[mikemhg]

To think Trump and all these so called "conservatives" literally years ago were looking to Russia as a bastion of example, a country to emulate and aspire to become more like :lol

These people are fucking idiots.

[danned]

https://s01.sgp1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/article/171377-sxoadgfznv-1647001064.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Kerch Bridge, built by Russia in 2018 after occupying Crimea, has been severely damaged. Not sure how much of it was destroyed, but if they were successful this will make it pretty impossible for Russia to defend Crimea once Ukraine moves in.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1578606253588504577

It was seen as a weak point for as long as Russia had been holding the territory, but now it looks like they hit it. You can watch the beginning of this video to learn about its strategic importance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE5afkEqG08

From BBC

It is hard to exaggerate the significance, and symbolism, of seeing the bridge on fire. Opened by President Putin in 2018, it was meant to symbolise that Crimea was Russian.

Russia has used the bridge to move military equipment, ammunition, and personnel from Russia to battlefields in southern Ukraine.

As such, Ukrainian authorities said it was a legitimate target, as they vow to retake the peninsula.

Any attack on Crimea, where the Russian army has a massive presence, will be seen as another massive humiliation for the Kremlin.

The bridge is particularly hated by Ukrainians. Social media in Ukraine erupted in celebration on seeing the fire - one day after Russian President Vladimir Putin turned 70.

[underscore]

What a wonderful belated birthday gift for that war criming piece of shit.

[SkinnyPupp]

Update on the bridge: The road can still be crossed, but the train track is likely ruined

If you watch videos of the explosion, they timed it to occur when a train was passing by with fuel containers. Have to assume that was done intentionally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Femoz_GWQAE0YyX.jpg

[donk.]

They should come back and blow up a couple more sections

[Mr.Money]

whatever long range missiles they used must've being hard to come-by


unlike other army's that would do a show of power & completely do it enough to clear 2x over.

[SkinnyPupp]

whatever long range missiles they used must've being hard to come-by


unlike other army's that would do a show of power & completely do it enough to clear 2x over.
It wasn't a missile, it was a bomb planted on a truck that was going back to Russia.

AFAIK Ukraine hasn't even accepted responsibility for it yet, it's possible that this was a civilian attack. Unlikely, but possible!

[SkinnyPupp]

Russia is bombing the shit out of civilians throughout the country again, more than ever since Feb. I guess this is in retaliation

https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1579465601231507457

[SkinnyPupp]

Love these updates

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgsyJKgXoAAn4O4.jpg

[whitev70r]

^ are these intelligence updates trustworthy? It sounds like what Russians would do ... but it also sounds like fuel for propaganda war.

[SkinnyPupp]

^ are these intelligence updates trustworthy? It sounds like what Russians would do ... but it also sounds like fuel for propaganda war.
Oh it's totally propaganda. I take it as entertainment more than anything, and it kind of boosts morale about the invasion. It's nice to see when actual bad guys are doing so poorly.

They have to be based somewhat on fact though - the way things have been going have pretty much directly confirmed it little by little.

They also post maps of the contested areas which is interesting to see... Here's the latest one

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgtlY8BXEAA6mWa.jpg

And here's one from April

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPLGsd2WYAU1SJd.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Russia has retreated from Kherson (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-has-completed-kherson-withdrawal-tass-2022-11-11/)

Yes, the city that Putin claimed was now a part of Russia and would be "Russian forever" in September. In fact they still say that (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-status-kherson-part-russia-unchanged-2022-11-11/).

You can see it in the southwest portion on the map above

So far Russia has lost around 80,000 soldiers (https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/11/7375901/)

[pastarocket]

Shit just got real. :heckno:

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/h_e7fcb96313566fdeabb625b08f4b4b7f

Two Polish people are killed after Russian missiles hit a farm in Poland.

Of course, NATO is having an emergency meeting now in response to this situation.

-from the article:

From CNN's Tim Lister and Antonia Mortensen

Two missiles or rockets are reported to have hit a farm in Poland, near the border with Ukraine. Two people are reported killed.

Polish media showed an image of a deep impact and upturned farm vehicle at the site, near the town of Przewodow.

It's unclear where the projectiles came from.

However, the missiles or rockets landed at roughly the same time as a Russian missile attack on western Ukraine.

A government spokesperson said that Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has convened the Committee of the Council of Ministers for National Security and Defense Affairs.

[Traum]

Shit just got real. :heckno:

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/h_e7fcb96313566fdeabb625b08f4b4b7f

Two Polish people are killed after Russian missiles hit a farm in Poland.

Was just gonna post something along the same lines myself. But yeah, shxt just got real... FailFish

[Great68]

That's just 10km from my mom's home town. Jesus.

[Badhobz]

fuck this guy. he needs to go.

all our advance technologies and nobody can space laser this fucker out of existence?

[westopher]

Well, now Russia has officially attacked a NATO nation it seems.

[ilovebacon]

for two polish civilians, do you think Nato will react?

[CivicBlues]

Yeah the world's not going to end over this. Sorry guys.

The US accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy in Serbia back in '99 and got away with it by saying "Muh Bad"

[westopher]

for two polish civilians, do you think Nato will react?
No, but it quite literally is the exact scenario they said would provoke a reaction. This only emboldens Russia.

[bobbinka]

https://media.tenor.com/WsQqZCHzSRwAAAAM/dog-gate.gif

[Great68]

I don't see Article 5 and full scale war. But intentional or not, this will still be a test of NATO. Perhaps extending air defense perimeter beyond Poland's borders like 50km into Ukraine or something.

[Traum]

for two polish civilians, do you think Nato will react?
It really depends on where NATO stands.

If there is a hawkish majority among NATO, all they really need is a legitimate excuse to start attacking Russia, and this missile attack on Poland totally meets that requirement.

If the pacifist faction is stronger in NATO, they will likely just issue a stern warning / ultimatum sort of thing as the immediate response. Following that, they will find ways to crank down the noose even more to strangle Russia to economic and financial death.

[murd0c]

for two polish civilians, do you think Nato will react?

This is the question, I honestly don't think so since its only two civilians (I feel bad saying that) but if NATO has been leaning towards intervening this would be the time to do it. We won't know until the full on attack is made on Russia which would be the largest we have ever seen.

[inv4zn]

Zelensky repeatedly called on the "G19" today, lol
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63632161

[EvoFire]

Zelensky repeatedly called on the "G19" today, lol
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63632161

I thought it was a good troll. And putting Lavrov through the whole 20 mins of rambling was hilarious.

[whitev70r]

Missile/bomb into Poland killing 2 most likely an accident or unintentional or anti-missile knocked incoming missile out of course.

[GLOW]

when i read that they denied it was them that did it and blamed the west on making up lies...

https://backtracks.fm/xr/aHR0cHM6Ly9hc3NldHMucG9kb21hdGljLm5ldC90cy9mMi8wZS 80ZC9mbGFncmFudGZlbGxhc3BvZC8xNDAweDE0MDBfODIyNzUw OS5qcGc_YnRfdz0yMjAmYnRfaD0yMjA%253D

[Manic!]

Biden just said it was unlikely the trajectory of the missile was from Russia.

[Traum]

Biden just said it was unlikely the trajectory of the missile was from Russia.
Obviously I am not buying Biden's story. But if that is the story they are trying to sell, that is the story they are gonna stick to.

I am both disappointed and relieved by Biden's reply for obvious reasons, and I guess this means we are just gonna see the Russia-Ukraine war drags out even more.

On the note of having the war drag on, I wonder how much truth there is in the UK Sun's story about how Putin is having a 3-hit combo of Parkinson's disease + prostate & pancreatic cancer...

[SkinnyPupp]

Obviously I am not buying Biden's story. But if that is the story they are trying to sell, that is the story they are gonna stick to.

I am both disappointed and relieved by Biden's reply for obvious reasons, and I guess this means we are just gonna see the Russia-Ukraine war drags out even more.

On the note of having the war drag on, I wonder how much truth there is in the UK Sun's story about how Putin is having a 3-hit combo of Parkinson's disease + prostate & pancreatic cancer...
What explanation are you leaning towards? False flag? Russia starting WW3 by bombing 2 random people?

[Traum]

It is entirely based on common sense -- which is of course prone to error. But given how Russia was just pounding Ukraine -- including the western side of the country -- with missiles on the same day, I think it is much easier to explain the Poland missile hit as something going astray or getting knocked off course.

[SkinnyPupp]

It is entirely based on common sense -- which is of course prone to error. But given how Russia was just pounding Ukraine -- including the western side of the country -- with missiles on the same day, I think it is much easier to explain the Poland missile hit as something going astray or getting knocked off course.
Well yeah that's the explanation being given so far.. It was most likely a Ukrainian missile. What is Biden's story you're not buying? He's basically saying this...

[donk.]

A missile going astray, is as likely as an 800,000lb airplane collapsing a 550,000,000lb tower

[Traum]

Well yeah that's the explanation being given so far.. It was most likely a Ukrainian missile. What is Biden's story you're not buying? He's basically saying this...
Are you reading the same news that I am reading, SkinnyPupp?

https://www.reuters.com/world/global-leaders-hold-emergency-meeting-over-poland-deaths-2022-11-16/

Asked whether it was too early to say that any missile was fired from Russia, Biden said that the trajectory suggested otherwise.

"There is preliminary information that contests that," he told reporters. "I don't want to say that until we completely investigate it but it is unlikely ... that it was fired from Russia, but we'll see."
I'm saying I don't buy Biden's story here. Given how Russia was pounding western Ukraine with missles, it seemed more likely to me that one of the missiles missed its target somehow, or was deflected by some sort of missile defence system, and ended up striking Poland.

Of course I can be wrong. But at least for the time being, I don't believe Biden's story yet.

[SkinnyPupp]

Biden's story is that it's too early to tell, and it most likely wasn't fired from Russia

How can you "not buy" that?

Also we already know it was the type of missile Ukraine uses

Also if it was a deflected missile, that still means it came from Ukraine

I still don't get what you "don't believe" about his statement, which was basically "we don't know yet". Are you saying they do know, and are covering it up?

[JD¹³]

There are a LOT of ways missiles can go off course or simply be improperly targeted. We don't know exactly what type it was, where it was fired from, and what the EW environment was like at the time. The munition was Russian made but that doesn't guarantee the Russians fired it given how much of their equipment has been acquired by Ukrainian / rebel / militia forces.

Without the IR and telemetry data we can't pinpoint where it came from and the public will never see that. But I guarantee you various nations have had defense satellites parked over the area since before this all kicked off.

You have to take what you hear from both sides with a grain of salt these days. Zero chance A5 is initiated as a result of this.

[Manic!]

A missile going astray, is as likely as an 800,000lb airplane collapsing a 550,000,000lb tower

Or like somthing that weights less than a 100 grams Taking down an animal that weight 6000 kilograms.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure how accurate this is

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1592629251161075712

[Traum]

And so it is said that:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-poland-missile-putin-nato-rcna57416

The deadly blast in Poland that killed two and stoked fears the Kremlin’s war would escalate into a wider conflict was likely an accident caused by Ukraine's air defense responding to a Russian missile barrage, Western leaders said Wednesday.

Not a direct hit from Russia, so NATO shouldn't engage in any direct retailitory action against Russia just yet. Then again, Poland would still have every reason to blame the deaths on Russia.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's totally Russia's fault for happening, but if they're not fiting on Poland there's not much they can do about it.

I just realized what it would be like if it was Trump instead of Biden after this happened.. Jesus christ

[pastarocket]

It appears that Putin set up a back up plan to leave Russia if Russia loses the war with Ukraine.

-stashed billions in cash and gold in the Central African Republic thanks to a security company called Wagner. -really shady company Wagner. -mercenaries for hire:

Wagner is basically Putin's private army. Private security contractors who work for this piece of shit:

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/08/africa/putins-private-army-car-intl/

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/vladimir-putin-stashes-billions-in-central-africa-in-preparation-to-flee-moscow-in-case-of-emergency-evacuation/ar-AA149jO8?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=285c1646d34c4443b274b79d2d8fa766

article:

stashed billions in the Central African Republic in preparation for an "evacuation" in the case of an "emergency situation" in Moscow due to overwhelming disapproval of the war in Ukraine, RadarOnline.com has learned.

An estimated $14.8 billion in cash and gold were sent for safekeeping in Africa under the order of President Putin. The enormous amount of wealth is housed in "underground warehouses" through the oversight of Wagner, a private military company and key ally to Russia.

Wagner has assisted Russia in the invasion of Ukraine through the recruitment of tens of thousands of mercenaries and convicts to supply the front lines with desperately needed manpower.

Putin and the head of the Central Africa Republic met last Friday to discuss the transfer of assets.

The telegram channel records revealed that Putin "hinted at his possible visit in the near future" to the Central Africa Republic's capital of Bangui.

The channel also announced that the Russian president "considers the Central African Republic as one of two options for evacuation in an emergency situation for himself and his loved ones, outside the territory of the Russian Federation."

The alarming announcement came with a further warning.

"Now Putin considers the possibility of evacuation as realistic, so it is important for him to understand that there are options and they are quite feasible."

The CNN article mentions that Russia is expanding its influence in Africa now that the US is withdrawing its military presence from that continent. Wagner gets a big share of profits from selling gold, diamonds, etc. from African countries in exchange for providing military power to a group of African dictators in various countries.

Mercenaries for hire. Putin's military goons.

[donk.]

Hopefully someone in Africa guts Putler open like a fish, then the corrupt officials can take 95% of his money into their own pockets, and distribute the other 5% to the people

[murd0c]

If only they could take that money and send it straight to Ukraine, that would be the ultimate fuck you to Putin.

[EvoFire]

It appears that Putin set up a back up plan to leave Russia if Russia loses the war with Ukraine.

-stashed billions in cash and gold in the Central African Republic thanks to a security company called Wagner. -really shady company Wagner. -mercenaries for hire:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/vladimir-putin-stashes-billions-in-central-africa-in-preparation-to-flee-moscow-in-case-of-emergency-evacuation/ar-AA149jO8?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=285c1646d34c4443b274b79d2d8fa766

article:

stashed billions in the Central African Republic in preparation for an "evacuation" in the case of an "emergency situation" in Moscow due to overwhelming disapproval of the war in Ukraine, RadarOnline.com has learned.

An estimated $14.8 billion in cash and gold were sent for safekeeping in Africa under the order of President Putin. The enormous amount of wealth is housed in "underground warehouses" through the oversight of Wagner, a private military company and key ally to Russia.

Wagner has assisted Russia in the invasion of Ukraine through the recruitment of tens of thousands of mercenaries and convicts to supply the front lines with desperately needed manpower.

Putin and the head of the Central Africa Republic met last Friday to discuss the transfer of assets.

The telegram channel records revealed that Putin "hinted at his possible visit in the near future" to the Central Africa Republic's capital of Bangui.

The channel also announced that the Russian president "considers the Central African Republic as one of two options for evacuation in an emergency situation for himself and his loved ones, outside the territory of the Russian Federation."

The alarming announcement came with a further warning.

"Now Putin considers the possibility of evacuation as realistic, so it is important for him to understand that there are options and they are quite feasible."

Now I'm just waiting for some diehards to figure out where it is and drag the vault across downtown ala F&F

[whitev70r]

If only they could take that money and send it straight to Ukraine, that would be the ultimate fuck you to Putin.

They are going to need all those billions to fix all the damage that arsehole caused.

[Badhobz]

Now I'm just waiting for some diehards to figure out where it is and drag the vault across downtown ala F&F

They don’t need help from friends, they have family.

[Hondaracer]

They are going to need all those billions to fix all the damage that arsehole caused.

Ukraine will never recover from this.

Russia won’t either but they will be in much better shape

[murd0c]

Ukraine will never recover from this.

Russia won’t either but they will be in much better shape

Ukraine will recover from this, it will just take time and help to speed things up.

[Badhobz]

I cant believe how many good people died because of one man's friggin ego. seriously, fuck this guy.

[SkinnyPupp]

I cant believe how many good people died because of one man's friggin ego. seriously, fuck this guy.
Not just soldiers dying in war - the entire future generation of Russians are fucked because of him

[Hondaracer]

Not just soldiers dying in war - the entire future generation of Russians are fucked because of him

The guy I posted before nfkrz, the Russian vlogger he has some good videos explaining the situation many Russians who left Russia during this time are in.

People who aren’t substantially wealthy who left Russia to avoid conscription are basically fucked. Places like Georgia etc. where many Russians fled to are going to eventually cut off residency applications becsuse the influx is Russians is just fucking over the native population in terms of rent prices etc.

Also a Russian outside of Russia can’t apply for a European visa, so they can really only travel within these countries that have open tourist policies where you can stay for 6 months to a year without having a visa. Schengen zone is even stricter obviously with its 90 of 180 day rule.

People like him who have made a living highlighting the regime will almost certainly be arrested upon returning so he talks about looking to buy a citizenship in South America etc. because the options are so limited now

[quasi]

It's also very difficult to get money out of Russia. I've posted before about our friend who's lived in Moscow the last 10 years, left after the war started. His wife is still there waiting on Canadian Visa to get out, he still works remotely teaching english but he's paid by a Russian company to a Russian bank account, his wife can access the account he cannot use the funds here in Canada. He can't just change which account the funds are deposited to, they don't want that money leaving the Country.

[murd0c]

It's also very difficult to get money out of Russia. I've posted before about our friend who's lived in Moscow the last 10 years, left after the war started. His wife is still there waiting on Canadian Visa to get out, he still works remotely teaching english but he's paid by a Russian company to a Russian bank account, his wife can access the account he cannot use the funds here in Canada. He can't just change which account the funds are deposited to, they don't want that money leaving the Country.

Leaving the country Russian customs will also search you and take all paper Russian money as well so it doesn't leave the country.

[SkinnyPupp]

Russians found something they're good at! SeemsGood

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh_M4YPWYAER9Yv.jpg

[threezero]

It's also very difficult to get money out of Russia. I've posted before about our friend who's lived in Moscow the last 10 years, left after the war started. His wife is still there waiting on Canadian Visa to get out, he still works remotely teaching english but he's paid by a Russian company to a Russian bank account, his wife can access the account he cannot use the funds here in Canada. He can't just change which account the funds are deposited to, they don't want that money leaving the Country.

https://laslobit.cc/

[Manic!]

https://laslobit.cc/

Are you sure that is legit?

[threezero]

Are you sure that is legit?

Never sure with crypto. Especially when an exchange is operated out of a region that it isn't technically supposed to be in.

For what its worth I found this exchange while monitoring the FTX disaster. This particular absurd Russian exchange were use to get money off the exchange

Don't send the motherload ofc. Test the water little by little. For someone with money stuck inside a regime. There isn't much to lose.

[pastarocket]

This article is a good read. Ukraine's drone hunters. They use thermal sensors and their assault rifles to shoot down the Russian drones that Iran supplies. Old school style kills of drones is being used now since the American supplied air defence systems against drones are not all in place in Ukraine yet.

From the article: Why waste the use of multimillion dollar jet fighters to destroy 20 grand drones when you can have a team of drone hunters with machine guns driving in pickup trucks? :gun:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/28/ukraine-drone-hunters-mykolaiv-russia/

[whitev70r]

^ can't read, you need to be a subscriber to washington post to access article. But I think I got the gist from your 2 sentence write up.

Is that why some people are buying drones on CyberMonday from LD in the other thread? :lol

[Hondaracer]

So this is an interesting little tidbit I heard from a tour guide yesterday, kind of surprised it was never a bigger deal than it is but the tour guide also said he heard rumours Roman was actively paying out the ass to bury this story as much as possible:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60724509.amp

TLDR;

- it usually takes between 2-5 years to get Portuguese citizenship (ironically my wife just got hers and even being on top of everything from start to finish it was just over 2 years)

- Portugal passed a law in the last few years descendants of Jews who were exiled from Portugal under the dictatorship could apply for residency

- when Russia began to fall apart Roman Abramovich applied under this new law

- Roman Abramovich was granted a Portuguese passport in just over 2 weeks

What makes it a bigger deal is kind of what I said in a previous post above. The Portuguese passport is one of the strongest in the world. If he was only a Russian citizen he’d basically be handcuffed both personally and business wise. Now that he not only holds an EU passport, but a Portuguese one specifically, he has opened up infinite opportunities for himself. Obviously illegitimately

[whitev70r]

Zelensky ...Time Man of the Year. Saw it coming.

[quasi]

Zelensky ...Time Man of the Year. Saw it coming.

It's an interesting list, Gandhi, Hitler, Stalin a few times, Rososevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bezos, Zucckerberg, Musk, Obama, Trump, Biden and a bunch of other US presidents.

[Presto]

^ can't read, you need to be a subscriber to washington post to access article. But I think I got the gist from your 2 sentence write up.

Is that why some people are buying drones on CyberMonday from LD in the other thread? :lol

Edge has a built-in reading mode that by-passes most paywalls. Press F9 or the book icon in the location bar to activate. I think there are plug-ins for other browsers.

[quasi]

I had some family members arrive from the Lviv Ukraine last week, a family of 5 no surprise they are going to Sask. which is heavily Ukrainian and where my family originally settled when they came here. It was a bit of an ordeal to get everything in place paperwork wise for my family members that took it on props to them.

They had a program where free flights were available however they were very difficult to get so my extended family put money together to get them here. They have found a house for them in a little town about an hour east of Regina. They will have some costs covered for the first three months by the Ukrainian Crisis Committee, I believe they have some jobs leads for the dad.

My aunt met them at the airport they speak very little english, the kids are 9, 14 and 17 and have had their life obviously disrupted, I remember moving how hard it was moving to another province at 14 I couldn't imagine how bad it would be going to another Country with nothing and not speaking the language.

Hopefully they can pickup english quickly and build a life here.

https://i.ibb.co/wrDrCLr/IMG-20221213-120929.jpg (https://ibb.co/6J6JbZJ)

https://i.ibb.co/sjjY6j6/IMG-20221213-120934.jpg (https://ibb.co/0qqbFqF)

[Traum]

Good luck to your family members, Quasi, and may they find a stable and fulfilling life in Regina. ��

[Badhobz]

they'll be canadian in no time. bless canada for taking in these good people

[whitev70r]

Oh shit ... talk of China supplying Russia with weapons and ammo.

[Badhobz]

why cuz ze americans shot down a stupid balloon? these idiots are acting like a bunch of petulant children.

[JDMDreams]

The balloon isn't even from China, it's from some hobby balloon club in the states, usa just over reacted and tried to smear it on China

[whitev70r]

One of the 4 balloons were confirmed to be made in China. The others ... ??

There are also lots of surveillance trained pidgeons that China has sent this way. As well as trained surveillance Snow Geese ... that's why 10-15 of them were ran over in Richmond.

[MG1]

Oh shit ... talk of China supplying Russia with weapons and ammo.

that might be a good thing.............

weapons made in chinar

using chinesium


As for birds in richmond............. china spying on their own people. It's all good.

:troll:


damn....... haven't used that smilie in a long time.

[Badhobz]

FUCK THOSE THINGS! they ruined all the parks in richmond. cant walk anywhere without stepping in their god damn shit. lousy ass BBQ birds. if i was more chinamen-ish, id chase them down with a clever and cook them.

[Manic!]

If China enters the war and starts WW3 is Canada locking up Asians in internment camps again?

[Badhobz]

ill see you in Nanaimo Manic! im pretty sure they'll deport our asses to the island or some inland location.

[donk.]

If China enters the war and starts WW3 is Canada locking up Asians in internment camps again?

It would be ww4

Ww3 has been ongoing for a a few decades, Iraq, Syria, Darfur, Congo, etc

[whitev70r]

ill see you in Nanaimo Manic! im pretty sure they'll deport our asses to the island or some inland location.

If WWIII really happened, I don't know whether I prefer to be vaporized in a major city or die a slow apocalyptic (think many movies) death living in rural places like the Island. I think I'll stay right here.

[Manic!]

If WWIII really happened, I don't know whether I prefer to be vaporized in a major city or die a slow apocalyptic (think many movies) death living in rural places like the Island. I think I'll stay right here.

How is the Island rural? FailFish

[whitev70r]

^ sorry to disappoint you but I don't think Nanaimo is on the list of cities to get the gift of a nuke.

Urban and rural is a matter of degree ...

[MG1]

If China enters the war and starts WW3 is Canada locking up Asians in internment camps again?

There wouldn't be enough space. Let alone enough RCMP to round them up.


So many mainlanders in support of CCP living here.............. just RS alone.


Oh my god.................... I'm never gonna make it out of hell.

[MG1]

^ sorry to disappoint you but I don't think Nanaimo is on the list of cities to get the gift of a nuke.

Urban and rural is a matter of degree ...

Close enough to Esquimalt. Like Seattle close to Bremerton.



Plus, chinese nukes................. not all that accurate, gulolol

[Manic!]

^ sorry to disappoint you but I don't think Nanaimo is on the list of cities to get the gift of a nuke.

Urban and rural is a matter of degree ...

We have a joint US/Canadian navel base in Nanoose. It's used for torpedo testing. Have seen subs and military ships go by my house.

[Badhobz]

Don’t nuke me bro ! I got places I wanna drive my ratrolla to (Zion national park, more Oregon coast, Grand Canyon, etc)

[hud 91gt]

We have a joint US/Canadian navel base in Nanoose. It's used for torpedo testing. Have seen subs and military ships go by my house.

Wait… Nanoose…. Does your gas station have delicious apple fritters?

[Manic!]

Wait… Nanoose…. Does your gas station have delicious apple fritters?

Nope.

[68style]

Does it have not delicious apple fritters?

[Badhobz]

Have Delicious Not Fritters of Apples?

[spoon.ek9]

Fritters of delicious apples have you not?

[murd0c]

So in actual Russia news, Putin pulled back the remaining nuke pact Russia had with the US today. Who knows if this actually means anything.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/21/europe/putin-russia-new-start-nuclear-pact-intl/index.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin said he is suspending his country’s participation in the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty with the United States, imperiling the last remaining pact that regulates the world’s two largest nuclear arsenals.

Putin made the declaration in his much-delayed annual state of the nation address to Russia’s National Assembly on Tuesday.

The treaty puts limits on the number of deployed intercontinental-range nuclear weapons that both the US and Russia can have. It was last extended in early 2021 for five years, meaning the two sides would soon need to begin negotiating on another arms control agreement.

Under the key nuclear arms control treaty, both the United States and Russia are permitted to conduct inspections of each other’s weapons sites, though inspections had been halted since 2020 due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

While Russia is not withdrawing from the pact completely, it appears to be formalizing its current position. For months, US officials have been frustrated over Russia’s lack of co-operation with the agreement.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called Putin’s decision “deeply unfortunate and irresponsible.”

Blinken said President Joe Biden’s administration remains ready to talk about the nuclear arms treaty “at any time with Russia, irrespective of anything else going on in the world.”

“We’ll be watching carefully to see what Russia actually does, we’ll of course make sure that in any event that we are posturing appropriately for the security of our own country and that of our allies,” said Blinken. “I think it matters that we continue to act responsibly in this area … it’s also something the rest of the world expect of us.”

According to US officials, Russia had already refused on numerous occasions to allow inspections of its nuclear facilities. “Russia is not complying with its obligation under the New START Treaty to facilitate inspection activities on its territory,” a US State Department spokesperson said in January.

“Russia’s refusal to facilitate inspection activities prevents the United States from exercising important rights under the treaty and threatens the viability of US-Russian nuclear arms control,” the spokesperson said.

A session of the Bilateral Consultative Commission on the treaty was slated to meet in Egypt in late November but was abruptly called off. The US has blamed Russia for this postponement, with a State Department spokesperson saying the decision was made “unilaterally” by Russia.

The latest development announced by Putin “puts (the) treaty on life support,” Hans Kristensen, the Director of the Nuclear Information Project, wrote on Twitter, questioning whether Russia will now stop exchanging data with US counterparts.

Putin’s nuclear saber rattling during the war has alarmed the US and its allies, though officials have repeatedly dismissed the moves as empty threats.

[JDMDreams]

Well the US did stir the pot with Joe buddens suprise visit, what did you expect Russia to do, roll out the red carpet?

[MG1]

Does it have not delicious apple fritters?

Have Delicious Not Fritters of Apples?

Fritters of delicious apples have you not?

Is this a new type of poetry?

Kind of like Haiku, but not.

Apples not fritters are delicious have I.

All your bases are belong to us.


Here's one............

Man, so many members on revscene from china.


WTF? This is the russia ukraine war thread. I thought it was the no need to start a new thread, thread.

[underscore]

For a minute there I thought TicTac was back.

[ilovebacon]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-n-word-viral-video-1782781

go to 0:06 mark of the video lol, god I missed laughing at Trump.

"Donald Trump said that "nuclear" is one of two n-words in the English language which shouldn't "ever be mentioned,"

[MG1]

The other word being, never.

As in never gonna, "Make America Stupid, Again."

[mikemhg]

Do people actually truly fear nuclear arms being used in the modern age?

I've always laughed when we'd get the few year mark of the media freaking out about North Korea or Iran's nuclear capabilities.

There is a reason why nuclear weapons haven't been used since 1945 (and at that against a weak enemy without any nuclear arms themselves). The idea of MAD is as true as its ever been, you will likely never see a country use nuclear weapons against another country with the same capabilities. We have been in far more tumultuous times in which they've never been utilized, so why today?

Real life isn't like movies -- Countries with nuclear capabilities like Russia or China have an entire apparatus that surrounds such access to those weapons, most leaders aren't some cartoon-like character that wishes to destroy themselves in the goal to stick it to The West.

What more likely we'll see, and currently are seeing are economic, social/political, technological war, and as someone else has said in real battle, proxy wars.

[murd0c]

I personally don't, there is too much at risk using nuclear arms in a war and not one single side good or bad wants to deploy them. It's just a good way to flex muscles to try to get their point across and to try to get what they want.

[Traum]

Well the US did stir the pot with Joe buddens suprise visit, what did you expect Russia to do, roll out the red carpet?
Is that how you see Biden's surprise visit to Kiev? Because I see Biden's visit as a very obvious signal to Putin that the US, at least under his administration, is not going to back away from supporting Ukraine in its war efforts. The intent is to present that as a deterrent to Russia to keep fighting. Of course, at least on the surface, it appears the re-commitment failed to change Putin's mind.

Do people actually truly fear nuclear arms being used in the modern age?

I've always laughed when we'd get the few year mark of the media freaking out about North Korea or Iran's nuclear capabilities.

There is a reason why nuclear weapons haven't been used since 1945 (and at that against a weak enemy without any nuclear arms themselves). The idea of MAD is as true as its ever been, you will likely never see a country use nuclear weapons against another country with the same capabilities. We have been in far more tumultuous times in which they've never been utilized, so why today?

Real life isn't like movies -- Countries with nuclear capabilities like Russia or China have an entire apparatus that surrounds such access to those weapons, most leaders aren't some cartoon-like character that wishes to destroy themselves in the goal to stick it to The West.

What more likely we'll see, and currently are seeing are economic, social/political, technological war, and as someone else has said in real battle, proxy wars.
While I agree that nuclear-capable countries are fully aware of MAD, I don't think we can count on national leaders always acting in a logical, sensible manner. In fact, I don't think we can even count on them having access to factual information to make those rational decisions. If that was the case, Putin should have realized a long time ago that he cannot win this war, and that he should have looked for a ceasefire when the tides started to turn.

It is the unpredictability among the likes of Putin, Kim, or Ali Khamenei that makes me worried. In that regard, at least Emperor Xi is easier to predict.

[whitev70r]

I see this heading to a real shitty situation where the West supports Ukraine, China (and others) support Russia. Western companies that manufacture military artillery will not want the war to stop as this is a bottomless well of government contracts. Then you will have nefarious bastards that just want to add fuel to the war to keep it going endlessly.

If it hasn't gotten to this point already.

[EvoFire]

I see China just testing waters with words and minor back channel efforts but never actually committing to anything officially. They've basically ridden the fence through the last year and I don't see that changing. They do still have to deal with their internal issues with covid first and real estate problems second. I don't see a proxy war winning them any favours with the public unless it's another way for the gov't to dump money into the economy to prop it up.

[unit]

Do people actually truly fear nuclear arms being used in the modern age?

I've always laughed when we'd get the few year mark of the media freaking out about North Korea or Iran's nuclear capabilities.

There is a reason why nuclear weapons haven't been used since 1945 (and at that against a weak enemy without any nuclear arms themselves). The idea of MAD is as true as its ever been, you will likely never see a country use nuclear weapons against another country with the same capabilities. We have been in far more tumultuous times in which they've never been utilized, so why today?

Real life isn't like movies -- Countries with nuclear capabilities like Russia or China have an entire apparatus that surrounds such access to those weapons, most leaders aren't some cartoon-like character that wishes to destroy themselves in the goal to stick it to The West.

What more likely we'll see, and currently are seeing are economic, social/political, technological war, and as someone else has said in real battle, proxy wars.

i think i mentioned this here before but cbc radio once had a guest on, or it might have been a segment from another radio show that was played on cbc radio that was a former high up in the US military. this was during the time where people were afraid that trump would launch nukes on a whim. the guy said that the system is not designed for checks and balances in the case that the president wants to launch nukes, it's designed for expediency. now i'm sure there are checks and balances in place in some regard, but it's still a scary thought.

[JDMDreams]

I did recall watching a documentary about the cold war and some US submarine almost launched a nuclear missile due to a communication error.

Also I do see this as a US distraction, as they got China balloons to worry about, debt ceilings, recessions. I see this as a way to suppress other countries, use Ukraine as an excuse to power grab and set up another base in that part of the world and fight with Russia not on US soil with no risk to us.

[Great68]

I did recall watching a documentary about the cold war and some US submarine almost launched a nuclear missile due to a communication error.

It was the other way around, a Russian submarine nearly launched a nuclear torpedo during the cuban missile crisis. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2022-10-03/soviet-submarines-nuclear-torpedoes-cuban-missile-crisis#:~:text=An%20incident%20occurred%20on%20one ,of%20the%20crisis%2C%20October%2027.

Also again in 1995, when the Russians mistook a Norwegian Weather Balloon for a nuke:

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-world-has-never-been-closer-to-nuclear-war-than-it-was-during-this-1995-event-2012-8

[HonestTea]

What about the Iran/Israel situation? Especially with Iran coming close to nuclear weapons.

[JDMDreams]

Isn't Iran busy beating women and students?:suspicious:

[westopher]

They'd prefer if the whole world was doing the same, and would be happy to persuade them via nukes.

[Badhobz]

Isn't Iran busy beating women and students?:suspicious:

What? How dare you! (Proceeds to beat women and students until morale improves). Wheres CIC and his anti Zionist blah blah blah

[mikemhg]

What about the Iran/Israel situation? Especially with Iran coming close to nuclear weapons.

I still don't believe Iran would be so crazy, once again we like to paint these people as cartoonish villains, when in fact they're not.

Iran's government knows full well that a nuclear weapon used against Israel equates to the entire country of Iran wiped completely off the map.

Even Saddam in his last days didn't resort to using banned chemical weapons against the US in both of their wars, even when meeting inevitable defeat (whether or not you believe they had such weapons in the Gulf or Iraq Wars).

I just don't see it happening. The same goes for Russia/China.

It's not even worth considering the subject as we'd all be dead and gone anyways, and if not, you wouldn't want to live in such a world thereafter. Our global economies and standard of living would essentially be nullified.

It reminds me of some of my friends that are doomsday preppers, always worried and awaiting the apocalypse. I always ask them, what's the point of planning for such shit, why would you want to live in a world like, you know half of those plans would go to crap if that ever happened anyways?

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/LotteLeicht1/status/1636749512592211969

Let's see if he shows up as schedules at the BRICS summit in South Africa in August, where he'd be arrested on sight if he went

[Traum]

I just couldn't stop bawling in the first 4 minutes... :tears:

https://youtu.be/FOr-LDan95Q

May God bless you, Marina.

[SkinnyPupp]

Counteroffensive has begun... Russia are spread so thin they need to decide whether to stay on offense while continuing to barely make any progress, or reinforce their cities near the border.

NATO countries are saying the don't support it, but it's not their call to make.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1664510885249908736

[Traum]

I feel like Ukraine is playing a dangerous game here by having these attacks in Russia proper. While it is true that the attacking groups all claim to be Russians, there is no denying that they are obviously receiving Ukrainian support one way or another. (The Ukrainian gov even admitted to sharing intel with these groups.)

[Manic!]

I feel like Ukraine is playing a dangerous game here by having these attacks in Russia proper. While it is true that the attacking groups all claim to be Russians, there is no denying that they are obviously receiving Ukrainian support one way or another. (The Ukrainian gov even admitted to sharing intel with these groups.)

The average Russian has not seen the real cost of war. When they start seeing cities in Russia being attacked they will. Putin will then lose support.

[68style]

I was sitting here thinking about this too... and I feel like they have no other alternative?

I mean, if you just beat Russia back out of Ukraine... what does Russia do? They just sit there mending themselves and collecting more troops and weapons and then they come back across the border again.

They literally have no choice but to take it to some border towns and try to affect Russia politically. It sounds like they're being very careful about evacuating civilians where they can, which is definitely not something Russia was doing... but I feel like politically Russia has left them no choice.

[SkinnyPupp]

Claims of Russia attacking their own allied forces (the private military contractor Wagner).

wtf is even going on?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx6l693XwAASpR4.jpg

[JD¹³]

Claims of Russia attacking their own allied forces (the private military contractor Wagner).

wtf is even going on?
Mutiny.

The uncensored version of this video is longer and not pretty. There are rows of men torn apart, and it's from a single day in Bakhmut.

https://youtu.be/R8emk6cpFcE?t=34

[SkinnyPupp]

Sounds like Putin's shot at the next soviet union could backfire to the point it splits Russia into states

[whitev70r]

Good ... let Russia implode and Putin dragged through the Red Square with hands and feet tie like a dog.

[Infiniti]

Prighozin for President! :P

[Great68]

Lol Prighozin looks and speaks like my oldest uncle who suffered a childhood brain inury during WW2 occupied poland.

[Traum]

Prighozin for President! :P
He is definitely doing "stuff" to position himself into some sort of political leadership position in Russia. It is not obvious how far he wants to take his ambitions to, but I'm sure he is vying for something beyond his current capacity as the Wagner Group boss.

[westopher]

I think the only person who would be worse than putin is the guy who runs some guerilla military assassin group lol.

[Mr.Money]

There's probably still hordes of Russian men ready for the meat grinder right now. no training needed...long as you got hands to fire.


saw one of them break on the battle field...injuried and let a grenade off by his head after pulling the pin.... Same with an Rifle to under his chin with nobody on the rescue.



Every Comment on these war videos are "Well you would've being safe if you stayed home"


:fullofwin:

[whitev70r]

I prefer that guy who was drugged and is imprisoned in Russia right now, I think Hollywood made a doc about him and won an award.

[Traum]

Alexei Navalny? He is dying a slow death in prison right now because of intentional neglect. Even if he were to get released now, his health is probably already too damaged to do anything at all.

I don't understand why he insisted on returning to Russia after recovering from being treated for a poison attack in German. I'm sure he knew at the time that what's happening now is a likely outcome of him returning to Russia, but he still did it anyway. That's a whole other level of guts, determination, and will.

[Badhobz]

What the fuck is putins end game here ? Just taking over the southern regions doesn’t seem like it’s worth all the death / global ostracism. It doesn’t really add any security for Russia from NATO. If anything it’s pushing more countries into natos arms.

This guys a fucking idiot. He needs to go.

[Traum]

What the fuck is putins end game here ? Just taking over the southern regions doesn’t seem like it’s worth all the death / global ostracism. It doesn’t really add any security for Russia from NATO. If anything it’s pushing more countries into natos arms.
That's exactly the problem for Putin -- he doesn't have any viable end games anymore.

In his original plans, this "special military operation" was only supposed to last a few weeks, and then it'll be done. But after 1+ year of war, he has no meaningful result to show -- Bakhmut has no strategic value anymore because it is basically just a pile of rubble now. They have not really gained any meaningful territories from the war, and without any sort of "gains", Putin can't justify to anyone -- including himself -- how the war can be stopped since they have poured in and wasted all these resources over the past 1+ year.

He obviously doesn't care about the loss of lives for his own Russian citizens, and if there are protests, the protesters get arrested and thrown into jail (or worse).

And so the fighting drags on.

[Badhobz]

So now what ? Wagner seems to be rebelling too. I got a feeling this will all end with Putin getting a bullet in the head and the whole Russia unraveling into a civil war and strong men fighting for power.

[Traum]

If we look back into recent-ish history, there are many different ways these dictator bad guys can die:

- Saddam Hussein was caught and sentenced to death
- Milošević was caught / extradited to UN, but died before the trial concluded
- Gaddafi got caught by rebel fighters and gang-beat to death
- Kim Jong Il died from a heart attack while he was still in power in DPRK
- Hitler committed suicide
- Mao died a slow and painful death due to multiple ailments over a long-ish period

So who knows how things will end for Putin on a personal level? In theory, he can remain cooped up in Kremlin forever until his death due to natural causes, or he can get his brains blown out like you said by some unexpected person.

[murd0c]

Hitler didn't kill himself...

[MarkyMark]

Hitler didn't kill himself...

9/11 was an inside job, and the moon landing was a hoax?

[SkinnyPupp]

What there's fucken Hitler truthers now?

[westopher]

Jesus fuckin Christ.

[mikemhg]

He didn't kill himself you idiots.

He's in Argentina right now running the world's oil companies, and the coming of the New World Order.

[pastarocket]

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-23-23/index.html

Security has been stepped up around Moscow and in the city of Rostov near southeast Ukraine, state media reported.

Things get really interesting now.

I think that Putin and his family are legimately scared about what Wagner can do to him.

-probably calling leaders in African countries or the Syrian government to take him in as a guest.

His escape plan.


Opinion piece:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/opinions/putin-russian-war-bloggers-communication-galeotti/index.html


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[SkinnyPupp]

Live report here at BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142), which also recaps how they got to where they are now.

TLDR: Wagner chief with 50K troops hates the rest of Russia's military, who he recently accused of firing a rocket strike too close to them, killing many of their troops. He said they're leaving Ukraine to go back to Russia to rid the military of evil.

He's also been saying Putin's reason for invading Ukraine was based on a lie. Apparently some Russian TV channels have been hacked to put out his statements.

And now here we are.

Neither video has been confirmed, but here are the latest:

Edit: Wagner claiming the first video is real, that they shot down the helicopter after it opened fire on their "civilians"

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672409680193224705

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672407566301659138

The coup might finally happen

Here we go I guess

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672415064484184064

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672414708970954753

[SkinnyPupp]

Lukashenko maybe retreating Belarus while he can? Double coup?

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672354862191788036

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672425632633085954

[SkinnyPupp]

In they go

This is surreal

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672427667365216260

[SkinnyPupp]

Moscow is that way ^

https://i.imgur.com/dfqNWb0.png

By taking Rostov, Wagner can essentially end Russia's war on Ukraine. They can pretty much completely shut down the supply route to the areas where Russia has control.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672432993258930176

[SkinnyPupp]

This might happen very fast actually, if this ends up being true

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672439008629231617

[SkinnyPupp]

More unconfirmed

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672442517252603904

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if it's us funded. In Soviet Russia Ukraine invades you

[haha13]

This is insane

[SkinnyPupp]

I wonder if it's us funded. In Soviet Russia Ukraine invades you
It's Russia funded lol.. They fucked up so bad with the invasion that they had to rely on mercenaries to do all the fighting. Prigozhin got sick of it, and just turned on them, and is flat out saying the war was not justified in the first place.

I'm sure this guy isn't a "good guy" but unlike Putin he seems to actually have Russian's citizens well being on his mind. But he says he will go back to the front lines once he takes care of the MOD lol

[whitev70r]

Good ... finally. I hope Prigozhin crushes Putin's ballz.

So who is Ovechkin going to side with now?

[SkinnyPupp]

Waiting for someone to tweet it, but Wagner allegedly put out a video of Prigozhin at the MOD building they entered a few hours ago (in one of the videos I posted earlier)

Edit: here it is. He is apparently meeting with the Deputy Defense Minister right there. That would explain why there's no fighting

https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1672462157127008262

:ahwow:

He's saying he wants Gerasimov and Shoigu, and until they meet him he is going to continue the blockade of Rostov, and head to Moscow

Gerasimov of the MOD who he is going after, reportedly fled the building before they arrived, and is hiding somewhere in the city

ALL this is unconfirmed, keep in mind

[EvoFire]

That took a turn. I'm not sure for better or for worse, but almost as surprising as the invasion itself.

[SkinnyPupp]

Putin about to speak now; it will take about 5-10 mins to get a reliable translation.. Standby!

[SkinnyPupp]

Putin: This is equivalent to armed mutiny. Russia will defend itself. We are fighting for the life and security of our citizens, and our territorial integrity.

Everything must be done to put this to rest. It is an attempt of subversion. It is treason. This is a stab in the back of our troops in Russia.

Will wait for a full translation for the rest; He is going on and on talking about how mad he is, and how Prigozhin will be brought to justice.. If there was any hope Prigozhin would have Putin's support, forget it.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1672501872538558464

[SkinnyPupp]

So it's officially a coup attempt I guess. Not possible with 25K troops, but with reports of MoD soldiers switching sides, if that is legit and continues, the entire military might turn on Putin.

Or at the very least, they become so consumed with fighting on their own land, Ukraine can make significant advancements in taking back their territory.

[SkinnyPupp]

UK MOD recap

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1672505632325238784

[SkinnyPupp]

They're halfway to Moscow already... It won't take long to find out which way this will go - will the Russian military fight them, or switch sides?

https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/status/1672513870169092097

[EvoFire]

^ When RS gives better summaries than CNN

[SkinnyPupp]

^ When RS gives better summaries than CNN
I checked CNN and they were talking about the fucking sub still. Jesus christ

Anyway, fight footage is starting to come out, so it looks like the Russian air force at least is fighting them. Wagner shot down a plane in the Voronezh region, waiting for someone to tweet it. There's a video of a plane going down taken from a Russian's back yard. Insane

Edit here it is, holy SHIT

https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1672526540075147264

[SkinnyPupp]

Unbelievable

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1672528072300453888

[SkinnyPupp]

Apparently Telegram is down in Russia, so news has stopped... I guess I can go on with my life for now LUL

[SkinnyPupp]

Unconfirmed

https://twitter.com/maks_nafo_fella/status/1672539033371541507

[SkinnyPupp]

:ahwow:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672497411460046848

[whitev70r]

It's a game of chess ... reports saying that Wagner group will stop the march to Moscow to avoid bloodshed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1672662131135717377

[westopher]

Rebel militia group cares more about civilians than the sitting government. What a world.

[underscore]

We are fighting for the life and security of our citizens, and our territorial integrity.

Wow it must be super annoying to have someone come into your country like that.

[EvoFire]

Prigozhin probably won't live to see the end of the year, I think he would have been better off going through with the whole thing and going out with a bang. Putin is not known to hold true his word and he's way too paranoid to let Prigozhin live. Nor does Prigozhin have anywhere to hide at this point as he'd be crucified in a western country.

[Badhobz]

i read his name and pronounce it like perogies

He's got a potato head to match too.

[whitev70r]

That's too bad, was hoping to watch Putin shit his pants with the uprising. But then if Prigozhin did succeed, wonder if there'd be a worst monster in control of Russian nukes. What a friggin warped world we live in!

[SkinnyPupp]

Just woke up and the fucker is giving up, and not being charged? wtf LUL

Even experts don't know what to say

He's moving to Belarus, and Russia says anyone in Wagner can join their military to avoid being charged with treason

[Alpine]

Lol

[Badhobz]

What kinda weak ass shit is this. He’s gonna get a bullet in Belarus anyways.

[EvoFire]

What kinda weak ass shit is this. He’s gonna get a bullet in Belarus anyways.

Given Russia's track record, I would bet you he gets poisoned.

[EvoFire]

Reading the latest updates, that was a huge dud.... I was just getting popcorn ready too.

[whitev70r]

Prigozhin guy have been a hero ... even if he died on the sword. Would have went down in history for standing up to Putin. I sense that a lot of the avg Russian citizens doesn't agree with the Ukraine invasion. Would have shaken things up, I think.

[pastarocket]

From CNN:

One video, geolocated and verified by CNN, showed crowds cheering as Prigozhin’s vehicle departed Rostov-on-Don. The vehicle stopped when one individual approached and shook Prigozhin’s hand.

“Why are average Russians on the street cheering people who just tried to carry out a coup?” Dougherty said. “That means that maybe they support them or they like them. Whatever it is, it’s really bad news for Putin.”

I agree with Jill Dougherty, CNN’s former Moscow bureau chief.

The average Russian has a different view of Putin now. He looks weak.

If Mr. Potato Head Prigozhin can challenge Putin with his own Wagner mercenaries, some Russians will think a coup is possible.


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[EvoFire]

From CNN:

One video, geolocated and verified by CNN, showed crowds cheering as Prigozhin’s vehicle departed Rostov-on-Don. The vehicle stopped when one individual approached and shook Prigozhin’s hand.

“Why are average Russians on the street cheering people who just tried to carry out a coup?” Dougherty said. “That means that maybe they support them or they like them. Whatever it is, it’s really bad news for Putin.”

I agree with Jill Dougherty, CNN’s former Moscow bureau chief.

The average Russian has a different view of Putin now. He looks weak.

If Mr. Potato Head Prigozhin can challenge Putin with his own Wagner mercenaries, some Russians will think a coup is possible.


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With that in mind, some higher ups in China must be real scared right now.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am shocked at how quickly and peacefully it just... stopped. His issue was never against Putin himself though, it was the two generals. His idea was to replace them, and do a better job of invading Ukraine. But despite helicopters falling from the sky into peoples' backyards, out of nowhere someone told him to go home and he was like :okay:

We saw citizens cheering him on and supporting him, so yeah, it's not good for Putin. If someone overthrows him, they'll likely have public support. But it will have to be done covertly, not with troops marching on the Kremlin. Military had their chance to turn on him, and they didn't.

[Manic!]

He is a mercenary for hire. i have a feeling money/supply's may have been involved.

[SkinnyPupp]

He is a mercenary for hire. i have a feeling money/supply's may have been involved.
They took busses full of money from his HQ lol.. maybe they promised to give it back if he stopped.

[donk.]

Where's the Kickstarter for Putlers assassination

I'd pay big money to see him tortured for the rest of his life

[SkinnyPupp]

OK this explains it better. They had his (and other Wagner executives') families (https://news.yahoo.com/russian-agents-threat-family-made-204246993.html).

[Gumby]

The Wagner executives didn't think that their families would be targeted?

[pastarocket]

Western countries, heck, all countries of the world, are seeing the possibility of a Russian political collapse.

The biggest question that many political leaders could have on their minds is "Which Russian leader would have control of the world's largest nuclear weapons arsenal if Putin is no longer in power?"

[whitev70r]

Western countries, heck, all countries of the world, are seeing the possibility of a Russian political collapse.

The biggest question that many political leaders could have on their minds is "Which Russian leader would have control of the world's largest nuclear weapons arsenal if Putin is no longer in power?"

I have an idea, why doesn't the US and the West try to interfere with their 'elections'.

In other updates, Prigozhin walking things back ... where is Brutus when you need one?

[bcrdukes]

"Et tu, Brute?" :alone:

[SkinnyPupp]

The Wagner executives didn't think that their families would be targeted?
I don't think they had much choice when Prigozhin decided to march on Moscow LUL

[SkinnyPupp]

More on the aircraft Wagner shot down... Turns out these are pretty important, and operate far enough out of range that it's impossible for Ukraine to do it themselves at this time. Thanks Priggy!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzxLb6yXsAAXuEw.jpg

Waiting for some updated battle maps, as Ukraine has made some advancements, and also took out a bridge connecting Crimea, which will slow down Russia for a few extra days.

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's yesterday's battlefield map. The bridge connects Crimea (southern region in red, annexed in 2014) with southern Ukraine. May update this post later if it's different

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzszPOyXgAIyCMQ.jpg

[pastarocket]

Meanwhile, Putin has a luxury train to travel across the country in order to evade detection. This train is not on any Russian train travel schedules. Of course, no radar to detect his choo choo train movements:


https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/10/europe/russia-putin-private-train-intl-cmd/index.html

[whitev70r]

Should drop a cluster bomb on that ...

[Traum]

Should drop a cluster bomb on that ...
I've always wondered -- if NATO or Ukraine receives seemingly reliable info on the whereabouts of where Putin might be -- would they carry out a pinpoint assassination operation to take him out?

[whitev70r]

^ strangely enough, there is a clause in the Hague, Geneva convention that makes assassination or targeted killing of a leader prohibited. Which I don't understand, I mean, I thought, all is fair in love and war.

So even with Osama Bin Laden, the law is to capture him alive, they had to demonstrate that he was trying to fight back in order to have justification to shoot/kill him.

Don't quote me on this.

[Great68]

Uh no. That's how WW3 with nukes starts.

[Great68]

^ strangely enough, there is a clause in the Hague, Geneva convention that makes assassination or targeted killing of a leader prohibited. Which I don't understand, I mean, I thought, all is fair in love and war.

So even with Osama Bin Laden, the law is to capture him alive, they had to demonstrate that he was trying to fight back in order to have justification to shoot/kill him.

Don't quote me on this.

Osama bin Laden was not a leader of any country, so none of that would have applied to him.

[westopher]

What about saddam? Seems like a better example.

[Acura604]

When Putin loses Crimea -


https://youtu.be/74BzSTQCl_c

[Great68]

What about saddam? Seems like a better example.

He was already deposed by the time he was captured, it was the "iraqi special tribunal" that tried and put him to death.

Also of course the major difference between carrying out assasinations in countries like Iraq, Iran, etc, and say Russia, is that Russia has nuclear ICBM's. Those countries do not.

[Manic!]

But Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

[donk.]

An a 300 ton 747 airplane took down a 500,000 ton building

[Manic!]

An a 300 ton 747 airplane took down a 500,000 ton building

Funded buy the guys who now own the PGA.

[westopher]

PGAs biggest competitor, but the sentiment is definitely correct.

[punkwax]

PGA and LIV have merged.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/golf/pga-liv-merger-continues-troubling-trend-of-buying-silence-via-sports/sn-amp/

On the eve of the Canadian tournament, the PGA and European Tours announced an agreement to unify with the year-old LIV circuit, which is backed by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund (PIF). The deal effectively merges the three tours into a collective partnership, with the PGA Tour controlling the board that handles the actual golf, and the Fund bringing the capital as the sole investor in the new entity — a distinction that includes “first refusal on any capital that may be invested in the new entity.”

PGA handles golf decisions, PIF has to agree to financial decisions. Sooo essentially, the latter is the boss.

[westopher]

Holy fuck that's pretty gross.

[blkgsr]

rich white man gets richer.....what a farce lol

[68style]

??? Saudi Arabia is white people?

[westopher]

rich white man gets richer.....what a farce lol

Wat

[bcrdukes]

Will be soon be seeing ARAMCO sponsoring PGA tournaments?

[Manic!]

The Saudi's are not doing this to make a ton of money. They are doing to look better on the world stage. White people like Greg Norman who is the CEO of liv are going to make a killing.

[68style]

Maybe, but he's just a puppet / face of legitimacy / celebrity spokesman basically

[Traum]

The Saudi's are not doing this to make a ton of money. They are doing to look better on the world stage. White people like Greg Norman who is the CEO of liv are going to make a killing.
I hate the fact that Saudi is sportswashing, but I am guilty of buying into similar schemes by FIFA and IOC as well.

[blkgsr]

??? Saudi Arabia is white people?

no the pga executives...Jesus though that was pretty obvious but guess not

[westopher]

Yeah I'm sure the saudis don't stand to gain here lol.

[68style]

no the pga executives...Jesus though that was pretty obvious but guess not

No it doesn't make sense nor is it obvious actually... because the PGA has lost significant power and control over its own entity

[Manic!]

Yeah I'm sure the saudis don't stand to gain here lol.

They have lots to gain but money is not the main reason.

I kind of want to make an ad.

From the people who helped fund 911 and dismembered a reporter brings you the new and improved PGA.

[JDMDreams]

^^ well I mean we could also be shot callers, have good living standards for it's citizens and throw around money, but here we are, with the highest gas prices, no doctors, worrying about spy balloons, and still trying to decide if we should build a new tunnel to Delta.

[68style]

Which citizens have good living standards in Saudi Arabia? Oh... what's that? Only the rich ones? Nay, only the rich MALE ones?

Yah. Okay. Definitely something to aspire to.

[blkgsr]

No it doesn't make sense nor is it obvious actually... because the PGA has lost significant power and control over its own entity

you think the guys in charge pga currently care about the "power" anymore? you don't think they all took a massive payout/share stake in the new PGA that's going to pad their pockets?

you really just think they have nothing to benefit from this and are "just losing power"

ya sure ok

[68style]

I'm sure they did, but I do think they care... all these institutions are about maintaining a status quo for decades and generational wealth.

The Saudis just came and shoved a big fat dick into all of it for them and they're trying to manage it as best they can, they never expected someone richer than them to come along and fuck with them. They're in full out saving whatever they can from this and leveraging the only thing they have left -- their name brand and image.

[Traum]

^^ well I mean we could also be shot callers, have good living standards for it's citizens and throw around money, but here we are, with the highest gas prices, no doctors, worrying about spy balloons, and still trying to decide if we should build a new tunnel to Delta.
I thought Badhobz is the only one here who has to worry about spy balloons? :pokerface:

The Saudis just came and shoved a big fat dick into all of it for them and they're trying to manage it as best they can, they never expected someone richer than them to come along and fuck with them. They're in full out saving whatever they can from this and leveraging the only thing they have left -- their name brand and image.
While I agree about the part where the PGA management was trying to salvage whatever they have left at best they can, is the name brand and image really still something they had salvaged?

By being openly hostile towards LIV at first, only to cave now and merge with them, I would have expected most of the general public to think of them as greedy bastard cowards selling out their own name and brand image to dirty oil money. So there ain't much image they can save, and the PGA brand is now tarnished.

But hey, at least they still got a big fat pay cheque cut out to them!

[68style]

I’d like to think that but I think the general public doesn’t pay attention hard enough to notice really… sadly…

[SkinnyPupp]

Speaking of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, here's another one sent away

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1Dh8D7X0AE8X93.jpg

[blkgsr]

i'm surprised it's taken this long

[Mikoyan]

i'm surprised it's taken this long

Getting disappeared along with your family by the FSB and/or the GRU tends to keep people in line for a while.

[Mikoyan]

Wagner Groups CEO plane crashed. "Accident," Putin will say right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/moscow-plane-crash-yevgeny-prigozhin-1.6945096

[pastarocket]

Putin took out Prigozhin, aka Mr. Potato Head??

[whitev70r]

Woe ... that didn't take long. Damn ... he was one of the few hopes of destabilizing Putin.

[Traum]

Until his death can be confirmed, I wouldn't consider him dead just yet...

[EvoFire]

You can't make this shit up.....

Putin just couldn't wait. I figured Prigozhin wouldn't live past the end of the year, I didn't expect him to not make it through summer.

[Presto]

Until his death can be confirmed, I wouldn't consider him dead just yet...

I agree. Prigozhin has enough money that he can set up this fake death. It was in his best interest to vanish himself before Putin could do it to him.

[mikemhg]

Whether he's dead or not, it was pretty much guaranteed he was going to "disappear" in some way or another.

9 other people were apparently on the plane, I think he's dead as dirt.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Lol, he ain't dead.

[Badhobz]

You can't make this shit up.....

Putin just couldn't wait. I figured Prigozhin wouldn't live past the end of the year, I didn't expect him to not make it through summer.

I didn’t expect him to make it out of Belarus. This is wayyyy too long already

[highfive]

In a few years, they're going to make a movie out of this.

[Badhobz]

Wha? Why ? The man who couldn’t do jack shit ? The man who limp dicked when he could have marched on Putin and stopped this idiot ?

The man who probably got tortured so bad and so unrecognizable that they claimed he died in a plane accident ?

Fuck this guy. At least go down swinging.

[punkwax]

Lol.. hobz.. you are not more hardcore than Prigozhin.

Appreciate the chuckle though :lol

[Badhobz]

Im for sure not, but he should have went all the way. This last minute stoppage because he fears for the safety of fellow Russians is so weak sauce.

They probably tortured this fucker for weeks if not months. Can’t imagine the shit this dude probably went through before they officially claimed that he died in a “plane crash”

[mikemhg]

His body has apparently been identified (missing a finger) along with some of the other Wagner leaders that died on the plane with him.

[snowball]

Im for sure not, but he should have went all the way. This last minute stoppage because he fears for the safety of fellow Russians is so weak sauce.

They probably tortured this fucker for weeks if not months. Can’t imagine the shit this dude probably went through before they officially claimed that he died in a “plane crash”

Dunno why he turned around, he was a dead man anyway, might as well have kept going.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Putin probably threatened to kill his family.

[unit]

you'd think he would have already known that putin would do that though right? i think anyone that works with putin should be well aware that in the event that you become his enemy nothing is off limits.

[whitev70r]

I know hey ... if he kept the protest all the way to Moscow ... he might have died a martyr. But now, he's a dot ... nothing ... in the history of Russia.

[MG1]

Lol.. hobz.. you are not more hardcore than Prigozhin.

Appreciate the chuckle though :lol

Butt, butt, he's from Van Tech..............

[SkinnyPupp]

I know hey ... if he kept the protest all the way to Moscow ... he might have died a martyr. But now, he's a dot ... nothing ... in the history of Russia.
I think the choice was be a martyr and have his family and family's family tortured including kids being tortured for decades, or just surrender himself covertly.

[MarkyMark]

None of that makes sense, if you're going to try and do what he attempted how the hell are you not expecting Putin to threaten to fuck with your family?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Who knows. He could've moved his family to somewhere he thought they would be safe and then Putin may have disclosed their location. It's all speculation, but it had to be worth it to bail so there aren't that many logical possibilities.

[68style]

Why any sane human being would go anywhere in a a plane or car or even have a coffee with this dude after what transpired is beyond me.

[SkinnyPupp]

Boom

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Cy6pzXsAA7Yti.jpg

[EvoFire]

Lots of downplaying from Russia's side in terms of damage, but multiple reports have said it's more than just a little damage.

Do we know if Ukraine actually meant to target the dry docks? Or was it just collateral damage?

[SkinnyPupp]

Lots of downplaying from Russia's side in terms of damage, but multiple reports have said it's more than just a little damage.

Do we know if Ukraine actually meant to target the dry docks? Or was it just collateral damage?
We don't "know" it as in they don't come out and confirm stuff like this, but yes this was 99% an intentional targeted attack. Hit the boats while they are in dry dock and defenses are low

[whitev70r]

I'm terribly sad and upset about this war, shocked that it is still going on and lasted this long. I sincerely wish it would end.

But the longer it lasts, the more I feel there are nefarious forces trying to keep it going from the Western side as so much money is poured into artillery, missiles, tanks, bombs, and machinery is constantly sent to Ukraine. Somebody or some people from the West is profiting greatly from this and it would be to these people's advantage that the war goes on longer.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm terribly sad and upset about this war, shocked that it is still going on and lasted this long. I sincerely wish it would end.

But the longer it lasts, the more I feel there are nefarious forces trying to keep it going from the Western side as so much money is poured into artillery, missiles, tanks, bombs, and machinery is constantly sent to Ukraine. Somebody or some people from the West is profiting greatly from this and it would be to these people's advantage that the war goes on longer.
What could the Western side do to not "keep it going"? You think they have the ability to end the war, but are choosing not to?