[JDMDreams]

Nah we just have to learn to shut the fuck up and deal with our own problems before meddling in other people's business halfway across the world. How about all the Canadian hobos zombieing around Hastings, free random stabbings and bonks on the head in dt but nope we must worry about random Palestinians. Housing x hospital crisis? Nah bro would someone think of the Ukrainians and Palestinians.

https://i.imgflip.com/6wmvg6.jpg

[JD¹³]

https://i.imgur.com/NfaRL08.jpg
The photos in inv4zn's X links are from the top of the beige/white building shown here

This is not the impact of a precision guided munition. At minimum the IDF would have used a 250lb warhead (like an AGM missile) if they were actually targeting this site. A 500-1000lbs+ munition like they've been primarily using would have obliterated everything in the immediate vicinity, the cars wouldn't just be sitting there burnt out. If the IDF was trying to destroy subterranean infrastructure they'd have used a bunker-buster style bomb or something so big the blast vibration could have collapsed them, this is clearly not the case. A weapon with little explosive yield but a lot of shrapnel is what landed there. Make your own determinations on who might be firing those.

[Gumby]

This is not the impact of a precision guided munition. At minimum the IDF would have used a 250lb warhead (like an AGM missile) if they were actually targeting this site. A 500-1000lbs+ munition like they've been primarily using would have obliterated everything in the immediate vicinity, the cars wouldn't just be sitting there burnt out. If the IDF was trying to destroy subterranean infrastructure they'd have used a bunker-buster style bomb or something so big the blast vibration could have collapsed them, this is clearly not the case. A weapon with little explosive yield but a lot of shrapnel is what landed there. Make your own determinations on who might be firing those.
Thank you x1000. A post with facts that leads its reader to draw their own conclusion.

[SkinnyPupp]

This whole thread is a pretty interesting microcosm of how much politics on this issue has changed, I'd say Trump has a lot to do with that.

In what world would you ever see people like Honda (conservative minded) take the side of Palestine? Back in the day if you were a Con/Neo-Con you would always take Israel's side on this topic.

On the flip side you're seeing lefties like Skinny falling on the Israeli end.

It's a fascinating change to old political dynamics.
I am absolutely NOT in favor of the Israelis here. Come on.

All I do is point out when some bullshit occurs, especially speaking against anti-Semitism (and don't confuse that with blind support of Israeli actions). Or like when people were asking "Why are Canada and US so strongly supporting Israel?". I explain that - it's because they are allies. You have to have allies in this world, and you have to support them. The other side has allies with some pretty nasty people, so you have to stand against that.

When your allies do something bad, you have to call them out. If that hospital attack was actually Israel, things might be a bit different today.. Biden even arrived in Israel a few hours after that happened!

I take issue with fake news and anti-Semitism, so I make a post pointing out my thoughts. I am not blindly supporting one side or the other. I am against genocide, imagine that! I am against terrorism too!

As for Israel, I look at what they are doing similar to what Britain did in the Colonial days. It's the same shit, a few hundred years later... They take land for themselves, or give it to others, or basically "strongly support" letting Jews basically start a nation there. What can I do about that now? What can you do about Canada? They have given up colonies before, should they do it again? I don't know...

All I know is, there's nothing much I can do about it, except witness history taking place, and just hope regular ass people who just want to live their lives don't get fucked over so much.

Imagine if this Zionist migration happened after WW2 instead of WW1... Would they have just given them a piece of Germany instead when they split it with the Russians?

[N.V.M.]

a very graphic video. be warned!

https://youtu.be/wAFDI63yvNQ?si=0j0on1TgbNl6oWTm

[Hondaracer]

I am absolutely NOT in favor of the Israelis here. Come on.

All I do is point out when some bullshit occurs, especially speaking against anti-Semitism (and don't confuse that with blind support of Israeli actions). Or like when people were asking "Why are Canada and US so strongly supporting Israel?". I explain that - it's because they are allies. You have to have allies in this world, and you have to support them. The other side has allies with some pretty nasty people, so you have to stand against that.

When your allies do something bad, you have to call them out. If that hospital attack was actually Israel, things might be a bit different today.. Biden even arrived in Israel a few hours after that happened!

I take issue with fake news and anti-Semitism, so I make a post pointing out my thoughts. I am not blindly supporting one side or the other. I am against genocide, imagine that! I am against terrorism too!

As for Israel, I look at what they are doing similar to what Britain did in the Colonial days. It's the same shit, a few hundred years later... They take land for themselves, or give it to others, or basically "strongly support" letting Jews basically start a nation there. What can I do about that now? What can you do about Canada? They have given up colonies before, should they do it again? I don't know...

All I know is, there's nothing much I can do about it, except witness history taking place, and just hope regular ass people who just want to live their lives don't get fucked over so much.

Imagine if this Zionist migration happened after WW2 instead of WW1... Would they have just given them a piece of Germany instead when they split it with the Russians?

So by your reasoning Russia is simply “doing what England did” to Ukraine. By the logic proposed here I’d say Russia has a far stronger claim to Ukraine than Israel does to Palestinian lands.

But you see Russia as the “bad guys” so it doesn’t fit your narrative.

That’s a whole lot of words to not say much.

[SkinnyPupp]

So by your reasoning Russia is simply “doing what England did” to Ukraine. By the logic proposed here I’d say Russia has a far stronger claim to Ukraine than Israel does to Palestinian lands.

But you see Russia as the “bad guys” so it doesn’t fit your narrative.

That’s a whole lot of words to not say much.
They absolutely are trying to do it

Both are bad

What's your point again?

(btw you should go watch that WW1 history video I posted the other day.. It's only like 20 mins but you'll learn a lot)

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221-eNg_sZI

[JDMDreams]

Lol catching up on the news now but yea BS on the 500 dead side, the fire explosion happened in a parking lot so unless you have 500 people just chilling in a parking lot waiting to be shot at no way that many people died. No crater just a few burnt cars. Also if 500 people died how will you know instantly, wouldn't it be a giant crater. How would you know 500 people were there. And you can wave your magic wand and count. The Israeli still dunno how many Israel people died in Israel but Hamas magically knows? So yes just a bunch of Palestine jihads killing their own people.

[nabs]

Nah we just have to learn to shut the fuck up and deal with our own problems before meddling in other people's business halfway across the world.

1000000000 %

[pastarocket]

-latest news about humanitarian aid from Egypt.

Sleepy Joe brokered a deal to open up the Rafah Crossing between Egypt and Gaza.

The Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip will be opened from the Egyptian side to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza on Friday morning, Egyptian security officials at the border crossing told CNN.

Egypt's state-affiliated media outlet Al-Qahera News also reported the crossing will open on Friday, quoting an unnamed Egyptian official. The channel did not specify the exact time for the opening.

A CNN journalist at the crossing on the Egyptian side said 25 trucks carrying aid are already numbered and ready to cross the border on Friday.

The road to the Egyptian side of the crossing is being cleaned in preparation for opening, the journalist observed. Tents and toilets were set up Wednesday night for volunteers staying the night at the border.

A CNN stringer on the Egyptian side Wednesday saw several diggers and firetrucks enter the crossing to fix the road connecting the Egyptian and Palestinian border crossings.

Some context: The Rafah border crossing with Egypt in the south has been considered the last hope for Gazans to escape as Israel’s bombs rain down on the territory, and many Palestinians have begun moving in its direction in anticipation. However, it is currently shut.

US President Joe Biden helped broker a deal between Egypt and Israel on Wednesday. Biden said Egypt had agreed to open the Rafah crossing into Gaza for up to 20 trucks of humanitarian aid — but not evacuations. The World Health Organization said the 20 trucks were only a start, and that the aim is to get up to 100 trucks of aid distributed per day.

[JDMDreams]

Yea aid but I really wonder how they can prevent it going to the hamas

[Great68]

than Israel does to Palestinian lands.
.

Wait Wut?

Kingdom of Israel and Judah: 1208 BCE

Muslim conquest of palestine: 625 CE

That's an 1800 year spread there bud.

[JDMDreams]

Yea according to history the Jews were there first :accepted:

[SkinnyPupp]

It's debated whether a united kingdom of Israel existed. I guess it depends on how literally you want to take the bible. I've seen it argued (from Jewish people, not just anti-Semites, although they love this) that Judaism forbids them from having a nation state until the coming of the Messiah. Which of course is never going to happen, right? :badpokerface:

That's where Zionism comes from, and was supported by Britain early on, supporting their migration into the territory, and eventually United Nations setting up borders.

Many countries, including Canada and the US (minus 4 years under Trump), are in favor of setting up a Palestinian state under the 1967 borders (so give them back the West Bank and East Jerusalem along with Gaza).

You can see how the borders changed from post WW1 migration, to the original UN plan, to 1967.

https://www.marxist.com/images/stories/israel/2021_May/NewPalestinianMovement/Palestine_Image_Fatah_news.jpg

[inv4zn]

Any time someone says Zion my mind immediately goes to this
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cac90a4e5f7d1409ead718b/1554917519799-YKFNEF88NPK8ERHTQJK5/Matrixfaq2.jpg

[Great68]

So what's the metric we're using to qualify statements such as "Russia has a greater claim to ukraine than israel to palestine"? Or any one peoples' claim to any lands really?


Are we only counting the the last 100 years as the frame of reference?

Because:

https://i.imgur.com/7c6K39Y.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

So what's the metric we're using to qualify statements such as "Russia has a greater claim to ukraine than israel to palestine"?

I would say those are bad faith arguments, and just don't bother responding to them.

[Great68]

*agreed, yes It's it's completely arbitrary.

[whitev70r]

Canada has 'high degree of confidence' Israel didn't strike hospital in Gaza: Blair

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-has-high-degree-of-confidence-israel-didn-t-strike-hospital-in-gaza-blair-1.6611921

[lowside67]

Nah we just have to learn to shut the fuck up and deal with our own problems before meddling in other people's business halfway across the world. How about all the Canadian hobos zombieing around Hastings, free random stabbings and bonks on the head in dt but nope we must worry about random Palestinians. Housing x hospital crisis? Nah bro would someone think of the Ukrainians and Palestinians.
You're right... because we have not yet figured out how to tackle a problem at home, we should absolutely turn a blind eye to other problems elsewhere in the world. After all, nothing that happens anywhere globally could be more important than 12 blocks of the downtown Eastside.

As of a quick Google, over 10x as many Palestinians, and 5x as many Israelis have died in 2 weeks than all of 2022 in the DTES. And many are children, most are civilians, and presumably few are drug addicted.

Just STFU already.

-Mark

[lowside67]

It's debated whether a united kingdom of Israel existed. I guess it depends on how literally you want to take the bible. I've seen it argued (from Jewish people, not just anti-Semites, although they love this) that Judaism forbids them from having a nation state until the coming of the Messiah. Which of course is never going to happen, right? :badpokerface:

That's where Zionism comes from, and was supported by Britain early on, supporting their migration into the territory, and eventually United Nations setting up borders.

Many countries, including Canada and the US (minus 4 years under Trump), are in favor of setting up a Palestinian state under the 1967 borders (so give them back the West Bank and East Jerusalem along with Gaza).

You can see how the borders changed from post WW1 migration, to the original UN plan, to 1967.
I think it's also worth highlighting that not only are the Palestinians being squeezed geographically, but because the Israelis literally control every part of their country, they are on a path back to the stone age from a financial and systemic standpoint with massive unemployment, unreliable food/water/power/fuel, etc.

I will be the first to say I did not have nearly the appreciation for the conditions that the Palestinians have lived in for the last years until this conflict gave me a reason to read and learn a bit more - it's pretty tough to see this and you can definitely see how this kind of world they live in gives rise to extremists because it probably feels pretty "we're on a one way ticket to nothing, so what have we got to lose?"

Which is of course, a terrible recipe for desperate, poorly thought out actions. It's awful, and 100% unacceptable for Hamas to murder innocent Israeli civillians and they are rightly condemned for it. But I also feel strongly that this is being used as a launchpad for the Israelis to take equally or more despicable actions that they've "wanted" to do for years, and this provides them cover to do. And that is what we all need to stand up against.

-Mark

[Badhobz]

So hippie dippie Trudeau fuck commits 50 million dollars to Palestine humanitarian relief.

We could use some of that humanitarian relief locally. That would give some more beds for senior homes, paramedics need a raise, etc etc.

[whitev70r]

^ or more importantly, EV rebates

[westopher]

So hippie dippie Trudeau fuck commits 50 million dollars to Palestine humanitarian relief.

We could use some of that humanitarian relief locally. That would give some more beds for senior homes, paramedics need a raise, etc etc.

By the time it's put through all the government systems to implement it it will cost 300 million to get 50 million into the systems.

[Hondaracer]

You're right... because we have not yet figured out how to tackle a problem at home, we should absolutely turn a blind eye to other problems elsewhere in the world. After all, nothing that happens anywhere globally could be more important than 12 blocks of the downtown Eastside.

As of a quick Google, over 10x as many Palestinians, and 5x as many Israelis have died in 2 weeks than all of 2022 in the DTES. And many are children, most are civilians, and presumably few are drug addicted.

Just STFU already.

-Mark

Lol yea because Canada of all places is in the position to play rescue for a conflict they don’t even understand. Canada can’t even sort its own basic problems out yet we’re suppose to deal with incredibly intricate problems like these?

Just throw more money at it, that will surely accomplish peace in the Middle East.

[JDMDreams]

^ wut money?

[GLOW]

Canada sometimes Reminds me of those reality shows where a couple is in financial trouble and get help and the host/person is shocked at their expenses which includes a sizeable regular donation when they’re in the verge of financial ruin :lol



:okay:

[mikemhg]

I think it's also worth highlighting that not only are the Palestinians being squeezed geographically, but because the Israelis literally control every part of their country, they are on a path back to the stone age from a financial and systemic standpoint with massive unemployment, unreliable food/water/power/fuel, etc.

I will be the first to say I did not have nearly the appreciation for the conditions that the Palestinians have lived in for the last years until this conflict gave me a reason to read and learn a bit more - it's pretty tough to see this and you can definitely see how this kind of world they live in gives rise to extremists because it probably feels pretty "we're on a one way ticket to nothing, so what have we got to lose?"

Which is of course, a terrible recipe for desperate, poorly thought out actions. It's awful, and 100% unacceptable for Hamas to murder innocent Israeli civillians and they are rightly condemned for it. But I also feel strongly that this is being used as a launchpad for the Israelis to take equally or more despicable actions that they've "wanted" to do for years, and this provides them cover to do. And that is what we all need to stand up against.

-Mark

This is 100% correct. Make no mistake, the current Israeli government is easily the most radical government they've had in place in quite a long time now. They have been waiting for this opportunity to level Gaza, and this is the perfect excuse for it.

You have to also listen to the way these Israeli officials describe Palestinians as "animals", I very much pay attention to the words used by these people. It's all very coded in a meticulous way.

Going back to the topic of land, what's so fascinating about Israel is that its government is primarily run and occupied by Ashkenazi Jews. These people aren't even Semites like the Palestinians, or "true" Israelites from that very region. Israelis and Palestinians are both Semitic people, they are essentially cousins to each other. One would wonder if peace would be better achieved if such radicals weren't running their country.

Just take a look at the current cabinet, it is a sea of European-faced Jews, they are the people that run the country, and that is a fact. If you look at it through that lens it becomes all the more clear the genocidal tendencies these people carry.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/13/what-is-the-white-phosphorus-that-israel-is-accused-of-using-on-gaza

Israel is a major arms dealer and has a history of "testing" its newfound developed weaponry on the Palestinians before selling them on the world market.

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/cruel-experiments-israels-arms-industry
https://truthout.org/audio/israels-tools-of-occupation-are-tested-on-palestine-and-exported-globally/

If you read about this stuff you truly see the direct parallels between how the Ashkenazi were treated by the German Nazis (even down to the experimentation of weapons) to how these same Ashkenazi treat the Palestinians.

It's dark stuff.

[whitev70r]

^ often the tables are turned. The Jews who were oppressed at one time becomes the oppressor in the next generation.

[inv4zn]

^ often the tables are turned. The Jews who were oppressed at one time becomes the oppressor in the next generation.

This is about as big of a generalization as saying all Palestinians are terrorists.

Also, Jews aren't the oppressors, it's Israelis. And it's a big stretch to say all 9 million Israelis are "oppressing". To somehow equate the holocaust to this is ignorant at best.

[Mr.Money]

don't lie vancouver.... dont lie this isn't you right now. :badpokerface:

https://i.imgur.com/SrD7aoE.jpeg

[mikemhg]

Joe Biden is pissing me off. I'm shocked how much different a stance he's made on this whole issue as opposed to Obama's. He's showing his true neocon colors, it's almost as if nothing has changed since 9/11 with the US government's stance on this whole conflict, even to the behest of their own officials (many of which served in Obama's government).

Even State Department officials are stepping down due to him sending weapons to Israel with apparently more to follow (there is a huge inner battle going on between officials on these weapon commitments).

Why does Israel need more arms? They're already fighting a battle equivalent to me walking down the street to the nearest elementary school and picking a fist fight with a special needs student. It's fucking laughable.

It just shows more and more these old fuckers need to be voted out of government, whether Biden, Bibi, or any other of these crusty fucks making these foreign policy decisions.

[Hondaracer]

Remember when everyone was saying Hamas isn’t Palestinians?

Well Netanyahu don’t give a fuck if Hezbolah represents Lebanon or not lol..

Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a fresh warning to Hezbollah saying that if it goes to war with Israel “that would bring unimaginable devastation upon it and Lebanon.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israelhamas-war-benjamin-netanyahus-warns-israels-enemy-number-2-hezbollah-don-t-enter-war-101697977155986-amp.html

This article outlines fairly well how completely fucked Gaza is:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/25/gaza-blockade-relief-operations-cutback-warning/

The U.N. says about 1.4 million of Gaza’s 2.3 million residents are now internally displaced, with almost 600,000 crowded into U.N. shelters.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah met Wednesday with top Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad officials in their first reported meeting since the war started. Such a meeting could signal coordination between the groups, as Hezbollah officials warned Israel against launching a ground offensive in Gaza.

Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said Iran was helping Hamas, with intelligence and by “whipping up incitement against Israel across the world.” He said Iranian proxies were also operating against Israel from Iraq, Yemen and Lebanon.

Inb4 WW3 / 911 2.0

[Gumby]

The comparison between Hamas/Palestinians is not the same as Hezbollah/Lebanon. Pretty sure Netanyahu is saying devastation will be brought upon Lebanon as a country if Israel starts bombing the Hezbollah…

[Hondaracer]

What other country would be allowed to kill Canadians at will?

https://beta.cp24.com/news/2023/10/26/1_6618202.html

Oh I forgot, they’re our “ally”

There’s almost 500 Canadians in West Bank and Gaza, how many would have to be killed before Canada has some balls to say something? 50?

[CivicBlues]

lol, as if you would have considered those guys Canadians a month ago

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol right to claim of land... all land is free to take.

whoever the fuck can take the land, and hold it, has the right to claim it.

this has always been the way, and shall continue for all of eternity across the cosmos.

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/62FCVJycwSA

As always Mearsheimer lays it all out clear as day, first half Ukraine second half Israel

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XceMFCUhJbM&ab_channel=DailyMail

I'm guessing this is what Hamas really wanted to achieve. Shake the whole world.

[donk.]

Maybe a global ban on religion would solve these issues

[Hondaracer]

Wiping out Hamas isn’t going to do shit. It’s just going to make the Islamic world which is growing substantially quicker than “western societies” fucking hateeeeeee Israel and their supporters.

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/62FCVJycwSA

As always Mearsheimer lays it all out clear as day, first half Ukraine second half Israel

Fuck you america. The status quo of the post war era is dead.
Stop trying to police the world. Like this guy said, this whole Russia Ukraine war is because they pushed nato to Putins border.

[Hondaracer]

Fuck you america. The status quo of the post war era is dead.
Stop trying to police the world. Like this guy said, this whole Russia Ukraine war is because they pushed nato to Putins border.

They’re our ally bro! They must be right

[Great68]

Fuck you america. The status quo of the post war era is dead.
Stop trying to police the world. Like this guy said, this whole Russia Ukraine war is because they pushed nato to Putins border.

Yeah, how dare people democratically decide the course of their country, and that course is to distance themselves from a corrupt totalitarian regime and plot a course for a better future with closer ties to the west. Sure didn't work for Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, , Lithuania, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc... We should totally let Russia have a piece, how dare we let Russia be upset!

Mearshimer's argument is so dumb because it ignores the actual will of the people in those countries. There's a reason they're all distancing themselves from Russia....

[SkinnyPupp]

It's literally Putin's justification propaganda lol

[Badhobz]

Yeah, how dare people democratically decide the course of their country, and that course is to distance themselves from a corrupt totalitarian regime and plot a course for a better future with closer ties to the west. Sure didn't work for Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, , Lithuania, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc... We should totally let Russia have a piece, how dare we let Russia be upset!

Mearshimer's argument is so dumb because it ignores the actual will of the people in those countries. There's a reason they're all distancing themselves from Russia....

Not being in nato doesn’t mean they can’t be democratic or sovereign. I’m not sure why we shoved nato down the throats of these countries knowing full well it’s poking the angry ass Russian bear. Fuck Putin but also fuck this nato bullshit. This is exactly like the alliance systems of WWI. Going to entrap nations that have little or no interest in a European conflict.

Trump should have pulled the US out

[StylinRed]

Mearshimer's argument is so dumb because it ignores the actual will of the people in those countries. There's a reason they're all distancing themselves from Russia....

It's not his argument he's just laying out the facts without all the propaganda from all sides, you just think the will of the people has a say in any of it, it never does, even in revolutions the powers that be push, encourage, manipulate the populace to their favour and it'll be a battle of sides to see who has the best manipulation skills and can control the most lemmings

[GS8]

you just think the will of the people has a say in any of it, it never does

Hey now, sometimes you can get a month of success

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYlb06pLBMc&ab_channel=GuardianNews

[Blueboy222]

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[Hondaracer]

4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/05/gazas-children-face-catastrophe-as-death-toll-nears-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

[mikemhg]

4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/05/gazas-children-face-catastrophe-as-death-toll-nears-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

Stop being anti-Semitic :lol

[inv4zn]

4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/05/gazas-children-face-catastrophe-as-death-toll-nears-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

It's absolutely terrible, but honestly speaking, what did anyone think would happen?

Like if I punched a sleeping bear in the face, and then ran to a playground as it chased me where it mauled a bunch of children, is the blame really solely with the bear?

[68style]

Yes. Israel isn't a stupid bear that can't discriminate between things or fighting another species... although your description does account for Israel referring to Palestinians as less than human.

Think of it this way instead... a white supremacist kills a bunch of black people and then goes into a room with 99 other white people in it and someone locks the door. As a black person, do you blow up the entire room of white people because that 1 bad one went in there?

That's more like what's actually happening.

[inv4zn]

Yes. Israel isn't a stupid bear that can't discriminate between things or fighting another species... although your description does account for Israel referring to Palestinians as less than human.

Think of it this way instead... a white supremacist kills a bunch of black people and then goes into a room with 99 other white people in it and someone locks the door. As a black person, do you blow up the entire room of white people because that 1 bad one went in there?

That's more like what's actually happening.

lol, wat.

Ok, then using your example, what if the room the white supremacist killer went back to is the local KKK headquarters where they have no desire to weed out the "1" bad one?

[EvoFire]

Not sure how much "democracy" is in Palestine, but it seems like the people that "elected" Hamas to run the show, and therefore they reap what they sow. Killing children is horrible, but like that video a few pages back where the dad eggs the child on to try and get the soldiers to do something. Yeah there's definitely that going on. The Palestinians can't exactly wash their hands of the whole thing and be like "hurdurr the Israelis are monsters we did nothing wrong"

In the same vein Netanyahu disregarded warnings from the Egyptians, people that two decades ago probably wanted them all dead. It's different and yet the trust isn't there and that's on the Israelis.

[68style]

lol, wat.

Ok, then using your example, what if the room the white supremacist killer went back to is the local KKK headquarters where they have no desire to weed out the "1" bad one?

That's not the situation here.

Gaza is mostly populated by innocent civilians and peaceful Palestinians.

I mean come on, Israel is verbatim doing what I illustrated... oh we bombed that building because there's a tunnel under there. Yah it wasn't a military building but oh wellzlol

[SkinnyPupp]

4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/05/gazas-children-face-catastrophe-as-death-toll-nears-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit
Who says it's ok?

[Hondaracer]

Trudeau when he abstained from the vote for a ceasefire?

Guy won’t miss a opportunity to vitue signal though, ya abstained on the cease fire but ya cry when a reporter shoves a mic in your face.

Guess he forgot about canadas new moto of “all children matter” when more kids die in bomb blasts in 3 weeks than all the residential school kids combined? Lol eh fuck it, they’re off in some other place.

[donk.]

Not sure if this is propaganda, or real, but if it's real, I hope everyone inside those cars is locked in a cell and raped for 365 days.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1lRzmaB64Fk?si=v_gAUoXCsGY9JUv7

[SkinnyPupp]

Trudeau when he abstained from the vote for a ceasefire?

Guy won’t miss a opportunity to vitue signal though, ya abstained on the cease fire but ya cry when a reporter shoves a mic in your face.

Guess he forgot about canadas new moto of “all children matter” when more kids die in bomb blasts in 3 weeks than all the residential school kids combined? Lol eh fuck it, they’re off in some other place.
Canada wanted to amend the resolution to directly condemn the Hamas terrorist attack (which would open them up to other actions internationally), that's why they abstained. They needed 2/3 support to get the amendment but got 1/2

[Hondaracer]

Clown boy is terrified to even mention cease fire

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/what-a-joke-trudeau-slammed-after-seemingly-calling-for-israeli-ceasefire-then-backtracking-010228880.html

Imagine having to backtrack on calling a ceasefire that has killed 4000 children lol. I’m sure there’s a very good reason though..outside of the aforementioned power/influence heheh

[Traum]

If I have been understanding things correctly, Trudeau has been calling for a "humanitarian truce". While "truce" and "ceasefire" may pretty much mean the same thing to us layman, in international legalese, they have quite a different meaning.

"Ceasefire" means something along the lines of "sustained lack of military operations, with negotiations involved to secure a longer term peace". On the other hand, "humanitarian truce" means a shorter period of no fighting to provide a window to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian supplies.

You can still call Turd names for not stepping up to call for a "ceasefire", but it isn't like Turd is staying completely quite, and abstaining from calling Israel out for its atrocities.

[Great68]

I find it ironic that a few pages ago people were showing skepticism of the Oct 7 brutalities, saying claims of Hamas specifically trying to target children (With maps, that apparently were photoshopped)

Even this is like ehhh.. 10 minutes in photoshop I haven’t used in 15 years could come up with something

Yet, believing that reports of "4000 dead children" in Gaza, which comes from an entity controlled by Hamas, is factually accurate information...

[westopher]

The WHO is reporting those numbers as accurate.

[Hondaracer]

I find it ironic that a few pages ago people were showing skepticism of the Oct 7 brutalities, saying claims of Hamas specifically trying to target children (With maps, that apparently were photoshopped)



Yet, believing that reports of "4000 dead children" in Gaza, which comes from an entity controlled by Hamas, is factually accurate information...

Well yea.. it’s basically mad max with guns from 40 years ago on the Hamas side VS modern aircraft loaded with modern bombs that can level entire blocks on the Israeli side. Not too hard to believe

[JDMDreams]

So what about rockets launched from hezbollah? Killing Innocents? Fake news? Turkey as a NATO member stirring up shit? Backed by trump? You think with the technology that they have if the idf really want to kill civilians it would take a month to kill 4000 when your best guys hamas can kill like 1300 in 6 hours? Are you trying to save civilians or save Hamas? Did you hear about Hamas snipping their civilians when idf tried to move civilians out of the war zone? What about the 200+ hostages that the hamas still hav? Let them die? Make Palestine great again?

[underscore]

Gaza is mostly populated by innocent civilians and peaceful Palestinians.

Also iirc 50% of their population is under 18.

[Hondaracer]

So what about rockets launched from hezbollah? Killing Innocents? Fake news? Turkey as a NATO member stirring up shit? Backed by trump? You think with the technology that they have if the idf really want to kill civilians it would take a month to kill 4000 when your best guys hamas can kill like 1300 in 6 hours? Are you trying to save civilians or save Hamas? Did you hear about Hamas snipping their civilians when idf tried to move civilians out of the war zone? What about the 200+ hostages that the hamas still hav? Let them die? Make Palestine great again?

Wat

[Great68]

The WHO is reporting those numbers as accurate.

The WHO receives those reports from the Gaza Health Ministry. Who do you think runs the Gaza Health Ministry?

Directly from the WHO release:
https://www.who.int/news/item/03-11-2023-women-and-newborns-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-conflict-in-gaza-un-agencies-warn

"As of 3 November, according to Ministry of Health data "

And from Wiki:

"Following the 2007 Hamas takeover of Gaza, a month-long doctors' strike ensued due to political disputes. The new Gaza government, with Basem Naim as Health Minister, replaced Fatah-affiliated hospital directors and staff with Hamas loyalists."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

[westopher]

Why would the WHO back those numbers if they didn't find them believable? They have gone on record and confirmed that they believe those numbers to be true.
They could very easily have answered the question with "that's what was reported"

[Great68]

Where have they stated they confirm those numbers are accurate?

Hence the "According to Ministry of Health" qualifier.

No outside organization has been allowed in to do an actual count.

If you want an example, look at the death toll that was reported in that Hospital explosion, the ministry reported over 500 dead at first. Then the next day revised that number lower, and then other intelligence agencies estimated even lower than that. And then it turned out that was a misfired rocket that killed their own people.

[westopher]

I just saw a story on the news saying that Israel said the numbers were much lower, but a representative from the WHO believed the numbers reported to be accurate. I took it at face value and didn't confirm somewhere, which means maybe it's bullshit? But either way, that's what was reported pretty much verbatim.
After a quick google United Nations aid providers are also claiming the numbers to be likely accurate, and also say 88 aid workers have been killed. The highest in any conflict in such a short period.

[westopher]

Only partially related to what we are talking about when it comes to numbers, but a very good read of the personal cost to those who advocate for what's right.
https://apple.news/AL2YqwokrTPaQsdiw48uaUw

[JDMDreams]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/11/03/news/video-reportedly-shows-gaza-residents-gunned-down-in-streets-by-hamas/amp/

In the video posted on X, a man films the carnage as he rides a bicycle down the Al Rasheed beach road, crying out in anguish the camera focuses on the dead bodies, many of them lying in pools of blood.

In a separate post, author and journalist Amjad Taha said the victims were among “dozens” killed by Hamas snipers, including women and children, because “they do not want citizens to leave.”

“They want to use them as human shields and will kill anyone who attempts to leave. Hamas terrorists in Gaza will, as usual, blame #Israel because it is easy and there is media that accepts this propaganda,” he wrote.

[CivicBlues]

2020: Fuck the WHO, they're controlled by China-lovers covering up COVID deaths

2023: Why would the WHO lie about this?

[westopher]

You must have me mixed up with someone else.

[CivicBlues]

Not you specifically, just the general sentiment these days.

[Badhobz]

What’s going on with those hot Ukrainian girls ?! All my feeds are full of these Jews and Muslims nowadays

[JDMDreams]

It's Hot Muslim women time? Ukraine was so 2022.

https://themessenger.com/news/palestinian-president-reportedly-survives-assassination-attempt-after-receiving-24-hour-ultimatum-to-take-action-against-israel

How the turns have tabled.

[Hondaracer]

Russia bad, Israel good

JT on that virtuous tour to bring back Hamas Canadians?

https://i.imgur.com/bDakxMl.jpg

[mikemhg]

To someone who commented why would we believe Hamas in terms of deaths.

You're right, I firmly believe they're likely inflating some of these deaths, especially when mentioning they're all "women and children".

The difference is that the health ministry are in fact releasing IDs and names of those who died, and the pictures of the destruction are pretty evident that roughly 10K have died.

The baby beheading story was completely fabricated and to this day was never proven or substantiated.

[6793026]

no one even blinks an eye on Ukraine now. Say good bye trying to get funding and flying to every country trying to get help.

News = gets votes = gets exposure. Ukraine.. you just got dumped.

No news are ever accurate. Both sides will always say they did this and that and numbers are numbers. Did we not learn anything from Trump and is inflated issues with loans and worth.

No one will back down. Back then we had Saddam Hussein and bin ladin. We pinned it on people. Now we are pinning it on a movement. You can wipe out a movement or ideology. Maybe that's just me.

[Traum]

It's fast approaching winter in Ukraine, so there isn't nearly as much military actioning happening. Russia is still trying to bomb Ukraine, esp on their energy infrastructure. There is still a steady feed of Ukraine news if you follow European news, but there really isn't too much they can do for now, other than to hunker down and weather through the season and Russian bombardment.

[inv4zn]

no one even blinks an eye on Ukraine now. Say good bye trying to get funding and flying to every country trying to get help.

News = gets votes = gets exposure. Ukraine.. you just got dumped.



lol if you honestly believe actual world governments are as easily swayed by whatever they see on reddit, then your worldview is completely fucked. The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.

Like, c'mon.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH8d7UJNmaA

"Israel is essentially America's attack dog in the Middle East."

[SkinnyPupp]

lol if you honestly believe actual world governments are as easily swayed by whatever they see on reddit, then your worldview is completely fucked. The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.

Like, c'mon.
They're right about media coverage, but you're right that they're not going to suddenly drop the issue lol... Well unless Trump somehow gets elected

[6793026]

The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.


Honest question. Not trolling. I really do not know how Canada benefiting in sending financial aid to Ukraine. Maybe US or some other parts of the world, sending aircrafts, ammo = increase in GDP, gov't spending from all the military spend... but htat's really all I can think of.

[68style]

^
Would you rather spend billions, potentially get drafted and lose hundreds of thousands of Canadians fighting Russia in WW3 after it takes over Ukraine + other former USSR countries and then sets its sights on Poland, etc?

That's what you're benefitting.

[Hondaracer]

Lol yea.. a draft. Get real

[JDMDreams]

What billions? Do you think the new immigrants buddy guys, or China wechat bois will fight for Canada? Maybe the anti vax but I'm sure everyone else will book it back out. :suspicious:

[Traum]

Whatever form it comes in -- drafting, aggressive recruitment efforts, voluntary enlistment -- a whole lot of Canadians of different ethnicities will be sent to the front lines if the Russia-Ukraine war expands to a much larger region in Europe. That's essentially what 68style is alluding to.

I have no particular good or ill will towards him, but remember that Harjit Sajjan (our former defence minister) was born in India, and he was deployed to Afghanistan a number of times. I have a friend whose twin brothers grew up in Vancouver, and they are both in the reserves.

The "billions" that 69style mentioned is money, not soldiers. (After all, Canada only has a population of ~39M.)

[Badhobz]

They better not draft me, i dont have enough goldbond powder to last a conflict.

[CivicBlues]

Lol no one here is going to be forcibly "sent to the front lines". If NATO comes into direct conflict with Russia the whole world is fucked. End of times.

[Hondaracer]

Whatever form it comes in -- drafting, aggressive recruitment efforts, voluntary enlistment -- a whole lot of Canadians of different ethnicities will be sent to the front lines if the Russia-Ukraine war expands to a much larger region in Europe. That's essentially what 68style is alluding to.

I have no particular good or ill will towards him, but remember that Harjit Sajjan (our former defence minister) was born in India, and he was deployed to Afghanistan a number of times. I have a friend whose twin brothers grew up in Vancouver, and they are both in the reserves.

The "billions" that 69style mentioned is money, not soldiers. (After all, Canada only has a population of ~39M.)

Everything you talked about there was done voluntarily.

And as for Sajjan, the guy is the poster boy for stolen valour. Not exactly apt comparisons to Canada suddenly enlisting people who have trouble interacting with cashiers at grocery stores.

Canada is pumping all this money to Ukraine because they have never met their NATO or defence obligations, so in typical JT liberal fashion, you throw a bunch of money at the problem blindly and hope it quiets people down for a bit.

Didn’t Slovakia and Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?

[Great68]

Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?


Come on dude, that was a misinterpreted sound byte and clarified months ago.

They meant they were not sending new weapons they were receiving from the USA for their own military, Abrams tanks, HIMARS etc to rearm their own army.

They were continuing to send their older weapons already committed to Ukraine

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/21/7420889/

Get with the program.

[68style]

Poland's far right government said that, right before they lost the election. They also said they'd stop supporting Ukraine refugees.

Trying to get last minute votes from their base and failed.

[EvoFire]

Everything you talked about there was done voluntarily.

And as for Sajjan, the guy is the poster boy for stolen valour. Not exactly apt comparisons to Canada suddenly enlisting people who have trouble interacting with cashiers at grocery stores.

Canada is pumping all this money to Ukraine because they have never met their NATO or defence obligations, so in typical JT liberal fashion, you throw a bunch of money at the problem blindly and hope it quiets people down for a bit.

Didn’t Slovakia and Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?

Poland had a spat with Ukraine over wheat imports, but support has resumed.
I don't know about Slovakia.

I never thought of it as covering our under contribution to NATO, it convoluted way it kind of makes sense, but I don't think we are blindly throwing money at it. The stage doesn't allow us to throw people at it, not that I think there's any appetite to so throwing money and legislation (sanctions) is what Canada will do.

[Great68]

To add context to the grain spat, Poland allowed Ukraine to transport their grain destined for Africa through their country.

That grain was ending up flooding into the Polish market rather than making it out to it's proper destination. Since Poland is part of the EU, their local grain market is subject to EU regulations and market pricing. Obviously this presents a problem where the local market is going to be seriously undercut and get hurt.
It was a reasonable concern.

They came to angreement in October that the grain shipments would no longer stop at the Polish border, and instead transit directly to Lithuania's port.

[Hondaracer]

Seeing as we live in a democracy, and how the next election will likely he largely impacted on getting rid of the carbon tax, which directly effects Canadians, don’t see why they wouldn’t also poll the idea of cutting funding for foreign wars.

I think it’s pretty safe to say Canada as a whole would unanimously support cutting this steady flow of cash to them. Yes I get the political games that have to be played in the background, but I’m sure there are more than enough examples within Europe who aren’t “pulling their weight” with similar or greater populations, and far more to lose if Russia was to succeed.

Eventually we have to stop playing these games about being the global good guy and bring shit back home. This isn’t some crazy right wing isolationist mentality, it’s just looking at the state we are in in Canada and how far the type of money we are handing out would go to fix our own issues.

[68style]

Seeing as we live in a democracy, and how the next election will likely he largely impacted on getting rid of the carbon tax, which directly effects Canadians, don’t see why they wouldn’t also poll the idea of cutting funding for foreign wars.

I think it’s pretty safe to say Canada as a whole would unanimously support cutting this steady flow of cash to them. Yes I get the political games that have to be played in the background, but I’m sure there are more than enough examples within Europe who aren’t “pulling their weight” with similar or greater populations, and far more to lose if Russia was to succeed.

Eventually we have to stop playing these games about being the global good guy and bring shit back home. This isn’t some crazy right wing isolationist mentality, it’s just looking at the state we are in in Canada and how far the type of money we are handing out would go to fix our own issues.

You do realize that Canada's annual budget is somewhere in the $200 Billion dollar range right?

So even with what's been spent on Ukraine since the conflict started AND what's promised to them for the next year or so... it amounts to 2% of our annual spend.

TWO percent.

[Traum]

You are absolutely correct about the relative size of our financial support to Ukraine, but just since when have voters acted rationally on any particular issue?

If we had rational voters in Canada, BC wouldn't have voted the HST away; Crusty Clark would have had a much shorter stint as premier; Alberta wouldn't have voted Danielle Smith in, and Onterrible wouldn't have given Doug Ford a 2nd term.

[westopher]

Why are conservatives so excited about upping our spending on defence to protect us but so against spending on military action in other countries to protect us?

[SkinnyPupp]

Why are conservatives so excited about upping our spending on defence to protect us but so against spending on military action in other countries to protect us?
Short sighted NIMBY mentality

[westopher]

I don't even think it's that thought out. It's literally just regurgitating anger from the political party they like more.
This is why democracy isn't working. People aren't interested in looking at things objectively. It just other party bad me party good.

[Great68]

Why are conservatives so excited about upping our spending on defence to protect us but so against spending on military action in other countries to protect us?

Lack the cognitive capability to recognize the link that it's actually protecting us?

[EvoFire]

Seeing as we live in a democracy, and how the next election will likely he largely impacted on getting rid of the carbon tax, which directly effects Canadians, don’t see why they wouldn’t also poll the idea of cutting funding for foreign wars.

I think it’s pretty safe to say Canada as a whole would unanimously support cutting this steady flow of cash to them. Yes I get the political games that have to be played in the background, but I’m sure there are more than enough examples within Europe who aren’t “pulling their weight” with similar or greater populations, and far more to lose if Russia was to succeed.

Eventually we have to stop playing these games about being the global good guy and bring shit back home. This isn’t some crazy right wing isolationist mentality, it’s just looking at the state we are in in Canada and how far the type of money we are handing out would go to fix our own issues.

You are overestimating how much people care about the aid given out, and the amount of ppl that are actually for it. Typically speaking there's confirmation bias because of the people you hang out with or you work with.

There's lots of noise about asking for a ceasefire or at least humanitarian pause, that I hear a lot more about.

[JDMDreams]

Clearly Taylor Swift is > money for Palestine, make sure you get your tickets. :lawl:

[Hondaracer]

You do realize that Canada's annual budget is somewhere in the $200 Billion dollar range right?

So even with what's been spent on Ukraine since the conflict started AND what's promised to them for the next year or so... it amounts to 2% of our annual spend.

TWO percent.

That’s quite a bit for a country on the other side of the world

This link has a chart laying out contributions from all countries:

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

Why is Canada contributing SUBSTANTIALLY more than a country like Italy? Similar GDP, Italy has a larger population, etc etc.

There are plenty of comparables with similar situations.

I’ve yet to see a reason to justify this amount of spending relative to countries that are actually effected by this conflict other than “because we should”

[underscore]

But Russia isn't really on the other side of the world, from some angles it's pretty close to us

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c6/66/b9/c666b9e95d3fe13bf5f91fb54d6aef1e.jpg

Which is why every so often we have to send jets to go tell their jets to get out of our airspace.

[Badhobz]

Canaduh: get outta my house!!!!

RUSKIES: нет (nyet)

[GS8]

Russia vs Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EPcmVL1m0w&ab_channel=TheFGCPlace

[westopher]

Russia is actually one of the, if not the largest threat to our arctic regions, so yeah, it's not necessarily about helping our friends halfway across the world against someone else halfway across the world, it's about helping them fight off one of our biggest adversaries.

[mikemhg]

Westopher is right, people don't even know wtf they want, it's all along party lines nowadays.

To Trump's credit, he's created this new-age group of conservatives, people like Honda, for example. These guys don't want aid going to Ukraine, they don't want us meddling in foreign affairs, but do they feel the same about sending aid to Israel? They seem fine with that, so it makes me wonder they care more about aid to Ukraine because they lionize an authoritarian like Putin? This whole tough guy, ultra Christian façade he puts on?

It's all quite confusing.

[Hondaracer]

Lol I’d way rather aid to go Ukraine than Israel!

My point is, we have these high horse announcements from the govt, 250 million for housing! To build.. 200 homes!!!

The total amount of money given to build housing with a record number of homeless people alongside record number of new immigrants is like, less than 10% of the aid given to Ukraine.

You can spin it in this way that oh it all works out in the end, but it very clearly hasn’t been with this attitude of just throwing money at everything.

[JDMDreams]

Ah like the Canada logic, if you buy and give them clean drugs there's gonna be less ppl doing and dying from drugs, cuz they don't have to be embarrassed they are crack heads. :pokerface::fulloffuck::facepalm:

[68style]

That's what governments do. They fund initiatives/plans. And then everyone who is an expert of all the mitigating factors involved in a particular issue after reading 1 article on it points out obvious (to them) flaws in the plan and pontificates about how they would have done it better because it's so simple and the government is just dumb.

Rinse and repeat since like... the dawn of governments.

Ah like the Canada logic, if you buy and give them clean drugs there's gonna be less ppl doing and dying from drugs, cuz they don't have to be embarrassed they are crack heads. :pokerface::fulloffuck::facepalm:

Though they are better than this guy's useless posts in every thread.

[whitev70r]

They need to stop $$ into clean drugs supply and put it into rehab - beds or spaces for addictions recovery. Even I know that.

[Hondaracer]

The money given to Ukraine would have been able to solve homelessness in both Vancouver and Toronto. Could have built enough housing and funded enough programs to, at the very least, put a hugeeee dent in it.

But I feel like these problems are like curing cancer, there’s no will to actually fix the issue because govt. and private industry scratch each others back on back alley deals. See: social housing embezzlement/misappropriation locally here.

[6793026]

getting drafted??? wow i haven't LOL-ed so hard. Maybe WW3 of it happening....
I can't even seen an actual war happening where we have to send troops.
When was the last time we had to even send our army / reserves to protect canada?

maybe fires? floods in the martimes.... but tha'ts about it. SENDING aids.. for sure 100% that's the easy way out but i still don't see why. Sending = increase spending in army / defence = increase GDP due to military spending.

[Badhobz]

dont draft me bro! im too tall and fat, dem ruskies gonna blow me up first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J73G_RRxIkU=12

[inv4zn]

The money given to Ukraine would have been able to solve homelessness in both Vancouver and Toronto. Could have built enough housing and funded enough programs to, at the very least, put a hugeeee dent in it.

But I feel like these problems are like curing cancer, there’s no will to actually fix the issue because govt. and private industry scratch each others back on back alley deals. See: social housing embezzlement/misappropriation locally here.

My guy, your logic is literally all over the place, at best of times.

"Liberals throw money at things to pretend to fix problems but don't actually do anything" - Hondaracer
"Liberals can fix a decades long socio-economic problem by throwing money at it, but they won't because they're funding wars across the world!" - Also Hondaracer
"Trudeau doesn't care about Canadians and defending Canada" - Also also Hondaracer.

You honestly think the homeless population in Vancouver and Toronto will magically disappear if suddenly they were all housed and everything will be solved?

Completely unrelated, some dunce city spokeswoman was on the radio the other day said something stupid on the lines of "if the Government doesn't give us more funding for projects, we may be forced to pass it on to the taxpayers".

Like bitch, where do you think the Government gets their money from??

[mikemhg]

I think people miss the primary reasoning behind this drug epidemic and homelessness, and that's affordability, full stop.

It's odd how people seem to have this cognitive dissonance to what is going on around them. Rent prices throughout North America (most notably on the coasts) are at the highest levels proportion to income we've ever seen. We live in a fish bowl on this forum, but people are struggling out there, big time.

This is why you're seeing what you're seeing. We can talk about drug policies, we can talk about rehabilitation, but the disparity factor is one that seriously need to be addressed as that is the root of much of the problem.

[Hondaracer]

10 billion dollars goes a long way.

The brand new St.Paul’s hospital is going to cost 2, a site that spans 18 acres.

When you actually focus on fixing a problem, you could fix it. Simply throwing money at something without a plan clearly doesn’t work, with endless examples from the current govt.

Will there ever be an audit on where all this Ukraine money actually went? Or it’s just into a general pool that no one will ever be able to track?

It’s too much to ask for any kind of accountability anymore.

Every govt. is the same, it’s not just the current liberals albeit they seem particularly bad at it. Everyone just wastes so much money on beaucracy and BS and nothing ever changes

[JDMDreams]

But hey democracy #1, rights and freedoms my guy. :ahwow: make Canada great again!

[westopher]

Canada now 1 of 7 countries including Israel, US, Hungary, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, and Nairu to vote against the resolution condemning illegal Israeli settlement in Palestine. 145 countries on the other side.
What a fucking embarrassing thing to be a part of.
Hungary basically has a fascist government, Marshall Islands and Nairu might as well be made up places, no one knows anything about Micronesia, Israel isn't going to condemn themselves, so that basically just leaves the world police and their sock puppet (us) supporting Israel. Gross.

[Traum]

Canada now 1 of 7 countries including Israel, US, Hungary, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, and Nairu to vote against the resolution condemning illegal Israeli settlement in Palestine. 145 countries on the other side.
What a fucking embarrassing thing to be a part of.

That's disgusting, esp given how Turd has been giving giving these brief TV interviews on how Israel's military action hurting Palestinians is deeply concerning. And he was saying it with such drama teacher acting gusto as if he really meant it with all that virtue signaling.

[Hondaracer]

They’re our allies bro

[SkinnyPupp]

They’re our allies bro
You asked why Canada was siding with Israel, and you got the answer. Glad you understand now, but it's weird you keep repeating it

If you disagree, make your voice heard instead of acting like a retard on forums maybe

Everyone here who says it's gross or they are disgusted by it should be doing the same thing. You're in a country where you can do stuff like that, so go do it.

[JDMDreams]

^^ also in a country that shoots at Jewish schools:fulloffuck:

[Traum]

If you disagree, make your voice heard instead of acting like a retard on forums maybe

Everyone here who says it's gross or they are disgusted by it should be doing the same thing. You're in a country where you can do stuff like that, so go do it.
The problem these days (at least in Canada) is -- it seems like the only thing democracy allows us to do is to voice our dissatisfaction, and that is pretty much the end of it. Expression your opinion to your elected political representative is pretty much useless because all they do is follow the party line. It doesn't matter how sound your reasoning is. If building a bike lane right in front of the VGH ER entrance is what the mayor wants to do -- I forgot whether it was Kennedy Stewart or Moonbeam that put it there -- no amount of complaining is going to reverse that. Or in this case, because Israel is "our ally", and because the US wants us to tag along for the ride, our PM follows through with the virtue signaling while our UN representative does the exact opposite thing.

[Hondaracer]

You asked why Canada was siding with Israel, and you got the answer. Glad you understand now, but it's weird you keep repeating it

If you disagree, make your voice heard instead of acting like a retard on forums maybe

Everyone here who says it's gross or they are disgusted by it should be doing the same thing. You're in a country where you can do stuff like that, so go do it.

So explain to me why Canada votes against the resolution, you seem to be an expert on the matter.

Please enlighten me on the reason they are one of those 7 countries

And not just they are our allies or this simple cop out BS, please explain to me why Canada sees to support them when many of their other “allies” do not and Canada has nothing to gain from it. They could easily vote for it as that’s the stupid take they’ve had all along! The two state solution! Lol ffs..

Why would I do anything for this country that doesn’t even know where it stands? I should go out and support a pro-Palestinian rally so I can be labeled some terrorist supporter? Yea right.

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ford-calls-pro-palestinian-demonstrations-hate-rallies-to-intimidate-jewish-communities/wcm/44affacf-bd33-4fa5-978a-aa50de317f7b/amp/

[Badhobz]

bro whats the point of arguing with some guy (who's actually in Hong Kong and likely wont ever come back to canad-er) online about some shit that has no relevance? As long as we are tied to the hip with the USA, we will always do what Big Brother does.

You talk like we have an option here. Protest all you want, morality isn't a consideration for global politics. Its always who you are economically and socially tied to.

go watch some porno on your new TV and wank it

[hud 91gt]

I was going to say, what’s our alternative? We’re tied to the hip. Shall we go to the other side of the schoolyard and find a new group of friends, when the big bad bully lives right next door?

The only way we can make our own independent decisions is being….
Independant.

[Hondaracer]

It has far more to do about who’s toes you’re stepping on within Canada than it does supporting the US.

[mikemhg]

I somewhat agree with Honda on this one, yes the US is our ally but Canada and the US have had disagreements in the past where we didn't outright support the US's endeavors.

Iraq is primary example.

I give credit to Obama, he was pretty hardline with Israel, I'd really be curious what type of stance he'd be taking on this whole situation if he was in power right now. Biden has a lot of ex-Obama officials in his cabinet and they're not happy with him.

For someone like Trudeau to espouse these "virtues", he sure doesn't put his money where his mouth is. The reality is he's being feckless. The AIPAC are a powerful funder and policy body in North America, he doesn't want any of that smoke.

[SkinnyPupp]

So explain to me why Canada votes against the resolution, you seem to be an expert on the matter.

Please enlighten me on the reason they are one of those 7 countries

And not just they are our allies or this simple cop out BS, please explain to me why Canada sees to support them when many of their other “allies” do not and Canada has nothing to gain from it. They could easily vote for it as that’s the stupid take they’ve had all along! The two state solution! Lol ffs..

Why would I do anything for this country that doesn’t even know where it stands? I should go out and support a pro-Palestinian rally so I can be labeled some terrorist supporter? Yea right.

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ford-calls-pro-palestinian-demonstrations-hate-rallies-to-intimidate-jewish-communities/wcm/44affacf-bd33-4fa5-978a-aa50de317f7b/amp/
You already know

And BTW when I say "this is why I think they are doing this" it doesn't mean I support it or agree with it. I think that's why you're getting so angry at me, and even good brother mikemhg said something. I'm not on that side at all

[Hondaracer]

Great response. Take a seat bro

I’m not angry at all, I just think it’s completely asinine and ignorant to think the reasoning that Canada supports Israel like they have been is just because they are “allies”

[SkinnyPupp]

Great response. Take a seat bro

I’m not angry at all, I just think it’s completely asinine and ignorant to think the reasoning that Canada supports Israel like they have been is just because they are “allies”
omg I thought you actually learned something for a change... ffs FailFish

[Badhobz]

This is Hondaracer. just replace america w/ canada and boom.
https://media.tenor.com/i9vfkuzRizsAAAAC/i-thought-this-was-america-randy-marsh.gif

[Hondaracer]

Justin does everything in his power to stop the killing of civilians and children without saying cease-fire and his buddy Benji just fucking shits on him lol

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/11/14/no-canadians-appear-in-todays-list-of-approved-names-for-rafah-border-crossing/

"Prime Minister Trudeau, Israel is defending itself in difficult conditions against a brutal terrorist organization while trying to rescue babies, children, women and men who are being held hostage," Lapid wrote on X.

"If Canada ever found itself under a sustained and brutal attack like the one we face now, you would find Israel by your side," he added.
"We expect the same support."


:lol

[pastarocket]

Justin does everything in his power to stop the killing of civilians and children without saying cease-fire and his buddy Benji just fucking shits on him lol

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/11/14/no-canadians-appear-in-todays-list-of-approved-names-for-rafah-border-crossing/



:lol

The local Palestinians are shitting on Turd too lol. -took about 100 cops to protect the PM from the protesters' chanting "Ceasefire now!" when Turd was trying to have dinner at Vij's. :lawl:

Some of those motherfuckers assaulted an officer too. No surprise:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/11/14/trudeau-vancouver-restaurant-demonstrators/

27-year-old Coquitlam man was arrested for assaulting a police officer. Vancouver police claim the man punched an officer in the face and “had her eyes gouged while dispersing protesters.”

The officer received medical treatment for injuries to her face, however, Addison says it’s yet to be determined if she is going to have to miss work as a result of the incident.

Do those pro-Palestinian demonstrators really think that Turd would ask the Israeli PM for a ceasefire? :facepalm:

[JDMDreams]

I bet they won't be yelling cease fire if their kids and family got shot up, killed and kid napped as hostages by their neighbors. :suspicious:

[CivicBlues]

What a surprise, pro-Hamas supporters attack a FEMALE police officer. Just a friendly reminder a lot of these guys are probably huge misogynists as well.

[mikemhg]

I'll be the first to say fuck those knuckle-dragging cocksuckers.

The fuck are they even protesting Trudeau while he's having dinner anyways? We're not the US, we're not Israel, Canada is a fart in the wind when it comes to middle east foreign policy.

They're barking up the wrong damn tree.

[whitev70r]

JT gets heckled and harassed at home in Canada by Pro Palestinian libs and he gets chided publicly by Netanyahu abroad.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you want Canada to stop, you're going to have to convince them to break ties with America.

Good luck with that!

[Hondaracer]

JT gets heckled and harassed at home in Canada by Pro Palestinian libs and he gets chided publicly by Netanyahu abroad.

He can’t go out in public period.

You know you’ve done a lot right when that’s the case. He’s worth 100+ mill though so I’m sure he’ll be on some private island once he finally abandons Canada completely

[westopher]

Trudeau is fucked. This was the nail in the coffin. He alienated the right along time ago, honestly, to his credit, in many ways, by at least bringing up some injustices with the lgbtq community, indigenous, and other racially marginalized groups, however, he didn't really deliver as much as he implied they would, now, he's completely alienated the left by clowning himself by not standing up for anything on the public stage by denouncing the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians.

[Traum]

Well... the polls are now saying that PeePee is gonna take a huge majority in parliament if the election were to be held today, so at this point, it seems like both Turd and the Libs are doomed. Even if Turd were to step down now, it is already too late for public sentiments to swing back towards to the Libs enough to turn the tide.

The ironic thing is -- it seems to me that it isn't until recently when Turd and the federal gov have finally actually started to do something meaningful to address various long standing problems. Had they been more sensitive to public needs and sentiments, and did exactly the same thing as they are doing now, but at a much earlier time -- say, 12 - 18 months ago, soon after they were re-elected -- I'm sure they'd be polling far, far better now.

But the current failings are all of their own doing. And even though I'd really hate to see PeePee become PM -- and with a huge majority in Parliament too -- it looks like that's the reality we will see in 2 years.

[whitev70r]

Well... the polls are now saying that PeePee is gonna take a huge majority in parliament if the election were to be held today, so at this point, it seems like both Turd and the Libs are doomed. Even if Turd were to step down now, it is already too late for public sentiments to swing back towards to the Libs enough to turn the tide.

But the current failings are all of their own doing. And even though I'd really hate to see PeePee become PM -- and with a huge majority in Parliament too -- it looks like that's the reality we will see 2 years.

But election isn't today or tomorrow ... a lot can happen in 2 yrs son. It's like the Cons are leading 4-0 in the 1st period. I think if JT steps aside and Libs put another face to the brand .. who knows? I think it's possible to turn the tide. Certainly possible not to hand the Cons a majority (giving them free reign for 4 yrs), maybe even making the election close and Cons have a small minority is a 'win' for the Libs.

[MarkyMark]

I mean we're probably heading into somewhat of a recession so I don't see JT's approval going up in the next year or so if anything he's going to be getting shit on even more when everyone's choked about renewing their mortgage and having no money whether it's his fault or not.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/OQpXhtZ.jpg

[JDMDreams]

Even if pp wins? What's he gonna do, Israel ain't stopping till the job is done. Sanction the Jews? :lawl: we can't even get rid of keep track of our homeless + sex offenders

[GS8]

What a surprise, pro-Hamas supporters attack a FEMALE police officer. Just a friendly reminder a lot of these guys are probably huge misogynists as well.

Everyday, I hear about 'rise of anti semitism' in the news. Unless there's been an uptick in white sheets, mein kampf, and deliverance soundtrack sales, we all know the source of the rise.

[CivicBlues]

https://i.imgur.com/OQpXhtZ.jpg

Nah just some vocal yahoos. Most Canadians couldn't give two fucks about it.

Also blaming Trudeau for not ending the Gaza war is peak derangement.

[Hondaracer]

Yea cause that’s what that’s getting at lol come on

Kill a million babies, I don’t care. Just don’t act like ya do and then not call a cease fire JT ya fuckin knob

Kinda laugh that South Africa, the bastion of equality and justice is threatening to shut down their Israeli embassy and kick out Israeli representatives if they don’t allow humanitarian aid, while Canada can’t do much else than have JT tweet from Vij’s

[mikemhg]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/16/israel-drops-leaflets-warning-people-to-flee-southern-gaza-towns

Israel: "Yo, move to the south it's safe there"
Israel: "K, yo, move north now, south ain't safe anymore" :lol
*Bombs* :ilied:

It's becoming quite apparent what Israel is doing here, and it's pretty sick. Where are they gonna flee then?

But cue the next report from the IDF where they find a few AK47s strewn about and a sewage tunnel in a hospital and call it "Hamas's Terrorist Tunnels".

[Hondaracer]

Hamas Tunnels are Israel’s WMD’s?

[EvoFire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

Posted it in the wrong thread. Interesting video, I don't know which way it slants though.

[whitev70r]

Definitely tilts towards Israel and against Palestine ... listed the many times that International community and Israel offered the 2 state solution but it was rejected by Palestinian leaders.

[Blueboy222]

freeeeeee

[mikemhg]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-oks-potential-sale-tank-cartridges-israel-1065-mln-2023-12-09/

Hamas must be hiding their tanks in those tunnels, eh? :lol

[inv4zn]

Was at Metrotown on Friday, and there was a group of Palestinian supporters marching around the mall.
They also pulled this little stunt.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA3z2aiaUAAjxS6?format=jpg&name=small

It's almost funny, we were there right at this time, and my 3.5 year old wanted to go to Chapters but I had to tell her no, we don't have time - we would have run right into this. We were eating at the food court when they came and shouted a bunch.

I'm fairly neutral in this conflict, I can see both sides have both valid points, as well as a proven history of doing shitty things - but this kind of 'protest' is, in my opinion, fucking stupid.

Like ok I get it, the people you're related to are suffering greatly back home, but how is inconveniencing thousands of people across the world, on private property, while screaming "free Gaza" into an Aliexpress PA system where everything is garbled once you're 10 feet away going to gather any support? Also the way they were doing this just made it seem like they were waiting for Israeli supporters to come up and pick a fight. I honestly think the only reason security didn't remove them was because the mall would get bad PR so they told them to not do anything.

But but we're raising awareness! Yeah ok, I'm sure the people who now have tinnitus who also have to explain to their kids why grown ass adults are laying in the middle of the mall with red and white bedsheets are now sympathetic to your cause, as you go home in your warm car to your warm house as you feel warm and fuzzy inside because "you made a difference." This, again IMO, is no different than the people who glue themselves onto roads to "raise awareness" for climate change. It's counter-productive, and is the worst kind of virtue signaling.

/rant

[Hondaracer]

Well yea I’m sure they are all the exact same groups. Professional protestors, woke “students” trying to make a name for themselves in their liberal studies groups etc.

The actual Palestinian people who go to the organized rallies at the art gallery etc. seem much more connected and reasonable then people banging on the windows of a Starbucks

Fast forward a few years and I’m sure these people will find some new thing to “protest” once they’ve long forgotten about this conflict.

[mikemhg]

I totally agree, really quick way to get people to not support your cause.

They're better off catching a flight to DC and doing that shit on Capitol Hill.

[JDMDreams]

Those protesters probably won't last an afternoon in real Palestine. We should send them over to Gaza to support Hamas

[Badhobz]

You should have just walked up to all of them and said Shalom!, Shalom!

[CivicBlues]

Mazel Tov! I think would be more appropriate

[pastarocket]

Israeli military killed three Israeli hostages by accident. :facepalm:

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-12-15-23/index.html


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has spoken of his “deep sorrow” at what he called the “unbearable tragedy” of the deaths of three Israeli hostages in Gaza who were accidentally shot by Israeli soldiers.

“Along with all the people of Israel, I bow my head with deep sorrow and mourn the death of three of our dear sons who were kidnapped, among them are Yotam Haim and Samer Fouad Al-Talalka,” he said on X, formerly Twitter

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[whitev70r]

^ Damn, more details coming out ... how the hell does that happen?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67738111

Three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by Israeli soldiers in Gaza were shot dead while holding a white cloth, an Israeli military official says.

An Israeli military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said an initial investigation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) suggested the three hostages emerged shirtless from a building, with one carrying a stick with a white cloth.

The hostages - Yotam Haim, 28, Samer Talalka, 22, and Alon Shamriz, 26 - were killed in Shejaiya on Friday.

[westopher]

Give a military commands to shoot any living being on site indiscriminately and here we are. They are talking a little more about this than the Israelis they killed at the music festival for the same reason.

[underscore]

I'm half surprised they aren't claiming the hostages were actually carrying weapons for Hamas.

[mikemhg]

^ Damn, more details coming out ... how the hell does that happen?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67738111

Three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by Israeli soldiers in Gaza were shot dead while holding a white cloth, an Israeli military official says.

An Israeli military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said an initial investigation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) suggested the three hostages emerged shirtless from a building, with one carrying a stick with a white cloth.

The hostages - Yotam Haim, 28, Samer Talalka, 22, and Alon Shamriz, 26 - were killed in Shejaiya on Friday.

The IDF are pretty much an amateur army decked out with the most advanced kit you can get.

From a personnel perspective, the IDF aren't elite, their equipment is.

[Badhobz]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gov-t-to-offer-3-year-visas-to-canadians-extended-family-in-gaza-starting-in-2024-1.6697076

Here we go again. Those Syrians worked out real fucking well last time. Let’s do more of this.
Where’s my batch of Ukrainian women ?!!!!

[CivicBlues]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gov-t-to-offer-3-year-visas-to-canadians-extended-family-in-gaza-starting-in-2024-1.6697076

Here we go again. Those Syrians worked out real fucking well last time. Let’s do more of this.
Where’s my batch of Ukrainian women ?!!!!

They're here, they just usually blend in as WASP-y blonde sorority types. But once they open their mouths you know. :fullofwin:

Don't worry Hondaracer is going to open up his basement suites to 4 or 5 of these Gazans right? riiight?

[Hondaracer]

My dad’s company (large corpo American) hired 2 Ukrainian refugees recently, met them both at a house party, kind, hard working people.

I’d rather not have people who adamantly oppose my way of life living with me though. I’m kinda confused.. now we’re housing and cutting visas for the enemies of our AlLiES?

In b4 next Boston bombing?

[murd0c]

My job interviewed a number of new Ukrainians that just landed a week before. They do seem like they are good hard working people. Wanting to come here and start a life by getting a job and working like most new Canadians should. It seems like a large group of other new Canadians want to get free money from our government and want an easy life which is not ok in my books.

I have nothing against the Palestine people but I find it scary that there could be a good chance they are coming here to force their beliefs on us and have other ulterior motives which I so hope isn't the case.

[Hondaracer]

It’s not only that, none of them WANT to be here. But it’s better than 20 members of your family being crushed by rubble.

Hey, it’s what Canada wanted. (The rubble I mean)

[murd0c]

Which I don't understand, you come to a country that you don't want to be in? If that's the case you should stay home and fight but sadly they ran away with their tail between their legs. They should be happy they have a chance to live and not worry about getting bombed and dying.

[inv4zn]

Which I don't understand, you come to a country that you don't want to be in? If that's the case you should stay home and fight but sadly they ran away with their tail between their legs. They should be happy they have a chance to live and not worry about getting bombed and dying.

This is a stupid argument - if my asshole neighbour sets my house on fire and I have no choice but to go to Motel 6, I'll probably be thankful the first 2 nights. But after that I think I have a right to complain about the pubic hair underneath my pillow that smells like cigarettes.

These people literally had their lives bombed and you blame them for running away to wherever they could at the moment. Smh.

[SkinnyPupp]

Iran’s president, foreign minister and others found dead at helicopter crash site (https://apnews.com/article/iran-president-ebrahim-raisi-426c6f4ae2dd1f0801c73875bb696f48)

https://x.com/hdagres/status/1792379762897523087

Iran's president dead, along with their foreign minister who was imminently going to replace him

No word on how it crashed, but it's 30 year old helicopter which was guaranteed to be severely badly maintained

[JD¹³]

The Bell 212 is a really robust and reliable aircraft with massive availability of parts due to its widespread use (I've flown one, and the B412). They were flying in strong winds, heavy rain, and low visibility mist/fog in mountainous terrain. This was a Kobe Bryant scenario: poor pilot decision making.

[mikemhg]

^Kobe!

EDIT: Beat me to it

[Manic!]

My job interviewed a number of new Ukrainians that just landed a week before. They do seem like they are good hard working people. Wanting to come here and start a life by getting a job and working like most new Canadians should. It seems like a large group of other new Canadians want to get free money from our government and want an easy life which is not ok in my books.

I have nothing against the Palestine people but I find it scary that there could be a good chance they are coming here to force their beliefs on us and have other ulterior motives which I so hope isn't the case.

Bitch please. My employee from India just paid 24k for his next semester at VIU. He works his ass off and is one of the best employees we have ever had. I don't see many people from India without jobs. most are working more than one.

As for the beliefs of people from Palestine. Hard right Muslims and cons share the same beliefs. All these trad wife losers want a women that's a SHAM, dresses modestly, and is a virgin before marriage. Lines right up with what hard right Muslims believe.

Boiler Room set from Palestine. 5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VYKrtziSg

[Badhobz]

Bitch please. My employee from India just paid 24k for his next semester at VIU. He works his ass off and is one of the best employees we have ever had. I don't see many people from India without jobs. most are working more than one.

As for the beliefs of people from Palestine. Hard right Muslims and cons share the same beliefs. All these trad wife losers want a women that's a SHAM, dresses modestly, and is a virgin before marriage. Lines right up with what hard right Muslims believe.

Boiler Room set from Palestine. 5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VYKrtziSg

Oh for sure brown people work hard. That’s why they’ve filled all the jobs us lazy ass Canadians won’t do. Like berry picking, ghetto construction jobs, labor positions and agricultural work.

Without them, this country wouldn’t run.

I don’t know if these other immigrant groups would be as inclined to work like this while shacking up 10 into a 1 bedroom, but that’s their competition. I tip my hat to you gurpreet, you fucking hero you

[Manic!]

Image being 20 and living at home. Someone offers you a job at a ski resort in the Swiss alps. the only downside is you would have to live with 5 other dudes in a one bedroom. Would you take it?

[Hondaracer]

Image being 20 and living at home. Someone offers you a job at a ski resort in the Swiss alps. the only downside is you would have to live with 5 other dudes in a one bedroom. Would you take it?

Your justifications for turning everything into the 3rd world are gross/hilarious.

Countries like Switzerland aren’t forced to use 3rd world unskilled labour because they value their citizens and have created a society where they can rely on their own citizens to staff jobs people view as below them etc.

Here in Canada we blew our loud at the expense of a few, and now we have 30 guys living in a basement suite so we can have a tim hortons every other block.

Canada shot itself in the foot and now even Turd, the Indian guys biggest advocate is having regrets about the paths they took.

When I was in Switzerland the cashier as a tiny grocery store spoke German, French, and Mandarin. They are skilled people working unskilled jobs because they’ve incentivized an economy where people feel valued working them.

Here you see the guy working behind the counter of a Tim’s or Wendy’s and think who is this fucking loser

[Badhobz]

Image being 20 and living at home. Someone offers you a job at a ski resort in the Swiss alps. the only downside is you would have to live with 5 other dudes in a one bedroom. Would you take it?

I dont know how to ski, so for me its no bueno :badpokerface:

What? we were too poor growing up to learn these leisure activities.

We only got leisure activity learnings that were free or basically free..

swimming (free pool days on tuesdays, and uhhh saturday i believe)
bicycling (got a bike from value village)

and thats about it....

[SkinnyPupp]

The Bell 212 is a really robust and reliable aircraft with massive availability of parts due to its widespread use (I've flown one, and the B412). They were flying in strong winds, heavy rain, and low visibility mist/fog in mountainous terrain. This was a Kobe Bryant scenario: poor pilot decision making.
Always appreciate when you share your knowledge SeemsGood

[Manic!]

Your justifications for turning everything into the 3rd world are gross/hilarious.

Countries like Switzerland aren’t forced to use 3rd world unskilled labour because they value their citizens and have created a society where they can rely on their own citizens to staff jobs people view as below them etc.

Here in Canada we blew our loud at the expense of a few, and now we have 30 guys living in a basement suite so we can have a tim hortons every other block.

Canada shot itself in the foot and now even Turd, the Indian guys biggest advocate is having regrets about the paths they took.

When I was in Switzerland the cashier as a tiny grocery store spoke German, French, and Mandarin. They are skilled people working unskilled jobs because they’ve incentivized an economy where people feel valued working them.

Here you see the guy working behind the counter of a Tim’s or Wendy’s and think who is this fucking loser

You missed the whole point of my post.

FYI: both our employees can speak and write 3 languages. One graduated from university in India the other is going to VIU.

How many languages do you speak and write and what university did you graduate from?

[Badhobz]

Yeah but that’s moot bro….. jagmeet can speak and write 3 languages (probably with a huge fucking accent on the Engrish) but he still works at your gas station for minimal wage ?

I don’t care if Honda is a high school drop out, he’s still doing better than sunjeet there.

Just saying…. They might work hard but it’s a friggin uphill battle if you ain’t from around here.

[Manic!]

Yeah but that’s moot bro….. jagmeet can speak and write 3 languages (probably with a huge fucking accent on the Engrish) but he still works at your gas station for minimal wage ?

I don’t care if Honda is a high school drop out, he’s still doing better than sunjeet there.

Just saying…. They might work hard but it’s a friggin uphill battle if you ain’t from around here.

Doing better for now. The older employee just bought a house with her husband. A lot of Indians you see working at tims or walmart are overqualified for that job but that's all they can get as new immigrants.

[PeanutButter]

Isn't that typical for immigrants? They work their ass off so they can give their family a better life. The only issue is working hard these days doesn't pay off the same as it did back in the 80's/90's.

That being said, I would take hard work over talent any day of the week. You can't teach hard work.

[JDMDreams]

^ work smart not hard:pokerface:

[Hakkaboy]

Bitch please. My employee from India just paid 24k for his next semester at VIU. He works his ass off and is one of the best employees we have ever had. I don't see many people from India without jobs. most are working more than one.

As for the beliefs of people from Palestine. Hard right Muslims and cons share the same beliefs. All these trad wife losers want a women that's a SHAM, dresses modestly, and is a virgin before marriage. Lines right up with what hard right Muslims believe.

Boiler Room set from Palestine. 5 years ago.


$24K for a semester at Malaspina College????

[Manic!]

$24K for a semester at Malaspina College????

International students pay 3x what Canadians do.

[CivicBlues]

$8K for a semester at Malaspina College????

[Manic!]

$8K for a semester at Malaspina College????

I will ask him again. Maybe it was 24k for the year.

[Badhobz]

I drove by langara today and thought this was comical
https://i.postimg.cc/XJQYR2C9/IMG-8446.jpg

[PeanutButter]

$24k has to be for the year.

My entire four-year degree at UBC was less than $20k, that was in 2010.

[Razor Ramon HG]

$24k has to be for the year.

My entire four-year degree at UBC was less than $20k, that was in 2010.

Yeah, should be for the year.

I dated an international student 10 years ago and her tuition was like $8000 a semester.

[Badhobz]

thats still nothing compared to the US. My law school tuition in Stanford was almost 80,000USD not including room and board.

these schmucks shouldnt be bitching

[mikemhg]

thats still nothing compared to the US. My law school tuition in Stanford was almost 80,000USD not including room and board.

these schmucks shouldnt be bitching

I'm still baffled you took law at Stanford, then proceeded to work on trains and then the docks with a bunch of coke sniffing HAs :lol

[Badhobz]

Well with the way I talk you shouldn’t be surprised. I think their monocles dropped when I opened my mouth at Stanford. They thought I came from Oakland. They weren’t that far off.


Bitches

[murd0c]

wait, did you finish your law degree?

[Badhobz]

Nope. Left after the first year.. too expensive and I couldn’t stand the douchey trust fund kids

[GLOW]

I'm still baffled you took law at Stanford, then proceeded to work on trains and then the docks with a bunch of coke sniffing HAs :lol

Badhobz our own RS version of Better Call Saul :considered:

S'all Badhobz! *fingergun* + *click noise*

[SkinnyPupp]

Israel has offered ceasefire and hostage proposal to Hamas, says Biden (https://news.sky.com/story/israel-has-offered-ceasefire-and-hostage-proposal-to-hamas-says-biden-13146193)

[Manic!]

This is crazy. I wonder if they could do the same with phones.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireless-devices-explode-hands-owners-lebanon-hezbollah/story?id=113754706

9 dead, thousands injured after pagers explode across Lebanon: Health officials

[Mikoyan]

Double post.

[Mikoyan]

This is crazy. I wonder if they could do the same with phones.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireless-devices-explode-hands-owners-lebanon-hezbollah/story?id=113754706

Highly likely. Samsung did the reverse and forced Note 7s to not charge and keep the battery to 15% back when they were exploding.

Jury's still out as to the primary cause. Was it a software attack to overload the lithium battery, or were the devices rigged with hidden explosives?

[JDMDreams]

This is some 007 shit :ahwow:

[EvoFire]

That sounds like something out of a movie....

[murd0c]

if they can do that with pagers just think what they could do with our cell phones... It's scary as fuck

[GLOW]

if they can do that with pagers just think what they could do with our cell phones... It's scary as fuck

if it's possible with cell phones, depending on the tech, what's stopping them from using it on EV's, don't they have GPS/cell etc in their infotainment / tech systems as well?

[Badhobz]

what are those guys doing with pagers!? seems weird to use such an ancient technology

[murd0c]

if it's possible with cell phones, depending on the tech, what's stopping them from using it on EV's, don't they have GPS/cell etc in their infotainment / tech systems as well?

this day and age anything seems possible, look at what war has turned drones into. We are really living in a scary age.

[mikemhg]

They felt pagers were safer due to tracking purposes as opposed to smart phones.

It's not known whether Mossad was able to infiltrate their pager supply network and add small explosives into the devices, or that there's some way to utilize malware to superheat the batteries to cause such an explosion.

I think the former, it would be nuts that you can create an explosion like that simply from a small battery.

[Badhobz]

dem jews are crafty sons of bitches! pager explosions that cause death and destruction to thousands?! this is straight out of a Hollywood movie man

cant help but to think these neighboring Arab nations are gonna all storm Israel one of these days because enough is enough.

[StylinRed]

what are those guys doing with pagers!? seems weird to use such an ancient technology

It's not just hezzbollah using pagers, emergency services use it too, even in Europe, because it's cheap and more reliable, especially in emergency situations since cell networks would be overloaded

Lebanon is a population mix of insanely wealthy and poverty stricken, and those in poverty use pagers for work too

Hence the wide range in population from the injured and deceased (edlery, children, etc)

The injuries look like lithium battery pack explosions that china had a crisis of years ago, but pagers have even smaller batteries than power banks, so I imagine Israel got into the manufacturing supply rather than using malware to explode the pagers

[GLOW]

this day and age anything seems possible, look at what war has turned drones into. We are really living in a scary age.

inb4
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[!LittleDragon]

Dunno about you but the last time I used a pager, it was either a AA or AAA battery. No point in having a rechargeable battery in it because a single AA can keep it going for a month.

For an explosion to happen, you need a pressure vessel to build up pressure. Batteries are built to vent if they overheat. I guess the pager housing can hold some pressure but it's full of holes and probably held together with 2 screws.

Something else had to have been in the pager for it to explode.

[Hakkaboy]

dem jews are crafty sons of bitches! pager explosions that cause death and destruction to thousands?! this is straight out of a Hollywood movie man

cant help but to think these neighboring Arab nations are gonna all storm Israel one of these days because enough is enough.

don't forget about the jewish space lasers causing wildfires lol

[mikemhg]

I don't have skin in the game here, but how is Israel given runway to do this kind of stuff?

If Iran conducted this type of operation, the world would've considered this a terrorist attack, yet Israel can indiscriminately blow up thousands of pagers (without even knowing who is holding the pager, and is currently in presence with that individual)?

It's stuff like this that give credence to people being against Israel, they seem to always be the aggressors here, using their tech to beta test their latest and greatest murder machines on innocents.

[Hondaracer]

Bra.. it’s obviously about power and influence lol what else could it be?

Why do Kamala and Trump spend all their talking points about specific groups of people on Jews who make up 5% of the American population?

Power, money, influence, as much as people got their panties in a bunch early on in this thread, what else is it.

Hamas killed what, 1200 people that day of the raid? Now Israel has killed 50,000 and no one reports on that or cares? Lol

Follow da money

Also as you said, now you’ve got Israel operating in foreign countries going after targets which are dragging their “allies” closer and closer into these internal conflicts and no one bats an eye.

[Badhobz]

Yeah it’s pretty fucked up. Western narratives for the last 20 years has always been

Anti Muslim
Anti China
Anti Russia

If you fall within any of these 3 groups gg. Axis of evil

[Hondaracer]

When you look at how fucked up the US has left places over the last 100 years, you really question who the “bad guy” is

There’s so many world altering events that have happened over time that changed the world, ultimately for the worse, through western intervention

[westopher]

When was the last time the US really succeeded unanimously when it comes to military intervention? WW2?
I don't really know about the Korean War or what happened there other than MASH. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq were all objectively left more fucked than before by US troops on the ground, never mind the atrocities committed by US soldiers to citizens in all of those conflicts.

[SkinnyPupp]

When was the last time the US really succeeded unanimously when it comes to military intervention? WW2?
I don't really know about the Korean War or what happened there other than MASH. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq were all objectively left more fucked than before by US troops on the ground, never mind the atrocities committed by US soldiers to citizens in all of those conflicts.
It depends on how acceptable it would be if most of the countries in Asia became Chinese colonies

[JDMDreams]

No Chinese colonies but ok for Indian colonies to exist? When they bombing Canada?

[Badhobz]

^ Wat ?!

[EvoFire]

When was the last time the US really succeeded unanimously when it comes to military intervention? WW2?
I don't really know about the Korean War or what happened there other than MASH. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq were all objectively left more fucked than before by US troops on the ground, never mind the atrocities committed by US soldiers to citizens in all of those conflicts.

Desert Storm was a success?

They really had no business in Iraq. It was a manufactured war. And I agree Middle East is in no better place now than before.

I'd argue South Korea is better off because of US influence.

If they ever got involved in a war over Taiwan, there would be zero winners. Everyone loses.


I still have a hard time believing this one is real. It's a little out of the realm of my belief that a tiny little battery can do that much damage.

[JDMDreams]

They still haven't released the hostages, yet they still fire missiles into Israel + capture ships.

[SkinnyPupp]

Desert Storm was a success?

They really had no business in Iraq. It was a manufactured war. And I agree Middle East is in no better place now than before.

I'd argue South Korea is better off because of US influence.

If they ever got involved in a war over Taiwan, there would be zero winners. Everyone loses.


I still have a hard time believing this one is real. It's a little out of the realm of my belief that a tiny little battery can do that much damage.
Everyone used to see Russia as a huge military power. The US and NATO have been able to destroy half their military power just by supplying Ukraine with expiring 90's weaponry, without even having to send troops. They're just starting to give them upgrades now.

Putin is sending his country back decades just by continuing the attack

[SkinnyPupp]

Insane

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireless-devices-explode-hands-owners-lebanon-hezbollah/story

[noclue]

Desert Storm was a success?

They really had no business in Iraq. It was a manufactured war. And I agree Middle East is in no better place now than before.

I'd argue South Korea is better off because of US influence.

If they ever got involved in a war over Taiwan, there would be zero winners. Everyone loses.


I still have a hard time believing this one is real. It's a little out of the realm of my belief that a tiny little battery can do that much damage.

Ehh, the first one was to defend kuwait (and oil) the second one + afghanistan was the disaster. I wonder what a powerhouse the US would be today if they didn't incur massive amounts of debt from that war. Probably have free healthcare but gotta fund the war machine.

[StylinRed]

I don't have skin in the game here, but how is Israel given runway to do this kind of stuff?

If Iran conducted this type of operation, the world would've considered this a terrorist attack, yet Israel can indiscriminately blow up thousands of pagers (without even knowing who is holding the pager, and is currently in presence with that individual)?

It's stuff like this that give credence to people being against Israel, they seem to always be the aggressors here, using their tech to beta test their latest and greatest murder machines on innocents.

The world does try to intervene time and again through in resolutions or even by force in rare occurrences, but big daddy USA always puts a stop to it

[MG1]

I don't follow what goes on in the Middle East. Death, destruction, whathaveyou............ such violence.

Gotta find something good in all of this, right?

https://www.instagram.com/hot_idf_girls/?hl=en

[pastarocket]

First it was pagers exploding. Then it is walkie-talkies exploding for Hezbollah members.

They should go old school and use carrier pigeons to communicate. :lawl:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-pagers-explode-hezbollah-israel-09-18-24-intl-hnk/index.html

[bcrdukes]

That's insane and unfortunate. Children being a casualty of this is just awful.

To orchestrate an explosive device being planted in so many devices is wild.

[Badhobz]

this is why organized religion sucks. Its the root cause of so much human suffering throughout the ages

its funny how all these religions are based on principles of "peace"

[unit]

peace for me but not for thee

[EvoFire]

First it was pagers exploding. Then it is walkie-talkies exploding for Hezbollah members.

They should go old school and use carrier pigeons to communicate. :lawl:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/lebanon-pagers-explode-hezbollah-israel-09-18-24-intl-hnk/index.html

That really boggles the mind. With pagers at least you can call them a connected device. Walkie-talkies aren't technically connected so it must be planted? And to have such widespread distribution is insane.

[Hehe]

I think we are witnessing the Muslim/Jewish version of the Crusades. :fuckthatshit:

[mikemhg]

Something really bothers me about what Israel did here. They're not in a literal war with Lebanon, this is pure terrorism.

This type of thing is so indiscriminate, no way to confirm who is in possession of these pagers, how can that person be legitimately deemed an enemy or someone worth killing in such a brutal way?

I say brutal by the way because a lot of these people ended up suffering perforated bowels/stomachs as a result of these explosions which is a wickedly cruel and slow way to injure/maim/kill a person.

[Hondaracer]

They already killed 10,000 Palestinian children, morals seem an afterthought

[bcrdukes]

I forgot about the world of pagers. Pagers, while they have their uses, seem so primitive in the world we live in with smartphones and all. Feels like I've taken the technology evolution for granted.

[westopher]

This absolutely secures the IDF and this entire operation being terrorism, if you didn't already know that before. The only difference between them and isis is that they aren't a threat to American soil.

[JDMDreams]

USA wants to sell weapons to Taiwan again, I wonder if those will blow up remotely too :joy: