[Nlkko]

https://twitter.com/Earlsimxx/status/1037087981415354369
2020 Tesla Roadster

0-60mph: 1.9s
0-100mph: 4.2s
Top Speed: 250mph
1/4 mile: 8.9s
Torque: 10,000 Nm
Price: $250,000
Range: 620 miles

7375 lbft of torque....

[twitchyzero]

aero looks very minimal for sucha fast car

[320icar]

^^ no different than the original Bugatti veyron. Very minimal

[Hondaracer]

thats a good looking car.. seems to borrow from that Porshche Project E or whatever it was called, but nonetheless, good looking vehicle

[prudz]

1000km of range and it can do 1.9 0-100... that's insane.

[UnknownJinX]

https://twitter.com/Earlsimxx/status/1037087981415354369
2020 Tesla Roadster

0-60mph: 1.9s
0-100mph: 4.2s
Top Speed: 250mph
1/4 mile: 8.9s
Torque: 10,000 Nm
Price: $250,000
Range: 620 miles

7375 lbft of torque....Tesla multiplied the final reduction for the torque, which no one else in the industry does.

Granted, EVs have a single gear, but multiplying the crank torque by the differential ratio is still cheating.

[Mr.Money]

that has to be 4wd right?

[twitchyzero]

was this built just for flat out acceleration like a modern Bugatti or do they actually hope to make it a track toy like a GT3 and won't go into limp mode after 1.5 laps?

[underscore]

If it's going to hit 250mph hopefully the bumpers stay on these ones.

[whitev70r]

What's the deposit on this one? Let's see ... $2500 for a projected $35K car. By that formula, please send Elon an interest free loan of $18K deposit if you want one of these Roadster. Truckloads of people scream ... 'Please Elon, take my money'. Damn, this swindler is good!

[Nlkko]

Tesla multiplied the final reduction for the torque, which no one else in the industry does.

Granted, EVs have a single gear, but multiplying the crank torque by the differential ratio is still cheating.

I didn't know this. What do you think the real torque number should be.

[twitchyzero]

can't say I will hate on Musk for gaming the sheeps

but geez louise, dem fightin' words!

I suggest that you call people you know in Thailand, find out what’s actually going on and stop defending child rapists, you fucking asshole … As for this alleged threat of a lawsuit, which magically appeared when I raised the issue (nothing was sent or raised beforehand), I fucking hope he sues me

how many mountains of coke is the man doing to keep TSLA afloat?

can't wait until he fully snaps and we get to watch a Goodfellas-like biopic on him 15 years from now
:alonehappy:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/04/elon-musk-claims-diver-in-thai-cave-rescue-is-child-rapist-without-evidence

[Nlkko]

Musk is likely out as CEO and chairman of the board by 2020 if not way earlier.

[yray]

If it's going to hit 250mph hopefully the bumpers stay on these ones.

no need to test the brakes

[!LittleDragon]

I have my doubts about that 1.9s 0-60 time. I'm interested to see what kind of tires they come with. A lot of big HP cars are in that 2.0-2.5s 0-60 not because of a lack in HP/TQ. It's the tires that are holding them back.

[whitev70r]

Musk has gone off deep end, sell your stocks before it's too late.

[yray]

https://i.imgur.com/MnaL9Lf.jpg

VAPE BOX OPTION

[hud 91gt]

That’s insane. Aero is is just to make up for a bad design in the first place :p

Kind of serious. If it’s not making lift at speed it doesn’t need the downforce... unless you want to corner like a supercar. Lol

[Koflach]

Good to see that the safety record of the other Tesla cars is holding true with the model 3

https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/20/watch-how-tesla-model-3-earned-nhtsas-top-safety-rating/

[AstulzerRZD]

Good to see that the safety record of the other Tesla cars is holding true with the model 3

https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/20/watch-how-tesla-model-3-earned-nhtsas-top-safety-rating/

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but wanted to clarify a couple things!

The NHTSA test is very easy to do well in - 5 stars (with occasional 4 for rollover) is super common.

What isn't easy to do well in is the IIHS tests - they have a small overlap test (25% coverage only) on driver and passenger sides that were very difficult to do well on.

Here, the model S only gets an "Acceptable" rating on the driver's side, while the passenger side hasn't been tested. Its headlights are also rated as poor: https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/tesla/model-s-4-door-hatchback/2017

The Model 3 also hasn't been crash tested but the headlights are only rated acceptable for the time being. https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan

[Jmac]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but wanted to clarify a couple things!

The NHTSA test is very easy to do well in - 5 stars (with occasional 4 for rollover) is super common.

What isn't easy to do well in is the IIHS tests - they have a small overlap test (25% coverage only) on driver and passenger sides that were very difficult to do well on.

Here, the model S only gets an "Acceptable" rating on the driver's side, while the passenger side hasn't been tested. Its headlights are also rated as poor: https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/tesla/model-s-4-door-hatchback/2017

The Model 3 also hasn't been crash tested but the headlights are only rated acceptable for the time being. https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan
Very few cars get a good rating on headlights from IIHS. The only car in the Model 3's class (Midsize Luxury Car) to get a good rating for headlights was the Alfa Romeo Giulia.

[AstulzerRZD]

Very few cars get a good rating on headlights from IIHS. The only car in the Model 3's class (Midsize Luxury Car) to get a good rating for headlights was the Alfa Romeo Giulia.

Wow, that's shocking compared to the compacts... remember a bunch of them had the Good rating - Impreza and Crosstrek were defs on the list as well as a wide variety of Hyundai/Kia products.

[Jmac]

Wow, that's shocking compared to the compacts... remember a bunch of them had the Good rating - Impreza and Crosstrek were defs on the list as well as a wide variety of Hyundai/Kia products.
I'm not sure exactly why that is, but looking at the test procedures, they test vehicles with speed-adaptive lighting (which many modern luxury cars will have) at 65 km/h and 80 km/h while they state vehicles without adaptive lighting (most compacts) can be tested at any speed. That's my best guess to explain why.

I'd be interested to see what the results would be at highway speeds.

[twitchyzero]

I believe the overlap test is very new
most cars designed more than a few years back would fail spectacularly

[snowball]

It's been done since 2012, any car updated after that shouldn't be too terrible at the small overlap. Since 2016 they've been doing both driver and passenger overlap.

[twitchyzero]

musk forced to step down

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/business/tesla-musk-sec-settlement.html

[Koflach]

yup, he's not the chairman anymore. not sure it really matters though as he's still the CEO and the car they are making is still a really good car.

[Mr.Money]

investors just wanted their small cut of 20 million,thats most likely fuck all for someone who has billions right.

[twitchyzero]

you're right, at least it's not about the products' safety issue or anything
but could still just be first of major lawsuits if he doesn't rein in his public antics

[Koflach]

well, investors must be liking this news as TSLA has gone up about $44/share this morning.

[Nlkko]

Got off scott-free. Weak shit from SEC. Guy has revealed himself to be an elitist egotistical piece of shit. The money, power and media really fucked with his head.

The only real way to hurt this asshole is that stock is brought below 230s which will start triggering the 800M collateral in stock to be sold by lender. The process will bankrupt buddy.

[68style]

I read a report saying that Musk as CEO is adding approximately $160 to the value of each share... there was no way the SEC was going to remove him from that position and risk all those investors (probably many of them personally invested!!!!) losing half their money.

It's crazy the valuations on Tesla's stock, I'm not against the company by any means, but Ford for example has 9x the earning potential of Tesla and their stock is worth nothing by comparison.

[!Aznboi128]

https://jalopnik.com/cop-pulls-tesla-model-3-driver-over-for-computer-mounte-1829437075

LOL

"Cop Pulls Tesla Model 3 Driver Over For 'Computer' Mounted On Dashboard"

[68style]

Imagine if he’s black and not some hipster white guy lol :troll:

[twitchyzero]

20M seems like nothing

usually don't like this tuber but i didn't mind how he explains the tesla/musk hate train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPLHVBPaF4

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/Lj1a8rdX6DU

[R1CED`]

saw one today with the pano roof going orange from the rain
how much are people paying for this piece of shit again? haha

[320icar]

saw one today with the pano roof going orange from the rain
how much are people paying for this piece of shit again? haha

I’m sorry, what’s the issue? It’s just light refacting through the water on special UV coatings on the glass.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX-kmmZWkAAud9F.jpg

[Koflach]

saw one today with the pano roof going orange from the rain
how much are people paying for this piece of shit again? haha

It just comes that way. What makes it a piece of shit in your opinion?

[twitchyzero]

tried the 3 Performance

it's the dual-motor AWD, with CF spoiler and track mode (didn't try on surface street), $86k before incentives ships in a month


wow, I can see why people say flooring it is addictive (0-60 3.5s)


only other BEV ive tried is the I-Pace (0-60 4.5s) and fastest ICE I've driven is last-gen Cayman GTS (0-60 4.1s)


that said, I think it's still a shit ton of money for what it is. BUT I kinda get why people would pay an early adopter premium for one


I believe when the base model comes out at 45k, it could be a worthwhile consideration for those looking for a modern commuter if after taxes and incentive it's under 50k

[asian_XL]

3 Red Tesla crashed together today in Hong Kong, insurance premium for Tesla will be spiked

http://i67.tinypic.com/2cp3iax.jpg

[twitchyzero]

^what are the chances? must be a marketing stunt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSLTNjGI8hw

dude it was delivered in 2 days off the truck right to the front doorstep! fair to expect some paint scratches and orange peel is far too common for most new cars these days...but that 'bird poop' under clear coat would drive me mad haha

[freakshow]

The $35k Model 3 is finally here

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-price-lower-cost-elon-musk-news

[Koflach]

The $35k Model 3 is finally here

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-price-lower-cost-elon-musk-news

get ready for a flood of base models to hit the market soon.

[twitchyzero]

$6700 gas savings? does elon think everyone drives V12 from the 80s or something?

$40k after rebates is a decent price, but i can't even fathom how much fucking corner cutting it'll take to get there (most of the retail force/floor space will be cut but that sounds like just the tip of the iceberg)...each base model built will lose them 3k USD

[Nlkko]

"News" come out to pump stock every time it get to the 250-300 range. LUL

Guy should be in jail.

[Koflach]

$6700 gas savings? does elon think everyone drives V12 from the 80s or something?

$40k after rebates is a decent price, but i can't even fathom how much fucking corner cutting it'll take to get there (most of the retail force/floor space will be cut but that sounds like just the tip of the iceberg)...each base model built will lose them 3k USD

I went from a 2014 Hyundai Sonata to a Long Range, RWD Model 3 and I have roughly $3500/year in fuel savings so yeah, his numbers are somewhat realistic but they aren't for everyone. The more driving you do, the easier it is to justify the cost of a Tesla

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YlRzx-3zw8

[twitchyzero]

anyone owners here have to deal with the service centre? is it outsourced? how long is turnaround for minor or major things?

https://youtu.be/wEsOr87BJFU

[68style]

I went from a 2014 Hyundai Sonata to a Long Range, RWD Model 3 and I have roughly $3500/year in fuel savings so yeah, his numbers are somewhat realistic but they aren't for everyone. The more driving you do, the easier it is to justify the cost of a Tesla

Yah, how much more did that Tesla cost you new than your 2014 Hyundai though?

There's zero justification for fuel savings cost to go electric right now. It''s purely a "I want to do it and can afford it" luxury.

[Koflach]

Yah, how much more did that Tesla cost you new than your 2014 Hyundai though?

There's zero justification for fuel savings cost to go electric right now. It''s purely a "I want to do it and can afford it" luxury.

Actually, with the amount I was driving the monthly operating cost of my Sonata was about a wash with the Tesla so yeah, it can make sense fiscally if you do enough driving. It's not all about "I want to do it and can afford it" luxury

[Koflach]

anyone owners here have to deal with the service centre? is it outsourced? how long is turnaround for minor or major things?

https://youtu.be/wEsOr87BJFU

i've had nowhere near the number of issues that this guy has had. I had a squeaky door handle that needed lubricating as well as a couple other minor things. My paint and body gaps had no issues to my eye. And yes, Tesla does outsource their Glass and Paint/Body work.

[68style]

Actually, with the amount I was driving the monthly operating cost of my Sonata was about a wash with the Tesla so yeah, it can make sense fiscally if you do enough driving. It's not all about "I want to do it and can afford it" luxury

Factoring in the purchase price too? I don’t think so...

I like Tesla but to say people save can money with it is kind of misnomer...

One day though!! Costs will come down

[Koflach]

Factoring in the purchase price too? I don’t think so...

I like Tesla but to say people save can money with it is kind of misnomer...

One day though!! Costs will come down

well, i don't know what to tell you other than I have a rather extensive spreadsheet that I put together that covers my monthly financing of both cars, gas prices vs electricty and insurance. I don't cover other operating cost like maintenance and tires but after what I put together and what I am seeing coming out of my bank account, it's about a wash FOR ME. It might be different for you though.

[Koflach]

Looks like my car will be getting a 5% insrease in power from a software update.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-increase-power-top-speed-firmware-update/?fbclid=IwAR1TQSNInxaeBLEFUWw9i3ILCsOa2g62koIuOpyR 2x3WVepGiWoBLETDWxk

[twitchyzero]

EngExp just did the math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bIBs8GuUYY

Portland has very similar electricity prices as Vancouver...assuming the ICE is drinking cheaper US premium gas @ 30mpg, the Model 3 Perf is about 2.5x cheaper in energy costs

but yeah, HIGHLY doubt entry price costing ~2x makes it worthwhile (savings is roughly $7k over 10 years, and we know the average car owner doesn't even keep a vehicle that long)

unless we somehow hit like $4/L and electricity pricing remains constant

[Koflach]

My electricity cost has gone up by about $50/month and my gas cost has gone down by about $400/month. This nets me a gas savings of $4200/year

[asian_XL]

if your neighbour is always travelling around, time to buy a longer cord lol:)

[Hehe]

I've been driving my bud's Tesla X for the last few days as he borrowed my beater Civic to drive it to Toronto.

I'm convinced. As soon as wife's work car lease is up, we are going for a Tesla X (and hopefully a new version will be out by then as it rumors to move to the same platform 3 as the model 3 is now).

[twitchyzero]

why didn't he just drive the X?

range anxiety? :troll:

[Hehe]

why didn't he just drive the X?

range anxiety? :troll:

More like save time/money. :badpokerface:

He was going to get to Toronto ASAP with full set of work-related gears. Flying wasn't an option as the gears would have easily cost them thousands to ship along or simply impossible due to size/weight.

So he and his business partner just drove my beater and towed a little uHaul trailer and made there by making only food/bathroom stop along the way.

With his X, he would have had to make many stops for super charger.

[68style]

You’re gonna spend $120-160k + tax on a SUV?

[Hehe]

You’re gonna spend $120-160k + tax on a SUV?

Only have to come up with enough dough to keep the payment at 889+tax/mth. :badpokerface:

That's the amount wife's work pay for car subsidy/allowance. Lease, finance... whatever...

And really, with the last few days on the X, I find the range anxiety to be a non-issue.

I usually just plug it in when I get to any EV parking (usually free) and also at night before heading to bed (if I remember it). I've yet to see the mileage left to drop below 150km (which is more than enough for my single day commute).

More importantly, after seeing the gas jumping 10cts overnight, I can kiss good bye to "gas price anxiety" if I go fully electric.

[Koflach]

I've been driving my bud's Tesla X for the last few days as he borrowed my beater Civic to drive it to Toronto.

I'm convinced. As soon as wife's work car lease is up, we are going for a Tesla X (and hopefully a new version will be out by then as it rumors to move to the same platform 3 as the model 3 is now).

Elon has stated that the Model Y (Yes, they will have a model S, 3, X and Y) "being an SUV, is about 10% bigger than Model 3, so will cost about 10% more & have slightly less range for same battery"

[westopher]

You’re gonna spend $120-160k + tax on a SUV?
Have you been to Vancouver? Everyone is gonna spend 6 figures on an SUV

[Nlkko]

SUVs are expensive.

[twitchyzero]

i don't care how much people are spending on vehicles, it's not my money

but luxury vehicles should really have insurance deductibles/premiums that scale with vehicle value

[Hondaracer]

The model X is just an ugly mini van imo, no reservations on anything but the looks for me

S is the only model that tickles my fancy. Not down to pay 50k for a model 3 that looks worse than a base model Mazda 3.

[TopsyCrett]

edi: wrong thread please delete

[asian_XL]

The model X is just an ugly mini van imo, no reservations on anything but the looks for me

S is the only model that tickles my fancy. Not down to pay 50k for a model 3 that looks worse than a base model Mazda 3.

it doesn't look good without decent set of wheels and lowering

https://cleantechnica.com/files/2018/07/speed-academy-takes-the-mountain.jpg

https://www.techjunkie.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/25D19B32-2B54-4FB2-B034-4E0BFBD492D5.jpeg

[hud 91gt]

That bottom one looks so sexy. Can you easily switch wheels or are they loaded in sensors?

[originalhypa]

Elon has stated that the Model Y (Yes, they will have a model S, 3, X and Y) "being an SUV, is about 10% bigger than Model 3, so will cost about 10% more & have slightly less range for same battery"

So, he is naming them along the lines of 20th century generations?
Gen X, Gen Y......

So the next natural progression is the Tesla Millenial?
Available in Avocado green.
:D

That bottom one looks so sexy. Can you easily switch wheels or are they loaded in sensors?

The wheels are just wheels, albeit with TPMS.
Find the bolt pattern and offset, and you're laughing.

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGOKf8bkCIA

She really likes blue :rofl:

[bomberR17]

So, he is naming them along the lines of 20th century generations?
Gen X, Gen Y......

So the next natural progression is the Tesla Millenial?
Available in Avocado green.
:D



The wheels are just wheels, albeit with TPMS.
Find the bolt pattern and offset, and you're laughing.

He's actually spelling a word with it. S3XY

[originalhypa]

He's actually spelling a word with it. S3XY

Seriously? PogChamp
Elon Musk is such a dork.

[yray]

next model gonna be H and O and E

[Manic!]

Seriously? PogChamp
Elon Musk is such a dork.

And he had to use the number 3 because Ford would not let him use the letter E.

[Manic!]

The new model Y SUV is releasing tonight. Press conference is at 8 P.M. To bad I'm going to miss it. Have to be at a city council meeting to help get the new Porsche/Subaru dealership get built.

[asian_XL]

Elon speaks too much tonight ResidentSleeper

The Y is just a Model 3 with taller roof and 7 seats

EDIT: I actually like the look of it.

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/754/210/2/S7542102/slug/l/model-y-1.jpg

EDIT: the diffuser looks like there is an exhaust tip lol
https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/754/210/3/S7542103/slug/l/model-y-1.jpg

[eclipseman]

Why do all Teslas look like ass?

[Manic!]

Placed a order for the Model Y long range dual motor with full autonomous for mom.

[ssjGoku69]

Why do all Teslas look like ass?

I think the Model S was the only one with the nicer front end maybe due to the front end?

The Tesla front looks like there is no "mouth" on the car so it looks weird like: https://photoshopstar.com/media/2010/03/without_face_07big.jpg


https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Faarongold1%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F04 %2FTesla_Grille_Flat6.jpg

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Faarongold1%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F04 %2FTesla_Grille_PAndo1.jpg

[cafe22]

has anyone taken a look at the tesla 3 base or partial premium? Tempted to sell the suv to switch to one of these since the price is right.

also, with teslas i guess there's no need to haggle on price?

[Manic!]

has anyone taken a look at the tesla 3 base or partial premium? Tempted to sell the suv to switch to one of these since the price is right.

also, with teslas i guess there's no need to haggle on price?

Took me less than 5 minutes to order one from the site.

[Hondaracer]

Why do all Teslas look like ass?

For me the model s is the only one with any sort of legitamite “styling” I really like the look of the S and would heavily consider it if I could afford it lol

The rest of the lineup looks like some college kids attempt at amateur “aero” design. The mouthless bumpers look like ass imo.

We have a friend who’s parents both bought model 3’s and one night after a few drinks the guy went off on the incredible styling and how it is such a beautiful car etc.

Really? The thing is the definition of bland.

[Hakkaboy]

I'm not a fan of the Model 3, but I do think that the Y looks slightly better than the X4/X6/GLC Coupes of the world...

[Manic!]

Elon claims robo taxis will be here next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiWbdZ8ItRs

[twitchyzero]

Elon claims a lot of things

turo/uber etc. for your $46k+ vehicle is like buying a 1.5M house and needing all 4 mtg helper units rented out

[Manic!]

Elon claims a lot of things

turo/uber etc. for your $46k+ vehicle is like buying a 1.5M house and needing all 4 mtg helper units rented out

Look at all the cars rented on Turo. I see 4 just in Vancouver. End of the day it's all about the money.

[68style]

My experience as a customer using Turo was miserable as fuck and there’s so many extra charges and BS it ends up not being a good deal in most cases... not that renting a car from most regular rental places is all that pleasant most times either... I have been having extremely pleasant experiences recently with Alamo though, renting compacts and getting whatever they have even a Infiniti Q50 in Los Angeles a week ago.

Pro tip — if you’re ever in Waikiki and rent from Alamo, just reserve the lowest / cheapest class and show up at opening time, they’re so packed for space there they just give you whatever is easiest to get out of the parking lot so you always get a massive upgrade. Got a 5.0 Mustang last time for my “Nissan Sentra or equivalent” rental. They even had a couple of ND Miata’s there last May.

[IMASA]

Pro tip — if you’re ever in Waikiki and rent from Alamo, just reserve the lowest / cheapest class and show up at opening time, they’re so packed for space there they just give you whatever is easiest to get out of the parking lot so you always get a massive upgrade. Got a 5.0 Mustang last time for my “Nissan Sentra or equivalent” rental. They even had a couple of ND Miata’s there last May.

Something to keep in mind if you plan on using your credit card insurance or 3rd party optional auto insurance to cover the rental car coverage and you get a free upgrade. If you read the fine print, it may say they cover you for a vehicle up to a set amount dollar amount. If you rent a vehicle over that amount, then you're not covered. I checked my Visa and it's $65k. I believe my BCAA option auto insurance is $60k.

There is a thread on RFD where a guy rents a cheaper SUV, the rental agency didn't have one so they gave them a more expensive SUV. This was during the winter and the SUV didn't have winter tires, so the guy crashed it. His credit card declined coverage because the value of the premium SUV was over the $60k limit.

https://forums.redflagdeals.com/need-help-2-13-update-damage-rental-car-insurance-may-deny-what-can-i-do-2255768/

[twitchyzero]

RIP F80 M3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40

[68style]

^ Thats a horrible video, terrible driving, 0-100-0 done in time instead of shortest distance? Since when? Range of the BMW listed in mpg which isn’t even a range statistic... complaining that you can’t hear the individual tires squealing because the exhaust is too loud... I mean come on...

[320icar]

^^ call it long overdue reparations for the first time top gear screwed over tesla in a review

[twitchyzero]

i thought naught-100-naught was always done as a timed metric, but 100-0 done as a distance...either way it did well considering it's 4100lbs

but yeah, top gear has really fallen off

[Hehe]

Call me a traitor, but after driven a Tesla X, S, and the current gen Acura NSX. I'm a firm believer in EV... not necessary Tesla, but EV in general.

Yes, the NSX isn't exactly an EV, but it showed me what's needed to push ICE cars beyond the limit. And that's a fucking electric powertrain.

Tesla Roaster is going to do 0-100 in under 2sec even with all the battery weight and stuff. A feat that no current production ICE is capable of. (fastest came at around 2.3, which Model S P100D already beat) Furthermore, any hypercar manufacturer worth their salt are all going electric in at least some form of hybrid. Because if you can't beat them, join them. :fuckthatshit:

[Akinari]

Furthermore, any hypercar manufacturer worth their salt are all going electric in at least some form of hybrid. Because if you can't beat them, join them. :fuckthatshit:
Because if they didn't, not a single hypercar would pass EU emissions standards, not necessarily because they're all going hybrid for performance purposes.

[Hehe]

Any member here wants to PM me their referral (not sure if this is against the rules, if so, plz delete this mods... thx)?

In-law is about to order their Model 3 some time before the summer and I thought I could hook up some RS fellas.

Only thing I ask in return: if you do end up winning the Tesla Roaster with the referral, let me borrow it for a week. :fuckthatshit:

[Verdasco]

RIP F80 M3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40

anyone else find the driver being a horrible driver or just me ?

[UnknownJinX]

Tesla Roaster is going to do 0-100 in under 2sec even with all the battery weight and stuff. A feat that no current production ICE is capable of. (fastest came at around 2.3, which Model S P100D already beat)

Given Elon's history of inflating figures, I am not holding my breath.

Sure, give it torque, but at the end of day, if your tires can't grip, it's all useless. Traction limit will come in at some point, which is about 2 seconds from 0 to 60.

[Koflach]

Given Elon's history of inflating figures, I am not holding my breath.

Sure, give it torque, but at the end of day, if your tires can't grip, it's all useless. Traction limit will come in at some point, which is about 2 seconds from 0 to 60.

In this video, the driver states that the 1.9 second 0-60 is conservative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6nN-GlghAc

[Badhobz]

So now that ev cars have forever taken the 0-60 crown away from our beloved dino engines, the only thing we have left is prestige (debatable), sound and thankfully good looks(for now). Oh and convenience.

Seriously if one were to buy the latest and greatest hypercar nowadays and then have a Tesla smoke it, why even bother. Half the reason why anyone would purchase these things are for the bragging rights or potential abilities of said car. Not so fun when a 100k Tesla kills your half a million dollar car all the while seating 5 people.

[twitchyzero]

on paper, ICE have already lost, except for range

it's the intangibles: EVs are unlikely to ever have that tossable lightweight feel, and 3rd pedal even if that's all but practically phased out going into the next decade

i do appreciate their low center of gravity though

[Spoon]

https://youtu.be/xz5mV0Y1804?t=75

[Hehe]

There is little ICE cars can do against Tesla in drag races. Tesla is single gear, linear progression and off the chart torque all thank to its motors.

Tesla's electric motors are an impressive feat of engineering. It's light, cheap (relatively) to make and yet outperforms anything else on the market. As Sandy Munro of Munro & Associates puts it: "it's magical".

I own nothing of Tesla yet... but my exp of few days with buddy's Tesla X left me very impressed and I don't think I'd ever look back at ICE (maybe for a "nostalgic" reason) ever again.

It's like first time using an iPhone... where you suddenly realize this is SO MUCH better than even the most outrageous feature phone you have ever owned and you'd never look back.

[Badhobz]

my buddy got a decked out one (P something something D) and it just makes my maserati seem like its from the stone age. If you have a single detached house, these EV's make a lot of sense. Id get one if it wasnt feel like im buying a beta test product. Maybe another 10 years or so and ill grab one made by Toyota or Honda, or anybody else that isnt really making cars at a loss.

[HonestTea]

Not gonna lie. I'm tempted, very tempted to pick up a SR+ M3..

[!LittleDragon]

Top Fuel Dragsters are ICE aren't they? 0-60 in 0.8 seconds and 1/4 mile in under 4 seconds... j/k

For me, it's not the range. It's the charge time. I do a long road trip annually and I'll be damned if I have to wait an hour to charge the car every 4-5 hours. Until they can be charged in 5 mins, the most "electric" car I'll buy is maybe a performance hybrid like the Volvo S90 or Lincoln Aviator.

There's also the lack of noise. When I rented a Model S in Vegas, it was creepily quiet in the interior. I was hearing every creek and rattle the car was making. Kinda made the car feel cheap. Loads of fun to drive though.

[Hehe]

Top Fuel Dragsters are ICE aren't they? 0-60 in 0.8 seconds and 1/4 mile in under 4 seconds... j/k

For me, it's not the range. It's the charge time. I do a long road trip annually and I'll be damned if I have to wait an hour to charge the car every 4-5 hours. Until they can be charged in 5 mins, the most "electric" car I'll buy is maybe a performance hybrid like the Volvo S90 or Lincoln Aviator.

There's also the lack of noise. When I rented a Model S in Vegas, it was creepily quiet in the interior. I was hearing every creek and rattle the car was making. Kinda made the car feel cheap. Loads of fun to drive though.

If Tesla can make a "consumer" grade car that does 0-60 in 1.9 on the upcoming Roadster... imagine what one can do if they forgo all "compromises" that they need to take to make it civil.

I think we'd eventually get there with some crazy high output chargers and help of supercapacitors/crazy battery tech.

In the mean time though, I'm not sure how often you go on these long roadtrips. But my idea of going all EV is to rent an ICE when I need to go on crazy long roadtrips AND when time is actually a concern (hence not allowing long stops).

Otherwise, from the homeworks I'm doing before going EV, I think an EV is going to do fine 99.99% of all my trips, roadtrips included.

I mean, even with ICE vehicles, I can't really keep my kids quiet for longer than 4hrs (heck, even the 2.5hr to Seattle is often a stretch). So we'd usually stop by rest area, a coffee or something so kids can "recharge" before going again on a long drive. Sure this "recharge" time will be longer than before (say 15min vs. 40min with supercharger?) but unless time is a constraint, I hardly see it as a problem. This is under the assumption of my usual long trip (to Kamloop/Kelowna in CA or down to Portland in US).

[twitchyzero]

sure if you road trip every few weekends, but once or twice a year at most?

read truck thread, if you think your vehicle MIGHT haul something once a year, rent for $20/day

for daily duty with home charging accessibility, i think EV makes a lot of sense even in this early adopter phase


It's like first time using an iPhone... where you suddenly realize this is SO MUCH better than even the most outrageous feature phone you have ever owned and you'd never look back.

yet i want a wearable that can't browse social media and has a week battery life so i can give up on smartphones for good

i can't imagine getting rid of ICE for weekend fun completely unless gasoline becomes very difficult to source/prohibitive in cost, or gets outright banned and can't be grandfathered on the road

[Manic!]

For me, it's not the range. It's the charge time. I do a long road trip annually and I'll be damned if I have to wait an hour to charge the car every 4-5 hours. Until they can be charged in 5 mins, the most "electric" car I'll buy is maybe a performance hybrid like the Volvo S90 or Lincoln Aviator.



You wake up at a hotel get something to eat. Drive for 4 or 5 hours grab lunch while your car charges then drive for another 4 or 5 hours. That lunch you had was free because you didn't have to pay for gas.

[68style]

^
My friend recently did Calgary <-> Palm Springs in his Model3... if only it was that simple... he had to plan to stay only at places with charging areas cuz anywhere off the west coast Tesla's supercharger stations are non-existent... and even at outlet malls or other places, the more cars that are plugged in, the slower each car charges... and many times the charging bays are all occupied... what was a 5 hour drive turned into an 8 hour one due to charging complications. He also has the fanciest Model3 that was like $100k after tax so his range is a lot more than most of the cheaper ones.

It's almost there... ALMOST... but not quite............ also I can't speak for littledragon, but when I do YVR-SFO or LAX drives........ I don't want to stop for an hour+ for lunch... I want to keep plowing through. I bring my own food or if I do stop it's for take-out not dine-in.

[Traum]

Apparently, back-to-back usage of level 3 charging is bad for battery longevitity. If you have used level 3 charging, the recommendation is to at least alternate the next charge with level 2 charging before going back to level 3 charging again. And then level 2 charging is also not as good for the battery compared to level 1 charging. But level 1 charging is probably completely inpractical unless you are doing it overnight at home.

[Manic!]

^
My friend recently did Calgary <-> Palm Springs in his Model3... if only it was that simple... he had to plan to stay only at places with charging areas cuz anywhere off the west coast Tesla's supercharger stations are non-existent... and even at outlet malls or other places, the more cars that are plugged in, the slower each car charges... and many times the charging bays are all occupied... what was a 5 hour drive turned into an 8 hour one due to charging complications. He also has the fanciest Model3 that was like $100k after tax so his range is a lot more than most of the cheaper ones.

It's almost there... ALMOST... but not quite............ also I can't speak for littledragon, but when I do YVR-SFO or LAX drives........ I don't want to stop for an hour+ for lunch... I want to keep plowing through. I bring my own food or if I do stop it's for take-out not dine-in.

But how much money did he save in fuel. I would rather sit on my ass for 3 hours then have to work to pay for gas.

[underscore]

So now that ev cars have forever taken the 0-60 crown away from our beloved dino engines, the only thing we have left is prestige (debatable), sound and thankfully good looks(for now). Oh and convenience.

Seriously if one were to buy the latest and greatest hypercar nowadays and then have a Tesla smoke it, why even bother. Half the reason why anyone would purchase these things are for the bragging rights or potential abilities of said car. Not so fun when a 100k Tesla kills your half a million dollar car all the while seating 5 people.

What about handling? Being fast in a straight line looks great on paper but to me a fun car needs to be fun for more than 2 seconds at a time. Granted I haven't driven one in real life but I remember in Gran Turismo the Tesla was a huge turd going around a track.

it's the intangibles: EVs are unlikely to ever have that tossable lightweight feel, and 3rd pedal even if that's all but practically phased out going into the next decade

It seems like now really is a time to urgently do as much enjoyable driving as possible. Being stuck driving autos or EVs with no gears seems to be coming faster than I'd like. Watching some of my friends who are daily driving commuter vehicles while slowly building a fun car make me wonder if they'll even get to drive it when it's finally done.

[!Aznboi128]

Apparently, back-to-back usage of level 3 charging is bad for battery longevitity. If you have used level 3 charging, the recommendation is to at least alternate the next charge with level 2 charging before going back to level 3 charging again. And then level 2 charging is also not as good for the battery compared to level 1 charging. But level 1 charging is probably completely inpractical unless you are doing it overnight at home.
Level 1 charge for a Tesla takes about 4 days.

https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/

[!LittleDragon]

You wake up at a hotel get something to eat. Drive for 4 or 5 hours grab lunch while your car charges then drive for another 4 or 5 hours. That lunch you had was free because you didn't have to pay for gas.

My road trips are typically 20+ hours straight shot. Usually Las Vegas or Los Angeles. Drive 5 hours, fill up, change drivers and keep going. Hopefully in 10 years time I could charge in 5 mins and the car can drive itself so I can actually enjoy the scenery instead of concentrating on the road. I don't stop for food. It's either gas station food or Chef Boyardee cans with the pull tab. Leave it on the engine block to heat up before opening... lol

I don't do these trips often now but I used to do these a lot when I'm younger and I plan to get back to it when I retire. Nothing else to do when I'm retired so I'm just going to drive around North America.

[Hondaracer]

Nothing says retirement like engine block chef boyardee

[!LittleDragon]

Nothing says retirement like engine block chef boyardee

Yah, it's not about the food for me. Less time eating = more time on the road

[Jmac]

on paper, ICE have already lost, except for range

it's the intangibles: EVs are unlikely to ever have that tossable lightweight feel, and 3rd pedal even if that's all but practically phased out going into the next decade

i do appreciate their low center of gravity though
As much as I love having a clutch, it's pointless on an EV. The entire point of gears is to maintain the engine speed for optimal performance (be it power, fuel economy, and/or reliability).

Electric motors don't have the same characteristics that would benefit from multiple gears.

[!LittleDragon]

Wouldn't gears make an electric motor spin slower reducing wear and tear? Can also use gears to give an electric cars a higher top speed. Maybe use the gearing so you can use a weaker less power hungry motor and increase range?

Rimac uses a 2 speed transmission.

[Jmac]

Wouldn't gears make an electric motor spin slower reducing wear and tear?
Adding mechanical complexity, cost, and weight isn't going to increase reliability. Electric motors running at top speed typically isn't an issue. We have some 50 HP fans at my work that have been running 24/7/365 (except a few hours a year for maintenance) for 25 years without any problems.

Electric motors are also typically most efficient near their top speed.

Can also use gears to give an electric cars a higher top speed.
You can also just give it a longer single gear. Top speed isn't really an issue unless you're taking it on a race track, in which case a dinosaur burner is a much better choice, anyways.

Maybe use the gearing so you can use a weaker less power hungry motor and increase range?
Additional gearing adds drivetrain power loss (friction, slippage, etc.) which likely negates most/all of the efficiency savings.

This discusses VFD-controlled electric motors powering fans/pumps, but it's essentially the same principle. Efficiency doesn't drop drastically until the load drops to almost nothing. Part-load efficiency also improves with more powerful electric motors.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/motor_tip_sheet11.pdf

Rimac uses a 2 speed transmission.
They're also:
- Concept cars
- 1200+/1900+ hp cars
- Only 2-speed on the rear axle

[twitchyzero]

But how much money did he save in fuel. I would rather sit on my ass for 3 hours then have to work to pay for gas.

sounded like 3 hours of driving around in anxiety finding a charger

and 8 hour drive vs 5 daily is a big deal whether you're only away for a long weekend/2 week trip

what's a tank of gas daily when you're on a vacation? i dont mind spending a bit more on essentials when you're supposed to be relaxed

again, i'm for EVs on many aspects, but road trip is not one of them, not until there are chargers everywhere and portable cells you can carry as extras

[68style]

Well, there's always the argument that he didn't save any money... he spent $100k on a small sedan... that's an awful lot of tanks of gas... but that's a personal choice I suppose.

Like I said, it's close... but right now I feel it's at that point where it's more a lifestyle decision than a sensible economics one.

[Badhobz]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

[!Aznboi128]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.
But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features, creature comfort, feel and finish.

[68style]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

Exactly... I have a friend who just took delivery of a Model3... the husband drives 5km to/from work every day and the rationale is to save money through government rebates, gas and he can charge for free at work in the daytime.

They're selling their current vehicle, a super low mileage Toyota Matrix to make room for it.

I asked her to explain how spending $50k+ on a new Tesla saves money on driving an already paid for Matrix that will never have problems... especially given he drives 10km a day tops. Silence... and then some mumbling about gas prices.

It's a lifestyle choice. Pure and simple. I want something new... I want something shiny... I want to play with tech. And that's totally fine, their choice, I just wish people would be honest about it.

But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features

Why not? What does a base Model3 have that a base Corolla doesn't nowadays besides some of the phone control tech Tesla puts in their cars? We're not in an era where base cars have manual windows and locks anymore. Air conditioning? Okay, go up to the Corolla LE at $21,700 then...

[!Aznboi128]

While the 3 doesn't have the best fit and finish, the materials used is still better than that of the corolla but I do hear where you're coming from. Just saying maybe something bit more upscale like the Mazda 3 maybe more comparable

[Badhobz]

But we can't really compare a corolla to a model 3 in terms of features

Yah bro, the Tesla would loose out due to Toyota safety sense 2.0 being standard on even the base models :fuckyea:

[Manic!]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

You drive a Corolla?

[68style]

^
Dude badhobz LOVES Corollas... it's his 2nd favourite car after the SC430

[underscore]

Adding mechanical complexity, cost, and weight isn't going to increase reliability. Electric motors running at top speed typically isn't an issue. We have some 50 HP fans at my work that have been running 24/7/365 (except a few hours a year for maintenance) for 25 years without any problems.

Isn't the heat from inrush current usually what's harder on motors than runtime? I know the ones I deal with from time to time have each startup equal to X number of running hours (maintenance wise) and if you start it up too many times in an hour it locks out until it's been given enough time to cool. I assume they must do something to keep the magnetic field from collapsing otherwise city driving would nuke these things pretty fast.

Electric motors are also typically most efficient near their top speed.

Which they aren't at most of the time. I would think if you could gear it down it could run closer to top speed all the time and gain efficiency, but maybe not enough to offset the added weight and driveline losses.

I asked her to explain how spending $50k+ on a new Tesla saves money on driving an already paid for Matrix that will never have problems... especially given he drives 10km a day tops. Silence... and then some mumbling about gas prices.

10km/day, say 10L/100km, even at $2/L that'll take 96 years to pay off with fuel savings :heckno:

[Badhobz]

^
Dude badhobz LOVES Corollas... it's his 2nd favourite car after the SC430

Will you marry me ?! :heckno:

[!LittleDragon]

Adding mechanical complexity, cost, and weight isn't going to increase reliability. Electric motors running at top speed typically isn't an issue. We have some 50 HP fans at my work that have been running 24/7/365 (except a few hours a year for maintenance) for 25 years without any problems.


I'm not talking about wear and tear from the spinning. I'm talking about wear and tear from spinning at high RPM while taking jolts from the road. I don't think these fans you're talking about would last 25 years if they were constantly shaken hard while in operation.

[Manic!]

I'm not talking about wear and tear from the spinning. I'm talking about wear and tear from spinning at high RPM while taking jolts from the road. I don't think these fans you're talking about would last 25 years if they were constantly shaken hard while in operation.

BC ferries uses electric motors to drive the ferries. Also cars use electric fans and those seem to last.

[!LittleDragon]

BC ferries uses electric motors to drive the ferries. Also cars use electric fans and those seem to last.

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

[Hehe]

sounded like 3 hours of driving around in anxiety finding a charger

and 8 hour drive vs 5 daily is a big deal whether you're only away for a long weekend/2 week trip

what's a tank of gas daily when you're on a vacation? i dont mind spending a bit more on essentials when you're supposed to be relaxed

again, i'm for EVs on many aspects, but road trip is not one of them, not until there are chargers everywhere and portable cells you can carry as extras

You have never done one in a Tesla I assume?

The Tesla nav is so good that it can plan everything for you... including the supercharger point you should stop. No range anxiety... I mean, in the city maybe... but not in a roadtrip.

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

My Dyson spins at 120,000RPM and it had been going strong for the last 3yrs I've owned it... used daily too.

Things get wonky in ICE because of the combustion... everytime it ignites, you are degrading the engine. Electrical motors work on a very different principle. They are not perfect, but they cannot be compared apple to apple.

[Koflach]

That's exactly it! All this so called fuel savings is bullshit when you consider the model 3 is 50k vs a base model corolla is like 20k. You'll never make back the gas money.

but the model 3 isn't competing with a base model corrola, a better comparison would be the accord.

[Manic!]

Do they go 18k RPM? Things go out of balanced in the car all the time like drive shafts. They start to wobble and vibrate. The faster they spin, the more it vibrates eventually destroying itself. Think of your washing machine on the spin cycle when the balance is off. If the motor becomes unbalanced after hitting a pothole, you may not notice it at first but it'll eventually wreck itself. It'll get there faster at higher RPMs. If the motor runs at a lower RPM through the use of a transmission, it may last a lot longer.

Good thing the Tesla does not have a traditional drive shaft.

https://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/9493_10999.JPG

[!LittleDragon]

Good thing the Tesla does not have a traditional drive shaft.

https://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/9493_10999.JPG

Neither does a washing machine.... Things that spin that fast need to be perfectly balanced. You may not notice an out of balanced tire when it's rotating slowly like while driving in the city and it'll probably last forever but you sure notice it on the highway. Spin that tire to 18k rpm and your wheel bearing is gone.

[!LittleDragon]

My Dyson spins at 120,000RPM and it had been going strong for the last 3yrs I've owned it... used daily too.


Again, it's not experiencing any violent lateral shocks to the motor while in operation so not an apples to apples comparison.

[Hehe]

Again, it's not experiencing any violent lateral shocks to the motor while in operation so not an apples to apples comparison.

Lateral shocks are relative. I don't think the amount of G I'm putting on my Dyson why suddenly moving it up and down or side to side or even rotational movement while vacuuming at full speed is any less than what a Tesla would experience (again, relatively speaking) while going on the road. If anything, I'd say that my Dyson experience significantly higher degree of shocks, and yet, it works just fine.

[!LittleDragon]

Looks like it actually is a problem. I'd be interested to find out if these cars with motor failures were mainly city or highway miles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/99ojac/rich_rebuilds_first_generation_tesla_motor/

[whitev70r]

Model 3 Slayer!

https://youtu.be/v-jSQIgsL5M

[Koflach]

Model 3 Slayer!

https://youtu.be/v-jSQIgsL5M

Why did they use the AWD and not the performance version of the model 3 in the video?

[roastpuff]

Why did they use the AWD and not the performance version of the model 3 in the video?

It's likely a friend's, and not a press car. So it's whoever's car they can scare up.

[!Aznboi128]

This, no press Tesla in Canada

[68style]

The performance version comes in AWD too that’s what my friend has...

[Hehe]

Helping in-laws to gather infos.

Any recommended electrician to install a charger? (either Nema or Tesla Wall charger)

TIA!

[aznfreak]

Don't know if its mentioned but BC government offers free chargers.Just pay for electrician

https://zapbc.ca/

Edit: sorry nvm it just ended

[Koflach]

Helping in-laws to gather infos.

Any recommended electrician to install a charger? (either Nema or Tesla Wall charger)

TIA!

If you want to just use the charger that comes with the car you only need a range (oven) plug in the garage. My electrician neighbour did it for me.

[Mr.Money]

that is so stupid to hear people already paid off a fuel efficient car that gets amazing fuel mileage with a bullet proof Japanese engine than decide to buy a Tesla getting rid of it.

i'd never do that knowing what a brand new Tesla costs,secondly,how many years it would take to pay for its self or somewhat reward you not buying fuel,people aren't including tires and what surprises the car might have for you out of warranty

[twitchyzero]

so people can't upgrade just because their vehicle is paid off, is reliable and fuel efficient?

with all the incentives right now, entry is not as bad as you think

but no i wouldn't buy it solely for gas savings

[asian_XL]

Model 3 launched in Hong Kong this week...but I can't order it, it only has standard plus (RWD), and I want AWD non-P. I am pissed cause I've waited 3 years hoping to be the first one getting it.

[underscore]

Another one burned to a crisp while charging. Combined with the randomly exploding ones, I don't think I'd want one of these parked anywhere near me. Certainly not in my garage.

https://electrek.co/2019/06/01/tesla-fire-supercharger/?fbclid=IwAR0JQEZ2shYoE3symta1dmFX_3sTHuqrRczNVGYS Ds1j7PzM6C6p0AbXWk8

[68style]

Model 3 launched in Hong Kong this week...but I can't order it, it only has standard plus (RWD), and I want AWD non-P. I am pissed cause I've waited 3 years hoping to be the first one getting it.

Why do you need AWD in HK?

[Manic!]

Another one burned to a crisp while charging. Combined with the randomly exploding ones, I don't think I'd want one of these parked anywhere near me. Certainly not in my garage.

https://electrek.co/2019/06/01/tesla-fire-supercharger/?fbclid=IwAR0JQEZ2shYoE3symta1dmFX_3sTHuqrRczNVGYS Ds1j7PzM6C6p0AbXWk8

19 more cars to add to your list.

https://www.hotcars.com/20-cars-with-the-highest-chances-of-catching-on-fire/

[underscore]

19 more cars to add to your list.

https://www.hotcars.com/20-cars-with-the-highest-chances-of-catching-on-fire/

A Tesla is #1 on that list as well, and 2 others are electric cars. The rest of the list is mostly high-end exotic stuff and very old cars (a Vega? really?).

I would be interested to see an actual breakdown of numbers of cars combusting while refueling, as that now happens at home for many electric cars that risk is now transferred home instead of being at a gas station.

[Koflach]

Just like with any other vehicle, an electric vehicle has a chance of catching on fire. No car is perfect but to write them all off because some have caught on fire is just stupid. EV fires are going to be put under the spotlight right now as they are a relatively new technology and people are hyper sensitive to any negative news about them.

If you want to avoid driving in a vehicle that has a chance of catching on fire you should sell your car and just ride a bike. Every year there are over 170,000 vehicle fires in the united states and I guarantee that 99%+ of those are ICE vehicles.

Take things with a grain of salt with any piece of news these days and ask some questions. How old was the car that caught on fire? Was there an issue with the charger that caused the fire? Was there any existing damage to the car that may have caused the fire while charging?

Regardless of what the cause was, it's still something to be concerned about and it appears as if Tesla has sent out an update to help address some of the potential causes. That being said, i'd be interested in seeing a breakdown by model as to which cars have been catching on fire. It sure does look like the model S seems to be the most prominent one but that also probably has something to do with how many are on the road.

[asian_XL]

Why do you need AWD in HK?

well, to enjoy the most out of the tax benefit, it is the AWD version that benefits the most and it is quicker

[underscore]

EV fires are going to be put under the spotlight right now as they are a relatively new technology and people are hyper sensitive to any negative news about them.

They also seem to be a lot harder to deal with than a gas fire because of the batteries. It may just be a fluke but all the spontaneous ones I'm seeing in the news are Teslas, the fires involving other models that I've heard about are the result of accidents. Hybrids seem to have done fine over the years as well.

Every year there are over 170,000 vehicle fires in the united states and I guarantee that 99%+ of those are ICE vehicles.

How old are those vehicles, and when are the fires happening? ICE vehicles tend to catch fire when they're older and being driven, not nearly new and parked. If a fire starts while driving you're already paying attention to the car and can react more quickly to get away from it, if it happens in your garage in the middle of the night

Stolen from the comments on the article:

To be fair, there are 260k model Ss, and over 1.4 billion ICEs on the road. That's what, 21,538 ICEs that would have needed to start on fire in the past 2 months. Also to be fair, these are car fires occurring when the car is turned off and/or fueling. So we would need 21,538 ICEs catching on fire while turned off / fueling to be equivalent.. Just sayin', it's a pretty silly thing to throw in there as if "Well, because ICEs start on fire, these fires are ok.".

Maybe I'm just being overly cautious because in most of the detached homes around here, the non-master bedrooms are typically above the garage (ie the kids rooms) so I'm not too jazzed about the idea of placing something potentially explosive directly beneath my kids bed.

Take things with a grain of salt with any piece of news these days and ask some questions. How old was the car that caught on fire? Was there an issue with the charger that caused the fire? Was there any existing damage to the car that may have caused the fire while charging?

Given the amount of tech in these things, should it not be set up to detect those kinds of issues and stop charging? Perhaps I shouldn't have assumed they had charging safety sorted out when they started spending a bunch of time with flashy stuff like the doors flapping to music.

[roastpuff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35gWBtLCYg

I like.

[underscore]

That looks better than any of the renderings for their actual truck. Given the size isn't it more of a ute though?

[roastpuff]

That looks better than any of the renderings for their actual truck. Given the size isn't it more of a ute though?

She (Simone Giertz aka Queen of Shitty Robots) did say it was El Camino inspired. It's even RWD!

[punkwax]

This looks pretty badass

https://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/emre-husmen-tesla-pickup-truck-concept-designboom600.jpg

[Hehe]

This looks pretty badass

https://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/emre-husmen-tesla-pickup-truck-concept-designboom600.jpg

Looks great as an ICE truck... but I doubt there would be so many air vent opening for a Tesla EV truck.

EV is all about low air drag, so the more opening, the more drag it creates.

If the teaser is any indication, and following Tesla's design language, I'd say it's going to look like an enlarged Roaster with Elongated :fuckthatshit: front to create more space for batteries and low drag.

Heck, I'd go as far as saying it's going to have some weird suicide doors/single piece with crash protection built into the door to create a safe and yet functional (say creating a side loading mechanism) door design (as I see it the main reason why no teaser ever show the door).

[Manic!]

https://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/tesla-pick-up-truck-designboom-header.jpg

https://static.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/tesla-pick-up-truck-designboom-02.jpg


That's a F150 in the bed.

https://www.designboom.com/technology/tesla-unveils-electric-pick-truck-12-27-2017/

[twitchyzero]

let's se e how well it does in a rollover when you take away the c pillar

+1 on looks though

[Hehe]

In-laws just took delivery of their SR+ Model 3.

For less than half of the price (incentive included), I'm surprised how well it compared to the Model X I've previously driven.

I mean, sure the X is fancier and better in almost any and every way, but for double the price, it better be.

So tempted to switch my DD...

[Koflach]

In-laws just took delivery of their SR+ Model 3.

For less than half of the price (incentive included), I'm surprised how well it compared to the Model X I've previously driven.

I mean, sure the X is fancier and better in almost any and every way, but for double the price, it better be.

So tempted to switch my DD...

Do it, it's an amazing car. i've got the LR RWD and it's a blast to drive every day.

[!Aznboi128]

Has anyone been in an accident with their Tesla? I'm curious to see if the parts shortage is a real thing or not.

[Hehe]

Has anyone been in an accident with their Tesla? I'm curious to see if the parts shortage is a real thing or not.

An anecdotal note for sure, but I was talking to a gent when in-law was taking delivery who was there picking up his 3rd Tesla, and we were talking about problems of owning a Tesla. He told me parts aren't exactly an issue unless you are looking for something which just happened to be in low supply/high demand.

The problem here in YVR is the limit amount of shops qualified to work on Teslas. He believes there are only a whopping 3 shops in BC that can service them. And they aren't dedicated to Tesla either.

Thus, it's often that they have to wait for the bodyshop to have a space, and then order whatever it's necessary to fix it. And sometimes the wait time for shop space/time is way longer than the part.

Nevertheless, he believes the worst is behind us already because given the BC/Fed incentives, we are becoming a very strong market for Teslas... which he think will add additional resources not just from Tesla itself, but also 3rd parties interests with Tesla.

[asian_XL]

Just ordered Tesla Model 3 Performance Black (no option at all) over the phone :)

[toyota86]

Has anyone been in an accident with their Tesla? I'm curious to see if the parts shortage is a real thing or not.

My work place had a couple tesla come through. Not accident cars but needed trims, undertray, glass, door handle, mostly cosmetic stuff to prep the cars for resale. Parts take forever to arrive. It feels like the parts staff at the Tesla dealer don't really know what they are doing.

[Alpine]

Friend has a Model S and has been in a couple of minor parking lot fender benders (richmond...). Parts take months to come in and any type of damage to one of the sensors will take the entire system offline. When parts do come in you also have to hope and pray that the technician calibrates the sensor system properly...

[Hehe]

I’m at the Tesla dealer today as a friend is picking his model 3.

They just announced today that bc incentives are cut from 5000 to 3000. But the place is a complete zoo. Probably 100ppl waiting for delivery.

Last time it was early in the morning so I didn’t see so much crowd. But it’s insane the lines here. Almost like a new iPhone selling on day 1. But for a car that’s over 50k. Nuts

[68style]

^Lots of people “saving money” :rukidding:

[akira112]

I’m at the Tesla dealer today as a friend is picking his model 3.

They just announced today that bc incentives are cut from 5000 to 3000. But the place is a complete zoo. Probably 100ppl waiting for delivery.

Last time it was early in the morning so I didn’t see so much crowd. But it’s insane the lines here. Almost like a new iPhone selling on day 1. But for a car that’s over 50k. Nuts

Did your friend get the old amount?
My friend ordered a 3 and they finally had her car ready yesterday, unfortunately same day they cut the incentive. She couldn't get the old incentive amount Eve though she ordered weeks ago.

[G0rilla]

Ugh your friend should talk to tesla cuz they obviously don't know what they're talking about.

Vehicles that were bought or reserved during the previous incentive programs will still qualify for the higher rebates.

[twitchyzero]

was curious so optioned out an model Y AWD (450 km) white interior red paint and base everything else...77k before incentives

can't believe the only alternative is the Kona...Toyobaru's FoRAVster EV please save our souls

[sleepywheel]

I wanted to get the Model Y and I just sold my gas guzzling Chevy Crewcab. None of the Kona's or Hyundai's interest me. What to buy?

[Alpine]

A cheap, used fuel efficient car until the Y comes out.

[sleepywheel]

Got this in an email from Tesla.

CEVforBC Rebates Changes:

As of June 22, 2019, the CEVforBC rebate is $3,000 for Model 3 Standard Range and Standard Range Plus
Individuals can only receive one CEVforBC incentive over the life of the new program
If your order was placed before June 22, 2019, old program rules apply ($5,000 on Model 3 SR, SR+, LR RWD, LR AWD)
All rebates are applied at time of delivery, should funds and program be available
Tesla is unable to reserve funds as your VIN is not finalized until delivery

[asian_XL]

Performance model seems to be cheaper in Hong Kong than in the States. Tesla Hong Kong even offers free charger installation which cost like 3K. I couldn't believe I ordered the performance rather than the cheaper AWD model.

http://i64.tinypic.com/f069zn.jpg

[twitchyzero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC95WACQhCY

not bad, but US has better infrastructure

[Mr.Money]

i have no clue why telsa supercharge stations are laying on their ass here compared to USA.


Telus is sitting up their own charge stations in different area's of BC to get in on the $$$

[asian_XL]

geeez...white is standard colour, which is nice. Performance model is at USD54K and it comes performance option standard.

[Traum]

LOL~

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/15/tesla-workers-in-ga4-tent-describe-pressure-to-make-model-3-goals.html

- Tesla produced a record 72,531 Model 3 electric sedans in the second quarter of 2019.
- Employees in the open-air GA4 “tent,” which is not fully automated, tell CNBC they were pressured to take shortcuts to hit goals — reducing vehicle testing for water leaks and using electrical tape on plastic housings to make quick fixes during Model 3 assembly.
- Employees in the tent say they have also had to work through harsh weather and unhealthy air quality.

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106016658-1562951087707tape2square.jpg
A photograph sent by a Tesla employee showing how electrical tape was used during Model 3 assembly.

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106017084-1562969485988tesla_ga_pressures_missing_nut_loose_ wires.jpg
Tesla workers said they sometimes skipped installation of certain bolts, nuts or lugs in a rush to hit their Model 3 production goals.

[!LittleDragon]

ZF's designing a 2 speed transmission for electric cars...

https://jalopnik.com/heres-zfs-new-two-speed-transmission-for-electric-cars-1836428183

Pretty much all mainstream electric cars integrate their electric motors with single-speed, often 10:1-ish gear reductions, mostly because it’s cheap and easy, and it works. But now, the German transmission company that changed the industry with the now-ubiquitous eight-speed automatic is showing off an electric drive unit with multiple speeds. Two, to be exact.

In its press release, ZF refers to its new contraption as a “2-speed electric drive.” Like a Tesla drive unit, it integrates an electric motor with power electronics and a gear reduction all in a single unit, except instead of a single-speed reduction as is common among EV manufacturers (EV supercar maker Rimac does offer multiple speeds, and so do some Formula E cars), there are two ratios.

ZF claims the new unit, can provide “up to” a 5 percent increase in range when compared to a single-speed unit, though the transmission manufacturer doesn’t go into detail on that figure, though it does stress the “integrated” nature of the setup as key to improvements energy conversion efficiency.

Perhaps more importantly, the two-stage shift element should allow for an automaker to better trade off acceleration and top speed. From ZF’s press release:

The 2-speed concept offers benefits for OEMs who are pursuing performance. “Until now, with electric motors, vehicle manufacturers have had to choose between high initial torque and a high top speed”, explains Hellwig. “We are now resolving this conflict and the new drive will be compatible for performance and heavier vehicles – for example for passenger cars towing a trailer.”

ZF mentions both a 140 kW as well as a 250 kW unit, saying the modular nature of the two-speed e-drive allows it to be “fine-tuned and scaled up.” As for the shift strategy, ZF has some pretty unconventional ideas. From its press release:

Shifts take place at 70 km/h. By connecting to the vehicle’s CAN communication it is also possible – if the customer so wishes – to devise other shift strategies, possibly linked to digital map material and GPS. For example, the vehicle could identify from the GPS route programming how far it is to the next charging station, enabling it to respond predictively by switching into Eco-mode. More effective shifts would also be possible in accounting for topography on the interstate, and on inter-city journeys. The software in the drive can also be updated thanks to the network link to Cloud services via over-the-air updates.

It’s an interesting setup, and I’m curious to see if any mainstream automakers will think it’s worth the cost, since single-speed units seem to do just fine, as electric motors have ample low-end torque, high enough revs, and good enough efficiency across the power band to make do with just one gear ratio. You can learn more about why most EVs use a single gear in Engineering Explained’s YouTube video below:

[twitchyzero]

Tesla workers said they sometimes skipped installation of certain bolts, nuts or lugs in a rush to hit their Model 3 production goals.

crap build quality as a result of rushed production has been beaten to death here, but owners claim it's only the very launch vehicles in 2017

but credit where due, if you look back enough pages i said the 35k usd base model wouldn't ship in Canada until 2019 given Model X's track record...at least they delivered on that promise

where i was wrong was predicting there would be other affordable equivalents by then like Honda Civic etc.

[TypeRNammer]

For the folks that ordered their Tesla's, did you guys opt for the full self driving option?

Price seems pretty steep and it only going to get higher.

[Koflach]

For the folks that ordered their Tesla's, did you guys opt for the full self driving option?

Price seems pretty steep and it only going to get higher.

No. I don't do very much highway driving so I opted to not get FSD or AP.

[sleepywheel]

For the folks that ordered their Tesla's, did you guys opt for the full self driving option?

Price seems pretty steep and it only going to get higher.

Both a friend and I bought the M3 and neither wanted the option. We figured that we would be trading them in when the warranty was getting near the expiry date and by then there would be big changes in the newer cars and most likely the option would be included.

[Hehe]

For the folks that ordered their Tesla's, did you guys opt for the full self driving option?

Price seems pretty steep and it only going to get higher.

Get it after delivery in the Tesla account unless you plan to finance the FSD.

[Badhobz]

Come on Toyota!!! Bring me a model s competitor already. Or a corolla ev.

I ain't buying some shit held together with electrical tape/missing bolts/ and has misaligned doors.

[Koflach]

Get it after delivery in the Tesla account unless you plan to finance the FSD.

Another good reason to get these after purchase is you don't have to pay the additional luxury tax on them that way.

[Badhobz]

Forbes: A Tesla Accelerator Pedal Snapped Off While Driving—This Isn't The First Time It's Happened.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyvkoff/2019/08/04/a-teslas-accelerator-pedal-snapped-off-while-driving-this-isnt-the-first-time-its-happened/

[twitchyzero]

i remember snapped pedals was a thing for the Evo X, then again it was based on a $16k economy car, not a fucking $100k luxury "SUV" :fuckthatshit:

[yray]

should've bought the part from mercedes

:lol

[Koflach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywleQX5lyA

[Nlkko]

So many Teslas in Vancouver now, it's the new Corollas.

[twitchyzero]

it's the new bmw 3-series in town

[Koflach]

it's the new bmw 3-series in town

yup. even in langley it's getting pretty common. I was at a stop light on Friday and there was me in my red one, a white one in front of me and another white one on my left.

[Manic!]

A used BMW 3 series is the new used civic. So many high school students own one.

[asian_XL]

:alone:counting down....1 more month before picking up my M3P

[TouringTeg]

A used BMW 3 series is the new used civic. So many high school students own one.
Neighbour high school kid got a beater 4 door E46 3 series. For 2 years it sits in the grass rotting away because he got a reliable 98+ Prelude to drive. He should get rid of it already.

Same over here so many Tesla Model 3. You can thanks the rebates for that.

[twitchyzero]

i'd hit it

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/y8E6K/s1/model-3-roadster.jpg

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5AvSexhpm0

I'm not a Tesla follower but I saw this video. I guess they've been regularly updating this feature. It's quite amusing to watch.

Although the dude is an idiot for constantly standing in front of it and, thus, confusing it, it does showcase what it might do if say a random bicyclist or shopping cart crossed its path.

[RickyTan3]

:alone:counting down....1 more month before picking up my M3P

1 month?

I placed an order it said 3 weeks but in my account says 2 weeks...

WHY SO LONG?

[Badhobz]

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/24/tesla-model-3-vs-toyota-corolla-cost-of-ownership-range-lost-on-parked-model-3-tesla-service-ftw-cleantechnica-top-20/amp/

Holy crap. Toyota is awesome !!!

[Alpine]

Honestly, they need to scale insurance rates based on repair costs. Almost any type of bumper swipe to a Tesla that damages a sensor is $10k.

[Jmac]

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/24/tesla-model-3-vs-toyota-corolla-cost-of-ownership-range-lost-on-parked-model-3-tesla-service-ftw-cleantechnica-top-20/amp/

Holy crap. Toyota is awesome !!!
The numbers in their table are ... questionable.

Just looking at the Camry LE 5-year cost of ownership:
- Who is dropping $4k USD on maintenance and repairs on a brand new Camry over the first 5 years?
- A 2015 Camry LE had an MSRP of $23,850 CAD (Toyota.ca) when it came out in October 2014. 5 years later less a handful of weeks, they’re going for between $14,900 and $17,000 on Autotrader.ca in BC. You’re telling me a Camry that currently has a WORST CASE 38% loss in value is going to balloon to a 64% loss 5 years later? While an Audi A5 is retaining almost half its value?

[Hehe]

The numbers in their table are ... questionable.

Just looking at the Camry LE 5-year cost of ownership:
- Who is dropping $4k USD on maintenance and repairs on a brand new Camry over the first 5 years?
- A 2015 Camry LE had an MSRP of $23,850 CAD (Toyota.ca) when it came out in October 2014. 5 years later less a handful of weeks, they’re going for between $14,900 and $17,000 on Autotrader.ca in BC. You’re telling me a Camry that currently has a WORST CASE 38% loss in value is going to balloon to a 64% loss 5 years later? While an Audi A5 is retaining almost half its value?

The maintenance is not totally out of whack either if one follows the dealer supplied schedule (which, unfortunately, most people do).

I don't deal with Toyota, so I can't speak, but Honda, which should be similar to Toyota's... we have an Odyssey (well, in-laws... but we get to use often) and they have been to 4 services so far? I'd guesstimate that we have spent about 1200 in service already. Some aren't needed imo... but I'm not going to discuss with my wife's dad when it's his car. And he just does everything the dealer "recommends" him to do. And that's for 2yrs... then the big services will start to come at roughly 60k and 100k, which should be done by the time it hits 5yrs old.

Either way, there's no comparison when it comes to maintenance between ICE and EV. Tesla needs little to nothing. Maybe some lubrication here and there.... but there isn't much in there that can move or be consumed.

[twitchyzero]

Tesla needing 'nothing' is not an argument in favour against the average honda/toyota

slightly more frequent brake job and oil change broken down to annual costs is likely the difference of less than $100 in consumables

i agree it's not fair because not everyone does simple wrenching..but add in labour costs for any indie shop that can work on these commonplace appliances and it's still rather reasonable...but good luck finding a shop that knows how to work on tesla let's say sensors needing recalib or needing new body work without a ridiculous wait

unless of course you drive an Odyssey...get your wallet ready for a tranny rebuild

so be smart and buy something proven...Model 3 is not proven when it comes to longevity/durability (yet?) which might be justified if you get something stupid like 10k back in incentives....but from a maintenance perspective it's honestly not as drastic as these EV elitist blogs try to make it out as when pitted against Japanese platforms with very good track records

[JDMDreams]

What kinda discounts are you guys getting at Tesla? I checked their site and seems like there is $8000 total, 5 from Fed? And 3 from provincial? Anything else if you trade in?

[Hehe]

What kinda discounts are you guys getting at Tesla? I checked their site and seems like there is $8000 total, 5 from Fed? And 3 from provincial? Anything else if you trade in?

I believe he was referring to the old program where both provincial and federal are 5k and stackable.

It's true that Model 3 isn't yet proven. But the saving in gas and maintenance in EV is just a fact. It doesn't matter if it's Tesla, Kia or whoever out there.

EV drivetrains are far more efficient and simple (in design) comparing to their ICE counterparts. The absolute best thermal efficient ICE on road is a 1.3L Toyota at roughly 38% vs. Tesla at 85-90%. Too much energy is wasted as heat in ICE.

My Mini cooper, which is quite good on gas overall at 7.2L/100km costs 7.2*1.55 (it needs premium)= roughly $11. A Model 3 probably needs about 15kw at most? 1kw is 14cents with BC Hydro. That means $2.10 for the same 100km of driving. Even if you add the 20% loss in charging, that still make it under $3.

Yes, we'd get into the argument of how long it would take to get that saving back of a Model3 vs. a Camry on their costs. But if you compare cars in the same category (Model3 is mostly compared to BMW 3, Benz C-class due its pricing)... the medium-long term (say 100k km) saving on EV is quite significant.

And to say Tesla's reliability has yet to be proven... I'd say that if Model S is any indication, Model 3 should do just fine. I've met gen 1 Model S owners with over 150k on the odo and still drive pretty much the same as day 1. On ICE vehicle, you have the engine, transmission, clutch... etc to worry about simply because all the wear and tear that goes into them in the environment that those parts are under.

[Koflach]

Tesla needing 'nothing' is not an argument in favour against the average honda/toyota

slightly more frequent brake job and oil change broken down to annual costs is likely the difference of less than $100 in consumables

i agree it's not fair because not everyone does simple wrenching..but add in labour costs for any indie shop that can work on these commonplace appliances and it's still rather reasonable...but good luck finding a shop that knows how to work on tesla let's say sensors needing recalib or needing new body work without a ridiculous wait

unless of course you drive an Odyssey...get your wallet ready for a tranny rebuild

so be smart and buy something proven...Model 3 is not proven when it comes to longevity/durability (yet?) which might be justified if you get something stupid like 10k back in incentives....but from a maintenance perspective it's honestly not as drastic as these EV elitist blogs try to make it out as when pitted against Japanese platforms with very good track records

Today is 1 year with my Model 3 and I have spent a grand total of $0 on maintenance on it so far. Yesterday I had the best service experience ever. I had a minor issue with the car (Signal would stay on sometimes when I press halfway down on left turns) and they came to my house to fix it. 45 minutes later it was done as well as 2 safety recalls.

Keep in mind that it's not just about the cost of the maintenance but it's also your time as well.

[twitchyzero]

year 1, what's it like year 8?

what safety recall did they do in 15 min? plugged in a USB?

i guess it comes down to the individual...if you're someone who buys applecare and just bring it to the store with any issue then tesla's model can work well

i dont mind finding an afternoon to bang it out, but you're right, time is money...the comparison above shelling out thousands for a camry a year is ridiculous though

Model S is any indication, Model 3 should do just fine. I've met gen 1 Model S owners with over 150k on the odo and still drive pretty much the same as day 1. On ICE vehicle, you have the engine, transmission, clutch... etc to worry about simply because all the wear and tear that goes into them in the environment that those parts are under.

Model S long term is not bad for their first mass produced model but still kinda average at best, and its production was not rushed unlike the X and 3

[RickyTan3]

I couldn’t wait for white on white and got silver on white.
I wish I swapped to Tesla sooner..

Most fun I’ve had in a car and so cheap!

[asian_XL]

1 month?

I placed an order it said 3 weeks but in my account says 2 weeks...

WHY SO LONG?

Tesla Hong Kong called me saying it won't ready until end of Oct or even Nov.
FailFish.
My HRE FF01 20" is already on the way to my home, now has to wait for another month or so to put them on.

[RickyTan3]

Tesla Hong Kong called me saying it won't ready until end of Oct or even Nov.
FailFish.
My HRE FF01 20" is already on the way to my home, now has to wait for another month or so to put them on.

Oh you’re in hk. I wonder how the Tesla scene is there.
When I ordered a performance they said 2 weeks... they really need to learn how to under promise over deliver. After I took delivery of a my current one the sales person said they have few customers since July 15 waiting for white white as well..

[twitchyzero]

in their defense 7/15 is < 2 mos, which is not that long of a wait at all when ti comes to ordering a new car

[RickyTan3]

in their defense 7/15 is < 2 mos, which is not that long of a wait at all when ti comes to ordering a new car

I rather tesla say 3-4 weeks than 2 weeks flat. My friend ordered 1 and got delivery date 3 days later. Would make customers less pissed.

[asian_XL]

Tesla Hong Kong just called saying they no longer supply Base Performance Model worldwide, as I ordered White, they now offer me FREE RED colour upgrade!!!

:spamarama:

[twitchyzero]

lol beta testing at its finest
icbc will deny claims if smart summon fucks up

https://globalnews.ca/news/6131588/video-bc-self-driving-tesla-wrong-side-road/