[twitchyzero]

hope people aren't dumb enough to throw tesla a 50k loan

the model 3 is suffering from delays as expected...and they want to introduce 2 more models? ha.

silicon valley hubris at its finest

[Nlkko]

1.9 sec 0-60
8.9 sec 1/4 mile
620 mile highway range
Beautiful car.

[asian_XL]

1.9 sec 0-60
8.9 sec 1/4 mile
620 mile highway range
Beautiful car.

it probably weight 6000lb with 200kwh battery

[thumper]

coverage from yesterday's reveal: https://youtu.be/9NwKxmZZwE0

https://youtu.be/tw4jkyfY4HE

[Badhobz]

utter insanity. If they can pull this off for 150k, i think ill jump on board. Elon looks more like a bond villian with each press release.

I just bought a new friggin toy :okay:

edit: nevermind, i read its going to be north of 200k USD. so probably 250k canuck buck.

[Bender Unit]

Well, 1st thing first

Let get the model 3 production going.
made deposit within 30 minutes of online reservation.
now it said my expect delivery is Late 2018.
2.5 years wait FailFish

[thumper]

did they say that the truck and this roadster won't happen until after 2020?

[threezero]

utter insanity. If they can pull this off for 150k, i think ill jump on board. Elon looks more like a bond villian with each press release.

I just bought a new friggin toy :okay:

edit: nevermind, i read its going to be north of 200k USD. so probably 250k canuck buck.

cant believe ppl are falling for this.

Havn't even iron out the production issue with model 3 that elon has ALREADY TAKEN LOTS OF DEPOSIT FOR.

goes ahead and spent R&D money and time on two new model that you know wont be deliver anywhere near their promise date.


silicon valley at its best. this is a car manufacture company that at one point is worth more than GM

[twitchyzero]

when model 3 reservations opened...i predicted shipping for Canada to start late 2019 or 2020+ as they were having serious problems with the production of the x

i think the semi-truck is good
they say it's just a scaled up model 3

but this is not the right time to be re-introducing a low-volume sports car though...it's the exact opposite mantra of making Teslas affordable and thus electric car mass market with the 3 and they are failing to even deliver on that

this is basically crowdsourcing...pledge us...and your product might eventually come...no promise if it would even come close to what we had projected for.

[threezero]

when model 3 reservations opened...i predicted shipping for Canada to start late 2019 or 2020+ as they were having serious problems with the production of the x

i think the semi-truck is good
they say it's just a scaled up model 3

but this is not the right time to be re-introducing a low-volume sports car though...it's the exact opposite mantra of making Teslas affordable and thus electric car mass market with the 3 and they are failing to even deliver on that

this is basically crowdsourcing...pledge us...and your product might eventually come...no promise if it would even come close to what we had projected for.


Elon is not running tesla like the car manufacturing company it is.

But i think this unveil is Elon admitting that he was way over his head with the mass production affordable model 3.

tesla investors should be piss off on how many different project elon is taking on despite setback and critical delay on what was suppose to be the company's lifeline mass production model 3.

tesla stock bubble need to pop

[Nlkko]

twitchyZERO and threeZERO are not happy with this release. :fullofwin:

[twitchyzero]

would love to have a tesla-like EV

except i'm not confident they'll be around as a car mfg when i'm looking for a new ride if they keep this up (new model announcements to get a quick loan when the 3 is suffering)

The company said it would produce 1,500 Model 3s in the third quarter but only produced 260

https://www.recode.net/2017/11/1/16593134/tesla-model-3-elon-musk-production-q3-earnings-2017

[threezero]

would love to have a tesla-like EV

except i'm not confident they'll be around as a car mfg when i'm looking for a new ride if they keep this up (new model announcements to get a quick loan when the 3 is suffering)



https://www.recode.net/2017/11/1/16593134/tesla-model-3-elon-musk-production-q3-earnings-2017

this.

loblaw walmart has already pre order the semi.

Tesla is setting themselves up for a world of hurt when they can't deliver both the consumer mass production model 3 AND preordered semi for the retail sector.

Dont get me wrong I like the new release I really do. But until they fix their production issue. All tesla is known for is false promise and that they spent investor's money on making new prototypes that we now all know they can't deliver.

When you production line still hand building mass production car, clearly the priority is to release new models and take preorders for that first.:fullofwin:

[!LittleDragon]

Rented a Model S in Vegas last week. Impressed with the way it drove. Did not like the charge time. Took about 9 hours to charge from 60% to full using the hotel charger.

Did not like everything being controlled by the screen. Took 3 taps to open the roof. Had to take my eyes off the road to do it. Same for things like setting the climate. Put some knobs and buttons back into the car .

If I worked at Tesla, I'd build a Electric/Hydrogen hybrid. You can go your 300 mile range on electric and if the battery dies, it can operate as a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. You can fill it up with hydrogen as well as plug it in to charge. Which ever is more convenient. Even better, the car can use the hydrogen fuel cell to charge the batteries when you're not driving it.

[Lomac]

Unfortunately Tesla is far from the only car company to use screens to control almost every aspect of the car. I do agree, though, that certain things should still be kept seperate from the main control screen. Volvo's system is the best I've seen/used so far (haven't driven a Tesla yet, so I can't comment on that one) but even with that I was still wishing for physical buttons to adjust the heater fan.

[Gerbs]

tesla stock bubble need to pop

What valuation would you place on $TSLA?

[Nlkko]

Unfortunately Tesla is far from the only car company to use screens to control almost every aspect of the car. I do agree, though, that certain things should still be kept seperate from the main control screen. Volvo's system is the best I've seen/used so far (haven't driven a Tesla yet, so I can't comment on that one) but even with that I was still wishing for physical buttons to adjust the heater fan.

Tech control scale better vs. analog control. They can push OTA update if there's an issue vs. having to recall an entire model line.

They need to improve their voice command system though. It's rubbish so it's true you have to play with the screen a lot to get shit done. We own a model S.

[Hector3Civics]

looks nutty

[Lomac]

Tech control scale better vs. analog control. They can push OTA update if there's an issue vs. having to recall an entire model line.

They need to improve their voice command system though. It's rubbish so it's true you have to play with the screen a lot to get shit done. We own a model S.

Oh, I agree that OTA updates are fantastic when it comes to patching software glitches. However, from a usability standpoint, I still much prefer physical buttons/knobs I can manipulate without having to take my eyes off the road.

[twitchyzero]

it's basically 2018 so anything mechanical = dinosaur
that's why phonemakers don't really want headphone jack no more :)

[twitchyzero]

TSLA is blowing through over $1B each quarter

Tesla is blowing through US$8,000 every minute amid Model 3 woes | Financial Post (http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/autos/tesla-is-blowing-through-us8000-every-minute-amid-model-3-woes)

[blaze142]

It's crazy how TSLA can be one of the most valuable auto companies when it has yet to post any profitable numbers.

[prudz]

I'm happy Tesla is doing what they are doing regardless of maybe biting off more than they can chew, dealing with production delays etc. The reason i'm happy is it is putting pressures on the auto industry and all the other manufactures in a way we have never seen before. Tesla is helping create a movement in the auto sector for every company to get on board and start producing EV's, Hybrids and step up the R&D we all need at this point in society.

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xocBqB5bARY

Not sure if anyone's seen this yet. I'm not a fan of the lack of instrument cluster. I wouldn't feel right without instant information right in my line of sight.

[twitchyzero]

for sucha high tech car it should've been a hud in the windshield, but not a dealbreaker for me

[freakshow]

what would you guys do?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hvgxe7ohezd8wkv/email.png?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vk8n27u7h5rdohs/summary.png?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e951lnevth0ye2i/paint.png?raw=1

[asian_XL]

even white cost you 1300? what colour is free?

[bcedhk]

im guessing red or black?

[Qmx323]

even white cost you 1300? what colour is free?

They know their market.

Its no coincidence that like 7 out of 10 cars in Richmond are white.

I regret getting white myself.

[Teriyaki]

The long range battery for 12k is a pretty ridiculous asking price.

[UnknownJinX]

The long range battery for 12k is a pretty ridiculous asking price.Math tells me that it's about more than 2 years worth of gas...

I also wonder how long it takes to charge it, and how much heavier the car is.

[GS8]

Tesla not fairing so well in the markets recently.

Moody's downgraded Tesla's credit ratings Tuesday and changed its outlook to negative from stable, citing "significant shortfall" in the Model 3 production rate and a tight financial situation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/moodys-downgrades-tesla-credit-rating-on-model-3-production-delays.html

[68style]

$65k for a Model3 hahahahahaha there's going to be a lot of pissed off people who can't do math and don't understand exchange rates or are automobile n00bs and don't realize how shafted Canada almost always gets on car prices... they all thought they'd be buying an electric for $35k... that's a fucking ridiculous price...

The 'entry level' electric car... entry level for who?

"But I'll save gas!"

Buy a Civic, better build quality and you'd have to drive it around the world 10 times to even come close to spending the difference on gas.

Tesla's sales model for cars is a joke, good thing it's an inside joke since they're actually a battery company, not a car company and that's where they're going to make all their money in the future -- selling battery systems to everyone as all the other manufacturers convert.

[twitchyzero]

how's 35k ridiculous? isn't that leaf or bolt territory?
but yeah 60k i'd rather buy a used model S if their batteries hold decent charge

[Hondaracer]

Because it’s impossivle to get it for 35k

Feel better about not putting down a deposit now. Could almost buy a used model S for the same price if u were so inclined

[UnknownJinX]

Well, you can't get negotiate the prices on new Teslas because they don't have dealers. You just pay the MSRP.

[yray]

saw one at market xing one day

nice for 35k
not nice for 65k lol

[Hondaracer]

Well, you can't get negotiate the prices on new Teslas because they don't have dealers. You just pay the MSRP.

not about negotiation, when the deposits were taken most seemed to be under the assumption that you'd be getting a base model for around 35k

clearly with some options and the canadian exchange rate you're looking at closer to 50, and in the case above, 65 rather than 35 and a few thousand of options.

[noclue]

I think the long-range battery is pointless unless you want to go on a road trip past chiliwack/bellingham/squamish.

If you can get past the looks/brand image, the bolt/clarity seems like the better buy.

[Alpine]

They know their market.

Its no coincidence that like 7 out of 10 cars in Richmond are white.

I regret getting white myself.

That's how Tesla does colours. A friend bought a Model S and here's how it works: You HAVE to pick a colour and you HAVE to pay for it. There's no default colour or $0 option. If you want a Model S you have to pay for a colour. If you don't pay for a colour you don't buy the car. Simple as that.

[Manic!]

And theirs this: Tesla Bankruptcy: Why This Wall Streeter Thinks It Will Happen | Fortune (http://fortune.com/2018/03/27/tesla-bankruptcy/)

Also all the Tesla model S cars p100, p90, p85 have the same size battery pack. They just gimp the battery with software. Wonder if it's the same with the model 3.

[underscore]

If Tesla did leave the market for whatever reason I would think the value of the existing cars would tank even harder than if a conventional car manufacturer disappears (ie Saturn or Pontiac). $65k for a stepping stone car that may end up worthless seems like a bad idea to me, unless you're so loaded it doesn't matter.

[Hondaracer]

Everyone I know with a model S has a lease. Seems like the way to go with these cars

[UnknownJinX]

not about negotiation, when the deposits were taken most seemed to be under the assumption that you'd be getting a base model for around 35k

clearly with some options and the canadian exchange rate you're looking at closer to 50, and in the case above, 65 rather than 35 and a few thousand of options.

Ah, that makes sense.

Damn, that's not an economy EV at all. A fully optioned Accord is like CAN $42k MSRP.

I think the long-range battery is pointless unless you want to go on a road trip past chiliwack/bellingham/squamish.

If you can get past the looks/brand image, the bolt/clarity seems like the better buy.

Or wait for the shoebox rotary range extender LOL.

If I have to get a short-range EV, I think I will pick the e-Golf, which looks exactly like a Golf, just with shitty looking wheels(easy to fix anyway). The new Leaf doesn't look terrible, either.

If Tesla did leave the market for whatever reason I would think the value of the existing cars would tank even harder than if a conventional car manufacturer disappears (ie Saturn or Pontiac). $65k for a stepping stone car that may end up worthless seems like a bad idea to me, unless you're so loaded it doesn't matter.

I mean Saturn and Pontiac were both under GM, and GM still exists, so I don't think you are completely SOL when it comes to support.

If Tesla tanks, yeah that will be different. Good luck finding parts for it.

[twitchyzero]

there's so few parts on a vehicle built ground-up as an EV though
doesn't get more mickey mouse than Model 3

[Jmac]

not about negotiation, when the deposits were taken most seemed to be under the assumption that you'd be getting a base model for around 35k

clearly with some options and the canadian exchange rate you're looking at closer to 50, and in the case above, 65 rather than 35 and a few thousand of options.
I believe it was $35k USD, which is $45.2k CAD according to today's exchange rate.

$20k in options is what's pushing it to $65k

[asian_XL]

how's 35k ridiculous? isn't that leaf or bolt territory?
but yeah 60k i'd rather buy a used model S if their batteries hold decent charge

Know a guy who works at Tesla Hong Kong, he shows me his own Model S 60 with 70k km, it can still last 90%+ of the claim mileage. He has serviced a uber P85 with 160k and its range lasted no less than 90%.

yes, if 60k, I would buy a pre-owned one from Tesla. Also, checked out some used Nissan Leaf and they have changed battery before 40k km.

[Gerbs]

what would you guys do?
]

After pricing everything out is was like $64k + tax. :okay:. At that point i'd consider a used model S with 8 year unlimited mile warranty.

[68style]

I guess the 1 saving grace if you’re driving a POS beater between scrapit and the government you can get $11,000 off the price... still... :ahwow:

[Hakkaboy]

Know a guy who works at Tesla Hong Kong, he shows me his own Model S 60 with 70k km, it can still last 90%+ of the claim mileage. He has serviced a uber P85 with 160k and its range lasted no less than 90%.

yes, if 60k, I would buy a pre-owned one from Tesla. Also, checked out some used Nissan Leaf and they have changed battery before 40k km.

Wow, driving as an UBER racked up 160K KMs on a 3 year old car...in HK?

[Special K]

what would you guys do?



Any financing or lease options?

[whitev70r]

After pricing everything out is was like $64k + tax. :okay:. At that point i'd consider a used model S with 8 year unlimited mile warranty.

Me too ... like this maybe:

2014 Tesla Model S S85 - $61K
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/cto/d/2014-tesla-model-s85/6544020005.html

Or if an S 60 will do, 2014 Tesla S60 $44K
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/d/2014-tesla-model-60-kwh-fully/6543898953.html

[Manic!]

Tesla recall 123,000 vehicles

https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/29/tesla-model-s-recall/

[twitchyzero]

awful week (and quarter) for Tesla
they're supposed to be churning out 3,000 Model 3's a week by now...bahaha right
the apple engineer who died apparently complained to Tesla about a malfunctioning in a previous servicing

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4601302.1522535077!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_1180/tesla-crash.jpg?imwidth=720
Tesla says vehicle in deadly California crash was on autopilot | CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/tesla-fatal-crash-autopilot-selfdriving-car-1.4601297)

[underscore]

the apple engineer who died apparently complained to Tesla about a malfunctioning in a previous servicing

It can't have been that bad if he trusted the vehicle to b on autopilot and took his hands off the wheel even though you aren't supposed to.

[twitchyzero]

do you think anyone before hearing of all these more recent accidents will actually keep their hands on the wheel when it's under auto-pilot?

I think if you've gone through dozens of trips without issues you'll just naturally put your guard down

some are even napping from point A to B

I think the stats will still support that AI is less accident-prone than humans, but we're going to have tons of growing pain before we work out the kinks

anyways for some reason I assumed aluminum was more durable than steel...didn't expect to sheer off like in the above photo

[turbomelon]

The complaints he had were about that specific barrier and autopilot's behavior around it. It just seems a little convenient that Tesla always seems/claims to have data that exonerates them.

[westopher]

I don't think it should even be legal for them to offer the autopilot feature if you are supposed to keep control of the vehicle anyways. Its clearly not something even the manufacturer, full of engineers believes it. Why put that in the hands of an average human who probably lacks understanding of the severity of the consequences.

[Lomac]

I don't think it should even be legal for them to offer the autopilot feature if you are supposed to keep control of the vehicle anyways. Its clearly not something even the manufacturer, full of engineers believes it. Why put that in the hands of an average human who probably lacks understanding of the severity of the consequences.

Kinda agree. I've driven a few different cars with their own variant of Autopilot and they all require hands-on interaction. They also don't' work very well if the roads you're on aren't clearly marked or if it's raining at night. Just seems silly to have this as an option without full automation controlling it.

[underscore]

The complaints he had were about that specific barrier and autopilot's behavior around it.

Yet he still used the autopilot while driving past it.

I don't think it should even be legal for them to offer the autopilot feature if you are supposed to keep control of the vehicle anyways.

I can't figure out what the point of it is supposed to be. To use it safely you need to be paying even more attention than if you were driving normally, and if you don't properly pay attention you're just going to have a worse accident than if you were driving normally since you're now thrown into an emergency with no idea what is going on. Where is the benefit?

If they are going to allow this to be legal then there should be a big light on the roof like a taxi that comes on when it's on autopilot so I can stay the fuck away from it. When people have become so bad at not staring at a phone while driving that they had to make new laws around it then I highly doubt many people will be using autopilot correctly.

[HonestTea]

Yet he still used the autopilot while driving past it.



I can't figure out what the point of it is supposed to be. To use it safely you need to be paying even more attention than if you were driving normally, and if you don't properly pay attention you're just going to have a worse accident than if you were driving normally since you're now thrown into an emergency with no idea what is going on. Where is the benefit?

If they are going to allow this to be legal then there should be a big light on the roof like a taxi that comes on when it's on autopilot so I can stay the fuck away from it. When people have become so bad at not staring at a phone while driving that they had to make new laws around it then I highly doubt many people will be using autopilot correctly.

+1

[freakshow]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would rather be driving next to a bunch of cars on auto-pilot than be between a sea of c-lais

[snowball]

I'm not a fan of autopilot doing all the driving for you.

Adaptive cruise is probably the best invention so far for highways and perfecting assist with highway merging would be the next step before autonomous programming.

[Manic!]

I'm not a fan of autopilot doing all the driving for you.


Just think of all the possibility's. Imagine on a hot day being able to crack a cold one in a car or having your car drive at night while you sleep so you arrive to you destination refreshed and ready to go. Think about parting in a RV while it drives to Vegas

Self driving cars are going to be awesome!!!

[freakshow]

Just think of all the possibility's. I can't wait for the day that i'm sitting on my couch, and from my phone, I tell my car to open the garage, go to mcdonalds, get me a 20pc, and come back

[gilly]

I can't wait for the day that i'm sitting on my couch, and from my phone, I tell my car to open the garage, go to mcdonalds, get me a 20pc, and come back

"Skip the dishes" app lol.

[Manic!]

I can't wait for the day that i'm sitting on my couch, and from my phone, I tell my car to open the garage, go to mcdonalds, get me a 20pc, and come back

What McDonald's won't have drone delivery?

[bomberR17]

Some investors were also speculating Tesla going to start a carpool/Uber like service where you can send your car out to earn a few bucks. Not a bad idea actually. Go to work, send your car out to make some money, profit. Thats probably why everything is electronic so the passengers can't access personal stuff and the glove box.

[twitchyzero]

^ can't wait for strangers to have orgies in my car

[Mr.Money]

awful week (and quarter) for Tesla
they're supposed to be churning out 3,000 Model 3's a week by now...bahaha right
the apple engineer who died apparently complained to Tesla about a malfunctioning in a previous servicing

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4601302.1522535077!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_1180/tesla-crash.jpg?imwidth=720[/IMG]
Tesla says vehicle in deadly California crash was on autopilot | CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/tesla-fatal-crash-autopilot-selfdriving-car-1.4601297)



i like how they're hiding what speed he was going at before the crash,with all those batterys onboard and a little fire & heat,holy shit has that car fell to pieces in a crash...but how Fast was he going???...90km?...70?..

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/9xOnq7xaewc

[twitchyzero]

the article I read yesterday said it's to fix bottlenecks for production ramps
they did something similar in Feb

[thumper]

the article I read yesterday said it's to fix bottlenecks for production ramps
they did something similar in Feb

correct

https://youtu.be/n5d0YEUA_Pc

[kunoman1]

Some investors were also speculating Tesla going to start a carpool/Uber like service where you can send your car out to earn a few bucks. Not a bad idea actually. Go to work, send your car out to make some money, profit. Thats probably why everything is electronic so the passengers can't access personal stuff and the glove box.

Not really speculation - quite a few car companies are interested in providing car services rather than merely acting as manufacturers. Doing my masters degree right now in planning and most of the profs believe this to be the future of mobility (although the timeframe of deployment is still up in the air).

[twitchyzero]

are these in Vancouver yet?
saw one in-person south of the border
can't believe beta testers of the DJI Corolla have to fork out 50k+

[twitchyzero]

missed an obvious red object and smoked it at 100kph

https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/tesla-model-s-crash-south-jordan-720x720.jpg

https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/tesla-model-s-crashes-into-fire-truck-in-utah-at-60-mph/

and Tesla is restructuring

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-model-s-crashes-in-utah-and-more-executives-depart-2018-05-14

[Digitalis]

Dont need to be a professor to tell you this is the model plan for everything.
Get rid of the owners and make everyone rent. Way more profitable.
Not really speculation - quite a few car companies are interested in providing car services rather than merely acting as manufacturers. Doing my masters degree right now in planning and most of the profs believe this to be the future of mobility (although the timeframe of deployment is still up in the air).

[Jmac]

missed an obvious red object and smoked it at 100kph

https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/tesla-model-s-crash-south-jordan-720x720.jpg

https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/tesla-model-s-crashes-into-fire-truck-in-utah-at-60-mph/

and Tesla is restructuring

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-model-s-crashes-in-utah-and-more-executives-depart-2018-05-14
So another "driver" not paying attention blames the car. Who could've predicted that?

To me that's Tesla beating Darwinism.

[whitev70r]

Neighbour said that he is taking possession this weekend of his Model 3. Anyone else seen one on the road or better yet, anyone else taken possession and want to offer 1st impressions?

[jing]

Spent a week in Bellevue recently and saw a ton of model 3's.

[a90a93]

I saw one a couple weeks ago in Squamish but it had temp plates and was probbaly from the States. It looked better in the flesh.

[snowball]

Saw two with BC plates today, looks really plain.. but in a good way. One of the doors wasnt perfectly aligned though.

[BABU]

https://image.ibb.co/cKnuco/300_D177_C_85_D3_4_BD2_9_DBF_E32_D3_D2_BB970.jpg

[whitev70r]

Interesting ... do they all have those hideous looking wheels?

[twitchyzero]

looks like a Chinese car
no those are the aero wheels
agreed they look better in person...but still lol people are dropping 65k for one (questionable build quality and reliability)

[68style]

Saw a few in the USA, ugly as fuck

[Jmac]

2018 Tesla Model 3 Premium Package - VANCOUVER $72,000 | autoTRADER.ca (http://www.autotrader.ca/a/tesla/model%203/vancouver/british%20columbia/19_10675393_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&orup=1_3_3&pc=V9L%202Y9&sprx=100)

[whitev70r]

^ Oh my, the whole car looks hideous, not just the wheels. It has no front grill/nose ... looks like Voldemort. Original list of $35K doubled to $70+ ??!!. Rather get a used model S P85!

[Jmac]

^ Oh my, the whole car looks hideous, not just the wheels. It has no front grill/nose ... looks like Voldemort. Original list of $35K doubled to $70+ ??!!. Rather get a used model S P85!
$35K USD (~$45.5K CAD) for the base model (plus taxes, PDI, etc.), but as another user who posted earlier in the thread noted, the options can add up quick.

[twitchyzero]

wow that rear quarter panel gap line is unfortunate

http://i.imgur.com/MgB6P73.png

[whitev70r]

^ I think tight fit quarter panel design is an extra $3000 option on the Model 3.

[MG1]

You think that’s bad, you should check out the gap between body panels on a Meccanica <sp?> Solo. I saw a display model at Aberdeen Mall a few months ago and the gaps were all over the map. You’d figure that a display model would be meticulous. Nope.

[twitchyzero]

I assume the trunk is just not closed properly :badpokerface:

https://i.imgur.com/B7k4GIz.jpg

[snowball]

I'll give the first pic a break since trunk gaps are usually not the same as bumper gaps... but the second one :fuckthatshit:

[J____]

for that price in canada, Honestly I'd rather buy a civic or a corolla...

[dapperfied]

:heckno:

[Mr.Money]

i bet you if anything important breaks down the parts will be expensive as fuck because "limited Electric car"

[320icar]

Last few days I’ve seen 5+ driving around so clearly a bunch have been delivered. Then today I saw a whole transport truck full of em’

[G0rilla]

Hahaha a bunch of CL FS ads are already dropping a couple of grand off their original asking price

Guess the waitlist isnt as long or the hype isnt as big as those resellers hoped it woudl be

[Nvasion]

i saw one at oakridge today and it looks horrible!

[twitchyzero]

think they'll let me bring my dinosaur burner to a Tesla meet?

[Manic!]

2018 Tesla Model 3 Premium Package - VANCOUVER $72,000 | autoTRADER.ca (http://www.autotrader.ca/a/tesla/model%203/vancouver/british%20columbia/19_10675393_/?showcpo=ShowCpo&orup=1_3_3&pc=V9L%202Y9&sprx=100)

Now only $68000.PogChamp

[whitev70r]

Saw a few as well, ugliest $65-70+K car hands down. You should be able to pick up a used one for a lot less real soon after buyers remorse. Provided you even want to be seen in that hideous lookin thing.

Buyers kicking themselves why they didn't get a used model S P85 instead.

[twitchyzero]

honestly I feel bad, who else wasn't caught in that Tesla 3 reservation hype?

about 1/4 of the deposits have been refunded, but the car is still selling

https://electrek.co/2018/06/04/tesla-model-3-reservations-refunded-report/

either way looks are subjective, and the tech-loving Apple crowd that Tesla attracts probably won't even notice the panel gaps

I will at least give Tesla the credit for shipping out without the delays I had anticipated (late 2019 I was assuming for Vancouver, just using Model X as a predictor)

[donjalapeno]

Ive seen a couple around Coquitlam. It doesn't look THAT bad. I would say its nicer than a i3 or a Leaf.

[Koflach]

it's a great looking car, can't wait to get mine!

[G0rilla]

Are people even making any money by trying to resell them or inflate the pricing? According to Tesla website, the model 3 being released is 64k, not the entry level 49k one. That one doesn't get released till next year

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/model-3-reservations-FAQ

[68style]

Can’t believe Tesla stock has been bumping up so much lately with all the problems... makes no sense whatsoever

[!Aznboi128]

Ive seen a couple around Coquitlam. It doesn't look THAT bad. I would say its nicer than a i3 or a Leaf.
The new Leaf isn't bad... the old one I would agree

[Nlkko]

Can’t believe Tesla stock has been bumping up so much lately with all the problems... makes no sense whatsoever

Very unhealthy behavior. Their financials are terrible. And the after-hours news bomb & dramas. The share buyback from CEOs. Very Enron-like. Their book is probably a mess.

Sad because I still wish Musk to succeed.

[underscore]

Has anyone got the electric Hyundai? My father in law keeps jumping between that and the Tesla, he's shying away from the Hyundai since the local dealers have less than stellar reviews but a) Tesla doesn't have any dealers here and b) what would you even need to bring an electric vehicle to the dealer for? I don't think they have any of the short-life fluids and filters anyways (oil and air).

[GLOW]

neighbour has a new leaf. have to admit looks pretty damn nice imo

[TOPEC]

Has anyone got the electric Hyundai? My father in law keeps jumping between that and the Tesla, he's shying away from the Hyundai since the local dealers have less than stellar reviews but a) Tesla doesn't have any dealers here and b) what would you even need to bring an electric vehicle to the dealer for? I don't think they have any of the short-life fluids and filters anyways (oil and air).

?

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2678931,-123.1408862,3a,75y,222.87h,100.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snHhGue4811KIAbMKJtfYDA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

[twitchyzero]

he lives in kelowna

[BIC_BAWS]

Been seeing a lot around west end or UBC area. It looks like they took a model x, and squished it. You can even see where it "squished"

[MG1]

If you want to go see one, just go to the parking lot next to Hastings Park Racecourse. The one next to Bridgeview Drive. By the looks of it, that's where Tesla unloads/stores their vehicles. I would say around 100 or more are stored there. Many are still wrapped and there's a couple of tents with Tesla logos there. Dealer prep done there? Anyway..........

[!Aznboi128]

Got a chance to look at one a bit more closely yesterday, panel gaps on this particular model wasn't that bad but overall shape is odd. The proportions seems off as it's a lot taller than anticipated. I guess the batteries has to go somewhere so the floor is raised and the roof is raised to accommodate passengers.

[bmcmking]

All of them was shipped to the PNE from the states. Instead of going to the dealership to claim them they had to go directly to the PNE to claim them. But they moved already because it was costing Tesla 50G to rent that place.


If you want to go see one, just go to the parking lot next to Hastings Park Racecourse. The one next to Bridgeview Drive. By the looks of it, that's where Tesla unloads/stores their vehicles. I would say around 100 or more are stored there. Many are still wrapped and there's a couple of tents with Tesla logos there. Dealer prep done there? Anyway..........

[whitev70r]

Was at Park Royal and dropped by Tesla to sit in a Model 3, the interior is uglier than the exterior. The dash has nothing except the center console display, no instrument cluster. The steering wheel is so bare, has 2 buttons.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/597bceae4528e621008b58b2-960-599.jpg

[bmcmking]

I kind of agree with you there.... But seriously I wonder how the cops will react to this lol. Instead of cellphones , people will be constantly on the touch screen display


Was at Park Royal and dropped by Tesla to sit in a Model 3, the interior is uglier than the exterior. The dash has nothing except the center console display, no instrument cluster. The steering wheel is so bare, has 2 buttons.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/597bceae4528e621008b58b2-960-599.jpg

[twitchyzero]

why would the cops care? a mounted phone/tablet/gps is perfectly legal...this isn't that different

[bmcmking]

Well if people keep on using it while driving , Im sure cops will find a way to care.


why would the cops care? a mounted phone/tablet/gps is perfectly legal...this isn't that different

[Badhobz]

why would the cops care? a mounted phone/tablet/gps is perfectly legal...this isn't that different

Buddy of mine got pulled over for watching YouTube on his dash mounted phone. Said he was distracted. I don't see how this giant tablet is any different. If you stare at the gps isn't it the same ?

[whitev70r]

why would the cops care? a mounted phone/tablet/gps is perfectly legal...this isn't that different

Well if people keep on using it while driving , Im sure cops will find a way to care.

Here is link to BC government on what is allowed and what is not when it comes to use of electronic devices - https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/driving-and-transportation/driving/publications/electronic-devices-while-driving.pdf

It appears that much is hinged on if it is mounted or not. Essentially, anything that is mounted is permissible except that you need to program your destination on a GPS while car is stopped and no finger texting even on mounted phones (if you have voice to text, I suppose that is legit).

But with all the gadgets & controls of the vehicle on that one center screen on a Tesla, I think that it could border on distracted driving.

[Hondaracer]

I think the simplicity of the cluster and wheel is what appeals to a lot of model 3 owners

[!Aznboi128]

Anyone noticed how cramps the back seats are?

[Koflach]

I think the simplicity of the cluster and wheel is what appeals to a lot of model 3 owners

That's what is drawing me to it. I can't stand how many physical buttons manufacturers are putting on their cars these days. Simplicity of design is great. Cell phones ditched the majority of buttons for touch screens a while back, the same idea is being applied here.

[twitchyzero]

to me it depends what it is i'm trying to achieve

ie ever since my first smartphone I hated having any type of hardware (capacitive or otherwise) button on the front

on my car radio I find it cumbersome it has no volume knob...a knob just gets the job done so much quicker

I agree a minimalist car interior is appealing, but don't innovate for the sake of it and not actually improve any convenience or functionality

I know they would be ridiculed if they tried bringing an 80s/90s interior into a 'futuristic' vehicle but maybe go back to the roadster/lotus roots?

https://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/01/29/10/26/1996_honda_civic_del_sol_2_dr_vtec_coupe-pic-62983-1600x1200.jpeg
https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/tesla-roadster-7.jpg?itok=DupQp0Sa

remember how a car used to be worth less than a sum of its parts? not really true for model 3…not a fancy aluminum or cf body but you're really paying for R&D aka just keeping this company alive

[underscore]

Cell phones ditched the majority of buttons for touch screens a while back

Yeah and it's shit to work with. With my old slider phone I could type without looking and rarely make a mistake, now I have to stare at the screen and make mistakes all the time. It's just a minor annoyance on a phone, but in a vehicle you *need* to be able to operate things by feel alone. Having a giant tablet bolted to the dash doesn't remove the buttons, it just changes how you press them into a subpar format.

Not to mention if it gets damaged in some way you lose everything.

[Hondaracer]

I’ve only driven the model S but it’s touch screen seemed completely intuitive and easy to use/find what you’re looking for.

The 3’s seems a little more akward (at least from pictures) with the way it’s mounted

[whitev70r]

I’ve only driven the model S but it’s touch screen seemed completely intuitive and easy to use/find what you’re looking for.

The 3’s seems a little more akward (at least from pictures) with the way it’s mounted

It is exactly as you imagined it to be ... awkward because it is diagonal to the right ... unless it has HUD for the normal things like tach, speedo, etc. I think your main feedback display should be in your line of sight. Maybe owner can chime in.

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

I will forever stick with a manual gasoline engine till the day they are gone

[twitchyzero]

even if gas stations start disappearing and 87 costs $5/L?

[twitchyzero]

props for hitting their quota and getting it done
I would be very concerned about the durability/longevity of these Model 3s though

- robots are pushed past their factory-specs to crank out 1000 vehicles daily
- workers are doing 70+ hours a week
- their extended production line is a tent in the parking lot
- they've removed 300 welds deemed unnecessary

you'd think they're trying to build arms for another world war or something :heckno:

now let's see those 35k USD Teslas soon without asking more for basic paint

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-did-it-with-a-ton-of-caveats-1827285289

[yray]

hahaha now some tesla 3 gonna have the subframe problem of the e46

[twitchyzero]

some in-depth info from dissembling it with a fine toothcomb for reverse engineering

https://youtu.be/CpCrkO1x-Qo

tl;dw
the electronics and battery are phenomenal (drive controller made by nvidia)
mechanicals are sub-par
body & build is similar to a 90s Kia...ouch

a tech company first and foremost...hope they learn lots from mass production

[Koflach]

some in-depth info from dissembling it with a fine toothcomb for reverse engineering

https://youtu.be/CpCrkO1x-Qo

tl;dw
the electronics and battery are phenomenal (drive controller made by nvidia)
mechanicals are sub-par
body & build is similar to a 90s Kia...ouch

a tech company first and foremost...hope they learn lots from mass production

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/29/munro-tesla-model-3-teardown-report-provokes-tesla/

TL;DR

Munro took apart a second car and found the panel gap issue (this is what was referred to in calling the build quality as that of a 90's kia) was gone.

[Nlkko]

Typical revscene bitching about panel gap and miss the point entirely:

Tesla Elon Musk orders Fremont engineers to stop brake and roll test - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-elon-musk-orders-engineers-to-stop-brake-and-roll-testing-2018-6)

[twitchyzero]

panel gaps are just the tip of the iceberg..if you bothered reading my last 2 posts


Munro took apart a second car and found the panel gap issue (this is what was referred to in calling the build quality as that of a 90's kia) was gone.

Munro et al had two 2 cars for teardown...he even said in that April interview it's hit and miss some are fine while others are garbage

so if Tesla's defense is true, it still doesn't address what happens if your'ps was produced in 2017 or early 2018 with 90s Kia finish? there's no lemon law here

the bigger issue seems to be removing hundreds of spot welds...so they traded one problem for a potentially a much larger one...are we gonna see crash tests re-done?

Munro suggested that Tesla is inexperienced outside battery and drive controller and the chassis is overtly-complicated and heavy and that it was impossible to sell at 36K without loss

[Koflach]

panel gaps are just the tip of the iceberg..if you bothered reading my last 2 posts



Munro et al had two 2 cars for teardown...he even said in that April interview it's hit and miss some are fine while others are garbage

so if Tesla's defense is true, it still doesn't address what happens if your'ps was produced in 2017 or early 2018 with 90s Kia finish? there's no lemon law here

the bigger issue seems to be removing hundreds of spot welds...so they traded one problem for a potentially a much larger one...are we gonna see crash tests re-done?

Munro suggested that Tesla is inexperienced outside battery and drive controller and the chassis is overtly-complicated and heavy and that it was impossible to sell at 36K without loss

Regarding profitability, the most accurate teardown of the vehicle to date shows material and logistics cost of $18k and labour cost of $10k. I think they can be profitable on that considering they have done zero marketing for the vehicle. (REF: https://electrek.co/2018/05/31/tesla-model-3-teardow-material-production-cost/)

For the overtly complicated and heavy vehicle that's being produced, when comparing it to a traditionally built ICE vehicle it's not really a fair comparison. Tesla has built these cars to be fast and safe first and foremost. So far, the vehicle has hit the mark on both of these (ref: 2018 Tesla Model 3 (http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan)).
Any panel gap issues or whatever else you can nitpick about it are quickly fixed upon delivery. One thing Tesla has done very well thus far is stand behind their vehicle and fix any issues with it.

[twitchyzero]

so we should take Munro's assessment with a grain of salt, as he suggested the heft doesn't help performance/safety? He's reverse engineered many EVs, not just ICE vehicles

if gaps are dealt with before delivery we wouldn't really hear about it...sadly there's quite a few out there with poor finish

do they service build quality issues on the dealer on west 4th?

cause they're not gonna prioritize your 'nitpick' concerns when they've setup a triage tent just to pump out 1000 vehicles/day

no they're not gonna fly out a technician from California unless you are Marques Brownlee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5z0dW60KE

[Nlkko]

Get this sample of one out of your way of thinking. One event via youtube video as evidence LUL. The fact that the cars were built under a tent doesn't matter. That's all media sensationalism bullshit. The fact that he ordered brake test, a critical safety procedure, to be skipped for the Model 3 line actually matters.

And your youtube videos BS. It's like the Model S car fire getting turned into a statement of safety of Tesla to satisfy confirmation bias. There are 200,000 car fires per anum. Model Ss and Model Xs are some of, if not, the safest cars in the the whole world.

Before you bash their safety, do this: count the rate of these Tesla defects and compare to those of other auto manufacturers. Use statistics instead of turning random events, and BS youtube videos into factual statement. The top quality auto makers Lexus has an average 73 defects per 100 cars. If I go out and look at 10 cars, seeing defects on 7 of them and conclude Lexus's quality is garbage, I'm an idiot.

These guys definitely have financial issues with creative accounting and there are a lot of investigative journalists looking into them.

[twitchyzero]

Marques' mishap wasn't just one event

his steering failed again after warranty service...he got lucky it didn't fail when it was a life/death situation...if you watch his other youtube videos he's a major TSLA fanboy so fabricating a lie for youtube dollars will jeoprodize his pretty solid reputation

as is Munro's...guys whos' been in the reverse engineering biz for decades and spends thousands of hours mapping each dissembly with clients from military organizations. So the second car had acceptable panel assembly, how about the mechanicals? is it still inferior than the industry average?

you're gonna buy that it's all simply bad luck the press from social media reviewers to consulting firms received defective units? really?

i agree they are under intense scrutiny right now..and rightfully so


https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Model-X-fatal-crash-mountain-view-ca-1-e1522477598715.jpg

yep looks safe, the X passed IIHS with flying colours so this one was clearly defective...an outlier...a freak accident...controlled lab tests are obviously indicitive of real world implications, move on guys

[Koflach]

It's good to see that Tesla has started to at least do the Roll part of the Brake and Roll test again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVFzcsdGaFk

[yray]

don't they have to retest with IIHS after removing 300 welds?

teslas overlap test are pretty bad for a 2017+ car

volvo s90 did the same thing as the model X (autonomous cruise control and 115km/h) and missed a parked maintenance truck you don't see the whole front end gone.
https://i.imgur.com/2FvpT4a.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g8ZzNAs.jpg
driver and passenger escape before car caught on fire

[Jmac]

Pics not showing

[twitchyzero]

damn that red 3 doing the brake test looked good

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/P2fLYBaCWKM

[twitchyzero]

just signed up for a test drive
be warned...I didn't check that I want the spam, still got spammed :rukidding:

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/drive?redirect=no

[Koflach]

just signed up for a test drive
be warned...I didn't check that I want the spam, still got spammed :rukidding:

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/drive?redirect=no

I got a call from them yesterday to set up a test drive but was told they are still waiting for their Model 3 to arrive. From what i understand, all the M3's for test drive will be the Performance AWD version.

[twitchyzero]

is that what you ordered?
i assume you just show up at the showroom and you get to go around the block and not an event like the bmw and mazda auto-x style testing?

[asian_XL]

https://youtu.be/P2fLYBaCWKM

the entire setup wakes the whole car up...but for daily use, I would wait for their air suspension.

The nose is still questionable, for sure someone is working on body kit for it.

[thumper]

the entire setup wakes the whole car up...but for daily use, I would wait for their air suspension.

The nose is still questionable, for sure someone is working on body kit for it.

i wonder how the awd version can do something about the understeer... or will the added weight just make things worse.

[Koflach]

the entire setup wakes the whole car up...but for daily use, I would wait for their air suspension.

The nose is still questionable, for sure someone is working on body kit for it.

If you want air suspension, get the Model S. They didn't include that on the 3 as they are trying to keep the cost down.

[Koflach]

is that what you ordered?
i assume you just show up at the showroom and you get to go around the block and not an event like the bmw and mazda auto-x style testing?

Nope, I have a RWD 3 on order.

[asian_XL]

Musk said air suspension will eventually come in 2018.

White body, black interior, dual motor, air suspension are on my wish list. :)

[68style]

Dang, my buddy ordered the Model 3 with AWD and Performance Pack.... over $100k before tax BrokeBack

So much for being the everyman's electric car... lol

[whitev70r]

^ your buddy has way too much money and not enough Auto IQ.

[68style]

^ your buddy has way too much money and not enough Auto IQ.

He's a huge car enthusiast and has had everything through the years from a Toyota Tercel to a Lotus Esprit V8 and Porsche 911 Turbo currently... he just wants what he wants. Possibly some input from his wife who is upgrading from an i3.

Too rich for my blood and too much $ in my opinion for what it is... but he's hardly alone and hardly a neophyte when it comes to cars. Keep in mind the Model X is nearly $200k with its option packages.

[whitev70r]

^ welp, what a terrible life he leads. Must suck to be him.

[GLOW]

there's needs to be a new "more than you can afford pal, tesla" meme Kappa

[Nlkko]

They changed the Model 3 price a few days back to more than 1.5x advertised. Basic is 50k USD now. Not gonna be an everyman's day car anytime soon haha. What a shit sandwich that company has become.

[Koflach]

They changed the Model 3 price a few days back to more than 1.5x advertised. Basic is 50k USD now. Not gonna be an everyman's day car anytime soon haha. What a shit sandwich that company has become.

That's strange as their Canadian website still says

Designed to attain the highest safety ratings in every category, Model 3 achieves up to 499 km of range while starting at only $45,600 before incentives.

Not sure where you got your numbers from but you might want to recheck them

[68style]

^ welp, what a terrible life he leads. Must suck to be him.

What are you trying to say? Comment doesn't make sense.

[Nlkko]

That's strange as their Canadian website still says



Not sure where you got your numbers from but you might want to recheck them

Go and design a Model 3.

[underscore]

Go and design a Model 3.

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/model3 says "Starting at $45,600 before incentives"

but then you click "Design Yours" and see:

https://3.tesla.com/en_CA/model3/design?redirect=no#battery saying $64,100 for RWD, $54,400 after incentives and savings*.

Then it gives you the choice of autopilot for $10,600, and you can't even legally use it yet.

On top of that, the "savings" is based on an estimate of how much you'll save in gas over 5 years, it's not an actual rebate or discount or anything.

:lawl:

[JqC]

^ Wow I had to see it for myself. Using gas "savings" to present a price like that does not sit well with me.

[AstulzerRZD]

Same guy who said the Tesla Model 3 had Kia level fit and finish on the outside has released the full costing for the M3 and claims it is more profitable than any other EV at 30% while likening the electronic modules like the drive module to be similar to the flight controller on the F-35 jet (Munro does work for the Pentagon)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCrkO1x-Qo

[bomberR17]

Isn't the price still the same? The $64k price is with long range battery and premium package. That's like $18k in add ons.

[asian_XL]

I would imagine any new car company will have Kia finish for sure.

To me Model 3 is like the replica chinese phone in the early 2010, which has a lot more features than big brand flagship, but quality is horrible.

The price of the 3 is not attractive if there is no govt incentive or tax reduction. If you want quality then you should buy the E-pace

[Koflach]

Go and design a Model 3.

yeah, the Short Range model 3 hasn't been made available for sale yet. Currently they are selling only long range versions. The SR version is the one that sells for $45,600. Their base version hasn't changed in price.

[Koflach]

Same guy who said the Tesla Model 3 had Kia level fit and finish on the outside has released the full costing for the M3 and claims it is more profitable than any other EV at 30% while likening the electronic modules like the drive module to be similar to the flight controller on the F-35 jet (Munro does work for the Pentagon)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCrkO1x-Qo

Here's the video where they talk about the profitability of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAS-yjWj9DY

[Koflach]

TL;DR - for many people, this could easily be —– the best car on the road, at any price

https://electrek.co/2018/07/21/tesla-model-3-performance-test-drive/

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/GPvD9IQWxIw

[twitchyzero]

https://youtu.be/3SSzF6htank

[Hondaracer]

Dang, my buddy ordered the Model 3 with AWD and Performance Pack.... over $100k before tax BrokeBack

So much for being the everyman's electric car... lol

at that price why not buck up a bit more and get the S?

S is infinitely nicer looking, same performance, etc

regardless of how much money you make, you gotta kinda feel like a bozo when you're driving around a 100k+ model 3..

[68style]

at that price why not buck up a bit more and get the S?

S is infinitely nicer looking, same performance, etc

regardless of how much money you make, you gotta kinda feel like a bozo when you're driving around a 100k+ model 3..

To get the same performance level/range on the S you gotta pay $160k+... that's more than just a bit more lol

[freakshow]

regardless of how much money you make, you gotta kinda feel like a bozo when you're driving around a 100k+ model 3..

I'm assuming the Model 3 performance versions will perform close to an M3, which is ~100k with a bunch of options.

[twitchyzero]

the S is getting long in the tooth (6 years old is basically dinosaur in BEVs but I admit it still looks plenty modern)

anyone who's willing to wait another 18 months for the infrastructure to catch up some more should cross-shop the P-car Taycan

its specs just announced today: 600hp, 500k range...to even think of the pedigree that will trickles down from the 919 Hybrid...dear lawd

https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/taycan-2-680x383.jpg

http://www.thedrive.com/news/22495/porsche-announces-taycan-ev-performance-specs

[asian_XL]

it will probably cost 200k

[!Aznboi128]

Any thoughts on buying a used slightly older Model S? doesn't seem like that bad of an idea...

[asian_XL]

if you don't mind the pre-facelifted model S, low resolution screen, 3g connection, you should always check out the used one from Tesla. It seems the battery can last quite a bit of time.

[!Aznboi128]

if you don't mind the pre-facelifted model S, low resolution screen, 3g connection, you should always check out the used one from Tesla. It seems the battery can last quite a bit of time.
was thinking of the slightly later models with LTE at least generally those you can have with supercharger, better screen etc

[Hondaracer]

As long as Tesla doesn’t go belly up you’d think the long term support for their cars should be good.

Most of the people I know with the S have them on lease, and pretty much all of them are the type to baby their vehicle, garage kept with the 220V chargers in place etc. if you can buy used lease returns I’d think the cars available are probably in pretty decent condition

[whitev70r]

Neighbour has a Model 3, said that 'it is a magnet for problems'. One owner's sentiment ... might only be his experience ... might be indicative of Model 3's ... ?? For what it's worth.

[thumper]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1023779158030077952

https://qz.com/1343907/teslas-elon-musk-tesla-delivered-a-model-3-straight-from-the-factory-this-sunday/

[Nlkko]

As long as Tesla doesn’t go belly up you’d think the long term support for their cars should be good.

Most of the people I know with the S have them on lease, and pretty much all of them are the type to baby their vehicle, garage kept with the 220V chargers in place etc. if you can buy used lease returns I’d think the cars available are probably in pretty decent condition

Need to change leadership. Co is too valuable for the EV movement to go chapter 11. Run it like a regular co. Valuation should be about 1/3 of what it is now.

[underscore]

As long as Tesla doesn’t go belly up you’d think the long term support for their cars should be good.

Musk is a nutcase so who knows, I guess it depends on how independent the company is from him.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1023779158030077952

https://qz.com/1343907/teslas-elon-musk-tesla-delivered-a-model-3-straight-from-the-factory-this-sunday/

So instead of trucking a load of cars wrapped in plastic (which I assume could be recycled) to the dealer, they want to send individual trucks to each customer? How exactly is that more environmentally friendly?

[twitchyzero]

Tesla truck
and who knows maybe it's a short detour to the lot
you can also argue the buyer has to somehow get to the lot in the first place

[yray]

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-1828306917

water catch basin and james bond style bumper trap

:ahwow:

[Koflach]

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-1828306917

water catch basin and james bond style bumper trap

:ahwow:

lol, it's a good thing we don't get a lot of rain here so my model 3 should be just fine...

[XSSIV]

In fifty years when I'm old AF, will early model Tesla's be considered vintage and worth a fortune?

[!Aznboi128]

lol, it's a good thing we don't get a lot of rain here so my model 3 should be just fine...
lol, drop of rain. Plops :fuuuuu:

[yray]

In fifty years when I'm old AF, will early model Tesla's be considered vintage and worth a fortune?

or it might end up like old duracell battery
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/uploads/default/_optimized/2a4/113/d2a28d8004_690x321.jpg

[thumper]

oops.

https://twitter.com/DietWrite/status/1029838596159619072

[!Aznboi128]

that looks awesome! when you want a different view from the inside just turn 180 lol

[Harvey Specter]

oops.

https://twitter.com/DietWrite/status/1029838596159619072

$78k for a Model 3??? People have lost their minds.

[twitchyzero]

tesla's not a traditional dealer, so is there still pdi?
i'd be fucking pissed if they missed that with pdi

[Hehe]

tesla's not a traditional dealer, so is there still pdi?
i'd be fucking pissed if they missed that with pdi

I think PDI is to cover the shipping of the car.

I figure all Vancouver's Tesla are shipped by truck given how many truck loaded with wrapped Teslas I've seen on I5.

[68style]

It literally stands for pre-delivery inspection... that’s why it’s a freight + PDI charge.

[Hehe]

$78k for a Model 3??? People have lost their minds.

Quite frankly though, isn't this like an industry trend?

I remember back in 2001 when I was a freshman in college, with 30k USD (45k CAD), I had a lot of car choices and if I was willing to go 50K USD (75K), I was balling out of control.

Today a 30k or even 50K USD (or equivalent in CAD) gets you nothing. A loaded freaking Odyssey is 50k CAD+.

Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.

Tesla just took it to the whole extreme. Starting config doesn't exist. There's not a single Tesla 3 without extended battery or any "options" from factory on road.

[Koflach]

$78k for a Model 3??? People have lost their minds.

so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?

[bcedhk]

so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?

I think if you have 78k to throw at for a car, the latter is only a side-line consideration.

for 78k, I would expect a car to have better build quality and design, of which I personally think the Tesla 3 falls short of. Heck, I would rather use 78k to get a new Genesis sedan and feel like a Korean drama CEO.

[GS8]

so you wouldn't want a 3.7 second car that you don't have to fill up with gas anymore?

I'd trust the build quality of a Rubbermaid garbage can over a Tesla Model 3. It's also where Tesla stocks are going.

[!LittleDragon]

Quite frankly though, isn't this like an industry trend?

I remember back in 2001 when I was a freshman in college, with 30k USD (45k CAD), I had a lot of car choices and if I was willing to go 50K USD (75K), I was balling out of control.

Today a 30k or even 50K USD (or equivalent in CAD) gets you nothing. A loaded freaking Odyssey is 50k CAD+.

Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.

Tesla just took it to the whole extreme. Starting config doesn't exist. There's not a single Tesla 3 without extended battery or any "options" from factory on road.


Cars are actually getting cheaper when adjusted for inflation. A Corolla started at $15,625 back in 2001. Add inflation and it's 21,325.58 for the same car today. That's about $500 short of today's top of the line Corolla. Corollas start at $16,790 now.

But yeah, aside from Hyundai, base cars are pretty bare bone. When I bought my Sonata, my options were engine/NAV/sunroof. My Genesis didn't even have options for the 5.0L. If you wanted that engine, you got everything else.

[Koflach]

I'd trust the build quality of a Rubbermaid garbage can over a Tesla Model 3. It's also where Tesla stocks are going.

Based on this list of people who have actually owned a Tesla, i'd say Tesla owners are pretty happy with their purchase.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/car-brands-ranked-by-owner-satisfaction/

[68style]

^
That survey is to be taken with a grain of salt though, it's about how satisfied you are with your purchase... and whether your choice is boring or derivative weighs heavily on the emotions involved in that feeling.

Also, what group of people are more smug and self-satisfied than electric car owners in general? They wouldn't admit being dissatisfied with their Tesla even if it spent half the 3 years in warranty repair.

[twitchyzero]

that ranking has chrysler 4 spots ahead of toyota
seems legit

[asian_XL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOlMFBO_bdI

[unit]

i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...

[Hondaracer]

the S is getting long in the tooth (6 years old is basically dinosaur in BEVs but I admit it still looks plenty modern)

anyone who's willing to wait another 18 months for the infrastructure to catch up some more should cross-shop the P-car Taycan

its specs just announced today: 600hp, 500k range...to even think of the pedigree that will trickles down from the 919 Hybrid...dear lawd

https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/taycan-2-680x383.jpg

Porsche Announces Taycan EV Performance Specs - The Drive (http://www.thedrive.com/news/22495/porsche-announces-taycan-ev-performance-specs)

Two family friends have the Taycan on pre-order. Interested to see the end product, and also hopefully drive one of them lol

[Koflach]

i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...

Yeah, i've heard the X is a nice vehicle but is/was quite prone to having issues. Being someone who has a Model 3 on order, ive seen far more positive reviews/comments on the 3 than negative. Take that for what you will.

[yray]

Two family friends have the Taycan on pre-order. Interested to see the end product, and also hopefully drive one of them lol

I read taycan, reminds me of lil'tay

I look at the car, it reminds me of lil'tays mom

[twitchyzero]

i mean tesla is still an american car manufacturer. consumer reports put the model x in the top 10 least reliable cars...

to be fair Tesla is more of a tech company than a traditional automaker

I would treat it like any silicon valley entity like AMD, Apple, etc.

I was supposed to get my Model 3 test drive today, but I tried rescheduling via emails and texts to no avail..

[underscore]

Not sure where it started... but the "starting" price of the manufacturer is pointless. A starting price is literally dry of anything decent. And they bundle the options... so, you can't cherry-pick options you want. You either go bundled together with a whole bunch of things or you ain't getting it.

What are you talking about, the base model of most vehicles now come with the same equipment a loaded model had a couple decades ago. A Corolla now comes standard with cabin filter, backup camera, bluetooth, automatic lights, bajillion input touchscreen stereo, power windows, power locks, keyless entry, exterior temp, radar cruise control, and a truckload of airbags. Aside from A/C all the stuff you can add with higher trim levels or option packages is a lot less useful.

Maybe other manufacturers are different but I remember when the base model had manual locks, mirrors, windows, maybe a cassette deck and nothing else.

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr9kK0_7x08

would've also liked seeing the tents in the parking lot, and i'm being serious

[asian_XL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgNIw8XRjzs

[Hondaracer]

Man, musk is on a different level. Must be stressful af to be him lol

[AstulzerRZD]

Tesla SW Engineering employee NDA has expired... lots of juicy info: https://twitter.com/cmogle/status/1033042636532342784

[Koflach]

Picking up my model 3 on monday! Pretty stoked to get it.

[Nlkko]

This dude should be in jail:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/staying-public

Fake take-private bid announced during trading hours before exchange halt.

Funding not-secured announced after trading hours on a Friday.

[yray]

This dude should be in jail:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/staying-public

Fake take-private bid announced during trading hours before exchange halt.

Funding not-secured announced after trading hours on a Friday.

why?? he legit could've thought saudis and masayoshi could've funded them and now the deal fell apart

now if he traded shares after his announcement, thats another can of worms

[Nlkko]

why?? he legit could've thought saudis and masayoshi could've funded them and now the deal fell apart

now if he traded shares after his announcement, thats another can of worms

Softbank and PIF fund have billions in stake in his competitor.

There's nothing legit about his announcement. Dude's just pumping stock so the convertible bonds automatically convert to equities. He doesn't have to pay coupons that way, probably because they have no cash.

This is the same behavior back when Valeant going bust. After trading hours news bomb at midnight.

[yray]

FUnding SECured lol

anyone notice the glass roofs of teslas have this red tinge in the rain. looks like shit on any colour excpet red

[Koflach]

Well, I picked up the Tesla today and this thing is awesome. It's going to take a minute to get use to the big display but it's fairly intuitive. Performance is fantastic, having the instant torque is perfect for city or highway driving.

My car was built this month and upon inspection I saw no panel gaps that would give me any reason to be concerned nor did I see any paint issues that made me ask to get them fixed.

Overall, it's a great car that all of you should go test drive and experience yourself rather than regurgitating bullshit that someone on the internet said about it.

[Hondaracer]

Looks good in red, nice choice.

I think if I was to buy in I’d 100% get fully into the Tesla/EV culture. However, I’m just not feeling the 3

And also I don’t have a garage.. lol

[Koflach]

The 18" hubcaps are hideous and were removed as soon as I got home. The wheels underneath are actually not that bad looking. Still, i'll eventually be putting new wheels on the list of things to do at some point.

[twitchyzero]

what car are you replacing?
congrats

[Manic!]

The 18" hubcaps are hideous and were removed as soon as I got home. The wheels underneath are actually not that bad looking. Still, i'll eventually be putting new wheels on the list of things to do at some point.

Any pics of the wheels without the hubcaps.

[asian_XL]

Tesla just called me...."your RHD model 3 is ready to be ordered, you can come and test drive it :)"
I asked:"is it dual motor?"
Tesla lady replied: "single motor"
**I hanged up**

[Koflach]

what car are you replacing?
congrats

2014 Hyundai Sonata. A bit of an upgrade.

[Koflach]

Any pics of the wheels without the hubcaps.

https://electrek.co/2017/08/15/tesla-model-3-aero-wheels-caps/

[twitchyzero]

damn that looks good
tbh the aeros are neat too...very demolition man-esque
now you'll just have to let us know if your pano roof turns into blaze orange in raincouver

[Koflach]

damn that looks good
tbh the aeros are neat too...very demolition man-esque
now you'll just have to let us know if your pano roof turns into blaze orange in raincouver

I gave my car a rinse yesterday and it did. It looks pretty cool.

[yray]

why does the pano roof turn orange?

I have magic sky control in my benz and it never turns orange in the rain.

[freakshow]

can't wait to pick one of these up in a few years at half the price.. 70k too ballin for me

[asian_XL]

This is the Long Range RWD model. Not really worth the USD49k for its build quality, but it is almost tax free in Hong Kong, for HKD385,000 after tax, you can only buy a BMW 320iA.

https://picoolio.net/images/2018/08/29/WhatsApp-Image-2018-08-29-at-5.21.15-PM5af499303bfc971e.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2eockmb.jpg

[Koflach]

This is the Long Range RWD model. Not really worth the USD49k for its build quality, but it is almost tax free in Hong Kong, for HKD385,000 after tax, you can only buy a BMW 320iA.

https://picoolio.net/images/2018/08/29/WhatsApp-Image-2018-08-29-at-5.21.15-PM5af499303bfc971e.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2eockmb.jpg

having driven it for the last 3 days I can attest that it is a very solid car with no creaks or squeaks in it. So far it's build quality is pretty damn good.

[Koflach]

why does the pano roof turn orange?

I have magic sky control in my benz and it never turns orange in the rain.

It's the coatings on the glass that prevents/blocks UV light and heat from entering the cabin.

[whitev70r]

Why do they even ship it with the aero wheel covers? It look hideous! Does it really reduce drag and improve fuel mileage or something.

[Koflach]

Why do they even ship it with the aero wheel covers? It look hideous! Does it really reduce drag and improve fuel mileage or something.

yes, it does

[asian_XL]

having driven it for the last 3 days I can attest that it is a very solid car with no creaks or squeaks in it. So far it's build quality is pretty damn good.

how do you like the stock speakers? to me it is only average quality. SwiftRage


The sales admitted the panel gap problem on the demo car, they said it is fixable in most case, but need them half a days to adjust.

[68style]

I am curious how does the dealer fix panel gap issues post-delivery........

[asian_XL]

I am curious how does the dealer fix panel gap issues post-delivery........

I am curious too, I guess Tesla HK has its own way to fix their own car. He pointed out that the hood and rear quarter panel were fixed before the demo. I personally do not see any gap issues yesterday, but the door and trunk hinges weren't that friendly.

[Koflach]

how do you like the stock speakers? to me it is only average quality. SwiftRage


The sales admitted the panel gap problem on the demo car, they said it is fixable in most case, but need them half a days to adjust.

lol, yeah, very average. The stock speakers are amazing. It also has good bass that isn't overwhelming but can definitely pound.

[68style]

My buddy got his VIN for his dual motor performance version a few days ago should be receiving his car pretty soon!

[asian_XL]

is performance version a motor upgrade or software unlock?

the sales recommended all software update / accessory upgrade to be done 6 months after buying the car, as it will not be taxed 100% in Hong Kong.

I want air suspension, when will Tesla put it on model 3?

[Koflach]

is performance version a motor upgrade or software unlock?

the sales recommended all software update / accessory upgrade to be done 6 months after buying the car, as it will not be taxed 100% in Hong Kong.

I want air suspension, when will Tesla put it on model 3?

my understanding is that the performance version gets the same motors as the AWD but they are the best performing motors that they've tested.

[G]

edit nvm.

[asian_XL]

my understanding is that the performance version gets the same motors as the AWD but they are the best performing motors that they've tested.

From what I understand, the RWD gets 270hp, Performance gets 450hp. I was guessing AWD version is somewhere in between? like 360hp?