014, 07:23 PM
nah, brah. you make it seem like Toews and Kane are getting old. Kane is 25 and Toews is 26, they can cruise with those two guys for at least four more years if not more. Bowman's window to win another and then another cup is sitting pretty for a long while even if he does nothing major in the offseason

Actually, that wasn't what I was saying.

Kane has an option of leaving Chicago and Toews can leave Chicago too.

You make it seem like Toews/Kane are a lock in Chicago for the rest of their careers. I don't think Kane will stay if Chicago doesn't provide a legit #2 center for him to play with.

dbaz
06-24-2014, 07:28 PM
If you think about it. It's a testament for someone who can't do a pull up to be top 3 in the 2014 draft.

To me, I think Bennett's potential is higher than Ekblad's or Reinhart's potential.

If the Canucks can pull off a 3 way deal.

Van: Saad, TT, and 1st pick 2014
Chicago: Kesler and Florida's 32nd
Florida: Tanev, 6th pick and 36th pick and Chicago's 27th pick

But giving up Saad and TT might be pushing it.

no way in hell we get that much

Harvey Specter
06-24-2014, 08:01 PM
I knew something was off about Cuba Gooding Jr.at the NHL awards, lol;

https://vine.co/v/MtvMpvei62j

https://vine.co/v/MtvOrarqler

Cuba Gooding Jr Drunk at 2014 NHL Awards (HD) - YouTube

CPE
06-24-2014, 08:04 PM
Actually, that wasn't what I was saying.

Kane has an option of leaving Chicago and Toews can leave Chicago too.

You make it seem like Toews/Kane are a lock in Chicago for the rest of their careers. I don't think Kane will stay if Chicago doesn't provide a legit #2 center for him to play with.

Kesler and Kane are bffs...

Mike Oxbig
06-24-2014, 08:39 PM
Actually, that wasn't what I was saying.

Kane has an option of leaving Chicago and Toews can leave Chicago too.

You make it seem like Toews/Kane are a lock in Chicago for the rest of their careers. I don't think Kane will stay if Chicago doesn't provide a legit #2 center for him to play with.

Chicago is one of the craziest hockey/sports town in North America. If Toews and Kane stay in Chicago through out their entire career, they will be going down as one of the greatest players ever played next to Lemieux, Yzerman, Sakic, Howe, etc.

Maybe they will go back to their hometown and try to win one there.

UFO
06-24-2014, 11:16 PM
Chicago is one of the craziest hockey/sports town in North America.

Easy to say that now, but just only a decade ago Chicago's rink wasn't selling out and the team stunk.

The issue is how to keep Kane/Toews when they become UFA's AND keep the crop of up and coming talent signed up after their entry level deals expire. If the Sedins were able to sign 4 years at 7M per in the declining stages of their careers, you can bet Kane/Toews are going to cash in as they enter the primes of their careers and UFA status

Mike Oxbig
06-24-2014, 11:24 PM
The old Blackhawks owner was an asshole trying to take advantage of the fan base by not broadcasting games making them PPV as we call it.

Any super Blackhawks fan here? I wonder Hull/Mikkita or Toews/Kane is a better duo?

Tim Budong
06-24-2014, 11:26 PM
Dregger is reporting that Toews/Kane could be making 10-12mil each

VIDEOHUB (http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=387053)

kinda steep. but I hear guys like sharp are on the market
haha

UFO
06-24-2014, 11:27 PM
PPV was not uncommon back in the day though. I recall Canucks did it too. I'd be surprised if there were any teams that didn't do it. Back then I don't even think 50% of Canucks games were broadcast on TV

stuff99
06-25-2014, 01:02 AM
I don't get why some consider Tanev untouchable...I'd trade any of our Ds for the first overall pick.

quasi
06-25-2014, 05:26 AM
PPV was not uncommon back in the day though. I recall Canucks did it too. I'd be surprised if there were any teams that didn't do it. Back then I don't even think 50% of Canucks games were broadcast on TV

In the early 2000's if my memory serves me right you were lucky if more then 1 in 5 Canuck's regular season games was televised.

I believe in Chicago it was home games that were not televised and you're right Wirtz wasn't the only one out there doing it many believe it somehow put butts in the seats but the reality is the only thing that does that is winning. The BC Lions did it as well, don't think they do anymore but home games were blacked out for the longest time.

411ken
06-25-2014, 08:01 AM
Adam Proteau ‏@Proteautype 2m

Oilers sign Nikita Nikitin to two-year, $9-million deal. NHL's mediocre UFA players to demand trades only to Edmonton from this point on.

stuff99
06-25-2014, 08:04 AM
@News1130Sports
Have learned the #Canucks have called the agent for UFA Dave Bolland. General talks have taken place.

@News1130Sports
The Bolland camp won't do anything with Vancouver until they resolve the Ryan Kesler situation.

6o4__boi
06-25-2014, 08:13 AM
@News1130Sports
Have learned the #Canucks have called the agent for UFA Dave Bolland. General talks have taken place.

@News1130Sports
The Bolland camp won't do anything with Vancouver until they resolve the Ryan Kesler situation.

makes sense...doubt anything major will happen until the floodgates open at the draft.

Ch28
06-25-2014, 08:20 AM
No thanks to Bolland. He's played ~50 games over the past 2 seasons combined

OGCStrike
06-25-2014, 08:22 AM
if kes is gone. stastny pls :accepted:

7seven
06-25-2014, 08:26 AM
Bolland wanted somewhere around $5mil per for 7 years from the Leafs. Wouldn't want him at that price nor term, he's a 3rd line center ideally

411ken
06-25-2014, 08:31 AM
Would the sedins want bolland here :P

411ken
06-25-2014, 08:33 AM
No thanks to Bolland. He's played ~50 games over the past 2 seasons combined

to be fair...the other season was a shortened season lol :badpokerface:

but ya..I'd rather sign Ryan Malone for CHEAP (Even for 1 year) if possible as he just got bought out

jeedee
06-25-2014, 08:52 AM
Bolland as the replacement for Kesler? :heckno:

Hope the Canucks target and sign Steve Ott. Drafted by Benning in Buffalo and coached by Desjardins when he was as assistant in Dallas, so the connection is there

Great faceoff and bottom 6 player

murd0c
06-25-2014, 08:54 AM
all I know is I'm so excited, when ever someone posts in this thread I hope its some new juicy Canucks trade info.

dbaz
06-25-2014, 09:02 AM
to be fair...the other season was a shortened season lol :badpokerface:

but ya..I'd rather sign Ryan Malone for CHEAP (Even for 1 year) if possible as he just got bought out

pretty sure hes still banned and on substance abuse program. players who go to roxy end up bad enough, speeding around high on coke is another problem

6o4__boi
06-25-2014, 09:03 AM
Bolland as the replacement for Kesler? :heckno:

Hope the Canucks target and sign Steve Ott. Drafted by Benning in Buffalo and coached by Desjardins when he was as assistant in Dallas, so the connection is there

Great faceoff and bottom 6 player

hhaha had the same reaction. Bolland in Van? fuck that...he's crazy for asking that much term, only place he'll end up is on a team looking to get to the cap floor.

I'd rather take my chances with Malone and his coke habit for a year.

Hondaracer
06-25-2014, 09:36 AM
Malone playing in the west? Lol ya no thanks

highfive
06-25-2014, 09:40 AM
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun now

I believe that Gaborik's 7-yr deal is worth around $4.9 M or $5 M a year. I am working to confirm.

Damn...how the hell does the Kings have all that cap space?

Grandmaster TSE
06-25-2014, 10:08 AM
good price for him overall

murd0c
06-25-2014, 10:16 AM
wow that's a steal for him

highfive
06-25-2014, 10:31 AM
News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports 2m

#Canucks have called 2 big names UFA's today - Dave Bolland and Ryan Miller.

Apparently we called Miller too?

murd0c is right, I'm pretty excited this week on news from the Canucks.

Kesler Trade
#1 pick trade maybe...
UFA

Bouncing Bettys
06-25-2014, 10:32 AM
Bolland is looking for a retirement contract. Not happy about giving up 3 picks for him if he finds another team. As always, no player is willing to play for a hometown discount in Toronto and I can't blame them.

jeedee
06-25-2014, 10:40 AM
Bolland wants an 8 year deal worth Gaborik money.... :lawl:

Also wouldn't mind Miller on a short term... not confident with Lack/Markstrom duo..

Wouldn't mind waiting another year when Schneider is a UFA either :troll:

7seven
06-25-2014, 10:44 AM
Have to believe Vancouver would be on Miller's list with his actress wife, or at least 3rd behind Anaheim and SJ. If Anaheim wants a vet to pair with either Gibson/Anderssen and SJ looking to move Niemi

slicrick
06-25-2014, 10:48 AM
Gaborik for 5M per year sounds pretty good but for 7 years :heckno: he is already 32 and has a history of injuries.

If he can stay healthy and keep playing the way he has this season it could be a bargain for the Kings, this year and especially playoffs he looked completely different than the Gaborik that played for NYR he was going to the front of the net getting hit and not shying away from physical play I hope he can keep it up I was sad to see him leave from NYR I would of liked to see him play under Vigneault

Nikita Nikitin only got 400k less per year than Gaborik :lawl:

jeedee
06-25-2014, 10:52 AM
Have to believe Vancouver would be on Miller's list with his actress wife, or at least 3rd behind Anaheim and SJ. If Anaheim wants a vet to pair with either Gibson/Anderssen and SJ looking to move Niemi

Benning drafted Miller as well when he was in Buffalo and they're on good terms supposedly

Doesn't hurt to put an offer for him

Gumby
06-25-2014, 10:59 AM
It's great to hear that Benning is on good terms with a lot of people.

Unlike our previous GM... :fuckthatshit:

Tim Budong
06-25-2014, 11:51 AM
Gaborik for 5M per year sounds pretty good but for 7 years :heckno: he is already 32 and has a history of injuries.

If he can stay healthy and keep playing the way he has this season it could be a bargain for the Kings, this year and especially playoffs he looked completely different than the Gaborik that played for NYR he was going to the front of the net getting hit and not shying away from physical play I hope he can keep it up I was sad to see him leave from NYR I would of liked to see him play under Vigneault

Nikita Nikitin only got 400k less per year than Gaborik :lawl:

Gaboriks contract is a steal
front loaded to the limitations of the CBA
no penatly if retire early
id say great deal
rmb
cap goes up

slicrick
06-25-2014, 12:37 PM
Gaboriks contract is a steal
front loaded to the limitations of the CBA
no penatly if retire early
id say great deal
rmb
cap goes up

I didn't know that when I posted, I thought in the new CBA all players 35 or over if retired with years left would carry a cap penalty? or is that only when bought out?

The only part I didn't like was the length, the cap hit is really good



Callahan's new contract for TBL

https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/statuses/481789290653827072

Ch28
06-25-2014, 01:14 PM
I'd gladly take Gaborik for $5 mill

Mike Oxbig
06-25-2014, 01:22 PM
Lol why did i get fails for posting Canucks being interested in Miller few months back :fuckthatshit:

trancehead
06-25-2014, 03:24 PM
lol even though he has a gritty player for the amount of points ryan callahan gets, hes getting a shit load of money
kind of like dustin brown, except brown is a winner

but at least Yzerman was able to retain Callahan after losing his star in St Louis.

slicrick
06-25-2014, 03:41 PM
TBL got NYR 2014 1st and conditional 2nd which is now going to be NYR 2015 1st since NYR made it to the ECF and now that Callahan re-signed TBL gives NYR their 2014 2nd round and NYR gives their 7th round pick this year

So now after all is said and done that deal ended up being

NYR 2014 1st round pick
NYR 2015 1st round pick
NYR 2015 7th round pick
Ryan Callahan

for

TBL 2015 2nd round pick
Marty St Louis

Simulated
06-25-2014, 03:46 PM
I didn't know that when I posted, I thought in the new CBA all players 35 or over if retired with years left would carry a cap penalty? or is that only when bought out?

The only part I didn't like was the length, the cap hit is really good
i thought the cap penalty applies to guys who signed the contract at age 35 and up and then they retire early.

411ken
06-25-2014, 05:11 PM
TBL got NYR 2014 1st and conditional 2nd which is now going to be NYR 2015 1st since NYR made it to the ECF and now that Callahan re-signed TBL gives NYR their 2014 2nd round and NYR gives their 7th round pick this year

So now after all is said and done that deal ended up being

NYR 2014 1st round pick
NYR 2015 1st round pick
NYR 2014 7th round pick
Ryan Callahan

for

TBL 2014 2nd round pick
Marty St Louis


I dont think Tampa gets nyr pick this year . I thought. The deal was for 2014 2nd rnder but became 2015 1st since they made the ecf...

punkwax
06-25-2014, 05:40 PM
Lol why did i get fails for posting Canucks being interested in Miller few months back :fuckthatshit:

Lol of the 1000's of speculations/possible scenarios you've posted over the years, you finally get one that may become a reality and you boast about it? :fuckthatshit:

slicrick
06-25-2014, 05:41 PM
I dont think Tampa gets nyr pick this year . I thought. The deal was for 2014 2nd rnder but became 2015 1st since they made the ecf... I was wrong about the NYR 7th and TBL 2nd both of those are for 2015 not 2014

Lightning trade St. Louis to Rangers for Callahan, picks (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445323)
The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded their leading scorer, Martin St. Louis, to the New York Rangers in exchange for their captain, Ryan Callahan along with a 2015 first-round and a conditional 2014 second-round draft pick.

Should the Rangers advance to the 2014 Eastern Conference Final, the 2014 second-rounder would become a first-round pick. In the event Callahan should re-sign with the Lightning, the Rangers would receive Tampa Bay's second-round pick at the 2015 NHL Draft while the Lightning would receive the Rangers' seventh-round draft pick in 2015.

Mike Oxbig
06-25-2014, 06:36 PM
Lol of the 1000's of speculations/possible scenarios you've posted over the years, you finally get one that may become a reality and you boast about it? :fuckthatshit:

south surrey reppin' :fuckthatshit:

Tim Budong
06-25-2014, 07:06 PM
Ryan Miller is a goalie we do not need.
but knowing the agenda of the Aquaman...

Playoffs > anything

murd0c
06-25-2014, 07:16 PM
we need anything thats better then the pair we have right now and for the right price how could we complain.

Mike Oxbig
06-25-2014, 07:50 PM
rather tank for mcdavid and let our young players learn to lose before winning

pastarocket
06-25-2014, 07:58 PM
Personal reasons for Miller may make him decide to come to our city. If the price is right for our team, why not?

It's no secret that Benning knows Miller back from the days that he drafted him to play for the Sabres. He wants to play on the west coast so that he can stay closer to his actress wife who works in Hollywood.

I'm predicting that we'll see this couple in Vancouver soon:

http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/05/nhl_dewulf.jpg?w=512&h=288&crop=1

Not really racist!
06-25-2014, 08:31 PM
Since this was conveniently missed on the News1130 Twitter

News1130 Sports @News1130Sports · 10h
The #Canucks also playing phone tag with Jonas Hiller's agent - but he also represents Deryk Engelland and Joe Vitale.

cheaper, younger, can do a 1A/1B with Lack, probably can do shorter term cause of that since he just wants/needs a change in environment

would be beyond stupid signing Miller :fuckthatshit:

edit: article on canucks.com

“The decisions I’ve made prior to this and this week will really shape this organization’s future. I’m keenly aware of that and recognize all our Canucks fans back in BC watching what we do here. We’ve got to pick the right player.”

If Trevor Linden is feeling any pressure going into his first NHL Draft as president of the Vancouver Canucks, he isn’t showing it.

Linden stepped out of a team draft meeting Wednesday afternoon to provide some insight into what the Canucks are looking to do during the 2014 Draft, taking place Friday and Saturday at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia. Much of the team’s preparations involve varying scenarios and a plan on how they’ll react after the first five picks are made.

Unless Vancouver has one of those top five picks, that is.

“We’ve made an effort to move and I’m not sure that’s going to happen, so we’ll just kind of watch and see what happens,” said Linden, not tipping his hat about if the Canucks are attempting to move up or down from their sixth overall selection.

“I think we came away from Whistler with a real solid plan, I think we’ll go over that and tweak it, there may be a couple changes.”

If changes are made, GM Jim Benning is likely behind them.

Linden said Benning is becoming notorious for plastering his office with posters of ever-changing rosters and notes on players as he continues to work on building the best Canucks team possible.

”I like to write different line-ups out, then I stick them up on the wall and stare at them and decide if I think we can do something to make it work and if that’s a line-up that I think we can win with,” revealed Benning.

“That’s an ongoing process, every hour it changes, but we’re trying to buckle down here and get to what we need to do to make the team better.”

Improving the Canucks could come via trade and Benning said he spoke with 12-15 teams Wednesday about “moving up and moving down in the draft and different trade scenarios.”

There’s been more talk this year than usual according to various sources and while talk is cheap, the consensus seems to be that Florida would trade the first overall selection for the right pieces in return. Does Vancouver have those pieces and is moving up even their strategy?

Benning wouldn’t name names in terms of prospects who have made it up onto the wall in his office as part of the Canucks line-up, but he knows the intangibles he wants in incoming players.

”In our division there’s some really good teams and they’re big and they’re fast, so we talked about that going forward, about getting back to drafting good skaters with some size and speed.

”Today we went over our list again, first round and second round scenarios and what players we like later on in the draft, if we think we’re going to be there. So we’re going to keep at that, tomorrow’s another day, we’ll touch up on guys we really like and want to draft and be ready to go on Friday.”

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=723888

bold probably means offer was made, but not rejected, and still on the table

murd0c
06-25-2014, 08:34 PM
we always heard over the years Canucks trying to land players and it not working out, lets just hope Benning is the kind of closer we think he is!!

Cr33pUh
06-25-2014, 08:36 PM
Since this was conveniently missed on the News1130 Twitter

News1130 Sports @News1130Sports · 10h
The #Canucks also playing phone tag with Jonas Hiller's agent - but he also represents Deryk Engelland and Joe Vitale.

cheaper, younger, can do a 1A/1B with Lack, probably can do shorter term cause of that since he just wants/needs a change in environment

would be beyond stupid signing Miller :fuckthatshit:

Stupid enough to land us McDavid? I'm in.

Mike Oxbig
06-25-2014, 11:09 PM
Fuck summer hearsay UFA signings... the Forsberg wanting to play with Naslund in Vancouver was the end of hearing those type of bullshit!:devil:

:QQ:

EuterVanWasser
06-26-2014, 06:21 AM
Man it would be great if we went after Schneider again at UFA, but something about the way he left strikes me as he wanted out. Maybe it was the whole Luongo thing grating on him, but I suspect he wanted to go back to the States. Don't know.

Hiller though is a solid goalie. Both NHL and International play, he can be a game changer. If we could pull a Kesler trade with Anaheim that somehow landed us both Hiller and their #10 spot; that would be some sharp GM'gineering.

Ahh... summer time speculation!

jeedee
06-26-2014, 06:34 AM
Man it would be great if we went after Schneider again at UFA, but something about the way he left strikes me as he wanted out.

What do you mean he wanted out?

IMO he was only traded because Luongo was "untradeable" (at the time; Florida had no interest acquiring him)

I don't think he left on bad terms with the Canucks...but who knows. When he was promised the starter job AND THEN was traded.....might have made him sour

Ch28
06-26-2014, 06:59 AM
I remember someone mentioned he wanted out cause Kesler laid the pipe into his wife.

highfive
06-26-2014, 07:08 AM
I remember someone mentioned he wanted out cause Kesler laid the pipe into his wife.

That was the rumour I think.

But do we really want a 29 years old goalie going to 30? He most likely want a long term contract with big money.

If lack performs well this year, I much rather go with lack.

Tried listening to the morning show today since its getting close to the draft and ufa day. Holy shit is Pratt and bro terrible... If Canucks want to rebuild their image, they need to get rid of these fucks. Same with Barry Mac and his group of hyenas.

jeedee
06-26-2014, 07:18 AM
But do we really want a 29 years old goalie going to 30? He most likely want a long term contract with big money.

If lack performs well this year, I much rather go with lack.

A goalie enters his prime years when he's 27-37 (estimate). We had Luongo till he was 34 and you're complaining about Schneider being 30? Please :lol

Eddie Lack is 26 and will be 30 in 4 years...and he hasn't even hit his prime years yet.

Are you forgetting Luongo was on a "long term contract with big money" as well?

highfive
06-26-2014, 08:03 AM
A goalie enters his prime years when he's 27-37 (estimate). We had Luongo till he was 34 and you're complaining about Schneider being 30? Please :lol

Eddie Lack is 26 and will be 30 in 4 years...and he hasn't even hit his prime years yet.

Are you forgetting Luongo was on a "long term contract with big money" as well?

That's what I'm saying. Do we want to get tied into a long term contract again?

Cory going to demand $5+ probably depending on the cap.

punkwax
06-26-2014, 08:12 AM
Heard today with the new cap Toews/Kane could get upward of 10-12M per season...

12,000,000 / 82 games = $146,341.46 per game

20 mins / game = $7317.07 per minute... imagine going back to the bench after a 30 second shift and you just made over $3650 :ahwow:

jeedee
06-26-2014, 08:30 AM
That's what I'm saying. Do we want to get tied into a long term contract again?

Cory going to demand $5+ probably depending on the cap.

as long as its not a long term contract with a NTC :troll:

The salary cap most likely will go up in the future. 5M for a legit starter is nothing

jeedee
06-26-2014, 08:31 AM
Heard today with the new cap Toews/Kane could get upward of 10-12M per season...

12,000,000 / 82 games = $146,341.46 per game

20 mins / game = $7317.07 per minute... imagine going back to the bench after a 30 second shift and you just made over $3650 :ahwow:

10-12M.... EACH?

murd0c
06-26-2014, 08:35 AM
yup a season

Ch28
06-26-2014, 08:45 AM
https://twitter.com/VanCanucks/status/482195210827358210

murd0c
06-26-2014, 08:46 AM
He looks like a happy guy unlike the grump Gillis

MindBomber
06-26-2014, 09:15 AM
IMO he was only traded because Luongo was "untradeable" (at the time; Florida had no interest acquiring him)


Luongo was not untradeable, Gillis was just an idiot.

murd0c
06-26-2014, 09:34 AM
Benning just said he doesn't care about trading in the west, he will make the trade which is best for the team. I think that's where Gillis fucked everything since he would only deal with east coast teams.

bobbinka
06-26-2014, 09:35 AM
Heard today with the new cap Toews/Kane could get upward of 10-12M per season...

12,000,000 / 82 games = $146,341.46 per game

20 mins / game = $7317.07 per minute... imagine going back to the bench after a 30 second shift and you just made over $3650 :ahwow:

There are 60 minutes in a game

SkinnyPupp
06-26-2014, 09:39 AM
There are 60 minutes in a game
For goalies yeah

Gumby
06-26-2014, 09:41 AM
There are 60 minutes in a game
I'd like to see you play 60 minutes of hockey at the NHL level. :)

bobbinka
06-26-2014, 10:10 AM
He's still in the game even if he's on the bench

CRS
06-26-2014, 10:14 AM
He's still in the game even if he's on the bench

Yeah, but then you're going into times where they aren't technically "playing".

So what's to exclude practice, off season training, community service, etc...?

PiuYi
06-26-2014, 10:20 AM
alls i knows is the way NJ is treating schneids its unlikely he'll want to stay there either :lol

jeedee
06-26-2014, 10:51 AM
Luongo was not untradeable, Gillis was just an idiot.

That too :lol

highfive
06-26-2014, 11:02 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 11m

Trade senses are on high alert. Starting to sound like Kesler deal is inching closer. Still working on destination, but next 24hrs, perhaps.

I really hate Dreger after the whole Luongo crap going to Toronto. but still news for Canucks.

murd0c
06-26-2014, 11:06 AM
He was prob right with Lu to Toronto but Gillis fucked everything up.

Bouncing Bettys
06-26-2014, 11:15 AM
Thank you Gillis

tmc22
06-26-2014, 11:28 AM
such a vague tweet.. doesn't give any information whatsoever

Not really racist!
06-26-2014, 11:31 AM
Dreger is always full of sh*t, he's helped his buddy in Toronto leak out false information before

Just this morning Benning said this, but of course it can change quick

Jim Benning on NHL Draft

Canucks GM Jim Benning met the media on Thursday morning in Philadelphia, ahead of Friday's NHL Entry Draft.

You can hear draft coverage at 4:00 Friday on TEAM1040, with Matt Sekeres and Blake Price live in Philadelphia.

The Canucks have the sixth overall pick in the draft, and while Benning continues to talk to teams about moving up, he also admitted the team is happy with the sixth choice.

"We're inquiring about what it takes to try and move up. We're happy at six - we think at six we're going to get a really good player that we like. But up til tomorrow when the draft starts, we'll keep inquiring about what it takes to move up and if we have the assets to make it happen."

Ryan Kesler's availability is a major issue for the Canucks. Benning continues to state that the Canucks are weighing all their options, but admitted that the trade deadline might be a better time to try to trade a good player.

"When you're dealing with a player of his stature at the trade deadline, is when you can really do well because those teams that feel that they're maybe one player away could possibly give you more than you'd get in the middle of summer when they're not playing hockey. We're not going to do anything that doesn't make sense for us as an organization."

Benning said he's not concerned about trading a player within the Western Conference.

And Benning also admitted that the Canucks are considering adding a veteran goalie before next season.

"We're going to look at all of our options on that. We've said before that we're happy with the progress that Eddie (Lack) made last year. But as free-agency comes up we're going to look at options, and if it makes sense for us, we'll do that."

Reports say the Canucks have already made contact with UFA's Ryan Miller and Jonas Hiller.

Hear the full Jim Benning interview below:

Actual interview sound clip here

TEAM Radio | TEAM 1040 AM | TEAM 1410 AM :: Jim Benning on NHL Draft :: News - Article (http://www.teamradio.ca/news/2014/06/26/jim-benning-on-nhl-draft)

:fuckthatshit:

captain obvious, mr.generalization right here, of course talks are gonna heat up before the draft
http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=388416

AzNightmare
06-26-2014, 12:01 PM
Ryan Kesler's availability is a major issue for the Canucks. Benning continues to state that the Canucks are weighing all their options, but admitted that the trade deadline might be a better time to try to trade a good player.

"When you're dealing with a player of his stature at the trade deadline, is when you can really do well because those teams that feel that they're maybe one player away could possibly give you more than you'd get in the middle of summer when they're not playing hockey. We're not going to do anything that doesn't make sense for us as an organization."

Not sure whether I agree with it or not, because there's pros and cons either way.

But I remember during the trade deadline, people were saying to hold off until the summer, because then you'll have all 29 teams as a possible option. Either way, this cycle could go on forever.

I don't think Schneider would have a problem coming back as the whole management got replaced.

trancehead
06-26-2014, 12:18 PM
schneids could be out and test the waters. NJ looks lost, dont know if he wants to be with a non contending team for a while

fantasy case, he comes back and re signs

Spoon
06-26-2014, 12:22 PM
Benning just said he doesn't care about trading in the west, he will make the trade which is best for the team. I think that's where Gillis fucked everything since he would only deal with east coast teams.

That and the concept of player agents immediately placed in a GM role was a poor decision.

Hondaracer
06-26-2014, 12:40 PM
So poor dat we got to da finals

Jmac
06-26-2014, 12:42 PM
For goalies yeah
Goalies play less than half the game unless they play for shit teams ... Goalies aren't doing fuck all when the puck is in the offensive and neutral zones ...

411ken
06-26-2014, 01:31 PM
That was the rumour I think.

But do we really want a 29 years old goalie going to 30? He most likely want a long term contract with big money.

If lack performs well this year, I much rather go with lack.



So we traded Schneider and the entire city said we should've asked for more as he's a franchise goalie, etc etc... now that he could be had again, I read something as to why we would even want to sign him if he wants to come back?? all in a matter of 1 year lol...

I'm pretty sure he's only 28 years old as well.

Ch28
06-26-2014, 02:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/482285400128385024

Ch28
06-26-2014, 02:56 PM
https://twitter.com/icemancometh/status/482289716910227456

Ducks beat writer

murd0c
06-26-2014, 02:57 PM
Kesler should fetch more then Spezza at least

Shark Tank
06-26-2014, 03:15 PM
schneids could be out and test the waters. NJ looks lost, dont know if he wants to be with a non contending team for a while

fantasy case, he comes back and re signs

I miss Schneider. Maybe a deal around Schneider & Jagr for Kesler/Markstrom or Lack

I know one thing, I don't want Ryan Miller or Hiller anywhere near this team. Was funny how everyone and their mother thought St.Louis was a lock to win when they traded for Miller

The Hype
06-26-2014, 03:32 PM
I miss Schneider. Maybe a deal around Schneider & Jagr for Kesler/Markstrom or Lack

I know one thing, I don't want Ryan Miller or Hiller anywhere near this team. Was funny how everyone and their mother thought St.Louis was a lock to win when they traded for Miller

Jonas Hiller is a better goalie than Miller, and much better than you think he is. Guy was great for Anaheim, with the exception of when he went down with vertigo, and those couple years when the Ducks decided to collectively suck. Only reason they let him go was because of his new salary demands and the fact we have Andersen and Gibson ready to go.

spideyv2
06-26-2014, 04:15 PM
So we traded Schneider and the entire city said we should've asked for more as he's a franchise goalie, etc etc... now that he could be had again, I read something as to why we would even want to sign him if he wants to come back?? all in a matter of 1 year lol...

I'm pretty sure he's only 28 years old as well.

#CanuckFans

Hondaracer
06-26-2014, 04:52 PM
I called in to 1040 and said somthing along those lines..

Ppl hate on/downplayed the Nucks when they're winning presidents trophies and going to Cup Finals then they're "excited" When you have a rookie President, Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, no starting goalie,and without Kesler, the weakest top 6 in the west..‪#‎CanuckFans‬

I realize you've gotta walk before you run, but the state that the team is in now you've got to be a blind optimist to even think we've got a shot at competing in the next 4 years. And that's puting stock into draft picks, trades, player development, all working out

We've got a front office and coaching staff with almost zero real NHL experience. Things could go sideways far easier than anything going well. I'm typically a pessimist but I've got very little faith in the current situation building a contender and I think by the end of it Linden will leave the organization with a feeling like Gretzky leaving the coyotes rather than a good feelings story.

spideyv2
06-26-2014, 04:53 PM
I called in to 1040 and said somthing along those lines..

Ppl hate on/downplayed the Nucks when they're winning presidents trophies and going to Cup Finals then they're "excited" When you have a rookie President, Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, no starting goalie,and without Kesler, the weakest top 6 in the west..‪#‎CanuckFans‬

I realize you've gotta walk before you run, but the state that the team is in now you've got to be a blind optimist to even think we've got a shot at competing in the next 4 years. And that's puting stock into draft picks, trades, player development, all working out

We've got a front office and coaching staff with almost zero real NHL experience. Things could go sideways far easier than anything going well. I'm typically a pessimist but I've got very little faith in the current situation building a contender and I think by the end of it Linden will leave the organization with a feeling like Gretzky leaving the coyotes rather than a good feelings story.

Nuck fans generally seem to get overly excited about anything regarding change, for better or for worse.

stuff99
06-26-2014, 05:22 PM
I called in to 1040 and said somthing along those lines..

Ppl hate on/downplayed the Nucks when they're winning presidents trophies and going to Cup Finals then they're "excited" When you have a rookie President, Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, no starting goalie,and without Kesler, the weakest top 6 in the west..‪#‎CanuckFans‬

I realize you've gotta walk before you run, but the state that the team is in now you've got to be a blind optimist to even think we've got a shot at competing in the next 4 years. And that's puting stock into draft picks, trades, player development, all working out

We've got a front office and coaching staff with almost zero real NHL experience. Things could go sideways far easier than anything going well. I'm typically a pessimist but I've got very little faith in the current situation building a contender and I think by the end of it Linden will leave the organization with a feeling like Gretzky leaving the coyotes rather than a good feelings story.

Can't screw it up any worse than an inexperienced player agent no one in the league liked taking over the franchise.

murd0c
06-26-2014, 05:25 PM
and if they screw it up we hopefully get Mcdavid next year!!

CRS
06-26-2014, 06:38 PM
Vancouver Canucks forward Mike Santorelli earned a roster spot at training camp in the fall of 2013 by showing up in the best shape of his life and slowly securing a top-six spot in the Canucks lineup. Santorelli - who was born and grew up in Vancouver - accomplished this despite being on a one-year, two-way contract.

Though he missed the latter part of the season with injury, Santorelli and agent JP Barry believe that the versatile, undersized, two-way forward has done all of the "value rebuilding" he needs to do, in order to secure a multi-year contract. It's just that the Canucks aren't offering him a multi-year contract...

So the Santorelli-era in Vancouver lasted only modestly longer than the John Tortorella-era, which seems oddly appropriate.

theScore (http://www.thescore.com/news/527862)

Ch28
06-26-2014, 06:55 PM
It's a shame that they're not going after Santo. He was such a consistent player until his injury.

sonick
06-26-2014, 07:01 PM
Gino Odjick?s last fight: Beloved Canucks enforcer battles terminal heart disease (http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Gino+Odjick+last+fight+Beloved+Canucks/9979028/story.html)

:fuuuuu: :tears:

murd0c
06-26-2014, 07:02 PM
So fucken sad

Tim Budong
06-26-2014, 07:06 PM
So So So So Sad

He looked so happy to be with Pavel on jersey retirement night.

The fans cheered so loud for Gino

Ch28
06-26-2014, 07:11 PM
Oh man....Gino :(

StylinRed
06-26-2014, 07:54 PM
holy shit that's horrible to hear :(

Gumby
06-26-2014, 08:19 PM
Yeah such sad news to hear about Gino... :(

PiuYi
06-26-2014, 08:19 PM
fight on, Gino!

tonyzoomzoom
06-26-2014, 08:36 PM
All the best, Gino !

Edison_Chen
06-26-2014, 08:49 PM
Keep on fighting, don't give up Gino

pastarocket
06-26-2014, 09:19 PM
RS supports you Gino! Fight it!

LUUUUUUUU
06-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Letter from Gino Odjick - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=723992)

Dear friends, teammates, and fans,

We have shared many great moments together over the years, but today I need to share news about the biggest fight of my life.

About two months ago I was diagnosed with a rare terminal disease called AL amyloidosis. It’s causing abnormal protein to be produced and deposits are being formed on my heart. It’s hardening my heart and my doctors aren’t sure how long I have to live. Initially they thought years, but now they think it could be a lot less. I could be down to months or even weeks.

I began fighting this disease a few days after Pat Quinn’s ring of honour night. I went to the hospital because I was short of breath and 48 hours later I received the news. I’ve been in the hospital under the supervision of some great doctors ever since. I also have the support of my kids, my sisters, my family and some great friends.

I’m telling you about this now because news is beginning to leak out and I wanted you to hear it from me. I also want you to know that my spirit is strong even if my body isn't. I'm going to use all of my time to be with my kids and everyone I love.

I feel very fortunate for my life. During my career I played in some great NHL cities including, Vancouver, Long Island, Philadelphia and Montreal. In my heart, I will always be a Canuck and I have always had a special relationship here with the fans. Your "Gino, Gino" cheers were my favourite. I wish I could hear them again. You have been amazing.

My teammates became like brothers and am thankful I had the opportunity this past year to re-unite with so many of them. I'll never forget my first NHL game against Chicago and my first goal. It also means the world to me that my hockey career gave me a chance to open doors for kids in Aboriginal community. I was just a little old Indian boy from the Rez. If I could do it, so could they. My hope is that my hockey story helps show kids from home what's possible. I always tell them that education is freedom.

I also made some great friends through hockey and away from the ice as well. Life-long friends who have been with me as I lived out my dream on the ice. It made the journey that much more special and cherished.

This isn't goodbye, but I wanted you to know what is happening. I'm going to stay strong and I hope to spend as much time with my kids as possible.

I understand the media will likely want to learn more, but I hope you can respect my request for privacy as I focus my time on my children and family.

- Gino

68style
06-26-2014, 10:34 PM
Fuck... who knew I was going to cry before I went to sleep tonight reading the Canucks thread :QQ:

Hondaracer
06-26-2014, 10:59 PM
sad

mb_
06-26-2014, 11:21 PM
That is horrible :(

cdizzle_996
06-27-2014, 04:54 AM
Hopefully he can fight til the season starts. It'd be nice to see Linden do the right thing and induct him into the ring of honor.

FS1992EG
06-27-2014, 05:51 AM
Why not sell tickets for an event at Rogers Areana. Induct him into the ring of honor after the draft and donate the profits to his family.

murd0c
06-27-2014, 07:48 AM
This suspense is going to kill me today!!

jeedee
06-27-2014, 07:52 AM
inb4 today is full of disappoint and kesler is kept/Canucks don't make a trade

Ch28
06-27-2014, 07:58 AM
inb4 today is full of disappoint and kesler is kept/Canucks don't make a trade

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this happened.

highfive
06-27-2014, 08:07 AM
Wouldn't surprise me either. I feel that Kesler side is more desperate to get a trade than the Canucks.

I forgot was it Benning who said the best time to trade someone like Kesler would be the trade deadline as all the teams are playing and they know who's most likely going into the playoffs and the strengths and weaknesses of each team. Whereas during the summer months, nobody is playing hockey so they really don't give a shit much on trades.

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:07 AM
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this happened.

Still looking forward to who the Canucks take at #6 tho (if the pick is kept)

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 08:15 AM
If they do trade up and take Reinhart gonna be fuckin choked.

Also, I guess buffalo is in rebuild mode so they'd probably want just as much as FLA but surprised no ones really mentioned any possibility of getting the 2nd overall in a deal. Basically gonna get either ekblad or Reinhart either way

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 08:18 AM
I rather have a 3 way deal Kesler to FLA for the 1st and Chicago gives FLA whatever they want.

6th OA (ritchie, nylander, ehlers) + shinkaruk + tanev for ekblad/reinhart? Kinda too much

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:18 AM
If they do trade up and take Reinhart gonna be fuckin choked.


Why? I'm guessing you'd want Ekblad?

Unless Ekblad is a center (which he isn't), and can replace Kesler on the 2nd line (which he can't), I have no interest in taking him at #1.

"but he's a franchise d-man!". Yeah so was Erik Johnson at #1 overall right? :lol

Ch28
06-27-2014, 08:20 AM
John Shannon just said on FAN 590 that Anaheim and Vancouver had an agreed upon deal for Kesler at the deadline and Kesler's family nixed it

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 08:22 AM
John Shannon just said on FAN 590 that Anaheim and Vancouver had an agreed upon deal for Kesler at the deadline and Kesler's family nixed it

Why are the Canucks giving Kesler so much power? Just keep him here and fuck over his window of winning....

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:25 AM
Why are the Canucks giving Kesler so much power? Just keep him here and fuck over his window of winning....

Cause he has a NTC and can decide where he goes?

Why keep a guy who doesn't wanna be here and let him walk in 2 years and get absolutely nothing in return?

Rather trade him now and get pick(s)/prospect(s)/roster player in return

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 08:25 AM
The thing with and taking Ekblad over Reinhart is that it's wayyy easier to obtain forwards for your team than it is to get great defenseman. You can always make trades and sign UFA's and typically there are always good forwards available while there are almost never top tier defenseman.

Also Ekblad just in appearance and presence is what the Canucks need. A big, tough, good looking Canadian kid who could be captain material down the line

Reinhart by all accounts is not NHL ready, and bob Mckenzie has been on 1040 multiple times saying while his game is smart and he plays hard, his skating is questionable and he's undersized.

It's time to change the perception of the Canucls completely not keep going with this same undersized, soft type player who we continually bring in.

highfive
06-27-2014, 08:26 AM
Why are the Canucks giving Kesler so much power? Just keep him here and fuck over his window of winning....

And then you fuck with Canucks window of winning or rebuilding.

Why keep a player that doesn't want to be here?

Ch28
06-27-2014, 08:29 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/482560310356627456

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/482560654084038658

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 08:31 AM
Kinda spitting in players faces when you ask to waive a NTC a year into a contract

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:32 AM
The thing with and taking Ekblad over Reinhart is that it's wayyy easier to obtain forwards for your team than it is to get great defenseman. You can always make trades and sign UFA's and typically there are always good forwards available while there are almost never top tier defenseman.

Also Ekblad just in appearance and presence is what the Canucks need. A big, tough, good looking Canadian kid who could be captain material down the line

Reinhart by all accounts is not NHL ready, and bob Mckenzie has been on 1040 multiple times saying while his game is smart and he plays hard, his skating is questionable and he's undersized.

It's time to change the perception of the Canucls completely not keep going with this same undersized, soft type player who we continually bring in.

Very true but defenseman are impossible to predict. Since 2005: Jack and Erik Johnson, Thomas Hickey, Karl Alzner, Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Alex Pietrangelo, Luke Schenn, Victor Hedman, Erik Gudbranson and Adam Larsson have all been taken at high picks.

How many of them are actually top pairing defensemen though? Besides Doughty and Pietrangelo, the rest are questionable at this point.

The Canucks don't really have an obvious positional need at defence like Florida, Buffalo, or Edmonton with Hamhuis/Garrison/Bieksa/Edler all locked up long term.

Ever since the Boston series the Canucks have tried to duplicate "the Boston model" by being a bigger team and it's failed horribly. You don't [necessarily] need size to win; you need skill. That's what the 2011 Canucks were--a team with skill who won with skill and speed. Hell even a small team like Montreal beat the Bruins in the playoffs :lol

Overall it's been a good debate the last few weeks in this thread on taking Ekblad or Reinhart at #1. We'll have to find out later today if the Canucks even get the pick lol

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:36 AM
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/482560310356627456

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/482560654084038658

damn.................he took less money to come home to Vancouver too....

murd0c
06-27-2014, 08:37 AM
I really wonder who we would get for Garrison from MTL or TB tho?

will068
06-27-2014, 08:38 AM
Just confirmed by Dale Tallon on TSN that the Canucks have made an offer for the first pick.

highfive
06-27-2014, 08:38 AM
I feel bad for Garrison. He wants to come home and took less money.

He was perfect for the PP but felt like he never got the chance to. I much prefer Garrison over "I like to hold the puck till I lose it on the PP" Edler.

fsy82
06-27-2014, 08:39 AM
what time does the draft start today?

jeedee
06-27-2014, 08:41 AM
what time does the draft start today?

4PM PST

sonick
06-27-2014, 08:42 AM
https://twitter.com/FarhanLaljiTSN/status/482561839318851584

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4262284/petergriffin-excited-o.gif

highfive
06-27-2014, 08:43 AM
hahaha...Garrison to TB for Salo... our PP would be saved!! Edler would be saved!!! :troll:

Jmac
06-27-2014, 08:49 AM
Trading Garrison would be a mistake ...

Gumby
06-27-2014, 08:59 AM
Trading Garrison would be a mistake ...
Agreed - he wants to be here.

If Kesler wants out, then trade him now pls.

murd0c
06-27-2014, 08:59 AM
Benning knows what he's doing, I have faith in him!!

6o4__boi
06-27-2014, 09:01 AM
The thing with and taking Ekblad over Reinhart is that it's wayyy easier to obtain forwards for your team than it is to get great defenseman. You can always make trades and sign UFA's and typically there are always good forwards available while there are almost never top tier defenseman.

Also Ekblad just in appearance and presence is what the Canucks need. A big, tough, good looking Canadian kid who could be captain material down the line

Reinhart by all accounts is not NHL ready, and bob Mckenzie has been on 1040 multiple times saying while his game is smart and he plays hard, his skating is questionable and he's undersized.

It's time to change the perception of the Canucls completely not keep going with this same undersized, soft type player who we continually bring in.


like i said before, based on history, as long as Canucks draft Ekblad with no. 2 (or later) he should have a good chance of turning out to be a franchise d :troll:

but at 1st overall? lol

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 09:10 AM
It isn't like taking him first or Somone else first is any different, the whole top 10 is a risk there's no locks.

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 09:14 AM
Pressure on Dman to go #1 doesnt always work out :troll:

Ch28
06-27-2014, 09:16 AM
Just confirmed by Dale Tallon on TSN that the Canucks have made an offer for the first pick.

Thanks for telling us something from last night, bro.

highfive
06-27-2014, 09:25 AM
Vancouver media must be so fucking happy right now. Kesler trade, 6th overall draft, 1st overall trade, garrison, etc etc..

m3thods
06-27-2014, 09:27 AM
If anything, Eckblad coming here would be a great fit. There are other defensemen in front of him that can teach him properly, unlike in Edmonton where he'd automatically be the number 1. Eckblad would be able to play bottom 6 minutes on the Canucks and eventually set them up for the next decade assuming he pans out (and that's an assumption we all make with all draft picks in the top 10, regardless of position).

As much as I'd like the Canucks to draft Eckblad given the number 1 pick, they need help down the middle much more so it'd be Reinhart they pick (again, given they have the first pick from FLA).

6o4__boi
06-27-2014, 09:37 AM
I'm not saying fuckitall let's draft Reinhart, i think the Canucks need some grit, but they definitely need all the scoring they can get. I just don't think Ekblad is worth it at 1st overall, at least in the hypothetical (and probably unlikely situation) that the Canucks take top pick. Frankly, our d is decent, i think that if we're going to get a stud d, it would come from development like most stud d's out there.

The main argument is that Reinhart is "too small" and not "NHL ready" He's 6'1, 185 lbs, that's essentially every forward prospects average height and weight these recent years, so...how is that 'too small'?. Except for generational players, who is actually NHL ready? Check out these previous stats: (i know i'm using a lot of oiler stats but they do say something so bear with me)

Nail Yakupov
48 GP, 17 G, 31 pts - rookie season
Height 5 ft 11 in
Weight 186 lb

RNH
62 GP, 18 G, 52 pts - rookie season
Height 6 ft 1 in
Weight 185 lb

Nathan Mackinnon
82 GP, 24 G, 63 pts - rookie season
Height 6 ft 0 in
Weight 182 lb

Taylor Hall
65 GP, 22 G, 42 pts - rookie season
Height 6 ft 1 in (185 cm)
Weight 201 lb
(this is his weight now but i'd imagine he was a little lighter in his rookie year)

Heck let's include special status John Tavares just for comparison's sake:
82 GP, 24 G, 54 pts - rookie season
Height 6 ft 1 in (185 cm)
Weight 205 lb - again, pretty sure he wasn't 205 in his rookie year.


I don't know about you but imo except maybe for Mackinnon (and obviously Tavares), most of these guys were in ok drafts. But look at the points/goals they put up in their first season. Now look at their size. None of them were particularly huge, heck Reinhart is pretty much the same size as MacKinnon at this point. (Also, I know that this is looking at things pretty optimistically)Let's assume based on these past drafts that Reinhart plays ~50 Games, pots in 18 goals and 40 pts. Let's also assume that Ekblad plays ~50, pots 5 goals and 20 pts as a 2nd pairing d. I know this is comparing apples and oranges but from watching the last two seasons, as a Canucks fan, I'd pick Reinhart and his 40pts any day over whatever Ekblad can contribute. Because let's face it, how often do 1st overall d actually pan out? The chances of Ekblad being a shitty d is relatively high based on history, and the chances of a stud defenceman emerging from within our prospects down the road is pretty likely as this is traditionally where great defencemen come from.

highfive
06-27-2014, 09:46 AM
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 4m

ANA and VAN working hard at Kesler deal...trying to get it done

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 38s

Hearing Kesler to Anaheim is done. Awaiting details...

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 32s

Kesler trade to Anaheim is very close, source says

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 49s

Sounds like two players and a pick to VAN if this closes...


oh shit..Woahhh lets see what we get...

murd0c
06-27-2014, 09:47 AM
oh snap

CRS
06-27-2014, 09:49 AM
FAWWWWWKKK BAWWWDDDDYYYYY!

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 52s
Anaheim will trade Bonino, Sbisa plus 24th overall pick and teams will swap third-rounders once deal goes through

HonestTea
06-27-2014, 09:49 AM
Oh shit!

Can't wait for the details!

highfive
06-27-2014, 09:50 AM
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 58s

Anaheim will trade Bonino, Sbisa plus 24th overall pick and teams will swap third-rounders once deal goes through

WTF

jeedee
06-27-2014, 09:51 AM
:pokerface:

CRS
06-27-2014, 09:53 AM
With Sbisa, there is no doubt that a D from Vancouver is going to be traded.

highfive
06-27-2014, 09:55 AM
Not even the 10th overall pick.

xeryusx
06-27-2014, 09:56 AM
I guess they're not using Kesler for #1 pick. But the return from Anaheim, really?

jeedee
06-27-2014, 09:57 AM
I guess they're not using Kesler for #1 pick. But the return from Anaheim, really?

Kesler was never going to be traded for #1 overall pick............

Ch28
06-27-2014, 09:57 AM
What a fucking brutal trade

Wow.

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 09:57 AM
Couple guys who never heard of and a throw away pick at 24th

#FireTrevor

:troll:

Getting more euros, were just moving over to Italy now lol :(

CRS
06-27-2014, 10:00 AM
Weren't half of you guys saying we should dump next season to land McDavid?

You guys switch positions more often than kids playing music chairs.

I'm a pretty big fan of Sbisa though.

xeryusx
06-27-2014, 10:00 AM
Selling my Kesler jersey

AzNightmare
06-27-2014, 10:00 AM
/inb4 Kesler becomes the new Selanne, aka Canuck killer.

wahyinghung
06-27-2014, 10:01 AM
We got fleeced??????

Grandmaster TSE
06-27-2014, 10:01 AM
Day isn't over yet, there's gonna be a lot more happening

XplicitLuder
06-27-2014, 10:03 AM
With another defenseman you wonder if tanev/garrison are sure to be traded

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:03 AM
Weren't half of you guys saying we should dump next season to land McDavid?

You guys switch positions more often than kids playing music chairs.

I'm a pretty big fan of Sbisa though.

Bonino played relatively well for a 2nd line center

Sbisa sucks, though.

411ken
06-27-2014, 10:04 AM
Selling my Kesler jersey

Goodluck finding someone to buy it :pokerface:

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:04 AM
FS: slightly worn Kesler jersey $100

Gumby
06-27-2014, 10:05 AM
It's never easy to get a decent return for someone with a NTC. I think we did OK.

murd0c
06-27-2014, 10:05 AM
I have one as well :(

Full rebuild going on and with less cap space so the Canucks can afford to pay off Torts, Gillis, Lu and Booth :troll:

fsy82
06-27-2014, 10:06 AM
Kesler didnt want to be here and he was in the driver seat. Thats why its shitty to trade someone with a NTC. Atleast the 5million cap hit is gone and I definitely see more trades coming as now we have a gaping hole in the middle.

Grandmaster TSE
06-27-2014, 10:07 AM
FS: slightly worn Kesler jersey $100

I'll give you a bag of pucks for it

fsy82
06-27-2014, 10:08 AM
Also keep in mind Bonino is younger and had more points than Kesler last season

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:10 AM
I'll give you a bag of pucks for it

Brand new bag or slightly used?

highfive
06-27-2014, 10:10 AM
Bonino with 49 points. Younger and Cheaper.

Kesler with 43 points. Older and doesn't pass.

Lets see how he uses his wingers in Anaheim.

2011 Kesler is a long way away.

Expresso
06-27-2014, 10:10 AM
Yea but we have to play ANA all the damn time add on top they completed destroyed Canucks last year. Now add Kesler to that hurt.

CRS
06-27-2014, 10:10 AM
Brand new bag or slightly used?

Since it's your birthday, I'll give you a brand new one.

quasi
06-27-2014, 10:11 AM
Call me bitter but I hope Kesler goes over there pulls a Brad Richards and totally shits his pants, the bed and anything else worth shitting on.

Grandmaster TSE
06-27-2014, 10:11 AM
Brand new bag or slightly used?

Slightly, but I'll wash it for you

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:12 AM
Since it's your birthday, I'll give you a brand new one.

:accepted:

EmperorIS
06-27-2014, 10:14 AM
FS: slightly worn Kesler jersey $100

I'll trade you my Malhotra jersey.

XplicitLuder
06-27-2014, 10:15 AM
I'd say it was a decent deal considering our hands were tied with only 2 teams lol

411ken
06-27-2014, 10:15 AM
Could you imagine if it was Gillis that did this trade? He'd probably be dead by now lol

mb_
06-27-2014, 10:16 AM
With Kesler gone, guess Schneids is OK with coming back now :troll:

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:17 AM
I can't believe that we had Kesler, Schneider, and Luongo and basically gotten scraps in return haha fuuu

AzNightmare
06-27-2014, 10:18 AM
Also keep in mind Bonino is younger and had more points than Kesler last season

Bonino with 49 points. Younger and Cheaper.

Kesler with 43 points. Older and doesn't pass.

Lets see how he uses his wingers in Anaheim.

2011 Kesler is a long way away.

49 pts on top team vs 43 pts on a crap team.
There's potential though, so let's hope for the best.



I can't believe that we had Kesler, Schneider, and Luongo and basically gotten scraps in return haha fuuu

As much as I believe Canucks should have gotten more.
It really doesn't help when all 29 other GM's know Canucks NEED to get rid of the players.

XplicitLuder
06-27-2014, 10:20 AM
3rd in PTs on that team behind getzlaf/perry. And we ain't getting either of those :troll:

411ken
06-27-2014, 10:20 AM
49 pts on top team vs 43 pts on a crap team.
There's potential though, so let's hope for the best.

Yup.. just a waiting game now.. we shall see how many points Kesler puts up playing the PP with Getz/Perry... then we shall see how well bonino plays with Higgins/Kassian or whoever he plays with lol

EmperorIS
06-27-2014, 10:23 AM
Don't worry guys! We still got that Zack Kassian

2014-2015 Stanley Cup Champs! WOooooooooooo

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:23 AM
Luongo for Matthias
Schneider for Horvat
Kesler for Bonino

Yeesh

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 10:24 AM
:derp: canucks got sbisa because hes from Italy

Whats next 6th OA + shinkaruk + tanev for reinhart?

jeedee
06-27-2014, 10:24 AM
Luongo for Matthias
Schneider for Horvat
Kesler for Bonino

Yeesh

center depth wins championships :troll:

sonick
06-27-2014, 10:27 AM
http://twitter.com/strombone1/statuses/482590568258629632

highfive
06-27-2014, 10:27 AM
Strombone ‏@strombone1 1m

Disney World > Disneyland Cc: @Ryan_Kesler

hahahah oh luongo.

Selanne_200
06-27-2014, 10:28 AM
Yea that's the thing people are forgetting. Playing well protected behind getzlaf compared to kesler who's always playing against other teams top line is a totally different scenario. Don't get me wrong, it's a whole lot better than the likes of Matthias. Now that we have sbisa who's a top 6 defenseman, looks like garrison is gonna be moved.
I'm liking the bold changes to the line up regardless of the result for this upcoming season. Changes were long overdue after the 2011 SC final and getting knocked out of the first round 2 years in a row to eventually not making the playoffs. Also the declining production of the Sedins doesn't help

pastarocket
06-27-2014, 10:29 AM
-been talking to some guys at work about this Kesler trade.


What if Benning is creating a bigger package to get that no. 1 pick from Florida using Sbisa and the 24th pick?

Pick no. 6 and Sbisa/Shinkaruk for the no. 1 pick?

I say that something bigger is about to go down at the draft for the Florida pick.

Benning is just getting started. :suspicious:

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 10:30 AM
Bonino Sbisa + 1st round is quite a big package

Chris pronger fetch lupul sbisa + 1st round

will068
06-27-2014, 10:30 AM
Thanks for telling us something from last night, bro.

Damb.. I was into the NBA draft yesterday instead.

cliffhanger33
06-27-2014, 10:33 AM
edit: sorry was posted already above

PiuYi
06-27-2014, 10:36 AM
am i the only one that thinks this is a pretty decent trade? bonino and sbisa are solid pieces, and everybody's been on kesler's case for declining production since 2011 SJS series.... i like this trade


but moving garrison is kinda sad

pastarocket
06-27-2014, 10:41 AM
-cannot wait until what Benning has up his sleeve in terms of trades and drafts.

Hondaracer
06-27-2014, 10:42 AM
Trade Kesler to get Bonino, who you had in Santorelli and ya let him walk for free when ya could have gotten a home town discount

trancehead
06-27-2014, 10:44 AM
i pray to god that Benning did extensive homework on Bonino
And Sbisa is suppose to be a hard hitting physical defenseman. i hope so
their 10th pick would have been nice...

i think Benning has more up his sleeve today

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:44 AM
Trade Kesler to get Bonino, who you had in Santorelli and ya let him walk for free when ya could have gotten a home town discount

Exactly

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 10:45 AM
Bonino is legit

Everyone is overating injury prone Kesler

saiko
06-27-2014, 10:46 AM
Bonino is added for the help on our shootouts:

Nick Bonino - 2013 Season Highlights - YouTube

Durrann
06-27-2014, 10:47 AM
per Dreger's twitter

"Kesler's agent , Kurt Overhardt has high praise for Canucks GM Jim Benning. Says Benning worked very hard with the 2 teams given (Chi-Ana)"

jeedee
06-27-2014, 10:48 AM
Trade Kesler to get Bonino, who you had in Santorelli and ya let him walk for free when ya could have gotten a home town discount

Bonino >>> Santorelli

lacubrious1
06-27-2014, 10:48 AM
Kesler is far from the player he was.

Decent trade for a player with a NTC

Ch28
06-27-2014, 10:49 AM
Fuck Kesler for giving the Canucks only 2 teams to deal with. Most players usually give 5 or so. What a giant sack of shit

CRS
06-27-2014, 10:50 AM
Fuck Kesler for giving the Canucks only 2 teams to deal with. Most players usually give 5 or so. What a giant sack of shit

This. Right. Here.

mb_
06-27-2014, 10:57 AM
Fuck Kesler for giving the Canucks only 2 teams to deal with. Most players usually give 5 or so. What a giant sack of shit

Considering this, the trade isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

trancehead
06-27-2014, 11:03 AM
Fuck Kesler for giving the Canucks only 2 teams to deal with. Most players usually give 5 or so. What a giant sack of shit

its his right

you would not want to be dealt to butt fuck city of Columbus for instance
and you would want to be with a winner

Not really racist!
06-27-2014, 11:04 AM
Kesler and Murray right now

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/vhpy.gif

OGCStrike
06-27-2014, 11:08 AM
not bad of a trade considering benning was handcuffed to 2 teams.
right now our team is making a transition to younger players, majority of our players are already approaching 30 and 30+. By bringing in Bonino(26) and Sbisa(24), these are our transition players that when they reach their prime, horvat and co. will already be in our lineup (hopefully).

on to the draft! :concentrate:

Speed2K
06-27-2014, 11:13 AM
I don't know much about Bonino, but I like this trade better than the one Gillis seemingly had lined up with Pittsburgh at the trade deadline. At least Bonino has more offensive potential than Sutter.

highfive
06-27-2014, 11:15 AM
I don't know much about Bonino, but I like this trade better than the one Gillis seemingly had lined up with Pittsburgh at the trade deadline. At least Bonino has more offensive potential than Sutter.

I agree. Can't believe that Taj on twitter thinks the 2 2nd rounders and etem is a better deal.

highfive
06-27-2014, 11:17 AM
Vancouver Canucks ‏@VanCanucks 1m

#Canucks acquire 50th overall pick from Tampa Bay for Jason Garrison, the rights to Jeff Costello and Van's 7th round pick in 2015.

wow..

fsy82
06-27-2014, 11:18 AM
wow..

something big is going on

RiceIntegraRS
06-27-2014, 11:19 AM
we just lost 10mil in salary. we better be doin something. The Kesler trade was alright but i dont really understand the garrison trade.

highfive
06-27-2014, 11:19 AM
holy shit...jim benning is playing BeAGM mode on easy or some shit?

xeryusx
06-27-2014, 11:20 AM
Salary dump was the purpose. Shit, makes you think there's a giant wave coming. So exciting!

411ken
06-27-2014, 11:21 AM
Bad ticket sales = Owners telling GM to clean house probably :P

Tank for Mcdavid is on!! hahaha

Not really racist!
06-27-2014, 11:22 AM
Garrison sucked ass here but damn, he waived to leave HOME

What a nice guy...

411ken
06-27-2014, 11:22 AM
Watch them spend it on Ryan Miller lol

highfive
06-27-2014, 11:23 AM
Tank for McDavid and wait for Toews and Kane to become UFA.

sonick
06-27-2014, 11:23 AM
Who is Jeff Costello

fsy82
06-27-2014, 11:24 AM
No Owner will want to tank the season. That will result in more lost revenue. Where do you guys come us with this shit.

Not really racist!
06-27-2014, 11:25 AM
you guys are delusional

that trade was a clear CAP DUMP

Ch28
06-27-2014, 11:25 AM
50th overall pick

WHAT THE FUCK

trancehead
06-27-2014, 11:26 AM
garrison

http://southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com/shared/sps/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_06/sp_0614_02_v6.jpg

AzNightmare
06-27-2014, 11:27 AM
we just lost 10mil in salary. we better be doin something. The Kesler trade was alright but i dont really understand the garrison trade.

Mats Sundin out of retirement. Strong leadership presence.

411ken
06-27-2014, 11:27 AM
No Owner will want to tank the season. That will result in more lost revenue. Where do you guys come us with this shit.

If we somehow get the #1 pick next year.. wouldn't that drive the ticket sales even more then use all the cap then....:pokerface:

fsy82
06-27-2014, 11:27 AM
we lost about 14-15 million if you include Booth as well

fsy82
06-27-2014, 11:29 AM
If we somehow get the #1 pick next year.. wouldn't that drive the ticket sales even more then use all the cap then....:pokerface:

I dont mind getting the number 1 pick. but you guys are suggesting the owner is telling the GM to make the team shit so we get the number one pick next year..that is delusional. to make money you got to spend money. and in the NHL playoffs equals $$$$$ for the owner

RiceIntegraRS
06-27-2014, 11:31 AM
Garrison wasnt an overpaid player though.He still has a pretty good shot and was decent defensively. At 4.6mil it still wasnt a bad contract

Mike Oxbig
06-27-2014, 11:32 AM
No Owner will want to tank the season. That will result in more lost revenue. Where do you guys come us with this shit.

McDavid will generate double if not triple the revenue for this season loss + a decade of playoff hockey.

411ken
06-27-2014, 11:32 AM
I dont mind getting the number 1 pick. but you guys are suggesting the owner is telling the GM to make the team shit so we get the number one pick next year..that is delusional. to make money you got to spend money. and in the NHL playoffs equals $$$$$ for the owner

ticket sales down this year...they have a lot of buy outs, etc (booth, torts, gillis, etc)... .. maybe the aquilinis have agreed to make ths year a "loss" per se.. who knows wtf happens between closed doors..