[EvoFire]

^ It's never going to be black and white, but if nothing is done, the signal is letting the world know that it's ok to invade your neighbours, kill a bunch of people, and take over their land. The concept of "what is the correct" thing to do is all over the spectrum, and you might think it's nbd because it's so far away from you, however for countries in the Europe, especially the Balkan states, Poland, etc, they're next if they allow Ukraine to fall. Putin has already iterated that they should be falling under his influence of power and has no qualms about invading and flexing that power.

None of the countries will or want to get involved directly because no one wants to start a 3rd world war, not even Putin and China, but proxy wars have been ranging all over the place in the last decade.

What if your neighbours two houses over tried to take over your neighbour's house, tried to kill the owner and the kids? How would you feel? You'd expect the police to get involved, but there's no credible police force in the world, and all there is are other neighbours to stop the aggressive one. It's happening right next door, the fear that you are next is going to be there.

[EvoFire]

What could the Western side do to not "keep it going"? You think they have the ability to end the war, but are choosing not to?

I take his meaning as supplying weapons and prolonging the war instead of letting things run it's course.

[SkinnyPupp]

I take his meaning as supplying weapons and prolonging the war instead of letting things run it's course.
Oh he's saying they should just let Russia conquer Ukraine then? That makes sense

[whitev70r]

No no ... don't put words in my mouth or go off on your stupid Skinnydawg mindset, arguments, and ways. Gawd, you can be such a d*ck.

It's a very shitty situation. When I say 'some' ... I don't necessarily mean world leaders, like presidents or prime ministers, I mean those at high position of military war machine production. They can't do shit all to end it but I think they secretly want it to go on and on.

[EvoFire]

^Sorry I misinterpreted. But yeah some one is going to benefit some where

[SkinnyPupp]

No no ... don't put words in my mouth or go off on your stupid Skinnydawg mindset, arguments, and ways. Gawd, you can be such a d*ck.

It's a very shitty situation. When I say 'some' ... I don't necessarily mean world leaders, like presidents or prime ministers, I mean those at high position of military war machine production. They can't do shit all to end it but I think they secretly want it to go on and on.
Make your point then instead of resorting to personal attacks.

Also I'm not the one who came up with that interpretation, that was Evo. I agreed with him though, because you aren't being very clear on what you're trying to say.

So what are you saying exactly? "Some" people are keeping the war alive when really it could be ended? How?

Of course some people benefit from war. That has never and will never change. But you're suggesting there's a conspiracy from "nefarious forces" to keep it going. How is that?

[whitev70r]

^ nice bait try ... let's take it over to the NFL thread and talk about your shitty Ravens overpaid QB.

[SkinnyPupp]

Dude

[mikemhg]

LOL you two are hilarious. I wanna see a Revscene sponsored mud wrestling match between you both one of these days, I'd pay beaucoup bucks for it :lol

I get what White is saying, I think it's being slightly misinterpreted. At $100 billion thus far, it's a tidy sum going to the military industrial complex, money of which you certainly see people feeling quite unhappy about when meanwhile government can't seem to allocate a fart to other needed programs and projects internally.

At the same time $100 billion is a drop in the bucket to the US's overall fiscal budget, so people might be making a mountain out of a molehill on that.

[Badhobz]

theres no winning hand here for us. Either we dont stand up to tyranny and all this bullshit about alliances/freedom/western values are just a farce, or we do what we can to help without causing crazy old man Putin to start throwing nukes

In all honesty, i don't think just giving them weapons is doing that much. What they need to do is ASSASSINATE OLD MAN PUTIN. But that'll leave a huge power vacuum in Russia and maybe they cant guarantee the new leader will be pro-west.

Either way, this whole thing stinks.

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL you two are hilarious. I wanna see a Revscene sponsored mud wrestling match between you both one of these days, I'd pay beaucoup bucks for it :lol

I get what White is saying, I think it's being slightly misinterpreted. At $100 billion thus far, it's a tidy sum going to the military industrial complex, money of which you certainly see people feeling quite unhappy about when meanwhile government can't seem to allocate a fart to other needed programs and projects internally.

At the same time $100 billion is a drop in the bucket to the US's overall fiscal budget, so people might be making a mountain out of a molehill on that.
He's always so mean to me, I don't get it

And yes the military complex is loving there being a war. But who are these people who are keeping the war going, other than fucking Russia?

[68style]

I have no opinion on this side of things, but I will say there's definitely quite a few benefits for western countries in keeping Russia a) busy and b) economically strapped and Russia is falling for it hook, line and sinker

[MG1]

Edwin Starr's song, "War," should have the lyrics changed from.........

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, uhh

to

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Making lots of money, uhh

For those who have no idea..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQHUAJTZqF0

As for SkinnyPup and whitev70r, another "War" reference might help the situation...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmmjnEdtx8

[AzNightmare]

^ It's never going to be black and white, but if nothing is done, the signal is letting the world know that it's ok to invade your neighbours, kill a bunch of people, and take over their land. The concept of "what is the correct" thing to do is all over the spectrum, and you might think it's nbd because it's so far away from you, however for countries in the Europe, especially the Balkan states, Poland, etc, they're next if they allow Ukraine to fall. Putin has already iterated that they should be falling under his influence of power and has no qualms about invading and flexing that power.


I guess is that what NATO is for. At the very least, if any NATO country gets attacked, they get jumped by the rest of the other NATO countries? In theory anyway. But that's a strong deterrent.

[EvoFire]

Not every country is covered by NATO and it's only a small part of the world. NATO is only really covering Europe + US Canada, no one else is part of it, yet you see why Sweden and Finland were both scrambling to join after decades non-alignment.

[MG1]

LOL@ Sweden and Finlandia.............

No shits given until all of a sudden, they're worried.

Like that episode from Star Trek Voyager (stuck in some void where they can't escape alone). United we stand, divided we fall. Except in Canada. Those franchies can leave if they want to............ they're like the retarded brother in the family. Still, they're family, I guess. The rest of us put up with them, gulolololol.

[Great68]

Not every country is covered by NATO and it's only a small part of the world. NATO is only really covering Europe + US Canada, no one else is part of it, yet you see why Sweden and Finland were both scrambling to join after decades non-alignment.

The first and only time NATO has ever invoked article 5 was by the USA after 9/11.

The alliance is really only as good as a country's word, if Putin wants to take a slice of Lithuania and/or Poland (I imagine he has aspirations of a land corridor to Kaliningrad) are Ricky and Bobby in Alabama really going to give enough of a shit?

Hell, there's a pretty good chance that Trump would have pulled out of NATO altogether.

Better to make the stand now and diminish a fascist belligerent's ability to make more war and world instability in the first place. It's not even costing any NATO soldiers' lives. Extremely good value for money

[Manic!]

Cardboard flat pack drone that can carry a 3KG payload. Made in Australia used in Ukraine. Anyone good with RC stuff could probably DIY one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ckYz616rEc

[MG1]

https://canadianstampnews.com/stamp-out-war-artist-donation/?utm_source=All+Nations+weekly+auction&utm_campaign=0bb447cec3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_01_06_35_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b71997f677-0bb447cec3-167541241

Bump............... war still going on.

FYI, Canada Post has a semi postal stamp issue that is on that link. It was released some time ago. A semi postal is a way in which you can support a cause. Sometimes it's for mental health issues, sometimes it's for humanitarian aid. In any case, there's a surcharge involved of a few cents. Not sure how much it has raised, but every bit helps, right?

https://store.canadapost-postescanada.ca/store-boutique/en/414209111/p/help-for-ukraine-permanent-sup-tm-sup-domestic-rate-stamps-booklet-of-10-1-donation?rrec=true

[Traum]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gov-t-to-offer-3-year-visas-to-canadians-extended-family-in-gaza-starting-in-2024-1.6697076

Here we go again. Those Syrians worked out real fucking well last time. Let’s do more of this.
Where’s my batch of Ukrainian women ?!!!!
It's interesting Badhobz mentioned this because I think just last week, my kid's class has taken in a new (transfer) student from Ukraine. We ran into them on the way home, with the (Ukrainian) mom walking 2 kids home.

As a result of the new student, my kid has asked me a couple of questions about Ukraine / Russia:

Daddy, XXX says he hates Russia. Why does he think that?

Daddy, why is Putin so bad/nasty?

Daddy, why is Russia bullying Ukraine?

I told my kid to be extra friendly to the Ukrainian kid, and be his friend and play with him if that's what he (my kid) wants to do.

I hope those 2 kids can find some peace and a stable life while they are here.

[murd0c]

also you want your kids to make friends with them so you can get some incredible homemade Ukrainian food.

[mikemhg]

also you want your kids to make friends with them so you can get some incredible homemade Ukrainian food.

Boiled beets with cabbage?

[Great68]

Oh man, I'm hungry for some Borscht now.

[unit]

this is what i think about when i think abt eastern european food

https://tasteofpeace.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/dsc08051.jpg?w=2000&h=

[Great68]

Mmm, aspic/terrine? All depends on who makes it.

I love a good headcheese sandwich, nice heavy rye bread, grainy mustard, some thin sliced red onion.

Thank god it's lunchtime!

[CivicBlues]

Even as someone who likes their food on the spicier side, a plate of perogies and sour cream with a side grilled onions and a cup of borscht can really hit the spot especially on days like these.

Also, Herring, lard, rye and vodka. :thumbs:

[whitev70r]

^ your definition of 'spicier' is pretty weak.

Try a taste of this mf: Sichuan steamed fish with red hot chilli pepper

https://omnivorescookbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/201123_Shui-Zhu-Yu-Water-Boiled-Fish_2.jpg

[CivicBlues]

*sigh*, maybe I wasn't clear so read it again

I said I love spicy food and can eat whatever mala shit you can throw at me without blinking.

DESPITE that I can still appreciate "blander" food if it's tasty.

[murd0c]

Boiled beets with cabbage?

It's great comfort food!!

[mikemhg]

^ your definition of 'spicier' is pretty weak.

Try a taste of this mf: Sichuan steamed fish with red hot chilli pepper

https://omnivorescookbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/201123_Shui-Zhu-Yu-Water-Boiled-Fish_2.jpg

This picture just gave me diarrhea.

[Klondike]

This picture just gave me diarrhea.

https://i.imgur.com/k8vVncv.gif

[whitev70r]

As we pass the 2nd yr anniversary of this war, things are not looking like there is any end in sight. Can't keep on going forever, too much $$ down the pit, endless military support, people dying, Ukrainians displaced.

So here is my proposal to negotiate an end to the war:
- Russia keeps the geographical area that it capture from Ukraine, approx 18-20%.
- Ukraine gets to join NATO

Call it a day. Both win. Both lose.

Instead of saying this will never work, you so effin stupid, blah blah blah ... make another suggestion for a viable negotiated end to this war.

[Badhobz]

I don’t think They can concede defeat on either side. All those lives would be wasted on both sides and ultimately it’ll just be a temporary cease fire. It’ll flare up again just like how the initial take over of crimea resulted in this invasion.

[whitev70r]

^ that's why Ukraine gets membership into NATO ... it's a pretty secure backing. Next time Putin attacks Ukraine, it's WWIII ... you wanna play?

[CivicBlues]

lol Putin would never go along with Ukraine joining NATO, that's literally the reason why he started this shit.

[westopher]

As we pass the 2nd yr anniversary of this war, things are not looking like there is any end in sight. Can't keep on going forever, too much $$ down the pit, endless military support, people dying, Ukrainians displaced.

So here is my proposal to negotiate an end to the war:
- Russia keeps the geographical area that it capture from Ukraine, approx 18-20%.
- Ukraine gets to join NATO

Call it a day. Both win. Both lose.

Instead of saying this will never work, you so effin stupid, blah blah blah ... make another suggestion for a viable negotiated end to this war.
It sucks for sure, but better than the alternative.
I'm hiring at work and had an interview with a girl who was displaced by the war. A Ukrainian refugee. She was so thankful to be here, to have the opportunity for a job. I can't imagine how she feels when people here are fucking crying about sending them money to try to prevent her family from being killed, complaining about accepting refugees and whatever else like they have skin in the game.
It's fucking gross.

[Traum]

lol Putin would never go along with Ukraine joining NATO, that's literally the reason why he started this shit.
Further to that point, if I were Putin, I would actually have good reason to believe that Russia is going to win the long game. So what if it is a meat grinder now? It isn't like Putin cares about how many Russian soldiers die in the war?

At the end of the day, I think Russia has ~10x the population of Ukraine. So if it is a matter of throwing enough dead bodies to win the war, Russia is the more likely side to win through that. Russia has also shifted its economy to support the war, and they are able to buy weapons from the likes of Iran, N.Korea, and China, so they are not going to run out of weapons any time soon. They are also circumventing a good number of sanctions -- buying stuff through middle man countries, selling oil to Bulgaria, India, and at least one other European country whose name has slipped my mind. So to Putin, they are doing just fine.

[Great68]

Russia just banned gasoline exports for 6 months.. totally a sign of a healthy economy

[whitev70r]

Further to that point, if I were Putin, I would actually have good reason to believe that Russia is going to win the long game. So what if it is a meat grinder now? It isn't like Putin cares about how many Russian soldiers die in the war?


If that is what you foresee ... then it's even more important for Ukraine and the West to negotiate an end now. Cut your losses and rebuild Ukraine with 80% of the geographical land that you still have.

Russia can't possibly want an economy based on a war with Ukraine for the next 10 yrs with protests and underlying civil unrest.

[JDMDreams]

^^ I don't think there's 80% land left, cuz I recall watching something that basically a lot of the land is unusable due to mines. Also where are they gonna get money from, Ukrainian economy has collapsed. I sure don't want my tax dollars rebuilding another country. According to the world corruption index, they are ranked 103 worse than Kazakhstan, Albania. They will just go around begging for money.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

[underscore]

The problem is there might not be a possible negotiable end to things. Even if you get Putin to go for it the odds of him actually honouring it are pretty slim. He might wait a while but then I suspect he'll start his moving fences in the night bullshit again.

[Traum]

If that is what you foresee ... then it's even more important for Ukraine and the West to negotiate an end now. Cut your losses and rebuild Ukraine with 80% of the geographical land that you still have.

This is what I'd expect based on the current reduced supply of weapons and ammunition the western world is supplying to Ukraine, and it is important to note that it doesn't have to be this way. The outlook could very easily change if NATO countries were to take up a different trajectory in terms of weapons / ammo supply. Ukrainian forces would definitely be doing much better if they are equipped properly to fight this war. But then we go back to the argument of how much NATO involvement can there be before Russia threatens to use their nukes again.

^^ I don't think there's 80% land left, cuz I recall watching something that basically a lot of the land is unusable due to mines. Also where are they gonna get money from, Ukrainian economy has collapsed. I sure don't want my tax dollars rebuilding another country. According to the world corruption index, they are ranked 103 worse than Kazakhstan, Albania. They will just go around begging for money.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023
The corruption clean up is a mandatory requirement for getting accepted into NATO. Until Ukraine can gets its corruption levels down to an acceptably low level, NATO will not grant them membership.

[EvoFire]

With Trump/Biden and Putin some of the oldest leaders, I'm wondering what would happen if one of them croaks while in power in the next 4 years.

[pastarocket]

Hmmm. :considered:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/europe/russia-belgorod-border-ukraine-attack-intl/index.html


Pro-Ukrainian groups of Russian fighters claimed to have launched cross-border attacks in two regions of Russia on Tuesday, hours after Kyiv fired a wave of drones at targets across the country.

The Freedom for Russia Legion – a group of Russian dissidents fighting for Ukraine which has previously claimed responsibility for incursions into Russia – said it had gained full control of the village of Tyotkino in Russia’s Kursk region. CNN cannot independently verify the claims.

The group, comprising a few hundred battle-hardened, anti-Kremlin Russian volunteers fighting as part of Ukraine’s armed forces, also said it had destroyed an armored personnel carrier inside Russia.

A separate pro-Ukrainian group of Russian fighters, the Siberian Battalion, wrote Tuesday on Telegram: “Well, we’re home at last. As promised, we are bringing freedom and justice to our Russian land.”

A third group, the Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK), also claimed to be involved in the fight.

[Traum]

So I saw this scene at Boundary and Kingsway on Saturday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqQS8C5w68

It is pretty obvious to me that one of the flags is the Russian flag. As to the red flag, my initial reaction was that it was the red CCP flag. But it wasn't until I got home when a friend mentioned that it might well be the USSR flag, and logically speaking, that'd make a lot more sense.

Regardless of whether it is the CCP or USSR flag, it disgusts me to no end that these idiots are abusing our Canadian freedoms to spew their nonsense and stupidity. If they fxxking support Russia so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join the Russian army to really support the country they love and endorse so much.

[EvoFire]

Bunch of pickup trucks... Are those the same idiots as the freedumb guys?

[JDMDreams]

If they fxxking support Palestine so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join Hamas to really support the country they love and endorse so much. Same same:pokerface:

[Traum]

If they fxxking support Palestine so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join Hamas to really support the country they love and endorse so much. Same same:pokerface:
I'd say that's a little different, because in the Russia-Ukraine case, Russia is the oppressor. But in the Israel-Hamas/Palestine case, while Hamas was without a doubt the instigator in this most recent conflict, Israel has easily been the one playing the oppressor role for at least the last 15 - 20 years, esp in the past 7+ months.

[westopher]

I'd say that's a little different, because in the Russia-Ukraine case, Russia is the oppressor. But in the Israel-Hamas/Palestine case, while Hamas was without a doubt the instigator in this most recent conflict, Israel has easily been the one playing the oppressor role for at least the last 15 - 20 years, esp in the past 7+ months.
Lol @ trying to use logic with JDMdreams.
If you were to comb through all 4000 of his posts you'd probably only find like 3 coherent thoughts.

[bcrdukes]

Lol @ trying to use logic with JDMdreams.
If you were to comb through all 4000 of his posts you'd probably only find like 3 coherent thoughts.

3? I think you're being very generous! :lol

[whitev70r]

So Biden reversed his initial decision, Ukraine is permitted to use US long range missiles to attack Russia. Biden must have said, 'Eff it', let Trump clean up the mess, he said he can end the war in 24 hrs ... let Ukraine bombed the hell out of Putin'.

[SkinnyPupp]

So Biden reversed his initial decision, Ukraine is permitted to use US long range missiles to attack Russia. Biden must have said, 'Eff it', let Trump clean up the mess, he said he can end the war in 24 hrs ... let Ukraine bombed the hell out of Putin'.
It's one exception for specific targets in Kursk that were otherwise not allowed due to the rules. Still ballistic missiles only, still not cruise missiles.

It's still a big change in policy, but it's not like they can just blast Russia non stop starting today

Here's a map showing the targets they could theoretically hit with these missiles, but again, only specific targets in Kursk are allowed with this change. (also as you can see, they can't reach Moscow)

https://i.redd.it/3zo30y1uen1e1.jpeg

[Traum]

Russia has been kind of expecting something like this for a while now, so anything that is really valuable enough to be protected would already have been moved out of range of the ATACMS.

[Dbone]

Storm Shadow/Scalp brings the pain. They are not just hitting Russia with ATACMS.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1gvqwsx/storm_shadow_strikes_in_russia/

Apparently this place had command bunkers. Fingers crossed they bagged some of the command staff. That was a lot of expensive ordinance.

View from the air:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1gvvbfj/ukrainian_storm_shadow_strikes_in_marino_kursk/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1gvvbfj/ukrainian_storm_shadow_strikes_in_marino_kursk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[SkinnyPupp]

UK giving them permission to launch cruise missiles into Russia. It seems they want to see if they can get things done before Trump comes in and hands the country over to Putin.

[Hondaracer]

Oh yea this is going to turn out swimmingly.

How long before cruise missles start flying into Russia that Russia just says fuck it and starts flatting cities in Ukraine?

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh yea this is going to turn out swimmingly.

How long before cruise missles start flying into Russia that Russia just says fuck it and starts flatting cities in Ukraine?
Hi, welcome to 2022

[JDMDreams]

Does anyone honestly care about Ukraine anymore? We broke and can't afford them. And the Ukrainian women who came already wants to go back home cuz we suck. I don't see no free Ukraine no more, barely any free Palestine women except a few unemployed people who protest on the willingdon bridge during work hours.

[Dbone]

I do.

We're not broke, and the West can easily win without breaking a sweat or losing a single life. Letting it go would cost us way way more in the long run.

[68style]

Does anyone honestly care about Ukraine anymore? We broke and can't afford them. And the Ukrainian women who came already wants to go back home cuz we suck. I don't see no free Ukraine no more, barely any free Palestine women except a few unemployed people who protest on the willingdon bridge during work hours.

Imagine living your life every single day based entirely on assumptions you make only from what you see directly around you and assuming that's all there is to it.

[JDMDreams]

Isn't that how Trump won?:lawl:

[Hondaracer]

People care when they see this thread pop up, that’s about it

[Traum]

Does anyone honestly care about Ukraine anymore? We broke and can't afford them. And the Ukrainian women who came already wants to go back home cuz we suck. I don't see no free Ukraine no more, barely any free Palestine women except a few unemployed people who protest on the willingdon bridge during work hours.
I continue to follow the developments, and I'd say everything seems to be up in flux with Ukraine atm.

Canada has never been a major player in the war outside of welcoming quite a lot Ukrainian refugees into the country.

Biden is making a last ditch effort to help Ukraine with the easing of the ATACMS restrictions, and the UK is following suit. On the other hand, Trump is a massive wildcard in how things will play out, and nobody knows how things will play out until things start playing out.

Germany, the biggest supporter to Ukraine after the US, is caught up in an internal mess right now. The coalition gov has been toppled, and the Chancellor made political move to contact Putin that seems to have largely backfired on him in Germany. The likely winners for the next coalition gov seem to be supportive of Ukraine, but again, the uncertainty is there until the dust settles, and there is no telling how far the next German gov would be willing to support Ukraine.

Within Canada, I feel like the Ukrainian refugees are having mixed feelings about their continual stay in Canada. It is not easy to live in Canada for a lot of reasons, esp when the cost of living is high. There is no question that some are very grateful to be here, and plan on continuing to stay, either for the short or the long term. On the other hand, some are finding it too difficult to stay here, or feel like they have been away from their home and family for too long.

Being in Vancouver, it is not that easy to get a feel for those Ukrainian sentiments bcos we don't have nearly as large a Ukrainian population as Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. But unsurprisingly, support in those provinces seem to remain strong.

[Badhobz]

Of course support should remain strong. Fuck Putin and fuck this pointless invasion. But honestly I got a feeling they will just concede the currently held Russian territory and turn it into crimea 2.0. This won’t be over even after the cease fire is signed but at least it’ll give both sides to recover a bit.

Russia is hurting internally from the war economy too. Peasants there aren’t very happy with their standard of living or seeing their boys die fighting basically their brother. The whole thing is horseshit.

[whitev70r]

Putin just upped the game with ICBM's ...

[JDMDreams]

Just a thought, we can follow the north Koreans, send the new immigrants and illegals to fight for Canada to show their loyalty, if they survive and win we fast track citizenship.


??? Profit solves or housing problem and we can make Ukraine great again. :considered:

[SkinnyPupp]

Just a thought, we can follow the north Koreans, send the new immigrants and illegals to fight for Canada to show their loyalty, if they survive and win we fast track citizenship.


??? Profit solves or housing problem and we can make Ukraine great again. :considered:
You are a clown

[JDMDreams]

Desperate times calls for desperate measures, they had like what 3 years to deal with this? Even within the first 6 months they said it was already impossible for them to win.

[Hondaracer]

Just a thought, we can follow the north Koreans, send the new immigrants and illegals to fight for Canada to show their loyalty, if they survive and win we fast track citizenship.


??? Profit solves or housing problem and we can make Ukraine great again. :considered:

That already happens with every wealthy western nation, private military contractors.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ukrainian refugees are women and children and seniors. And you want to send them back to fight in a war they were fleeing from? Are you actually insane?

[JDMDreams]

I'm talking more about the buddy guys at diploma mills or the Mexicans on tourist visas that works in construction

[blkgsr]

the Latinos that work in construction are a VALUED part of the work force.

all the fake school people can fuck off

[SkinnyPupp]

Assad overthrown (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/07/middleeast/syria-rebels-homs-damascus-assad-intl) in Syria

I post it here because an Assad loss is a Russia loss

[whitev70r]

^ I know that Assad was a terrible tyrant but I did some initial reading about the Syrian rebels who overthrew him and they are Islamist militants associated with Al-Quaeda! That country is effed. Is this the case of one tyrant being replaced with another?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/06/jolani-syria-hts/

[supafamous]

https://i.imgur.com/PoZyYCq.jpeg

[SkinnyPupp]

^ I know that Assad was a terrible tyrant but I did some initial reading about the Syrian rebels who overthrew him and they are Islamist militants associated with Al-Quaeda! That country is effed. Is this the case of one tyrant being replaced with another?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/06/jolani-syria-hts/
Definitely disagreeable with us politically lol

But I think they are probably more like what would be acceptable in that part of the world, compared to who Russia and Iran wanted there

[snowball]

^ I know that Assad was a terrible tyrant but I did some initial reading about the Syrian rebels who overthrew him and they are Islamist militants associated with Al-Quaeda! That country is effed. Is this the case of one tyrant being replaced with another?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/06/jolani-syria-hts/

It's a cycle of the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[SkinnyPupp]

It's a cycle of the enemy of my enemy is my friend
Also he's a military leader, he did not take over the country nor was he "installed". They pushed the Syrian army out of the city and removed Assad. That's where we are now.

Now he leads one of I don't know how many groups who will want to take control (and I don't know who, if anyone, benefits the people rather than the West or Russia/Iran)

[Traum]

So it seems like Zelensky has agreed to work with Trump over some sort of rare earth minerals plan in exchange for US support. Previously, a leaked version of the initial US plans pretty much suggests US will become an overlord raping Ukraine for its mineral resources as well as having the first right to approve financial dealings and such. It is unclear whether those terms have been revised now that Zelensky has agreed to "work with the US".

Since nobody outside of the US and Ukraine top brass knows what those newly agreed upon terms are just yet, I am not going to speculate what they might be. Obviously I can make some guesses, but seeing how Zelensky has agreed to them now, the only thing I can do now is to wish them good luck.

[mikemhg]

Imperialism is still going strong in 2025 :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Trump threatened to pull support if EU doesn't do the same, forcing Ukraine to cede to Russa. He has given them 3 weeks

They're not about to do this, so get ready for the US leaving NATO

And then get ready for the US to become even more isolated from the rest of the world, putting them at the same level as China. A country others will begrudgingly will work with only if it benefits them.

And good luck beating China at that.

Get ready for RMB to be the de facto currency, replacing USD, and everything that goes with it.

[Mikoyan]

Guess Telus was playing the long (long) game by not pulling the rest of the 4G Huawei hardware out of the network.

[Harvey Specter]

Trump threatened to pull support if EU doesn't do the same, forcing Ukraine to cede to Russa. He has given them 3 weeks

They're not about to do this, so get ready for the US leaving NATO

And then get ready for the US to become even more isolated from the rest of the world, putting them at the same level as China. A country others will begrudgingly will work with only if it benefits them.

And good luck beating China at that.

Get ready for RMB to be the de facto currency, replacing USD, and everything that goes with it.

He also fears BRICS because China’s ultimate goal is to accelerate the de-dollarization process. I doubt Russia or even China will ditch BRICS, they know Trump’s time is limited, so they’ll play nice to extract as much as they can from him. Once he’s gone, they’ll resume their efforts to undermine US dominance.

[BIC_BAWS]

On Feb 14, Russia flew a kamikaze drone into the $2 billion New Safe Confinement (the sarcophagus enclosing the destroyed reactor) in Chornobyl. Why am I just seeing this on YouTube now and heard nothing about it in the news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW4BEqDS_wM

[Manic!]

Ukraine just did a massive drone attack on Russia. Took 18 months of planning. The used shipping containers that had drones hidden on the top. They shipping containers where sent to Russian bases. 40 plus Russian planes destroyed including one that cost over 230 million dollars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjvPM8THFc

https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d9ce3ab6-cead-44e0-a73f-97717096a941/Ukraine-drone-images-hd-bh-250601_1748791281631_hpMain.jpeg

[Great68]

Skynet is coming...

[EvoFire]

That is honestly an amazingly coordinated attack. I'm surprised how they managed to smuggle that much material and personnel into Russia without them knowing. And to be able to get away as well.

[Dbone]

It is amazing. They even used Russian truckers so they didn't put any one at risk (at least in the final phase).

No all of them worked, I did see one container that was partially blown apart. Some guy ran into it to stop the drones from launching and I guess they had a booby trap in there because he very quickly exited in several different directions.

[whitev70r]

I mean kudos to the little guy fighting the big bully. But aren't they afraid of poking the Russian Putin Bear? What if they go all in and drop some BIG bombs in retaliation?

[Mikoyan]

I mean kudos to the little guy fighting the big bully. But aren't they afraid of poking the Russian Putin Bear? What if they go all in and drop some BIG bombs in retaliation?

Well kinda hard to do with 40% of your strategic bomber force destroyed...

[Dbone]

I don't see a scenario where actually dropping a nuke on Ukraine would give Russia an advantage. Everyone likes to use the threat of a nuke, but actually using one would probably make the situation worse for Russia.

[quasi]

I don't see a scenario where actually dropping a nuke on Ukraine would give Russia an advantage. Everyone likes to use the threat of a nuke, but actually using one would probably make the situation worse for Russia.

Totally agree, even the Taco couldn't spin that as a positive for Putin. I think if that happened you would expedite the end of the Ukrainian Russian war and speed up the start of WW3. It would probably be a short one and Putin would no longer be in power when it was over.

[Jason00S2000]

https://x.com/UtahFlatRanger/status/1930097603829739597

I have watched hundreds and hundreds of gruesome drone murders in war...

Modern war is nothing like the valor of a cavalry charge on horseback... it is instead dropping bombs to blow off the balls and asses of countless Russians and Ukrainians. There is one horrible video of a female soldier, no idea if Ukrainian or Russian, they had no weapon and were begging the drone not to kill her... the drone hits her and another drone flies up and films her twitching, mangled body as she bled out... so dark. I get nightmares from this shit, definitely don't recommend the watch... I had to switch to Gaza children masscres for awhile, now I'm currently suffering on 3 hours of sleep from the latest splattered infant videos.

[68style]

You could just not watch videos?

[Badhobz]

And why are you scared?! you too old and washed up just like the rest of us geriatrics to go fight in a war. Your little respawns however are most likely to be drafted by a schmuck our age to go die via drones.

[JDMDreams]

So Ukraine didn't really need USA support if they were able to pull this off while not thanking Trump

[CivicBlues]

Plot twist: The drones are all Chinese

[JDMDreams]

I've heard turkey or whatever they call themselves now were good a making drones and they give them to Ukraine.

[Badhobz]

Plot twist: The drones are all Chinese

Dji drones are best drones. Pewww pewwww !!!!!

[GLOW]

1st step towards fighting wars like in mech warrior or star craft terrans

[CivicBlues]

YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS

[whitev70r]

Damn ... Russian giving pay back for that sneaky Ukrainian drone attack on Russian planes a few weeks ago. Putin is bombing the hell out of Ukraine this past week with swarms of drones!

[whitev70r]

So ... summit tomorrow in Alaska. How does this end?

[JDMDreams]

Nothing Trump sells Ukraine to Russia, gets a cut ??? Profit

[Traum]

1) Orange Idiot agrees to "land swapping" where Russia will at least get to keep Donbas and Crimea, while returning some other occupied regions to Ukraine, in exchange for the tiny amount of Russia terrority that Ukraine has occupied.

2) Zelensky refuses to this phony "land swap" deal -- he doesn't actually have the power to accept any deals that give up Ukrainian land anyway since it's written in their Constitution.

3) Orange Idiot blames Zelensky for refusing to accept peace deal, and punishes Ukraine by withdrawing some (significant?) amount of military support.

4) Russia keeps on pounding Ukraine.

[bcrdukes]

4) Russia keeps on pounding Ukraine.
I see Russia took a page from 68style's playbook and had an opportunity to visit Pound Town. :toot:

[JDMDreams]

It's zelenskys fault cuz he's an actor that won't shut the fuck up. I'm sure they will just remove him. It's not like he has any cards left as trump says

[Jason00S2000]

It's zelenskys fault cuz he's an actor that won't shut the fuck up. I'm sure they will just remove him. It's not like he has any cards left as trump says

This "war" is fake as fuck.

Both sides are purging their unwanted men and old equipment.

Soooooooooo many people getting rich off this while the poor are slaughtered.

Zelensky is a fucking actor and when you read up on his rise to power, it is SO fucking stinky it makes me want to barf.

[Hondaracer]

Anyone else could be in office in the states, it wouldn’t matter. I said this at the very beginning of the war, this war doesn’t end without Ukraine ceding territory.

Zelensky is delusional if he thinks otherwise.

[Jason00S2000]

Someone post the NATO map from the 40's until today...

Who is the aggressive one?! :lol:lol:lol

It's all bullshit anyways. The entire war is a slaughter for profit and to purge the lower class men. How empty are Russian and Ukrainian prisons right now?

[68style]

Are you ready to go to the front lines soon? Since apparently we’re pushing low income men lol

[Jason00S2000]

Are you ready to go to the front lines soon? Since apparently we’re pushing low income men lol

I'm waiting to get paid the $2,000 USD in AI ads I just delivered in a couple days of work....

If I were able to get back to a steady 10k USD a month, would I be making more than 90% of dudes here again?

Chinese guy: Sells one house, gets 3+ million dollars liquid, wouldn't even bend over to pickup 10k if he dropped it!

[unit]

ah yes, flexing on people based on what you hope to have tomorrow, not what you have today.

[Jason00S2000]

ah yes, flexing on people based on what you hope to have tomorrow, not what you have today.

Who is flexing? I already did all the shit dudes like you wish you could have done in your 20's!

Now I'm old and enjoying my AI-powered income. Fuck 9-5 slavery!

Definitely appreciate not being in the Russia / Ukraine war getting my balls blown off by a tranny drone operator 500 kilometers away.

[Dbone]

NATO is invited into nations, it doesn't impose its will on them. Anyone who says otherwise clearly doesn't know shit from fuck. If people near Russia feel threatened by Russia they will join NATO. Russia doesn't like that because.. well they ARE a threat to that nation.

I agree with Traum. Putin and his cock holster will make some nonsense 'deal' that Ukraine and Europe can't accept, and then said cock holster will try to frame Zenensky as a bad actor and cut off supplies.

Then he will open some kind of crack in the window and say maybe if Ukraine does this and that he will start supplies again. Which he won't, but it might be enough to keep Europe from saying enough is enough.

We have a long way to go. Ukraine still just has to hang in there. Russia can't keep this up forever.

[Manic!]

Who is flexing? I already did all the shit dudes like you wish you could have done in your 20's!

Now I'm old and enjoying my AI-powered income. Fuck 9-5 slavery!

Definitely appreciate not being in the Russia / Ukraine war getting my balls blown off by a tranny drone operator 500 kilometers away.

And you will blow it again just like last time.

[Traum]

We have a long way to go. Ukraine still just has to hang in there. Russia can't keep this up forever.
An emerging problem is -- as the war drags on and wears on every aspect in life, opinions among Ukrainians (still living in Ukraine) are shifting towards a settlement with Russia to the point where there almost 70% of Ukrainians feel this way. Granted, wanting to have a negotiated end to the war is not the same as willing to settle for giving up land, but both sides are having difficulties in keeping the war going, and the advantage Putin has is, as a dictator, he doesn't need to give a rat's a$$ about what his people thinks. Ukraine doesn't really have the luxury of that.

[68style]

Trump said if him and Putin cum together for the press conference tomorrow it means they have a deal

If he’s flying solo it means Ukraine still getting pounded

[Gumby]

This is so stupid... imagine Jason00S2000 and Manic! were having a dispute, then badhobz comes in to tell Jason00S2000 what to do to resolve the conflict without consulting Manic!

badhobz: do as I say, or I will have the ports restrict the flow of porn!

[Jason00S2000]

And you will blow it again just like last time.

And I'll have the biggest smile the entire time. FeelsGoodMan

[bcrdukes]

This is so stupid... imagine Jason00S2000 and Manic! were having a dispute, then badhobz comes in to tell Jason00S2000 what to do to resolve the conflict without consulting Manic!

badhobz: do as I say, or I will have the ports restrict the flow of porn!

You just predicted WW3. :moderatorban:

[JDMDreams]

^^ beggars can't be choosers.

[Jason00S2000]

^^ beggars can't be choosers.

Pfft... that's 20th century nonsense. Tons of crackheads get to choose where they live, what they eat for lunch, what drugs they're offered, free booze if you're an alcoholic, free classes if you want to do yoga, paint, draw, etc etc etc etc etc. They can get FAT PAID by the system if they get in with any of the multitude of agencies and "non-profits" working in the DTES and elsewhere. Clearly you are a rich Chinese and have no idea how the system works. I bet you're not even street smart enough to buy a spitball if it could save your life.

[68style]

lol now he says it’s easy to get rich as a crackhead :lol :lol :lol

Buddy your brain is broke

[bcrdukes]

Jason00S2000 - You're gonna have to come up with something funny soon before I update my signature!

[JDMDreams]

And also like since the beginning of the war, all the analyst were like there's no way they can win. So there's no point of dragging this on, more people dying. Europe ain't a charity either, if they were so worried about it they would have thrown money at it. Obviously USA doesn't have nor want to throw anymore money at it.

[Badhobz]

This is so stupid... imagine Jason00S2000 and Manic! were having a dispute, then badhobz comes in to tell Jason00S2000 what to do to resolve the conflict without consulting Manic!

badhobz: do as I say, or I will have the ports restrict the flow of porn!

What the fuck!!! I don’t wanna be that orange idiot even in your scenario…..

o wait he porked a lot of blondes…. He says insane shit…. He loves gaudy ass gold…. Fuck he’s the white guy version of me !!!! Argh I hate myself :rukidding:

[JDMDreams]

He also grabs them by the pussy :notbad:

[Jason00S2000]

lol now he says it’s easy to get rich as a crackhead :lol :lol :lol

Buddy your brain is broke

Money isn't real.

Cash is just a physical manifestation of human faith.

Money isn't something you can measure outside of human belief systems. You can measure money's effect on things, but money itself, is just faith.

Being "rich" as a crackhead is something so far out of your comprehension. Have you ever walked with a crackhead artist like Ken Foster and watched him live the dream with $100 you just gave him for 2 paintings and watched him as the king of the hood?

A crackhead in Canada is so rich beyond the comprehension of a western "settler" 100 years ago. A crackhead has access to everything they need in life and more, it is just contained in such a gulag to eliminate them that it is similar to a rat trap. Oh, says the rat, look, a delicious piece of cheese, just sitting there, in the open, for me! Wow this is easy, said the rat.

Clearly you'll just dismiss me as a narcissistic maniac becuase I interpret the system we're all living in differently than you. But, I can say from someone who went through being homeless as a teenager, to someone making 10-20k a month in his 20's and most of his 30's, to broke after quitting porn, to now soon going to be making prolly 10k+ a month again in the next 6-12 months...

Money isn't real.
Value is produced by the way you live your life.
You either produce value in the Kingdom of God, or value in the Kingdom of Man.

If you had spent time with any crackheads, you'd immediately know how spiritually bereft those people are, and, generally, that's why everything else in a crackhead's life is fucked.

[68style]

He just thinks he’s living a dream because the opioids have that effect on his brain chemistry numb nuts. He didn’t have some fuckin spiritual awakening or reach a new level of consciousness, he’s just high as a fugg and living in a distorted reality.

I call you a narcissist because you keep thinking you know how absolutely everything works, it’s all so simple yet you can’t figure it out, how frustrating… and nothing is ever your fault, it’s all the system man! THE SYSTEM. Much easier to blame and armchair criticize a faceless mechanism than look in a mirror I guess.

[Badhobz]

*yells in dragon ball z voice *

Jewish sppppaaaaaaaacccceeeeeee LLLLLAAAAAAAZZZZEEERRRRRR !!!!!!!! Attttttaaaccccckkkkkkkkk!!!!!!

[mikemhg]

I think Jason is a prime candidate to come to one of these RS Meets, he's pretty much becoming the most anticipated guest.

I still can't tell if he's a real person, AI, some kind of psyop, or just trolling hard as fuck for fun.

It's like him and VLAD are the same person, but playing different online personas.

[westopher]

Nah I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. As much as some of Jason’s opinions are bullshit, I think he’d probably be an interesting guy and probably decent beyond the culture war stuff.
V3tard is just a clown that has absolutely nothing to add to any conversation about anything. Would just blend into the background and be completely irrelevant while everyone would just tune them out.

[Dbone]

An emerging problem is -- as the war drags on and wears on every aspect in life, opinions among Ukrainians (still living in Ukraine) are shifting towards a settlement with Russia to the point where there almost 70% of Ukrainians feel this way. Granted, wanting to have a negotiated end to the war is not the same as willing to settle for giving up land, but both sides are having difficulties in keeping the war going, and the advantage Putin has is, as a dictator, he doesn't need to give a rat's a$$ about what his people thinks. Ukraine doesn't really have the luxury of that.

Sure. That's natural. Maybe they have to give something up, but I think they won't agree if it compromises them defensively, or if it means giving up any medium sized city or larger and this is exactly what Russia demands.

So as usual, I hope I'm wrong, but this isn't ending Friday.

[Badhobz]

Nah I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. As much as some of Jason’s opinions are bullshit, I think he’d probably be an interesting guy and probably decent beyond the culture war stuff.
V3tard is just a clown that has absolutely nothing to add to any conversation about anything. Would just blend into the background and be completely irrelevant while everyone would just tune them out.

That’s how you know she’s a woman. I fucking don’t hear half the shit these cunts say nowadays.

[JDMDreams]

Only 11c in Anchorage right now, wonder what's gonna happen Trump not saying thank you? Who's gonna try to kill who. Meeting is at 11:30

[Jason00S2000]

living in a distorted reality.


What do you think we're all living in?

Probably the least distorted reality would be living like an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon or on Sentinal Island.

https://i.ibb.co/k21R6kzB/uncontacted-tribe.jpg

Us being there smartphone and computer-using fat old men we are, everything we see and experience about the world is seen through a glowing rectangle. Then, even when we travel around and visit places, our reality is seen through the lens of class, because most of us are insulated from the poor and middle class experiences of life. How many RS'ers are busting their asses HARD to survive in 2025? Probably none of us.

[GS8]

I think Jason is a prime candidate to come to one of these RS Meets, he's pretty much becoming the most anticipated guest.

I still can't tell if he's a real person, AI, some kind of psyop, or just trolling hard as fuck for fun.

It's like him and VLAD are the same person, but playing different online personas.

Maybe 68 and Jason are the same person :suspicious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk

[bcrdukes]

Maybe 68 and Jason are the same person :suspicious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk

68style
Great68
Jason00S2000

All the same person? Yes. Believable. :lawl:

[unit]

white guys, 40s, car years in usernames...

sus

[6793026]

Only 11c in Anchorage right now, wonder what's gonna happen Trump not saying thank you? Who's gonna try to kill who. Meeting is at 11:30

I can't wait to see what happens.

No next meeting. No details. No agreements. Just said "better understanding". Dude got played.

Now today comes along, Zelenskyy has a meeting to discuss what was talked about along with tons of company from europe (eg/ German Chancellor Friedrich Merz). Now Trump has an audience, has to deliver something.. let's see what can be done...

[whitev70r]

I don't know, we got a couple of options, pick your poison:
1. Stay the course, try deeper sanctions, supply Ukraine with billions more of weapons, and see thousands of soldiers die, go for another year or two, hope you outlast Russia.
2. Negotiate ... get long-term security deal, Ukraine give up some land, both countries move on and both lose (both win, depending on how you look at it).

Cuz I don't see Russia putting their tail between their legs and saying, 'OK, you win, we stop, here is all the areas we took back, and we won't attack you ever again, feel free to join NATO'.

I mean, tell me a 3rd option?

[Badhobz]

The only real solution is military intervention. Although im sure nobody is willing to go this far to save Ukraine.

Eventually Ukraine is gonna get bled out by the WAY bigger Russian population and manpower. One way or the other, that idiot is gonna win. Its just how many more lives he'll destroy before he does.

The west is too weak and internally divided to put troops on the ground. They dont have the stomach for war and im sure the EU military kids will lose their minds if they are sent to that battlefront. Instead of watching tiktok videos, they need to face an onslaught of drones and shells. They'll most likely livestream their own death.

If this was the 60's or 70's nukes would have been thrown already.

[JDMDreams]

There will be no military intervention. It's ww3 if they do and no one is willing or has $ to foot the bill for a foreign country. Not very popular when everyone is literally pissed with illegal migrants. No one has Jew money to throw around. And this is gonna cost way more than Gaza.

Cost = return doesn't make sense, Ukraine will never recover from this financially, so they won't be able to pay back shit. And no one wants to hold the bag for this.

This is literally like offering free drugs to the hobos on Hastings it's a never ending black hole. You can't keep funding this.

[6793026]

No one will send troops over and Trump can't go bombing so it'll just stay motionless for another few years.

Ukraine can only ask for donations for so long, so I wonder how many more billions they will actually get - from cheap ass countries like us. Even Germany will run out of moeny to give for another 3 years?

Is it actualyl a war, are they realyl bombing? Or at they just buying 200k of drones and sending bombs and call it a day. Hoenstly, I don't know and we never see any of these news anymore on what's going on.

[JDMDreams]

Been awfully quiet, peace in Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, everyone is holding hands and eating donairs

[EvoFire]

No western country has the appetite for boots on the ground. I think the only countries that would do it are Poland, Slovakia, Lithuania, and Estonia. The reason they would do it is because they are next in line, but they also have to contend with the fact that Belarus, Kaliningrad, and the Russian border is right there and they have to be careful with how much they draw down.

There's no limit to Europe's desire to keep sending equipment, I don't think anyone is under any kind of pretense that Ukraine will be paying back anything. Russia barely paid back the US for the lend lease agreement for WW2, Germany wasn't required to pay back anything for losing, Ukraine will be given a pass. Russia will fight with sticks and stones if they have to so expect this to continue to get dragged out. Ukraine will pay back the west with it's expertise with drone warfare and be a major manufacturing hub for it.

As much as we all think Trump is in bed with Putin and sucking his dick, Putin is making Trump look bad and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump does something drastic and out of left field. His whole term so far has been drastic and out of left field.

[EvoFire]

Been awfully quiet, peace in Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, everyone is holding hands and eating donairs

The Arabs don't all get along. No one will say it, but Hamas FAFO by poking the bear.

Iran can barely keep itself running with fears of unrest.

Lebanon overall to me seems pretty moderate, it's the Houthis that were really causing trouble but the gov't couldn't really be bothered to deal with them. Now that Israel crushed the Houthis I feel like the Lebanon gov't probably wants to thank them but can't.

Syria still trying to put itself back together.

Same with Iraq.

Let's be real for a sec, the majority of Arabs aren't extremists. They just want to live on with their lives like us. Do a day's work, go to their evening prayers, go home, eat a peaceful dinner with the fam, go to sleep.

[supafamous]

There's no limit to Europe's desire to keep sending equipment, I don't think anyone is under any kind of pretense that Ukraine will be paying back anything. Russia barely paid back the US for the lend lease agreement for WW2, Germany wasn't required to pay back anything for losing, Ukraine will be given a pass. Russia will fight with sticks and stones if they have to so expect this to continue to get dragged out. Ukraine will pay back the west with it's expertise with drone warfare and be a major manufacturing hub for it.

It's basically a proxy war - the EU (and it's supposed to be the US) want to ensure that Russia doesn't have outsize influence in the world but they can't confront Russia directly so Ukraine is how they bleed Russia to death.

I've been very surprised that Russia's economy hasn't tanked but the WSJ has been looking into it - basically the war machine is keeping the economy afloat but there are limits to this. The EU (and the US) really can bleed Russia dry - it's just a matter of how bad Ukraine fares in the process.

WSJ report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VDxUqjAWLU

[JDMDreams]

I think it's more of a proxy for us to keep Europe poor, euro can't compete and replace USD, have reasons against Russia, China, India to keep them behind us

[EvoFire]

It's basically a proxy war - the EU (and it's supposed to be the US) want to ensure that Russia doesn't have outsize influence in the world but they can't confront Russia directly so Ukraine is how they bleed Russia to death.

I've been very surprised that Russia's economy hasn't tanked but the WSJ has been looking into it - basically the war machine is keeping the economy afloat but there are limits to this. The EU (and the US) really can bleed Russia dry - it's just a matter of how bad Ukraine fares in the process.

WSJ report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VDxUqjAWLU

The countries that doesn't have interests elsewhere and only has Russia as an opponent really should be going all in on this. Whatever draw down of Russian capability means less chance of having to get involved themselves.

Think Sweden, Norway, Spain, Italy, Greece where Russia is realistically their biggest and likely only opponent.

US has the Pacific to keep themselves busy, UK and France has projection considerations as well.

I think it's more of a proxy for us to keep Europe poor, euro can't compete and replace USD, have reasons against Russia, China, India to keep them behind us

Us as in US. It's a very immature mindset and a very good descriptor of how Trump does things. There's not "we all win" type scenario in his head, you have to lose something therefore it means he wins.

It's the reason why he's a terrible businessman. The west is built on a we all win together kind of mindset and he's breaking that. It's also a paradigm that's advertised a lot in the workspace. Sharing knowledge and specialties increases team productivity. Holding on to your domain knowledge and not letting other's on means you become a single point of failure when shit hits the fan and the team won't be able to deliver. Of course you need a good leader to preach that kind of mindset and behaviour, and Trump is the leader, and a pretty terrible one.

[JDMDreams]

Another nothing burger, just a bunch of guys flying around to support. Two meetings just to agree on a threesome? Zelensky says there will be election after the war is over, just as I called it, just a way to remove him and throw someone else in.

[6793026]

I've been very surprised that Russia's economy hasn't tanked but the WSJ has been looking into it - basically the war machine is keeping the economy afloat but there are limits to this. The EU (and the US) really can bleed Russia dry - it's just a matter of how bad Ukraine fares in the process.

i would have thought north korea woudl have tanked, russia as well esp how big it is yet I guess "tanking" can be many diff forms.

[whitev70r]

So far, in all the press release & short clips, they have talked about 'iron clad' security guarantees (similar to article 5 of NATO) but I haven't anything heard about ceding territories from the Ukraine, EU, US side. Does that mean Zlensky has moved from that demand.

[Traum]

i would have thought north korea woudl have tanked, russia as well esp how big it is yet I guess "tanking" can be many diff forms.
With the way modern society works, it seems to me that in authoritarian govs, dissent mostly gets clipped at its buds because authorities just have so many ways to constantly monitor people and keep everyone in line.

And then should the dissatisfaction actually manage to get big, the level of force available to the 2 sides -- authorities and protesters -- are so disproportionate that protesters practically have no chance to succeed.

The only exception to this seems to be Mexican / Latin American / South American drug cartels where they can manage to have similar levels of firepower as the authorities. But they aren't really interested in overthrowing the gov.

So at best, these countries will just die a very slow death. Their economies continue to weaken and the fundamentals are all screwed up, but then the gov does stuff to prop things up here and there to keep the house of cards from collasping.

[bcrdukes]

The only exception to this seems to be Mexican / Latin American / South American drug cartels where they can manage to have similar levels of firepower as the authorities. But they aren't really interested in overthrowing the gov.

I think it's worth noting that corruption is prevalent in these cultures and societies in all shapes or forms. Despite any efforts or crackdowns, it will take a long time for any kind of material change to see or* determine whether there is a positive improvement or if things regress in these parts of the world.

Everyone has a price.

[JDMDreams]

I also think it's a big distraction regarding Trump's, usas internal issues. Ice, Epstein, Diddy, tariffs. Like does it really matter who owns a few thousand km of dirt on the other side of the world. How is your life affected because of this. Are you gonna be magically hobz rich when they cease fire? Are you finally gonna get a Ukrainian women now? How about some Gaza ones.

[westopher]

I’m married to a Ukrainian. I’d kinda like to see less people getting killed in wars all over the world. It makes things better.
But I do agree with you, trump isn’t doing this because he’s kind. He’s doing it for ego and self preservation.

[JDMDreams]

He just wants that noble peace prize

[unit]

he just wants to take credit for something that biden couldn't do, even if it means ukraine has to concede territory.

[Gumby]

100% doing it for ego.

Not self preservation because he's Teflon Don.

[VRYALT3R3D]

I’m married to a Ukrainian. I’d kinda like to see less people getting killed in wars all over the world. It makes things better.
But I do agree with you, trump isn’t doing this because he’s kind. He’s doing it for ego and self preservation.

You know what Trump, Zelenskyy, Macron, and Starmer have in common? They are all at the negotiating table.

You know who is missing? Our PM, Carney.

The US gov't invited UK, France, Germany, Italy, Finland, NATO, and EU. Carney wasn't even invited because Canada isn't even wanted, despite being a top contributor to aid to Ukraine. What does that say about Canada's reputation about peacekeeping?

[68style]

Carney is in your dreams and thoughts 24/7, this “gotcha” is a real stretch for anyone and a stupid take for super obvious reasons. Put down the pipe.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Carney is in your dreams and thoughts 24/7, this “gotcha” is a real stretch for anyone and a stupid take for super obvious reasons. Put down the pipe.

So what was the "super obvious" reason that Canada was left out of the summit in Washington?

[Badhobz]

snubbed by that Trumpet Muppet of course. Clowny wouldnt make a deal, so now he's not invited to the cool kids table anymore. classic high school lunchroom drama 101.

[bcrdukes]

What's it going to be, guys? Van Tech beating? Britannia ass kicking, or Tupper-style gangland stabbing?

[underscore]

Carney not being invited says more about the host than it does about Carney, since by your own words Canada is a top contributor.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Carney not being invited says more about the host than it does about Carney, since by your own words Canada is a top contributor.

Maybe the liberal government should have acted in good faith and contributed to the minimum 2% NATO target in the past decade plus...

[Badhobz]

dont defend those crazy american talking points. Our defence spending is a non-issue because nobody will ever invade us (other than the guy who's telling us to spend more on defence). There is no threat to the US from Canada, and that flow of illegals and drugs is less than 2%

all non issues. What is an issue is that orange retard crashing global markets and ruining economies. Ours included. Who cares if he snubs us at this Ukraine thing, its not he's going to reach Putin to stop this war.

[68style]

So what was the "super obvious" reason that Canada was left out of the summit in Washington?

Cuz we don’t share a border with Ukraine and are nowhere near them?

Japan donated just as much as Canada did and weren’t invited too. Losers!!

Imagine how constructive you could be if you spent time doing things other than thinking of how to bash Carney next?

You’re taking about wanting respect from a childfucker who didn’t even invite Ukraine to a meeting about Ukraine? What’s your priorities here?

[mikemhg]

^I'm surprised you even need to explain such an obvious nuance.

[JDMDreams]

Maybe we should get PP out from Alberta and see what he has to say.

[bcrdukes]

Why are you guys so hard on VRYALT3R3D? :D

[Traum]

Maybe we should get PP out from Alberta and see what he has to say.
Gosh it was such a relief in the past several months when we didn't have to hear his annoying voice on the news.

Now his constantly condescending tone and voice are gonna be back on the airwaves again... FailFish

[VRYALT3R3D]

dont defend those crazy american talking points. Our defence spending is a non-issue because nobody will ever invade us (other than the guy who's telling us to spend more on defence). There is no threat to the US from Canada, and that flow of illegals and drugs is less than 2%

all non issues. What is an issue is that orange retard crashing global markets and ruining economies. Ours included. Who cares if he snubs us at this Ukraine thing, its not he's going to reach Putin to stop this war.

Sorry bro, but both the Biden and Trump administration strongly criticized Canada relentlessly for not meeting the 2% obligation. As a result, Canada is viewed as a 'free-rider'. Its not a talking point when it's factual.

[68style]

Donate your poopra to the cause, help us meet the 2% if you're so ashamed

[mikemhg]

Why are you guys so hard on VRYALT3R3D? :D

Why are you so soft? Trying to fuck? :lol

[bcrdukes]

Why are you so soft? Trying to fuck? :lol

I'm trying to meet the person for the community's benefit, c'mon! :lol

[mikemhg]

I'm trying to meet the person for the community's benefit, c'mon! :lol

I'll bet money he/she will never meet you up.

[Badhobz]

Yah yah , I promise my wife I’d lose weight at the gym too… people don’t always keep their promises. Shocking I know.

Sorry bro, but both the Biden and Trump administration strongly criticized Canada relentlessly for not meeting the 2% obligation. As a result, Canada is viewed as a 'free-rider'. Its not a talking point when it's factual.

[bcrdukes]

I'll bet money he/she will never meet you up.

I have hope! :hotbaby:

[Gumby]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/19/10/101349289-15013423-image-a-11_1755597105162.jpg

Carney's probably thinking "Good thing I wasn't invited!"

[JDMDreams]

Damn white people and shoes inside

[VRYALT3R3D]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/19/10/101349289-15013423-image-a-11_1755597105162.jpg

Carney's probably thinking "Good thing I wasn't invited!"

He got a zoom call. Beyond embarrassing.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/19/10/101349289-15013423-image-a-11_1755597105162.jpg

Carney's probably thinking "Good thing I wasn't invited!"

:lol

That’s where we’re at eh?

Intentionally not being invited to “important” meetings, stick it to em Carney! :lol

[westopher]

Ahhhh yeah come and look at some fuckin political merch.

[Hondaracer]

Yea that’s all it was.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Yah yah , I promise my wife I’d lose weight at the gym too… people don’t always keep their promises. Shocking I know.

Yeah, true. Carney has small JJ energy.

[68style]

Yea that’s all it was.

You think Trump accomplished anything at both his "summit" or this meeting?

What would that be exactly? Both were colossal wastes of time, other than DJT getting in person tips on how to be even more authoritarian from Putzin.

[whitev70r]

You think Trump accomplished anything at both his "summit" or this meeting?

yes .. no one is talking about Epstein files. A very expensive distraction but it seems to have worked to perfection.

[Traum]

Sorry bro, but both the Biden and Trump administration strongly criticized Canada relentlessly for not meeting the 2% obligation. As a result, Canada is viewed as a 'free-rider'. Its not a talking point when it's factual.
And Carney has already committed Canada to meet the 2% target by the end of this year. He has boosted the salaries of our soldiers by 20%, and increased other stipends. So he looks to be following through on that 2% promise.

That is also a fact, so there is no point in using the 2% GDP contribution anymore as a dig against Canada.

And Carney has also committed to the 3.5% + 1.5% NATO spending target as well.

So what purpose is there with you in bringing up how we are not meeting NATO spending targets?

[westopher]

Why was carney not included with European leaders? I can’t fucking figure it out? Have we been relegated from Europe because of the libs?

[VRYALT3R3D]

You think Trump accomplished anything at both his "summit" or this meeting?

What would that be exactly? Both were colossal wastes of time, other than DJT getting in person tips on how to be even more authoritarian from Putzin.

Bro, there was plenty accomplished.

The EU leaders were seeking Trump's public endorsement of security guarantees. Trump delivered by pledging the USA would "coordinate" with the EU on protection for Ukraine. This will be formalized later next week. Likewise, during the meeting there was no mention of Ukraine losing any territory, which was a major concern. Trump is also moving things forward with a trilateral summit with Putin, Zelenskyy and himself within weeks.

Cheers,

[westopher]

The EU leaders
Bro please tell me again where Europe is and why Canada isn’t part of it anymore.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Bro please tell me again where Europe is and why Canada isn’t part of it anymore.

Carney was too busy sitting in his cuck chair, watching from a distance, but not participating:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/UMass_Hotel_room.JPG/1280px-UMass_Hotel_room.JPG

Cheers,

[westopher]

Is that a local European airport hotel?

[yray]

carney was giving mental support to PP incase he did not win the byelection

[bcrdukes]

University of Massachusetts Amherst campus
1 Campus Center Way, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst, MA 01003-9243

[CivicBlues]

Carney was too busy sitting in his cuck chair, watching from a distance, but not participating:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/UMass_Hotel_room.JPG/1280px-UMass_Hotel_room.JPG

Cheers,

The only fool being cucked is you with Carney living rent free in your head

[68style]

Trump is also moving things forward with a trilateral summit with Putin, Zelenskyy and himself within weeks.

Cheers,

I got bad news for you, your favourite pedophile is never going to get that to happen and Russia is still pounding the shit out of Ukraine every day, even more than before the summit, they don’t need to discuss the inevitable.

Complete and utter horse + pony show.

[pastarocket]

I got bad news for you, your favourite pedophile is never going to get that to happen and Russia is still pounding the shit out of Ukraine every day, even more than before the summit, they don’t need to discuss the inevitable.

Complete and utter horse + pony show.

Cheeto needs to work harder to get a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia so that he can win a Nobel Peace Prize. LUL

Is he too busy driving his golf cart on golf courses these days?

[Mr.Money]

the war is gonna be years lasting..... every north american & euro country together are getting rid of there stocked ammo for new stock right now, anything else with a best before date is going with it.


drone sectors are gonna be in billions of profits here.


even Russia's energy is being tapped out with no real protection.. largest oil refinery over night or day time , Electric power systems.
it's all a massive red flag to see what happens to countries like ruS that puts spending towards luxury over defense.

[supafamous]

the war is gonna be years lasting..... every north american & euro country together are getting rid of there stocked ammo for new stock right now, anything else with a best before date is going with it.

drone sectors are gonna be in billions of profits here.

even Russia's energy is being tapped out with no real protection.. largest oil refinery over night or day time , Electric power systems.
it's all a massive red flag to see what happens to countries like ruS that puts spending towards luxury over defense.

I don't invest in things I don't know well but I bet there is a tonne of money to be made in investing in the war machine for the next 20 years - even if the US returns to being the world's "peacekeeper" (in the loosest of terms) no one will trust them anymore so they'll need to stockpile weapons top to bottom.

Countries will go into a lot of debt just to arm themselves to prevent invasion and/or border disputes. This diversion of money will hurt the general economy but is going to be a boon for the right investors.