[inv4zn]

Surprised nobody's made a thread yet, considering all the Geopolitical experts we have on here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-conflict-live-updates-rcna119362

Looking back at the last 100 years and this is pretty much how world wars get started - with multiple military conflicts in an area. All that needs to happen now is China attacks the US or something.

There are also reports of gatherings in Toronto w/ Palestinian flags cheering and partying.

[inv4zn]

Good historical background summary here:
https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict

[inv4zn]

Generally Hamas is doing atrocious things from any objective perspective, as they've been doing for years.

Setting up bases under hospitals and other civilian establishments so when Israel bombs them they can play it off. There are videos online of civilian corpses being dragged around streets. And people around them rejoicing.

All in all they've written Israel a blank check to bomb the shit out of Palestine, and they're planning to use that to further feed the hate.

Egypt and Iran have come out in support of Palestine. Suspicions that Russia is involved also.

[Traum]

While I certainly do not condone Palestine / Hamas attacking Israel, I am also not blind to the on-going brutality and bullying that Israel has done against Palestinians. In that regard, I am really disgusted by how US and Canada have come out to re-iterate how Israel has the right to defend itself.

In this conflict, Israel is every bit as guilty as Palestine is.

[Manic!]

The video's coming out are crazy. They are literally kidnapping families. Hamas used powered gliders to infiltrate Isreal. I don't know how Israel was caught sleeping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5vPfqtJBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVUxvp6Ah0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nimm46GSqbw

This was a rave that was happening when they attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ83Q7tM4A0

[SkinnyPupp]

While I certainly do not condone Palestine / Hamas attacking Israel, I am also not blind to the on-going brutality and bullying that Israel has done against Palestinians. In that regard, I am really disgusted by how US and Canada have come out to re-iterate how Israel has the right to defend itself.

In this conflict, Israel is every bit as guilty as Palestine is.
Yup this has been going on for centuries, with both sides fighting over whatever. (edit: I take this part back)

As for US and Canada, Israel is their ally, so that's what they're going to say. The Palestinians are allied with Iran and Russia (and that's it - all other Islamic countries consider them terrorists), and they'll say the attacks are justified.

Two sides to a coin... Which side do you want Canada to be on? Russia's and Iran's?

Seems like Israel is just going to wipe the Gaza Strip off the map and be done with it

Somewhat nervous

Those videos are more horrific than any move I've ever seen

[Badhobz]

knock knock

who is it?

Hamas!!!! *explodes*

[N.V.M.]

can hardly wait for the eye for an eye part!

[whitev70r]

This is not going to end well. Maybe the leader of Hamas and Natanyahu can go into the Octagon and settle it once and for all, or good old Western fast gun draw duo, and leave the avg person alone.

[MG1]

can hardly wait for the eye for an eye part!

An eye for an eye and we all go blind.

[Hondaracer]

While I certainly do not condone Palestine / Hamas attacking Israel, I am also not blind to the on-going brutality and bullying that Israel has done against Palestinians. In that regard, I am really disgusted by how US and Canada have come out to re-iterate how Israel has the right to defend itself.

In this conflict, Israel is every bit as guilty as Palestine is.

Jews have the power, period. There’s so many important people in powerful positions they don’t want to offend. Toronto also has many powerful Jews hence the condemnation from Olivia chow and ford.

Who are Palestinians of note?

Palestinians are like district 9 bugs, maybe this time Israel will squash them once and for all.

The conflict is super complicated and far more than any of us will ever understand, but there is a human side of the Palestinians that always goes overlooked for the sake of the Israelis. I’ve watched many documentaries (biased or not who knows) where isrealis have pushed these gated communities into palistinian settlements basically just provoking tensions against people who are already in an extremely tough spot and have been for decades

While Hamas is obviously crazy and terrible bla bla, the Israelis have really created them on their own through their actions.

[Alpine]

This is never going to end. I hate to say this but I admit I am numb to all these geopolitical/political conflicts.

[Hondaracer]

Lol what a clown word we live in.

https://i.imgur.com/qkUNDI7.jpg

Wonder what JT thinks about these “protests”

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/more-than-1-000-people-gather-in-toronto-in-support-of-palestinian-people-1.6594493

Edit* I will say this isn’t a JT issue or really con/liberal issue it’s our govt and Canada as a whole “standing” with Israel and hanging their flag on parliament after they just flattened a bunch of residential high rises filled with innocent people.

They support Israel because the power and influence Jewish people wield in Canada. Plain and simple

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh we're going straight to "Jews have all the power" territory now.. Why am I not surprised LUL

[Hondaracer]

Oh we're going straight to "Jews have all the power" territory now.. Why am I not surprised LUL

Word it however you want. You don’t bite the hand that feeds

For a big portion of recent history Jews were the largest minority in Toronto and it had one of the biggest Jewish communities outside of Israel. A HUGE portion of wealth resides within the Jewish community in Toronto.

Who cares about poor muslims? Why would politicians stand up for people who are irrelevant to them

[Hondaracer]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFCJ4NN4Dk

Obviously a one sided take but interesting and hard not to take his points in terms of for Jews, this was a few days, for Palestinians, this has been decades.

[SkinnyPupp]

Word it however you want. You don’t bite the hand that feeds

For a big portion of recent history Jews were the largest minority in Toronto and it had one of the biggest Jewish communities outside of Israel. A HUGE portion of wealth resides within the Jewish community in Toronto.

Who cares about poor muslims? Why would politicians stand up for people who are irrelevant to them
These particular 'poor Muslims' want to literally take over the world and tell you how to live, and that includes taking away all basic human rights from anyone who isn't a Muslim male. That includes cutting off the head of anyone who disagrees with them.

Even the Arab states in the territory consider them terrorists and want nothing to do with them.

Who do you think is going to support that?

Iran, and Russia.

And do you think that's because they agree with their policies? No, they are supporting them because it fucks with their enemies. Those enemies are basically everyone, Jewish or not. Because they also would like to rule the world and tell people how to live. They will wipe out these "poor Muslims" the moment they are no longer useful to their goals.

"But the Jews have all the power"

You do know what it looks like when you go straight to that, right?

[donk.]

Geopolitical experts we have on here.

[.
I was about to say keep hondaracers name out of your post

But then the last 4 of 7 posts are hondaracer lol....

[Hondaracer]

These particular 'poor Muslims' want to literally take over the world and tell you how to live, and that includes taking away all basic human rights from anyone who isn't a Muslim male. That includes cutting off the head of anyone who disagrees with them.

Even the Arab states in the territory consider them terrorists and want nothing to do with them.

Who do you think is going to support that?

Iran, and Russia.

And do you think that's because they agree with their policies? No, they are supporting them because it fucks with their enemies. Those enemies are basically everyone, Jewish or not. Because they also would like to rule the world and tell people how to live. They will wipe out these "poor Muslims" the moment they are no longer useful to their goals.

"But the Jews have all the power"

You do know what it looks like when you go straight to that, right?

Lol you really pick and choose what suits you eh? Yes Hamas is bad, a terrorist organization etc. not every Palestinian is Hamas.

Anyways.. check out the list of the top 40 richest people in Toronto, a reoccurring theme of holocaust survivors and their descendants including many who break into the richest Jewish people in the world:

https://wealthawesome.com/richest-people-in-toronto/

Money talks. Kanye wouldn’t have gotten canceled if he was talking about Palestinians lol.

The worlds going to shit all over, but the link in the original posts kinda outline how these tensions have been building over decades, and nothing the western world has ever done has even come close to resolving these issues, and now it’s gonna get reaalllllll ugly.

Again, an issue I don’t really deep down care about. Pretty terrifying to see the footage coming out etc. however, I find these interwoven politics to be even more interesting as somone who can sit at home safely.

I guess the bottom line question is why do JT, PP, Olivia Chow, Ford, etc etc. back Israel?

Why do celebs who have -nothing- to do with the situation, and absolutely-zero- connection to this conflict post their support on social media etc. could it be because almost every producer, studio head, backer of television and media is Jewish? Lol

President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp.

[SkinnyPupp]

Lol you really pick and choose what suits you eh?

Says the one who posted a list of rich Jewish people and complaining about Kanye getting canceled for his anti Semitism

I guess the bottom line question is why do JT, PP, Olivia Chow, Ford, etc etc. back Israel?

They are allies... If you look at what's going on in Ukraine, you understand why it's important to have allies against countries like Russia, Iran, etc.

[supafamous]

While I certainly do not condone Palestine / Hamas attacking Israel, I am also not blind to the on-going brutality and bullying that Israel has done against Palestinians. In that regard, I am really disgusted by how US and Canada have come out to re-iterate how Israel has the right to defend itself.

In this conflict, Israel is every bit as guilty as Palestine is.

As a non religious person when I read about the creation of Israel and what happened to Palestine I'm kinda "WTF?". So the people of Palestine had a nation forced onto them by the Western world who were trying to make up for not defending the Jews when Hitler went nuts and somehow the Western world think it's all the fault of Muslims/Palestinians that they are not happy with what happened? And no matter what the Israelis do to the Palestinians they will always have the support of the Western world? What the hell?

I have a really hard time understanding why the Israelis get so much rope on this - the land has been in the hands of many people over the years so it's not like they can claim that it's theirs. It's no wonder the Palestinians fight back and the Muslim world hates the Western world.

[Manic!]

I have a really hard time understanding why the Israelis get so much rope on this

Skin color and what hitler did to them.

[SkinnyPupp]

As a non religious person when I read about the creation of Israel and what happened to Palestine I'm kinda "WTF?". So the people of Palestine had a nation forced onto them by the Western world who were trying to make up for not defending the Jews when Hitler went nuts and somehow the Western world think it's all the fault of Muslims/Palestinians that they are not happy with what happened? And no matter what the Israelis do to the Palestinians they will always have the support of the Western world? What the hell?

I have a really hard time understanding why the Israelis get so much rope on this - the land has been in the hands of many people over the years so it's not like they can claim that it's theirs. It's no wonder the Palestinians fight back and the Muslim world hates the Western world.
You live in a country where pretty much the exact same thing happened, except longer ago. "This is our turf now, go send your kids to learn to be like us in these rape schools". And we were all taught that white people "discovered" the land and traded peacefully until "settling" down.

Hisry really REALLY sucks sometimes

[Alpine]

Anyone else listening to Adam sander’s Chanukah songs?

[westopher]

As usual it will be the people making the calls that stay safe and everyone else that's in danger. I don't see stepping into a side of this conflict going well for anyone or any country, whatever side they hop on. The attack from Hamas is despicable, and the response from the Israelis will match it.
All in the name of competing sky daddies again. We really aren't as developed of a species as we think we are.
I'd really like canada to be taking the Switzerland approach to this conflict, as the grandstanding isn't going to positively affect anyone. I think our government really needed to learn a lesson from two weeks ago that it certainly hasn't. Maybe just shut the fuck up and keep it quiet unless you really intend to be a factor.

[Hondaracer]

Somewhat ironically, the UN issued this statement that Israel was breaking international law just a few weeks ago, as the “right wing” govt. with psycho Netanyahu have been forcibly pushing people out of Palestinian territory to create new Israeli settlements:

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15424.doc.htm

From Reuters:

The United States, Israel's key ally and a broker of statehood negotiations that have stalled since 2014, has repeatedly expressed its objection to Israel's ongoing settlement expansion.

According to the United Nations, some 700,000 settlers live in 279 settlements across the West Bank and East Jerusalem, up from 520,000 in 2012. More than 3 million Palestinians who live in the same area are subjected to Israeli military rule that some rights groups say amounts to apartheid.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-advances-peak-number-west-bank-settlement-plans-2023-watchdog-2023-07-13/

And now our “allies” are going to besiege a city of 2 million+ cutting off everything from water to power like it’s WW2 Stalingrad lol..

Oh for the days when we were giving standing ovations to Nazis.

[SkinnyPupp]

As usual it will be the people making the calls that stay safe and everyone else that's in danger. I don't see stepping into a side of this conflict going well for anyone or any country, whatever side they hop on. The attack from Hamas is despicable, and the response from the Israelis will match it.
All in the name of competing sky daddies again. We really aren't as developed of a species as we think we are.
I'd really like canada to be taking the Switzerland approach to this conflict, as the grandstanding isn't going to positively affect anyone. I think our government really needed to learn a lesson from two weeks ago that it certainly hasn't. Maybe just shut the fuck up and keep it quiet unless you really intend to be a factor.
I agree except I think they intend to be a factor

[sdubfid]

If Canada is looking for a project there is plenty to fix in their own backyard. Drive through any city and anyone can see.

[JDMDreams]

I was just watching this on YouTube University yesterday and apparently the Hamas had a lot of help from Iran, there's no way this can pull off something this professional with this much resources, and catch Israel with their pants off basically, what about that iron dome, don't they have like the second best military behind US? And all of the US tech?

It's apparently something to do with Iran not wanting Saudi to sign some deal with Israel. Then all the Arab countries will have to agree with Israel since Saudis pretty much have the biggest influence as the top Arab country. :ahwow:

[pastarocket]

The first thing on my mind about this conflict is "Is Turd's Liberals gonna give even more taxpayer dollars to help an ally?"

Our federal government has given so much money, and weapons, weak as some of those firearms are, to help Ukraine in their war against Russia.

Turd better not give more of our tax payer dollars to help an ally. Furthermore, the news reports from last week are about the Liberals cutting a billion bucks in spending from our armed forces.

Money does not grow on trees despite what Turd thinks! :facepalm:

Support for Israel does not necessarily have to be financial support.
Canada cannot afford it!

[68style]

I'd agree that Israel does not need financial assistance in any way.

However, you need to stop bitching about Ukraine money... you think helping Ukraine fight off Russia is expensive? Think Putin is going to be happy if he takes Ukraine and go back to write his memoir? Try paying for stopping Russia (or Putin, rather) after he takes over ALL its neighbouring countries and starts in on Poland.

Money well spent at this juncture.

[westopher]

What we should be focusing on here is preventing spillover of this conflict from affecting Canadians here on Canadian soil, both Palestinian and Jewish, as there are plenty. The flames are ignited and there are plenty of people here ready to fan.

[Hondaracer]

In the next 10 years I wouldn’t doubt there is some kind of substantial home grown terrorist attack in Canada.

All these groups who we’ve brought here over the last decade have just been stewing and marginalized again and again and now they see these conflicts where Canadians opt to pick a side and go full in on it rather than even pretend to be neutral as westopher mentioned earlier. It just breeds contempt and hatred.

The Boston marathon bombings are perfect examples of this.

[Badhobz]

im surprised there isnt one already with how much inequality there is in our society.

Marginalized groups are gonna explode.

Id say it would be a gen z'er but those feckless little shits are too lazy to start any sort of grassroots terrorism

https://y.yarn.co/3b585327-0ce1-4968-8dac-7d9937afb7fa_text.gif

[Hondaracer]

Honestly despite what I say or may come off as I have no hate for anyone, do whatever you want

But when you invite a million + muslims to Canada in a short time frame and then turn around and openly support a regime flattening buildings full of muslims? Ehhh not such a great look

[Infiniti]

You do know what it looks like when you go straight to that, right?

I'll take anti-shmematism for $2000 Alex.

[blkgsr]

If shit start popping off in canada (and other countries) it needs to be seen as full on terrorism and the full power of our juridical system come down on them. My fear is our government is so weak on this type of thing that they won't actually do much to squash it or lock people up. Deportation should be the result. You want to fight, go home and fight there.

[blkgsr]

Honestly despite what I say or may come off as I have no hate for anyone, do whatever you want

But when you invite a million + muslims to Canada in a short time frame and then turn around and openly support a regime flattening buildings full of muslims? Ehhh not such a great look

i saw a video of a reporter at a protest with a bunch of Muslims (wasn't exactly sure what the protest was for) but either way the guy they spoke to basically said fuck all you white people and rest of Canada, bring in Sharia Law, you can't control us now we're going to take over.

That shit is a scary possibility when we just let everyone and anyone come in. They (of course not all before people jump down my throat) don't care about this country. They'll milk it for everything we'll give the and complain they want more in the process then try to turn this into a new middle east.

Canada is fucked.

[westopher]

That's getting worked up over nothing. There's 100x as many Christian nutjobs in canada that want the same shit but a different version.
I think being worried about some sort of violence related to something like that is reasonable, but whenever someone's like "they are trying to bring sharia law" to canada that's just ridiculous sensationalism. I'm not saying you are trying to play that angle, but I am saying seriously don't consider that as a realistic problem.

[68style]

Don't turn into a 'Murican so easily


That shit is a scary possibility when we just let everyone and anyone come in. They (of course not all before people jump down my throat) don't care about this country. They'll milk it for everything we'll give the and complain they want more in the process then try to turn this into a new middle east.

Canada is fucked.

How is this in any way based on reality? Do you have some data to back up this audacious claim? It's fuckin HARD to come here unless you're already rich... I work just up the street from Immigration Canada and know at least 2 managers there, they spend almost all their time on CPIC and international databases screening people and corroborating their claims for refugees and otherwise.

Anyone and everyone... what a ridiculous thing to say lol... if that was even remotely true places like the Philippines or India would pack every plane on the planet full coming over here fast as they possibly could.

[underscore]

Per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Christianity (53.33%)
No religion (34.62%)
Islam (4.89%)
Hinduism (2.28%)
Sikhism (2.12%)
Buddhism (0.98%)
Judaism (0.92%)
Indigenous (0.22%)
Other faiths (0.62%)

There would need to be a looooooot more immigration before anyone would be in any kind of position to try to take over anything.

[CivicBlues]

Weren't a good portion of the Anti-SOGI protests made up of Muslim families? They're joining forces with the right-wing Christian nutjobs on this. I don't think Sharia law is a threat but we are actively seeing a movement towards more right-wing ideologies with the type of immigration we are receiving.

[Badhobz]

Per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada

Christianity (53.33%)
No religion (34.62%)
Islam (4.89%)
Hinduism (2.28%)
Sikhism (2.12%)
Buddhism (0.98%)
Judaism (0.92%)
Indigenous (0.22%)
Other faiths (0.62%)


These are the wackjobs you need to look out for. All the assholes who almost kill me everyday in richmond are part of this cult

[MarkyMark]

Atheism is making some solid ground baby, gives me hope lol

[CivicBlues]

Honestly, with all the recent shit going down with the Indians and now Muslims/Jews again it sure is taking the heat off all of us Chinamen as of late :fuckthatshit:

[blkgsr]

Weren't a good portion of the Anti-SOGI protests made up of Muslim families? They're joining forces with the right-wing Christian nutjobs on this. I don't think Sharia law is a threat but we are actively seeing a movement towards more right-wing ideologies with the type of immigration we are receiving.

This is exactly it.

I'm not saying Canada is going to Sharia Law, what I'm saying is SOME OF THE people coming here have that mind set and will cause problems in general.

[GLOW]

is the religion stat even relevant?

isn't it the fringe minority/few causing a majority of the problems though?

[JDMDreams]

The ball is rolling, nothing like some good old public executions

"Queen of Canada' cult threatens Sask. village with public executions"

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2270599235567

[blkgsr]

lock these fucking nut jobs up

where the fuck is the RCMP. the second you start with the letters and "execution" warnings your rights are gone. Fuck your freedom of speech.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not up to date on Canadian policy regarding refugees. For a long time they would only take in women and children from that part of the world (even throughout Trudeau's government) because of this very issue. Did that change in the last 5 years?

[Hondaracer]

In the last 10 years muslims have made up almost 20% of all immigration:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026b-eng.htm#

I haven’t heard that women and children thing in a decade. Pretty sure anyone and everyone is being taken in now unless you’re coming from an active Warzone, and even then the screening seemed highly suspect.

[Manic!]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/bodies-residents-militants-lie-grounds-ravaged-israeli-kibbutz-2023-10-10/

100 plus dead at an Israeli kibbutz. Many believed to be from Thailand.

https://youtu.be/WZBTXaclQV0?si=UOC0704CgQVPw3Ad

[Great68]

I never followed the whole middle east thing in great detail, but I always thought I had some sympathies to the plight of the Palestinians.

But beheading babies? That's a new kind disgusting savage that I don't think could ever be reasoned with.

Fuck 'em, wipe them all out.

[underscore]

is the religion stat even relevant?

isn't it the fringe minority/few causing a majority of the problems though?

The "concern" was over someone who claimed they were going to take over Canada and implement sharia law. As you said the problems come from a fringe minority but even if you're one of those weird people who thinks every single Muslim is thinking that you're still only talking about a tiny portion of the population. Some random guy can make all the sound bites he wants for the news, they aren't taking over jack shit here.

[Hondaracer]

“Fringe minority truckers doing no harm whatsoever - “omg!! They are destroying Canada!!”

Fringe religious groups who literally want nothing but for you and others to live their oppressive backward lifestyles - “no biggy”

:troll:

[underscore]

Even by your standards that's a weak ass comparison. You didn't read what I actually wrote so I'm not surprised though.

Even ignoring the difference between doing something and thinking something, how long do you think Muslims would've been allowed to block a border crossing or harass the citizens of the nations capital?

[Manic!]

“Fringe minority truckers doing no harm whatsoever - “omg!! They are destroying Canada!!”

Fringe religious groups who literally want nothing but for you and others to live their oppressive backward lifestyles - “no biggy”

:troll:

None of the leaders were truckers. The leaders wanted to replace the government.

From the save the children convoy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/comments/16x39v1/save_the_children_convoy_leaked_terror_plot/

Save the Children Convoy’ Leaders Plotted to Capture Police and MPs at Secret Meetings, Participants Allege

Participants say convoy leaders held secret meetings where they allegedly shared plans to send convoys to Toronto, Ottawa and Tofino

During secret planning meetings, leaders of a convoy inspired by far-right pedophile conspiracies allegedly told participants they planned to round-up police officers and Members of Parliament in Toronto and Ottawa, before sending a final convoy to Tofino, British Columbia to “take the head off the snake.”


For some reason, they think Tofino is the home base for Freemasons.

[Hondaracer]

Even by your standards that's a weak ass comparison. You didn't read what I actually wrote so I'm not surprised though.

Even ignoring the difference between doing something and thinking something, how long do you think Muslims would've been allowed to block a border crossing or harass the citizens of the nations capital?

Wait 20 years. Even during Covid wasn’t there religious reasons you could forgo the vaccine VS the regular pleb who’d get fired otherwise?

There’s war in the streets and there’s war in the Middle East - Tupac circa 1992

[MG1]

None of the leaders were truckers. The leaders wanted to replace the government.

From the save the children convoy.


Did someone say, "CONVOY?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss&t=5s

[GLOW]

damn you went straight to the source, i didn't get a chance to post this first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfUxLtI7BI&ab_channel=NubbinsSawyer

[danned]

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aDYLYBx_460s.jpg

[inv4zn]

^shit like this is why the world is in turmoil.

Ukraine was largely happy on its own, doing its own thing, when Putin decided to invade them. They are defending their country.

Palestine, while largely and unfairly oppressed, poked the big bad bear next to it by killing civilians at a dancy party, then went on beheading civilians.

You think you're some witty edgelord attacking MSM with a picture like that, but it's just ignorant.

[inv4zn]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html

Truly fucked up.

Though one must wonder - is Hamas playing 3D chess by doing horrendous things and coercing Israel/west to over-react, and then use that as more fodder for their cause? Or are they truly just fucked way up.

One good analogy from Reddit, is that what Hamas is doing is the equivalent of slapping a bear in the face, then running into an elementary school and letting the bear maul the students. And then you can advocate for killing bears.

Either way, truly fucked up.

But not as fucked up as this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palestine-protest-sydeny-opera-house-hamas-attacks/

[inv4zn]

In Vancouver:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/2-women-say-they-were-threatened-with-murder-and-sexual-assault-following-israeli-vigil-in-vancouver-1.6596474

[JDMDreams]

Ooooo missiles launched from Syria and Lebanon, I wonder what the US is gonna do make Israel great again? Convenient time for China to take Taiwan :ahwow:

[SkinnyPupp]

One good analogy from Reddit, is that what Hamas is doing is the equivalent of slapping a bear in the face, then running into an elementary school and letting the bear maul the students. And then you can advocate for killing bears.


It's literally the intent of their attacks. And it sucks because people want to support innocent Palestinians, but you have some perhaps well meaning but very confused people who end up supporting Hamas terrorists instead, or going after Jews, as we saw in this thread. (or for some, they're just anti-Semitic to begin with, and this is just their opportunity to show it openly).

[AzNightmare]

Ooooo missiles launched from Syria and Lebanon, I wonder what the US is gonna do make Israel great again? Convenient time for China to take Taiwan :ahwow:

Are Syria and Lebanon allies with Palestine?
3 on 1 now?

[Hondaracer]

It's literally the intent of their attacks. And it sucks because people want to support innocent Palestinians, but you have some perhaps well meaning but very confused people who end up supporting Hamas terrorists instead, or going after Jews, as we saw in this thread. (or for some, they're just anti-Semitic to begin with, and this is just their opportunity to show it openly).

Lol ffs..

First off, there is this overarching idea in this thread that Palestinians = Hamas, which is not true.

Secondly, half a century of oppression and active “war crimes” against the Palestinians and their territory has brought us to this place. As laid out in the OP, as detailed in the UN report I posted, as well documented countless times over and over again for more than half a century.

So let’s get ya to think a little critically once again and get passed why Canada/USA supports Israel. Israel has nothing to offer in terms of contributions laterally. If Canada or the US were ever in a similar position Israel would do -nothing- Israel’s GDP is that of some African nations, they don’t have resources, they keep their R&D in house, etc etc. what a great “Ally”

So besides the very important aspects which you somehow perceive as “anti-Semitic” it boils down to the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Israel is the USA’s back door to the Middle East, all the while their own outbursts and land grabs are akin to Russia VS Ukraine, Israel does it to scary muslims living in rubble so it’s accepted by the western world.

If you don’t think the power, wealth, and influence, Jewish people have the world over isn’t a reason that western society backs them, you’re just being obtuse.

It’s also quite funny there’s so much “support” for Israel when their current govt. is about as hard right as you can possibly get. And Really deep down they are preaching ethnic purity. But hey, that’s ok it’s not really effecting us and those people look white to me? *shrugs*

[Hondaracer]

Look at this list of influential Jews, don’t worry skinny, it’s from the Jerusalem post, so you don’t have to get triggered:

https://m.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewish-features/the-worlds-50-richest-jews-1-10

You might as well re-post this list as the most powerful Americans lol.. the biggest most influential companies in tech, media, finance, lol

[68style]

I'm not arguing the post, but I have to ask... why does it matter if a bunch of Jewish people are powerful? Or, rather, why is it painted like it's a negative thing? I think that's where the perception of anti-semitism comes in. It sounds like people complaining about it don't like a particular ethnic group having control over a lot of things.

Well... welcome to the feeling of being a minority then I guess? lol

[Hondaracer]

Because if they weren’t, the US wouldn’t be moving aircraft carriers there lol

It moreso relates to Canada etc. “supporting” our ally’s, Canada and the US would have no reason to support Israel otherwise. Does Israel have values in common with any North American nation? Lol

As I said before, as an “ally” they are useless. Especially to Canada. They have nothing to offer, they provide nothing unilaterally. The support we provide is because the influence and power their people bring.

Look at that Ford green belt controversy. Two of the developers involved are Jewish.

If some other country in the Middle East who was our “ally” had something like this happen no one would care lol.. you have mayors of Canadian cities condemning the attacks and shitting on Palestine why? The reasons aforementioned.

Like any war, this isn’t about the Israeli people, it’s about $$$$$$

[pastarocket]

I'm not arguing the post, but I have to ask... why does it matter if a bunch of Jewish people are powerful? Or, rather, why is it painted like it's a negative thing? I think that's where the perception of anti-semitism comes in. It sounds like people complaining about it don't like a particular ethnic group having control over a lot of things.

Well... welcome to the feeling of being a minority then I guess? lol


I think that the right wing conspiracy theorists hate the Jews because it feeds into their theories about a government and the rich minority who want to control the general population.

For people that are on the right side of the political pendulum, their perception is that a bunch of wealthy Jews influence politicians at all levels of government. Then these right wing people see high level executives in Hollywood like these peeps:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html

When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).

People who are right wing in their political views see Jews as a threat because their wealth and political influence in government, and their high positions in media and entertainment companies, can influence the minds, the decisions that the general population can make in their daily lives.

Decisions such as which political party to vote for. What kinds of media content, and entertainment content in TV and film that they watch. Then you have even more conspiracy theorists argue that these rich Jews put subliminal message in TV shows and films to influence people's lives for their own advantage.

For the right wing people, their argument can be "Where is the true freedom in your life when the rich Jews control the government and major entertainment and media outlets?" Hence, this group of right wingers have big beliefs which are anti-government and anti-Semitic.

[Hondaracer]

So you don’t think those people have influence over govt and media? Lol

I’m not some conspiracy theorist but look at that list lol like OBVIOUSLY all those people have huge pull

[Badhobz]

sooooo last time all the arab nations ganged up on Israel they got their asses handed to them. This is basically the same shit again as i dont think the situation changed.

The way hamas is doing it is giving dem jews free reign to take out all Palestinian settlements whether its justifiable or not. no winners here, only innocent people getting fucked on both sides.

[CivicBlues]

Because if they weren’t, the US wouldn’t be moving aircraft carriers there lol

It moreso relates to Canada etc. “supporting” our ally’s, Canada and the US would have no reason to support Israel otherwise. Does Israel have values in common with any North American nation? Lol


Yes, Israel is basically a slice of Europe plomped down in the Middle East. Tel Aviv is like any other city in southern Europe like Greece or Spain. They're also nominally a democracy and are generally Western in outlook as many people in power there have roots from the European Ashkenazi Jewish community . You'd have to have half a brain to think the Western powers would side with some Arab dictatorship (which they do for some, just never against Israel) over them.

[pastarocket]

So you donÂ’t think those people have influence over govt and media? Lol

IÂ’m not some conspiracy theorist but look at that list lol like OBVIOUSLY all those people have huge pull

-not saying that the right wing people such as the Freedom Convoy leaders do not have influence over government and media.

I am arguing that rich Jews in government and media/entertainment have way more influence in government and media than your average joe in a trucker convoy who protested in Ottawa.

For example, Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, the defendants in their criminal trial for allegedly orchestrating the Freedom Convoy, would have influence on people. They are back in court this week.

Tamara and Chris may not have a Get out of Jail free card and the deep pockets to hire good lawyers unlike a rich Jewish person with political power.
:considered:

[68style]

So what are you trying to say?

All Jewish people are rich and powerful? Or get away with stuff?

Why do you need to say rich JEWISH person with political power. Why not just say rich person? Why do you need the cultural identifier?

Just sounds like a bunch of generalizations or stereotypes to me.

Here's some you've probably heard in 604: "Rich China people" "White guy CEO" "Cheap East Indian"

What do those all sound like to you?

[Hondaracer]

Because it’s relevant to this conflict?

I’m not talking about Nigerians in this conflict between Israel and Palestine?

I’m also saying for our “ally’s” is acceptable to siege a city of 2 million + people which is obviously completely heinous and it would -never- fly if our “ally’s” in somewhere like Poland etc. would try anything close to this.

So to rephrase it lol.. “people” involved in this have influence and power in such a way that their own atrocities are ignored because it would set bad blood among people who have political influence and power and rely on their support for their own personal gain/power.

[donk.]

I’m not some conspiracy theorist

:suspicious::suspicious::suspicious:

[68style]

Because it’s relevant to this conflict?

I’m not talking about Nigerians in this conflict between Israel and Palestine?

I’m also saying for our “ally’s” is acceptable to siege a city of 2 million + people which is obviously completely heinous and it would -never- fly if our “ally’s” in somewhere like Poland etc. would try anything close to this.

So to rephrase it lol.. “people” involved in this have influence and power in such a way that their own atrocities are ignored because it would set bad blood among people who have political influence and power and rely on their support for their own personal gain/power.

I was talking to pastarocket in this instance haha

[pastarocket]

So what are you trying to say?

All Jewish people are rich and powerful? Or get away with stuff?

Why do you need to say rich JEWISH person with political power. Why not just say rich person? Why do you need the cultural identifier?

Just sounds like a bunch of generalizations or stereotypes to me.

Here's some you've probably heard in 604: "Rich China people" "White guy CEO" "Cheap East Indian"

What do those all sound like to you?

Yup. 100 percent. It's an age old stereotype.

Guilty as charged.

[mikemhg]

WTF are you guys arguing about?

This is what sucks about modern warfare, the amount of misinformation in this conflict, as well as Ukraine is insane.

Either way Israel is going to invade for sure and kill a fuckload of people, they have been chopping at the bit to do so, they finally have their chance.

I've heard people even theorize that they even "let" this happen. I don't want to believe that, but if you want to tinfoil, have at it.

It'll be interesting how this whole thing ends, however it does, we will likely see some kind of final resolution to this whole conflict, and it probably won't be a 2-state solution.

I'm pretty sick of seeing celebrities decry how they stand with Israel just as much as I'm seeing blue haired cunts posting about standing with Palestine. Everyone suddenly becomes a Middle East expert in the span of 2 days.

[Hondaracer]

Don’t you dare try to be the voice of reason! Lol

[Hondaracer]

That theory of Israel allowing it to happen is interesting. I watched an interview from an Israeli and he said this was basically Israel’s 9/11 in terms of missed intelligence

[Badhobz]

That theory of Israel allowing it to happen is interesting.

https://i.postimg.cc/RV4YTChs/1.jpg

[Hondaracer]

Obviously I knew that was coming but Mike brought it up lol

[Badhobz]

i blame mike for all my inadequacies too.

[inv4zn]

So let’s get ya to think a little critically once again and get passed why Canada/USA supports Israel. Israel has nothing to offer in terms of contributions laterally. If Canada or the US were ever in a similar position Israel would do -nothing- Israel’s GDP is that of some African nations, they don’t have resources, they keep their R&D in house, etc etc. what a great “Ally”

So besides the very important aspects which you somehow perceive as “anti-Semitic” it boils down to the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Israel is the USA’s back door to the Middle East, all the while their own outbursts and land grabs are akin to Russia VS Ukraine, Israel does it to scary muslims living in rubble so it’s accepted by the western world.

If you don’t think the power, wealth, and influence, Jewish people have the world over isn’t a reason that western society backs them, you’re just being obtuse.

It’s also quite funny there’s so much “support” for Israel when their current govt. is about as hard right as you can possibly get. And Really deep down they are preaching ethnic purity. But hey, that’s ok it’s not really effecting us and those people look white to me? *shrugs*

You kinda answered your own question there. The reason Israel is an ally is not because of their material wealth, but because they are a strategic partner in a geographical location in decades of unrest, AND they have powerful influential people across the world. I mean, that's a pretty good candidate for an ally.

Palestinians are obviously not all Hamas. But it is undeniable that there are Palestinian supporters of Hamas, and all Hamas are Palestinians. It's obviously not black and white, but it's also not unfair to call it like it is. Weren't you the one not standing for PC bullshit?

Lastly, left/right in Israel is not really what you think of left/right in Canada or even the US. This is an instance where you shouldn't pretend to be an expert in Middle East affairs because you watched a 8 minute youtube video.

[Hondaracer]

You could spend a week learning everything you could about this conflict and you still wouldn’t scratch the surface

That’s why this is more discussion than anything, I’ve never pretended to be an expert on anything but with stuff like this I at least try to find objective information

[inv4zn]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-official-says-group-is-open-discussions-over-truce-with-israel-2023-10-09/

Hamas is now "open for a truce". Either they now realized they bit off more than they could chew (which is unreasonable since their end goal seems to be scorched Earth), OR they were promised support from Iran/Qatar/et al., which has disappeared since they were caught beheading babies.

The US has sent two Strike Groups to the ME
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3552801/uss-gerald-r-ford-carrier-strike-group-arrives-in-the-eastern-mediterranean-sea/

Pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_z3W89WDH8

[SkinnyPupp]

WTF are you guys arguing about?

This is what sucks about modern warfare, the amount of misinformation in this conflict, as well as Ukraine is insane.

Either way Israel is going to invade for sure and kill a fuckload of people, they have been chopping at the bit to do so, they finally have their chance.

I've heard people even theorize that they even "let" this happen. I don't want to believe that, but if you want to tinfoil, have at it.

It'll be interesting how this whole thing ends, however it does, we will likely see some kind of final resolution to this whole conflict, and it probably won't be a 2-state solution.

I'm pretty sick of seeing celebrities decry how they stand with Israel just as much as I'm seeing blue haired cunts posting about standing with Palestine. Everyone suddenly becomes a Middle East expert in the span of 2 days.
I'm not really arguing about anything regarding the conflict. I don't know!

The issue I have is when barely veiled anti-Semitism is the first thing a certain type of person goes straight toward when something like this happens. With no delay whatsoever, it's just "The rich Jews have all the power!"

[Badhobz]

That’s people response to everything.

_____ have everything
- males
- white
- Jews
- rich people
- etc etc

[JDMDreams]

Yea I'm sure even their alah friends won't support chopping off heads and arms of babies. Not a good look. I don't know why Lebanon, Syria got into this but I'm sure Iran has something to do with it. But I doubt they want to have a full blown middle East war. Cuz last time I heard Lebanon and Syria wasn't doing too good.

[CivicBlues]

So Honda would it have been ok if people started parading around Robson Square with Saudi and Afghan flags on Sept 12, 2001?

You thought (think) 9/11 was an inside job right? right?

[Hondaracer]

No and no?

Although I guess that’s where we’re at in Canada with “religious freedom” and whatnot

[Manic!]

The Gaza strip boarder is 41 KM long. How did Israel not have that whole boarder covered? There is now way they should have been able to get into Israel so easy.

There is some talk trump may have leaked some info on the Iron done to Russia and they gave that info to Iran and they passed it on to Hamas.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094

Ability of Hamas to evade Israel?s Iron Dome defenses points to possible intel leak from Trump to Russia | Milwaukee Independent (http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/ability-hamas-evade-israels-iron-dome-defenses-points-possible-intel-leak-trump-russia/)

[Hondaracer]

The Gaza strip boarder is 41 KM long. How did Israel not have that whole boarder covered? There is now way they should have been able to get into Israel so easy.

There is some talk trump may have leaked some info on the Iron done to Russia and they gave that info to Iran and they passed it on to Hamas.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094

Ability of Hamas to evade Israel?s Iron Dome defenses points to possible intel leak from Trump to Russia | Milwaukee Independent (http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/ability-hamas-evade-israels-iron-dome-defenses-points-possible-intel-leak-trump-russia/)


Is there a country that is more concerned with internal security than Israel? From airport security checks to the decades and decades of pro-active security measures. Not to mention Hamas being able to gather arms and mobilize in a fashion that ended with this

Again, not into conspiracy theories etc and I guess this is one of them but I find it interesting they were able to so effectively come into Israel with little to no opposition. On top of that they seemingly controlled entire neighborhoods for extended periods of time and were able to kidnap people and return to Gaza?

Pretty crazy

[CivicBlues]

When I crossed into Israel from Jordan they held and questioned me for hours because I (a Chinese guy) had a parent that was born in a Muslim-majority country. They asked for phone numbers of relatives still there, If I ever visited and dates of when I visited. When I told them I didn't have any contact info they finally relented after they went through all my contacts on my phone.

But....the people that did the "interrogating", they were all kids! I mean no more than 25 y.o. and nearly all female. This was at the southern border along the red sea popular with tourists so I assume they deemed it lower risk. At Tel Aviv airport upon my departure I had my luggage unpacked by a more intimidating security officer but was very cordial was probably better trained.

I suspect there was some complacency with Gaza having been "abandoned" back in 2005 and surrounding a pretty sparsely populated area. And really, what else could they have done when they basically Zerg-rushed a random area of desert and sparsely populated small towns?

The world's most powerful country can't stop a bunch of Latin Americans from crossing their southern border, what chance does a nation of 9 million have against 2 million (400 million, really) who are actively and rabidly trying to kill them and being armed by Russia/Iran/Qatar, digging tunnels, flying drones, etc.

[JDMDreams]

Yea I'm surprised they were able to get caught with their pants down like this, and it took them like 12+ hours to get the military to do something? Dishonour da family. Considering they are probably the most paranoid country behind USA of getting invaded. They were the first in the world to offer vaccines to their people. Where's all the hot blonde military girls. :accepted:

[MG1]

Hot blonde, Jewish chicks................... pics, please.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1712123827273019648

[whitev70r]

^ fair statement. There are plenty of blame for both sides. And plenty of innocent people suffering on both sides.

[Manic!]

But....the people that did the "interrogating", they were all kids! I mean no more than 25 y.o. and nearly all female. This was at the southern border along the red sea popular with tourists so I assume they deemed it lower risk. At Tel Aviv airport upon my departure I had my luggage unpacked by a more intimidating security officer but was very cordial was probably better trained.

I suspect there was some complacency with Gaza having been "abandoned" back in 2005 and surrounding a pretty sparsely populated area. And really, what else could they have done when they basically Zerg-rushed a random area of desert and sparsely populated small towns?

The world's most powerful country can't stop a bunch of Latin Americans from crossing their southern border, what chance does a nation of 9 million have against 2 million (400 million, really) who are actively and rabidly trying to kill them and being armed by Russia/Iran/Qatar, digging tunnels, flying drones, etc.

All young because they have mandatory military service. At 18 you have to do 32 months of service.


The North/South Korea boarder is 250 KM long and the German wall was 155 KM long.

Good write up of the timeline. Some waited 20 hours to be rescued.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-timeline.html

Reports from Gaza boarder guards.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231010-snipers-drones-bulldozers-gaza-border-guards-recount-hamas-attack

There was a military failure and I think Benjamin Netanyahu will pay the price.

[inv4zn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/175q8xo/father_puts_his_son_in_harms_way/

To clarify, this may be old and not recent - but this is the fucked up reality over there.

[JDMDreams]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/28/israels-military-is-using-thirst-traps-to-sow-zionist-pride-report/amp/

Would bang bang pew pew :ifyouknow::notbad::megusta:

Hot blonde, Jewish chicks................... pics, please.

[inv4zn]

Really good video, also explains how the breach happened, supposedly.

https://youtu.be/j6xInxnbSW8?si=EI84QUKj9-xxqCsh

[The7even]

That's getting worked up over nothing. There's 100x as many Christian nutjobs in canada that want the same shit but a different version.
I think being worried about some sort of violence related to something like that is reasonable, but whenever someone's like "they are trying to bring sharia law" to canada that's just ridiculous sensationalism. I'm not saying you are trying to play that angle, but I am saying seriously don't consider that as a realistic problem.

You're so brainwashed, you actually believe that Christians of today are as bad, if not worse, than Muslims when it comes to terrorism and violence? Are you this ignorant on purpose?

Smug liberal. You're just like that guy who got killed in NYC via an assault knife, ignorant to your surroundings and clueless.

If there were 100x as many Christian nut jobs in Canada you'd know it and you'd fear saying anything against them. Yet you aren't scared and there's a good reason for it; you're wrong and delusional.

[inv4zn]

You're so brainwashed, you actually believe that Christians of today are as bad, if not worse, than Muslims when it comes to terrorism and violence? Are you this ignorant on purpose?

Smug liberal. You're just like that guy who got killed in NYC via an assault knife, ignorant to your surroundings and clueless.

If there were 100x as many Christian nut jobs in Canada you'd know it and you'd fear saying anything against them. Yet you aren't scared and there's a good reason for it; you're wrong and delusional.

Ever the voice of reason and logic, you are. Although it's a tad ironic calling someone brainwashed, and then a smug liberal, lol.

If you had actually read Westopher's post, he was referring to Muslims declaring Sharia Law in Canada - and saying there are worse "Christians"; which is not wrong.

Just look at Evangelicals on a crusade against them gays. and abortion. and whatever they pick and choose from the bible to fit their fucked up narrative.

The fact that you went straight to Muslims=violence, really needs no further comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ALTSQY3OGZDFRLVSHWPYVM65TQ.jpg&w=916

[Badhobz]

hey thats my kinda christmas!
look at how happy they all are

[Manic!]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

The Israeli government has not confirmed the specific claim that Hamas attackers cut off the heads of babies during their shock attack on Saturday, an Israeli official told CNN, contradicting a previous public statement by the Prime Minister’s office.

“There have been cases of Hamas militants carrying out beheadings and other ISIS-style atrocities. However, we cannot confirm if the victims were men or women, soldiers or civilians, adults or children,” the official said.

The explosive allegations that children had been decapitated at the kibbutz of Kfar Aza emerged Tuesday in Israeli media. Israel Defense Forces later described the scene as a “massacre” in a statement to CNN. Women, children toddlers and the elderly were “brutally butchered in an ISIS way of action,” the IDF said.

Tal Heinrich, a spokeswoman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Wednesday that babies and toddlers had been found with their “heads decapitated” in Kfar Aza.

US President Joe Biden appeared to confirm that information. In a roundtable with Jewish community leaders on Wednesday, he said: “I have been doing this a long time, I never really thought that I would see… have confirmed pictures of terrorist beheading children.”

A US administration official later clarified Biden’s remarks, telling CNN that neither Biden nor his aides had seen pictures or had received confirmed reports of children or infants having been beheaded by Hamas. The official clarified that Biden was referring to public comments from media outlets and Israeli officials.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of ‘something big’
Cairo official says Israel focused on West Bank instead of Gaza; Egypt’s spy chief said to warn PM of ‘terrible operation,’ Netanyahu denies it



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.

House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".

Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.

"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."

[westopher]

You're so brainwashed, you actually believe that Christians of today are as bad, if not worse, than Muslims when it comes to terrorism and violence? Are you this ignorant on purpose?

Smug liberal. You're just like that guy who got killed in NYC via an assault knife, ignorant to your surroundings and clueless.

If there were 100x as many Christian nut jobs in Canada you'd know it and you'd fear saying anything against them. Yet you aren't scared and there's a good reason for it; you're wrong and delusional.

Are you illiterate on purpose?

[Badhobz]

i thought being a minority tranny cop would make you hate Christians since they are fundamentally opposed to your very being

not saying dem muslims like ya either, but still, i dont see why you would support one group vs another.

[CivicBlues]

Wait I thought the 7even was from Bosnia or something. Are you Serb or some kinda rabid ex-muslim?

[pastarocket]

-interesting article about the HAMAS strategy for creating their weapons supply:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeast/hamas-weaponry-gaza-israel-palestine-unrest-intl-hnk-ml/index.html


Factories to produce weapons. Tunnels to smuggle military hardware from Iran.

Iran training HAMAS.

Wow, HAMAS even recycles sheet metal, pipes, etc. from buildings destroyed by Israeli bombings.

They're resourceful, that's for sure.

[mikemhg]

No fucking duh they can't confirm the beheading of babies. That story sounded like straight bullshit from the start. Were there maybe a few adult beheadings? Possible. Were some children shot during the assault? Also possible. Beheading a bunch of babies? HIGHLY doubt it. That doesn't even make logical sense if you think about it rationally for a second.

If you actually read on that initial report, NONE of it was substantiated, it all came from an unreliable Israeli paper as the source, and none of it was substantiated by anyone.

That's the problem in these conflicts nowadays, throw some bullshit out there (ala WMDs in Iraq, terrorists in Afghanistan) and run with that narrative.

They're doing the same shit by saying Iran coordinated this whole thing literally the next day after this all happened. Based on what proof, exactly?

I hate using this word but stay woke, don't let this US/Israeli propaganda encourage us into another 9/11 in the Middle East.

[Hondaracer]

Yea so hard to decipher all the BS etc.

Even that footage of all the soldiers flying those paragliders, like that shit was obviously all produced and distributed but then news agencies etc. run with that footage like some Israeli was filming them landing guns in hand. Your average person watches that and has zero clue that the footage obviously isn’t relevant

[underscore]

That's the problem in these conflicts nowadays, throw some bullshit out there (ala WMDs in Iraq, terrorists in Afghanistan) and run with that narrative.

You don't even need that bold part, people do that with everything. By the time it's confirmed one way or another it's old news and nobody cares or bothers to talk about it.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.” - Mark Twain

[unit]

for sure. so much western propaganda out there right now. anything you read from any articles including by canadian news sources should be taken with a grain of salt.

[The7even]

Wait I thought the 7even was from Bosnia or something. Are you Serb or some kinda rabid ex-muslim?

Bosnia. And still Muslim. Just not retarded enough to believe that a bunch of Christians in the west who have the audacity to voice their grievances and take pictures with rifles because they value the 2nd amendment are more worrying than a bunch of uneducated fanatic, sexually suppressed goat fuckers willing to blow up civilians and murder indiscriminately.

I don't have to be rabid to hate evil and point out the hypocrisy of Muslims.

[The7even]

i thought being a minority tranny cop would make you hate Christians since they are fundamentally opposed to your very being

not saying dem muslims like ya either, but still, i dont see why you would support one group vs another.

And when did I say that I support either side in this eternal conflict?

As a tranny cop minority I still rather live with these so called hateful Christians that oppose my very being. I'm not getting thrown off rooftops or getting hung, am I?

[Great68]

No fucking duh they can't confirm the beheading of babies. That story sounded like straight bullshit from the start. Were there maybe a few adult beheadings? Possible. Were some children shot during the assault? Also possible. Beheading a bunch of babies? HIGHLY doubt it. That doesn't even make logical sense if you think about it rationally for a second.
.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/

[Gumby]

Fuck, I don't know what to believe anymore...

[SkinnyPupp]

Beheading a bunch of babies? HIGHLY doubt it. That doesn't even make logical sense if you think about it rationally for a second.


Dude don't go looking for logic from insane terrorists. If they could think logically, they wouldn't be insane terrorists!

Not saying whether it's true or not.. I'd believe it's true if enough people said it was though, because these people are NOT logical... Frankly I don't know why people find it so hard to believe? I know it sounds like something you'd make up, but invading a very secure country on sky gliders does too lol.

[Hondaracer]

Dude don't go looking for logic from insane terrorists. If they could think logically, they wouldn't be insane terrorists!

Not saying whether it's true or not.. I'd believe it's true if enough people said it was though, because these people are NOT logical... Frankly I don't know why people find it so hard to believe? I know it sounds like something you'd make up, but invading a very secure country on sky gliders does too lol.

Well actual news outlets are now shitting on Biden for saying he say all these pictures of beheaded babies as more and more reports are coming out that it didn’t actually happen.

But hey, if you say it did that’s good enough for me.

[SkinnyPupp]

"Not saying whether it's true or not."

FailFish man, jesus christ

[Hondaracer]

But you’ll believe it’s true if enough ppl say it is

[SkinnyPupp]

Yes, if there are enough credible reports, it should be believed.

You are trying so hard to come at me that you are making a fool of yourself..

I say dumb things you can go after quite often, just wait for that lol. You don't have to make them up!

[MG1]

Fuck, I don't know what to believe anymore...

That's just it, you can't believe anything you hear in the news these days.

I fell out of my chair when one day when I heard local media sources wanted access to police info that was been deemed sensitive. Are you fucking kidding me? You asswipes will take any story and spin it to get ratings. Nobody except law enforcement should have sensitive information while an investigation is ongoing.

Show us you are responsible and more importantly, competent enough to deal with sensitive information that is critical to solving cases. Sorry, but you media types are not competent enough to have that kind of access. I'm glad law enforcement agencies stuck to their guns.

Haven't heard anything more about it.

News 1130, lol............. idiots can't even pronounce names and places correctly. Kelownee Farms vs Colony Farms. Arkin Saws = Arkansas, Maria Poll = Mariupol, Sea Gal = Steven Segal, Al Mah May Ter = Alma Mater. Toronto Pearson says..........isn't that an airport? Didn't know the Stanley Cup was an NFL award, gulolol.

I have a whole list of fuckups. So funny, they are.

Yeah, I know, News 1130 is a joke, that's for sure. Breaking News.......... yeah, just like your live traffic reports. You get your sauces from listeners and............. nuff said.


Making news vs reporting news

[mikemhg]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/

That is the exact unreliable rag I was referring to. The Times of Israel is the only publication that put that claim forward in the first place.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

"US President Joe Biden appeared to confirm that information. In a roundtable with Jewish community leaders on Wednesday, he said: “I have been doing this a long time, I never really thought that I would see… have confirmed pictures of terrorist beheading children.”

A US administration official later clarified Biden’s remarks, telling CNN that neither Biden nor his aides had seen pictures or had received confirmed reports of children or infants having been beheaded by Hamas. The official clarified that Biden was referring to public comments from media outlets and Israeli officials."

Listen, alleging that dozens of babies (more than 40 allegedly) were behead is a serious allegation. How can you comment saying it happened to the public without any actual truth? That is literally insane.

Those random 3 pictures still does not confirm what happened. Do I think children died? For sure, that's obvious. How? Bullets? Grenades? We don't know. To claim babies were beheaded and put that out in the public without any proof or anything substantiated is simply disingenuous, and at that, propaganda.

Let's go with babies were killed, that is absolutely terrible, and terrible things happen in war, that does not beget an extreme reaction. As well, within any army or group of fighters you will find bad apples, does that represent an entire population of people?

Think of how many times we've heard stories of rape, beheadings, indiscriminate murders from US troops in past wars (Iraq, Afghanistan). Would you turn around and label the entire US Military as a bunch of evil bad guys? Further more would you extrapolate that to the entire US population writ-large?

[inv4zn]

Oops, ninja'd

[Badhobz]

yo i dont get it, its not THAT big of a deal. we were all babies once, so beheading babies is kinda just like beheading an idiot adult

:fullofwin:

[inv4zn]

Think of how many times we've heard stories of rape, beheadings, indiscriminate murders from US troops in past wars (Iraq, Afghanistan). Would you turn around and label the entire US Military as a bunch of evil bad guys? Further more would you extrapolate that to the entire US population writ-large?

lol, when has the US military ever been accused of beheading someone?

Also, in the middle east and other parts of the country, the US Military is absolutely regarded as a bunch of evil bad guys. I understand what you're trying to get at but your examples are poor.

[JDMDreams]

Maybe they should hire Wagner for help:lawl:

[whitev70r]

Is there anyway that thee collective average Palestinian can vote out Hamas as the ruling government for a more moderate one who might be open to diplomatic resolution to this ongoing conflict?

[Manic!]

https://streamable.com/w6yx4a

[SkinnyPupp]

Israel says people in Gaza have 24 hours to vacate the northern part of the territory, dropping leaflets and other broadcast methods

Hamas tells the people that this is fake news, to stay home (reasons are fairly obvious why they want their people to stay there)

UN says 24 hours is impossible to move over 1 million people

WHO wants to get in to provide aid, all crossings closed except from Egypt

Amnesty International says this is a war crime (to add to the list I guess)

Seems like an invasion is imminent

[inv4zn]

Hamas tells the people that this is fake news, to stay home (reasons are fairly obvious why they want their people to stay there)


"Some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice we're willing to make" - Hamas, probably

[westopher]

Israel says people in Gaza have 24 hours to vacate the northern part of the territory, dropping leaflets and other broadcast methods

Hamas tells the people that this is fake news, to stay home (reasons are fairly obvious why they want their people to stay there)

UN says 24 hours is impossible to move over 1 million people

WHO wants to get in to provide aid, all crossings closed except from Egypt

Amnesty International says this is a war crime (to add to the list I guess)

Seems like an invasion is imminent
At this point what's the point of even saying war crimes are happening? Russia has clearly proven nothing will be done about it. The modern world seems like war is just indiscriminately killing civilians rather than any tactical conquer strategies. I know Hamas is simply a terrorist organization and not a countries military, but what's going on in Ukraine is the same shit as far as the general terror.

[Hondaracer]

“Terrorist” organizations are now just full blown organized governments in a lot of cases now, Hamas, Taliban, etc. while organized governments in Russia, numerous African nations, etc. are all commiting “war crimes”

No one is ever held accountable for any of this so whatever you call it doesn’t really matter

[westopher]

Taliban is the best example. It's literally a terrorist organization that has full governing power over a country without even needing the guise of legitimacy.
I'm sure there are plenty of countries in Africa in similar situations that no one hears about because the media doesn't give a shit to tell us.

[Badhobz]

1300 dead jews

way over 1500 dead Arabs now and probably likely more in the coming days due to this military action in Gaza

I think Isreal is going too far with this operation.

[westopher]

I think Israel is mounting these attacks thinking they will show Hamas that they have way more power, which is obviously true, but if they think a bunch of dead civilians is going to make Hamas care, I'm sure that isn't the case. It's really, really fucked up for both sides. The human cost is just ignored in a holy war. I fucking hate it, and I can't see how in the modern world we still see shit like this. It seems as though it's going backwards over the last 5-10 years with all the stupid polarization of ideologies. Just fuckin let people live.

[Hondaracer]

Crazy what caging people up like animals for 7 decades does to morale

How many fucking times has this exact same scenario played out in the last 100 years (obviously this same scenario has been around as long as man but you’d think in modern times we could deal with it a little better)

From ISIS, to the Taliban, to Hamas, to whoever

Foreigners go in, fuck up someone’s situation thinking they are “helping” you breed resentment, and a bomb blows up in your face and you act like you’re surprised people hate you

[pastarocket]

Local news that is related to this conflict:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/12/vancouver-police-israel-hamas/

The Vancouver Police Department (VPD) has released a statement detailing its plans to ensure local safety amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war.

Police say there is no specific threat identified in Vancouver, but the department is keeping a close eye on global events in order to “assess violence and disorder in the city.”

On Thursday afternoon, CityNews heard from parents in Vancouver who have made plans to keep their kids home from school on Friday after seeing an increase in threatening social media posts against the community. This comes after one parent says he received an email detailing Hamas calls for a worldwide “general mobilization” against Jewish people on Oct. 13

VPD Chief Const. Adam Palmer says he understands that, although the war is taking place thousands of kilometres away in Israel, many people in the city may feel concerned for their own safety.

Palmer states that VPD has activated its Department Operations Centre in response to these safety concerns, and explains that the centre will coordinate all activities in Vancouver related to the situation.

“We are actively engaged with community members and faith leaders to support our neighbourhoods and to keep everyone safe in Vancouver,” he said in a statement posted on X.

“We’re maintaining an increased police presence around places of worship, community centres, schools, and other key locations to reassure the community.”

While Palmer is stressing the importance of maintaining safety, he says people in Canada aren’t legally barred from peacefully assembling for any kind of protest or demonstration.

[CivicBlues]

1300 dead jews

way over 1500 dead Arabs now and probably likely more in the coming days due to this military action in Gaza

I think Isreal is going too far with this operation.

2,996 dead on 9/11

4.6 Million dead from the War on Terror*

I think US/NATO is going too far with this operation


*to date

[Badhobz]

These Gaza bombings are really just pushing more extremists to Hamas's side. (although technically you can blame hamas for the start of this bs time this around, but like Honda says if you cage them like an animal it'll for sure cause resentment)

Unless you wipe them all off the map, which isnt possible, its only going to breed the next generation of Hamas extremists

2,996 dead on 9/11

4.6 Million dead from the War on Terror*

I think US/NATO is going too far with this operation


*to date

but dont you feel safer!? I FEEL SAFER !!! thanks Bush for making me take off my shoes at the airport security. Laptop bombs have fallen off the cliff ever since these security measures came into place

[CivicBlues]

Pretty much. Palestinian kids/teenagers are some of the brattiest little shits I've ever encountered. And I grew up on the West Side!

[mikemhg]

lol, when has the US military ever been accused of beheading someone?

Also, in the middle east and other parts of the country, the US Military is absolutely regarded as a bunch of evil bad guys. I understand what you're trying to get at but your examples are poor.

I guess you never heard of Eddie Gallagher :lol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq

[westopher]

And pardoned by trump because it wasn't a white that he killed.

[mikemhg]

So roughly 340,000 people have had their homes destroyed thus far.

That is an insane statistic.

This is why I'm harping about how facts matter, perception matters. Israel already knew what kind of massive overaction they were going to take, which is why I firmly believe that beheading story was thrown out there totally unsubstantiated in such a quick manner.

[CivicBlues]

Jesus are you guys like new to Earth or something? The going exchange rate for Brown/Black to White lives is like 469:1 as of last market close.

[underscore]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJyglKW4AA4i1B.jpg

These Gaza bombings are really just pushing more extremists to Hamas's side.

I've been thinking the same thing, Israel's doing a great recruitment drive for Hamas right now. Anyone who survives this is going to have lost friends and family members and know exactly who authorized it.

[Manic!]

Just Audio.

https://twitter.com/Tr00peRR/status/1712856238336413929?t=1fznpB2xYKjpnVCLFb_oMw&s=19

https://globalnews.ca/news/10022845/reuters-journalist-killed-southern-lebanon/

Reuters journalist killed, others injured in southern Lebanon

[JDMDreams]

That's actually a lot since the population of Israel is only 9.3m so if you compare that to USA pop 339m it's equivalent to 54838 Americans getting killed in a week. It's a lot in proportion to their population



1300 dead jews

way over 1500 dead Arabs now and probably likely more in the coming days due to this military action in Gaza

I think Isreal is going too far with this operation.

[mikemhg]

That's actually a lot since the population of Israel is only 9.3m so if you compare that to USA pop 339m it's equivalent to 54838 Americans getting killed in a week. It's a lot in proportion to their population

So what does that say about the 340,000 who have lost their homes in Gaza? Gaza has a population of 590,481, that's over half the population losing their homes.

It's also hard to quanify how many will die through other ancillary reasons as a result of all the destruction.

The comparison isn't even close.

[whitev70r]

Most moderate Palestinians do not support Hamas and their values but do want to fight for basic human freedom and rights for Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

[Great68]

Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310)

The documents were found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists by Israeli first responders and shared with NBC News. They include detailed maps and show that Hamas intended to kill or take hostage civilians and school children.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-10/231013-Hamas-maps-1-ew-347p-559543.jpg

[JDMDreams]

Moderate Palestinian didn't know Hamas were terrorist? What did they expect to happen after harbouring them all these years and lived with them in their society? Just the grumpy emo kids in school that will never do anything bad? I dunno, maybe those attack drills were just part of drama class, improv? :suspicious:

[Badhobz]

yeah but even if they knew what do you expect them to do about it?

1) rat them out to Israel? fast way to get a fatwah put on your family and/or get beheaded
2) continue living in your Israeli enforced squaller and ignore it? yup that sounds about it

[JDMDreams]

Well they better listen to the Hamas if their great leader is so good and stay put while the Jews air bombs and ground invades them. One less terrorist to deal with.

[westopher]

Wat

[Hondaracer]

Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310)



https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-10/231013-Hamas-maps-1-ew-347p-559543.jpg

Even this is like ehhh.. 10 minutes in photoshop I haven’t used in 15 years could come up with something

[SkinnyPupp]

Even this is like ehhh.. 10 minutes in photoshop I haven’t used in 15 years could come up with something
I'd be skeptical too, but what would it take for you to believe it's legitimate?

[Hondaracer]

Tbh, nothing

Maybe like, live footage from a news cast or somthing

[SkinnyPupp]

I have that problem too.. There's people in media I trust on various topics, but with this I don't know. There's going to be so much misinformation being put out too, as people try to justify their actions.

[Gumby]

Like Hondaracer says, that map can be easily faked, and it's the kind of propaganda one side would put out for media outlets to eat up.

[SkinnyPupp]

Like Hondaracer says, that map can be easily faked, and it's the kind of propaganda one side would put out for media outlets to eat up.
Yes but that doesn't cancel the possibility that it's real

[sdubfid]

Is it in Arabic with English number system? Any hamas members here? is that normal?

[MG1]

Also a very pristine copy.

No creases, torn or tattered edges.............


I'm a stamp collector. That them thar is a document in very fine condition. Looks like it hasn't seen much sunlight, rain, or dirt/sand of any kind. Maybe person used gloves.............Tee hee.

[hud 91gt]

I just spoke to a good buddy who’s sister is a reporter over there. Says Tel Aviv itself is pretty calm. Obviously not everywhere, but the “media loves to make a big deal of of things.” Not taking away from the situation just don’t believe everything you see/read.

[SkinnyPupp]

I just spoke to a good buddy who’s sister is a reporter over there. Says Tel Aviv itself is pretty calm. Obviously not everywhere, but the “media loves to make a big deal of of things.” Not taking away from the situation just don’t believe everything you see/read.
This is kind of a big deal, with our without the media

[mikemhg]

Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310)



https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-10/231013-Hamas-maps-1-ew-347p-559543.jpg

What pocket exactly? A dead guy?

So a dead guy had a perfectly pristine (doesn't even appear to have been folded) copy of a map within his shot/bombed pocket pointing to schools? Ya, alright :lol

Not even a spec of dirt. You try folding a map in your pocket and run around in the desert, tell me it looks like that.

This reminds me of when Colin Powell carted out those silly satellite pictures of "WMDs" to the UN as a means to start dropping bombs on Iraq.

Why do we continue to fall for this obvious propaganda?

[mikemhg]

Fuck I really don't want to come off like I'm being anti-Israeli here, I'm not.

Some of my favorite people in the world are Jewish.

My father is Muslim and he eschewed his entire religion when he left Nigeria because he found the religion to be ass backwards, hypocritical, and ignorant.

This entire issue is extremely conflicting because arguments made by both sides are right. Is Israel a more open and progressive society? Fuck yes. Their ideologies far more align with our own as opposed to any fundamentalist Muslim society. I would never want to live in a Muslim country.

At the same time, the way these people have had to live in this open air prison for the last few decades is practically insane. It is cruel, it is a form of apartheid, which is wrong however you want to dice it.

One of my favorite minds recently spoke about this whole situation, Gabor Mate. I recommend listening to his thoughts on this whole issue. If you know his story, he's Jewish, and a survivor of the holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_GDDa4bmI&ab_channel=YourInnerChildMatters

[Badhobz]

Lousy British. Another great legacy of human suffering that can be directly traced back to those colonial bastards.

But I think you gotta be a real fucking sicko to move your family to the Middle East and squat on some Palestinians land all the while hiding behind your military. Their government actively promotes this so fuck them too.

[SkinnyPupp]

What pocket exactly? A dead guy?

So a dead guy had a perfectly pristine (doesn't even appear to have been folded) copy of a map within his shot/bombed pocket pointing to schools? Ya, alright :lol

Not even a spec of dirt. You try folding a map in your pocket and run around in the desert, tell me it looks like that.

This reminds me of when Colin Powell carted out those silly satellite pictures of "WMDs" to the UN as a means to start dropping bombs on Iraq.

Why do we continue to fall for this obvious propaganda?
There's being skeptical, and there's being oblivious. Come on man lol

For these to be fake, it would mean Israel basically planned a terrorist attack on themselves, laying out in perfect detail the most effective way to attack Israel, and then.... just let them do it.... And then plant the plans on the soldiers.

That's a real stretch against logic, IMO. And that's not even addressing the somewhat ridiculous assumption that a dead soldier's maps will automatically be all blood soaked and destroyed.

[MG1]

This reminds me of my high school buddy I hung out with. The one who always said, "It's because we're jewish, isn't it?" Didn't mater if two of us (his friends) were as asian as asian gets.

Every time we got a raw deal, it was.......... because we were jewish.

We laughed and laughed at that............. not so funny now.


I get it. Jewish people throughout history have beed persecuted. Not sure what it is. Never bothered to find out.

Anyway, they say the majority of bullies once used to be victims themselves of bullying. I'll leave it at that.

[SkinnyPupp]

"Some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice we're willing to make" - Hamas, probably
Not so probably

https://twitter.com/YoniMichanie/status/1713242214917115963

https://twitter.com/astraiaintel/status/1713242138874404900

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1713404793790550313

[SkinnyPupp]

Do you guys think Israel's plan of:

-Evacuating Northern Gaza and Gaza city where most of Hamas is HQ'd
-Invading Gaza and clearing out any Hamas activity
-Letting the Palestinians move back into the area

Is the best case realistic scenario?

Hamas is actively trying to prevent it, keeping as many Palestinians in the line of fire as possible. So obviously they're against it.

[Traum]

1) Demanding the evacuation of northern Gaza in 24 hours is already a dumb and impossible idea to begin with. It just goes to show that Israel is going through the motions of "I've given you the warning to leave already!", when in fact they don't really give a damn about the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza.

But hey, how is that different from their attitude towards Gaza and its residents over the last 50 - 60+ years?

UN has already condemned that the time-limited evacuation is an impossible ask.

2) Every indication is pointing to a ground invasion of Gaza by the IDF. The IDF spokesperson said they will exercise "professionalism" and not target civilians. I point blank do not believe her.

3) Even if Israel let Palestinians back into northern Gaza after they've "cleaned out" the Hamas HQ and fighters, does anyone really think the returning residents will just "let it go"? Even if the IDF wiped out every last Hamas personnel in Gaza, some remaining residents will simply form another rebellion / military / terrorist movement to hit back at Israel.

The fighting and bloodshed have been going on for hundreds and thousands of years. History has only proven that neither side will back down when the solution they attempt is through bloodshed.

[inv4zn]

1) Demanding the evacuation of northern Gaza in 24 hours is already a dumb and impossible idea to begin with. It just goes to show that Israel is going through the motions of "I've given you the warning to leave already!", when in fact they don't really give a damn about the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza.

But hey, how is that different from their attitude towards Gaza and its residents over the last 50 - 60+ years?

UN has already condemned that the time-limited evacuation is an impossible ask.

2) Every indication is pointing to a ground invasion of Gaza by the IDF. The IDF spokesperson said they will exercise "professionalism" and not target civilians. I point blank do not believe her.

3) Even if Israel let Palestinians back into northern Gaza after they've "cleaned out" the Hamas HQ and fighters, does anyone really think the returning residents will just "let it go"? Even if the IDF wiped out every last Hamas personnel in Gaza, some remaining residents will simply form another rebellion / military / terrorist movement to hit back at Israel.

The fighting and bloodshed have been going on for hundreds and thousands of years. History has only proven that neither side will back down when the solution they attempt is through bloodshed.

So according to a bunch of articles, Israel did not give Gaza 24 hours to evacuate. They told the UN to evacuate within 24 hours. To corroborate this, that 24 hours has since passed and there has been no incursion as far as what's reported.

[SkinnyPupp]

So according to a bunch of articles, Israel did not give Gaza 24 hours to evacuate. They told the UN to evacuate within 24 hours. To corroborate this, that 24 hours has since passed and there has been no incursion as far as what's reported.
I think they're saying it's due to the weather

[mikemhg]

Do you guys think Israel's plan of:

-Evacuating Northern Gaza and Gaza city where most of Hamas is HQ'd
-Invading Gaza and clearing out any Hamas activity
-Letting the Palestinians move back into the area

Is the best case realistic scenario?

Hamas is actively trying to prevent it, keeping as many Palestinians in the line of fire as possible. So obviously they're against it.

The last part isn't going to happen.

It's a silly move but that's why Hamas is encouraging people to stay, but the last time there was a forced evacuation the Israeli's ended up annexing the same land. They'll most definitely do the same this time, this is the plan in the first place. I doubt many of these people will be allowed back.

Skinny, lets go back to that map. You don't find it odd that most of the propaganda coming out of Israel about the Hamas attack seems to resolve around stories involving children? Why is that? Because it pulls at the heartstrings, anytime an allegation is made that involves hurting children, it allows a blanket response that is digestible by the public, no matter how harsh.

Hamas is doing the same type of propaganda themselves reporting that many of the civilians dying in these bombings are women and children. Is that true, who knows?

Serious question -- Is there a difference between killing a child with a bullet vs a bomb?

[mikemhg]

This whole thing is going to be a massive humanitarian disaster, Egypt doesn't want these refugees, it'll be interesting to see where they will go.

Gaza is going to look like Bakhmut when this whole thing is said and done.

Even if these people were allowed to go home when it's over (the Israel's won't allow this), there will be nothing to come home to anyways.

[Hondaracer]

Ukraine has infinitely more opportunities in every single aspect of life in regards to industry, agriculture, stability, etc. even as their war rages on. And in those regions where there is a possibility of rebuilding and recovering the likelihood of any “normality” ever returning it 20-40 years away.

What future does anyone in Gaza have? Little shop keepers and people who have nothing other than the home that lays in rubble. It’s not like they’re calling up their insurance agency and filing a claim. Generations of these peoples lives are now destroyed going forward and backward.

GG, good luck raising the next 3 generations of your family in a refugee camp.

[JDMDreams]

Ship them to Iran? Seems like they are like minded and Iran is giving them money and training already.

[Hondaracer]

None of these countries that support Hamas and the Palestinians want them in their own country. They just want them as pawns inside Israel

[Badhobz]

Man fuck face Trudeau better not start giving handouts to Palestinians to resettle in Canada. Just like those Syrian refugees.

Where the shit was my family handout when we got to Canada in the 90s broke as shit ?

[Hondaracer]

Your family weren’t part a religious group who adamantly opposes the western way of life, so you were SOL lol

Trudeau sends a bunch of money to Israel last week, then this week he disagrees with the human right atrocities being carried out.. lulz

[Traum]

What future does anyone in Gaza have? Little shop keepers and people who have nothing other than the home that lays in rubble. It’s not like they’re calling up their insurance agency and filing a claim. Generations of these peoples lives are now destroyed going forward and backward.

GG, good luck raising the next 3 generations of your family in a refugee camp.
That's why the only long term results the Israeli military action will bring is more violence. I can guarantee you that some portion of the displaced Palestinians will be joining Hamas or whatever other violent anti-Israel group that is there, while the others (displace Palestinians) will at least be sympathizers of the anti-Israel efforts.

Man fuck face Trudeau better not start giving handouts to Palestinians to resettle in Canada. Just like those Syrian refugees.
With Turd (and the Liberal gov) officially supporting Israel, it seems unlikely that Canada will go to any great lengths to assist Palestinian refugees from Gaza.

[Harvey Specter]

Maybe the West should stop meddling in Middle Eastern politics, and perhaps we won't have to send millions of dollars or find new homes for millions of war torn refugees.

[JDMDreams]

^ but white people numba one, must controls da world la:fulloffuck: it's the white way or no way how else do you make America great again by putting others below you. #wuhan virus

[SkinnyPupp]

The last part isn't going to happen.

It's a silly move but that's why Hamas is encouraging people to stay, but the last time there was a forced evacuation the Israeli's ended up annexing the same land. They'll most definitely do the same this time, this is the plan in the first place. I doubt many of these people will be allowed back.

Skinny, lets go back to that map. You don't find it odd that most of the propaganda coming out of Israel about the Hamas attack seems to resolve around stories involving children? Why is that? Because it pulls at the heartstrings, anytime an allegation is made that involves hurting children, it allows a blanket response that is digestible by the public, no matter how harsh.

Hamas is doing the same type of propaganda themselves reporting that many of the civilians dying in these bombings are women and children. Is that true, who knows?

Serious question -- Is there a difference between killing a child with a bullet vs a bomb?
The maps and info aren't JUST about kids though; that's just what the media has been putting in the headlines. The plans are actually insanely detailed, and for all the early questions of "how did they get away with such a large scale attack?" these plans answer those.

SOMEONE made a battle plan, and many of the terrorists had them. If it is propaganda, it means the provocateurs planned the attack, and somehow the terrorists followed the exact same plans. I find that harder to believe than "terrorists went after the most exposed civilians possible, and in some cases that meant kids"

As for women and children getting hit by bombs, it makes sense because Hamas puts their targets in the worst possible locations in terms of collateral damage. And I think I saw something about more than half the population in Gaza are women and children. More than average populations at least. I assume that's because a lot of the men become terrorists when they reach adulthood, and get themselves killed.

[Traum]

Maybe the West should stop meddling in Middle Eastern politics, and perhaps we won't have to send millions of dollars or find new homes for millions of war torn refugees.
As the US gradually evolved from an oil net importer to a net exporter, it has pretty much allowed its relationship with Saudi deteriorate. In that sense, it is already meddling a lot less in the Middle East.

Israel is an entirely different ball game though. I know initial support for Israel came from a desire to support a Jewish state, and as time passes, Israel is the US' trump card to counter-balance Russia's influence in the Middle East.

So does that mean if Russia can be made to implode as a result of the Ukraine war, the US might finally be able to stop backing Israel?

[SkinnyPupp]

Israel won't necessarily need so much US support eventually, as they have already been in peace talks with the surrounding countries. That's part of why Iran is so mad and setting up Hamas.

They're still going to be aligned of course, because it's not just about oil but security against the axis of Iran/Russia/North Korea/(and eventually maybe China?)

[Great68]

I don't know why it's so hard to believe these guys had detailed plans of their operations.
And with the countless videos out there of their indiscriminate killings and atrocities against civilians, I don't find it so hard to believe that children were involved.

Like you seriously think these Hamas monsters were out there on their rampage, saw some kids and pulled back, all like "yeah man, can't hurt kids, that's a step too far!"

Give me a fucking break.

[mikemhg]

I'm not saying that at all.

Who would think this wasn't planned? I don't see anyone making that argument, of course it was planned, one could never coordinate such an attack without planning.

My issue is with the details, specifically the Israeli government alleging dozens of baby beheadings without any proof or substantiation of that. I fully believe that is propaganda, you do realize that states tend to use flagrant allegations as a means of winning the war of perception with the public?

The same way during the infancy of the Ukraine/Russia war where both parties accused each other of their soldiers raping women. Why? Because it makes the other side look much worse.

Obviously Hamas killed some children. I'm sure the answer lies somewhere in the middle, some were shot, some might've died by other means (grenades, etc.). No way am I saying that's acceptable.

My question is why is it when an Israeli child is killed it's time to pearl clutch, but if thousands of more children are killed by dropping bombs on Gaza, it's par for the course?

Why is one fine, but the other is not?

[mikemhg]

I feel like some have amnesia from history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

Goldstein murdered 29 Palestinians in the attack, including six children fourteen years old or younger.[43] Several people were left with paralyzing wounds. Palestinians count the number of murdered to include those who later expired or were shot outside the mosque in the immediate aftermath.[32]

Children dying in wars and conflicts is the unfortunate result of battle, whether Israeli and Palestinian lets put that stupid argument to rest, it's hypocritical.

Let's not pretend that the Israelis haven't before, or actively target children over the course of this multi-decade conflict.

You know how many children are simply shot at the border by the IDF on a regular basis over throwing rocks? That's never talked about because the shooting of 1 or 2 Palestinian children on a weekly basis isn't considered "sexy".

What is the difference between a protracted series of killings over the course of decades, as opposed to a single mass casualty event like last week?

[Hondaracer]

Critical thinking isn’t allowed! Just get Angry! Angry from what the media feeds you incidentally owned and operated by predominantly Jewish men lol..

We’ve spent the last fucking decade with govt, organizations, charities, everythinggggggg trying to say all people are equal, all lives are equal, all children deserve a chance etc.

Evidently not when it’s Israel doing the bombing! Lol JT and every western leader is -terrified- to say what everyone else is thinking in that Israel is fucking FLATTENING Gaza and in those pancakes buildings there will be countless children, women, families who have nothin to do with this conflict other than trying to scrape out a life.

It’s pretty obvious that Israeli lives are worth infinitely more than Palestinians when it comes to the west’s perspective.

Everything is so fucking gross lol.. uhg

[mikemhg]

Critical thinking isn’t allowed! Just get Angry! Angry from what the media feeds you incidentally owned and operated by predominantly Jewish men lol..

It's that part that gets you into heat over here :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

My question is why is it when an Israeli child is killed it's time to pearl clutch, but if thousands of more children are killed by dropping bombs on Gaza, it's par for the course?

Nobody here is saying any of that though... I'm just saying "it probably happened, so it probably wasn't made up". As you say, children dying in war is an unfortunate reality. It's happening, it's being reported on, it's not fake news or propaganda.

That's the only argument I was having with you... Yes the media is reporting on it more, but that doesn't mean it's propaganda made up by Israel, and it doesn't mean they are planting these attack papers on dead terrorists. It's just what they do to get the most attention onto their story.

[westopher]

It's weird that Hamas killing 20 kids by (supposedly) beheading them is worse than Israel killing hundreds of kids by dropping apartment buildings on their heads. I think that's the issue thats being taken with the media coverage.
There is obviously something disgustingly barbaric about the killing of a child with your hands compared to never having to touch them or see them in the way you do it, but as usual, the answers lie in numbers, and a single casualty of war is too many, a single child is too many, but no matter what the application, 100 kids is worse than 10.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's weird that Hamas killing 20 kids by (supposedly) beheading them is worse than Israel killing hundreds of kids by dropping apartment buildings on their heads. I think that's the issue thats being taken with the media coverage.
There is obviously something disgustingly barbaric about the killing of a child with your hands compared to never having to touch them or see them in the way you do it, but as usual, the answers lie in numbers, and a single casualty of war is too many, a single child is too many, but no matter what the application, 100 kids is worse than 10.
When you look at CNN's coverage at least, they do not hold back on the atrocities Israel have been committing

Most of the world really is "both sides" except for the weirdos who take the opportunity to go after "rich Jews" letting their anti-Semitism show in the open, and the Islamophobes attributing all terrorism to an entire religion. Those fuckers can all take a hike

[westopher]

I agree that it's become more balanced once everyone did even 2 seconds of objectivity, but first impressions last and we saw the worlds reaction at the beginning. "We stand with apartheid....... I mean Israel! Israel! Oooopsies"

[Badhobz]

i dont know.... i think blowing up babies on both sides is good for the environment.

#vegans #enviroment #greta

what?! im being eco-conscious here

[SkinnyPupp]

This is an old video from a channel I follow, but maybe worth watching if you want to get caught up on the history of the region

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvqioF81BU

[inv4zn]

This is all in poor taste, but Genghis Khan reversed global warming at some point by killing 11% of the world's population

https://medium.com/exploring-history/genghis-khan-cooled-the-planet-by-wiping-out-11-of-the-worlds-population-a1a3dc31807e

[danned]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernPropaganda/comments/177qze7/proidf_propaganda_that_likens_hamasgazapalestine/

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernPropaganda/comments/177qze7/proidf_propaganda_that_likens_hamasgazapalestine/
?

[pastarocket]

Horrific murder and hate crime committed on this 6 year old Palestinian-American.

What kind of evil person would stab a kid TWENTY SIX TIMES to make sure that the kid dies? That landlord is messed up!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/us/6-year-old-boy-palestinian-boy-chicago-profile/index.html

In the photograph that introduced millions of people to Wadea Al-Fayoume for the first time, the kindergartener is seen celebrating his sixth birthday at his home near Chicago.

With one hand on a blue “Happy Birthday” hat on his head, Wadea stands in the warm light of the home, surrounded by presents. On a shelf behind him sits a wooden sign proclaiming “home.” A birthday video is seen playing on the living room TV.

Inside that same home – and just eight days after that photo was snapped – Wadea was stabbed 26 times by his family’s landlord because he was Muslim, authorities have said.

The 71-year-old suspect has been charged with murder and hate crimes, among other charges, and was ordered to be held without bond during a court appearance Monday.

[Badhobz]

i want this sick fuck crucified then flayed, then boiled in oil.

FUCK YOU

[JDMDreams]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brussels-shooting-swedes-1.6998429

Coming to a city near you

"Federal Prosecutor Frederic Van Leeuw described how the suspect, a 45-year-old man who wasn't identified, had posted a video online. He is alleged to have said in the video that, for him, the Qur'an is "a red line for which he is ready to sacrifice himself."

[blkgsr]

hopefully someone in prison gets him

[68style]

Dude is 71, ending him now would be doing him a favour

[westopher]

Israel bombing hospitals oh I mean a "Hamas base"
Stand with Israel though right?

[Traum]

Dammit... shouldn't have clicked the link and read this shxt...

Fucking up that old landlord bastard is not going to bring the kid back, but I still want to see him get fxxked and suffer the most painful tortures before he fxxking dies from it.

Shxt... :(
Horrific murder and hate crime committed on this 6 year old Palestinian-American.

What kind of evil person would stab a kid TWENTY SIX TIMES to make sure that the kid dies? That landlord is messed up!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/us/6-year-old-boy-palestinian-boy-chicago-profile/index.html

[Traum]

Israel bombing hospitals oh I mean a "Hamas base"
Stand with Israel though right?
The claim needs to be verified, but I suspect it would be difficult to make up a false claim like this.

My first thought when I saw the news was how the similar this was to Russia attacking a maternity hospital in Ukraine, and then the resulting outcry for how it was an unforgivable war crime. Well guess what... if the Palestinian claim is verified to be true, then I hope the western world will apply the same judgement on Israel as they did on Russia.

But hey, of course that would never happen.

[Hondaracer]

Israel bombing hospitals oh I mean a "Hamas base"
Stand with Israel though right?

You’re antisemitism is showing - skinnypupp

There is not another nation on this planet where this would be tolerated.

Especially given there are citizens of these countries that “support” Israel in Gaza.

Trudeau politely asks for potential Canadian hostages to be released as Israel fucking POUNDS the entire area with bombs.

Don’t worry though, Israel is super advanced, those bombs only hit the bad guys.

[JDMDreams]

That's the point, apparently the Hamas military base is under the hospital along with all their tunnels, accessed via mosques, public places, houses, so yes, the Hamas wanted the Palestinians to die or use them as a bargaining chip :ahwow:

[Hondaracer]

It’s hilarious there is this justification from the western world

Yea we fucking FLATTENED a hospital full of sick and old people, like, it’s a literal pile of unrecognizable rubble

But.. word is…Hamas was in the basement!

So.. Israel, a country who couldn’t tell soldiers were amassing on a border the size of Metrotown, know EXACTLY where Hamas is at any given moment.. lol

[mikemhg]

The 71 year old:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/714C/production/_131440092_us_murder1_jpg.png

He's a beauty.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/WoHZAx8.jpg

Lol! This is like that stupid subway Sandwhich meme

“My brother in Christ, YOU SUPPORTED THE BOMBERS!!”

[EvoFire]

It's looking like Israel is set up to fail by Hamas, they purposely triggered Israel so they'll be isolated. They are hoping what happened to Russia is going to happen to Israel.

Israel is taking the bait and doing it, but they also have no other way as it's a lose lose lose situation for them. Bomb the hospital, negative cause of casualties. Ground invasion to avoid said casualties, negative cause ground invasion. Don't do anything about it, still lose.

[mikemhg]

So as I said earlier, Jordan and Egypt are both drawing a redline to not allow these refugees enter their countries, as expected.

This whole situation is going to be a total disaster.

I agree with people in the thread, I really hope countries like Canada don't have to become the all encompassing "savior" for all of these people.

[CivicBlues]

Don't worry Honda is going to renovict his basement suite tenant and open it up to some well deserving Gazan refugees right? :troll:

[CivicBlues]

Strange how all your positions are now right wing except this one where you fall in firmly with the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ&t=4s

[Hondaracer]

I can’t have “conservative” ideas yet don’t want innocent people to be carpet bombed? Lol

I’d say the opposite is far worse, thinking you’re this all loving liberal than supporting Israel? Because Jewish people as a whole are veryyyyy left leaning right? Especially the ones most devout lol they are open to everything! Lol

[CivicBlues]

But you were out protesting Bush back in the 2000s when he was carpet bombing Afghans and Iraqis right?

[Hondaracer]

It’s all the same shit.

Deep down it’s not like I actually care about Palestinians. It’s terrible like all the rest but I don’t lose sleep over it. I’m more interested in why everyone supports Israel moreso than the plight of the Palestinians.

Just like I don’t really care about Ukraine etc. I just don’t pretend I do like so many others who don’t even have the most basic understanding of the situation

[Badhobz]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/017/886/download.jpg

[CivicBlues]

I dunno man, out of all that list I probably have the least sympathy for the Palestinians. Not because I'm an Israeli supporter but just the historical context in which how they were given so many chances at peace (however imbalanced) but instead said: Nah fuck that, you die now!

Worse ones off were the Iraqis who literally did nothing wrong and were handed a shit sandwich for pissing off the wrong American family.

[JDMDreams]

Yea I think it's the fact that what they are doing is no longer accepted anywhere in the world. Religion doesn't give you the right to kill children, innocent women, druggies at raves and treat women like animals. You dishonour family, stone to death for you!

And it's not an isolated incident either, it's like a 20000-40000 people army that has this belief. So what you don't take them down and let them attack you again on the 55th? 60th anniversary? :suspicious:

[Manic!]

https://i.ibb.co/5v52hVT/Screenshot-20231017-185411-Reddit.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8mqv11W/Screenshot-20231017-190057-Reddit.jpg


500 plus dead.

[whitev70r]

So who's narrative do you believe? Israel hit the hospital because Hamas HQ is hiding underneath? Or, that it was missiles gone awry from Hamas Militants.

Is there any intelligence that can verify one or the other?

[SkinnyPupp]

So who's narrative do you believe? Israel hit the hospital because Hamas HQ is hiding underneath? Or, that it was missiles gone awry from Hamas Militants.

Is there any intelligence that can verify one or the other?
I don't know if it's true, but it's been reported forever that Hamas purposefully puts HQs near (or right inside) targets like these, for this exact reason. It's why they told them to vacate the area in the first place.

No idea if that is true. But I would believe that over IDF intentionally killing civilians for no tactical gain, when the world has their eye on them. I'd believe Russia intentionally hitting these targets before IDF doing it..

But again, I have no idea

[inv4zn]

Latest is that there's evidence the hospital hit came from within Gaza.

Also the parking lot was hit, the hospital building is mainly intact.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714525133799342530

Theories are that that's not an air-strike. Explosion due to cars, weapons, etc.

I do hope Israel didn't actually bomb the hospital, hamas base or not.

[SkinnyPupp]

So the hospital wasn't destroyed, 500 people didn't die, and the IDF wasn't even involved. Lots of cars in a parking lot were destroyed though.

Huh.

Western media is going to want to reconsider using a terrorist group as a reliable source of information.. Or maybe not..

Just remember when you hear something crazy, think to yourself "would it make sense for them to do this?". Would it make sense for them to blow up a hospital and kill 500 civilians? Probably not. Would a sane person do it? Probably not. Would insane terrorists or dictators do it? Probably

This goes to both Biden and Trudeau.

Edit: It's interesting to see how the NY Times headline changed over time. From "Israeli Strike" to "Strike" to "Blast". At least they made their source somewhat clear; it would be better if they attributed the source to Hamas, not "Palestinians"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8rduneWoAAz68f.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

You’re antisemitism is showing - skinnypupp


I usually don't reply to what looks like pure troll posts, but I'll just say, admonishing Israel for doing bad things is not anti-Semitic. Getting angry at unrelated "rich Jews" for no reason absolutely is.

I get that people are influenced easily by good talkers, and a lot of really rotten people these days are good talkers, so it is what it is.

But... I don't know what else to say.. Think about what you're saying when you automatically go after Jews for everything. It is really revealing.

Also: *your

[Hondaracer]

Ah the NY times.. owned and operated by… wait for it….a Jewish family?

People like you get triggered by these borderline conservative outlets owning media companies yet when nearly every single one of the companies people in North America watch for news are owned by Jewish families you don’t think there is bias in the reporting? Give me a break.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ah the NY times.. owned and operated by… wait for it….a Jewish family?

People like you get triggered by these borderline conservative outlets owning media companies yet when nearly every single one of the companies people in North America watch for news are owned by Jewish families you don’t think there is bias in the reporting? Give me a break.

Edit: Nevermind. Just: FailFish is all

[SkinnyPupp]

Holy shit

[CivicBlues]

It's obviously AI generated. Clearly the Israelis destroyed the hospital on purpose and are now just using ChatGPT to create a fake hospital in it's place and just photoshopped a blackened parking lot....or something.



/s

[nabs]

I dunno man, out of all that list I probably have the least sympathy for the Palestinians. Not because I'm an Israeli supporter but just the historical context in which how they were given so many chances at peace (however imbalanced) but instead said: Nah fuck that, you die now!



You need to see it in a different context, you may not care about the people, but its the actions that happened.

Imagine you bought a house with land from a generational family, the generational family is long gone. Then some random day, a person from a different city pushes another family (with loose connection to the original generational family) into your house. Not into the basement, or into a suite with renta, they live in the house with you completely rent free, and then start claiming areas room by room. To the point where your own family is now living in a shack on the corner of the property. Then someone else from a different city all together, tells you you can find peace by giving away 75 percent of your land, and you won't live in persectution (which is not guaranteed). YOU yourself are the rightful owners of the property and you are told from some outside person that you need to give up most of your things that you hold near and dear.

It's really sad.

edit. i know this is really simplifying it, however its how I form my understanding and empathy.

[JDMDreams]

^^ so how do you feel about the natives? Who's the first to give their house back :suspicious:

[Great68]

You need to see it in a different context, you may not care about the people, but its the actions that happened.

Imagine you bought a house with land from a generational family, the generational family is long gone. Then some random day, a person from a different city pushes another family (with loose connection to the original generational family) into your house. Not into the basement, or into a suite with renta, they live in the house with you completely rent free, and then start claiming areas room by room. To the point where your own family is now living in a shack on the corner of the property. Then someone else from a different city all together, tells you you can find peace by giving away 75 percent of your land, and you won't live in persectution (which is not guaranteed). YOU yourself are the rightful owners of the property and you are told from some outside person that you need to give up most of your things that you hold near and dear.

It's really sad.

edit. i know this is really simplifying it, however its how I form my understanding and empathy.

The main issue with your analogy is that the palestinians never had control of that territory. They never "owned that house" (this is no different than how the Kurdish people were left without their own state after WW1). Israel and Palestinians fought a war over that fact in 1948. Palestinians lost, and in subsequent wars that followed.
Yes it's complex, but the notion that israel just illegally "took over their land" is not accurate at all.

[CivicBlues]

You need to see it in a different context, you may not care about the people, but its the actions that happened.

Imagine you bought a house with land from a generational family, the generational family is long gone. Then some random day, a person from a different city pushes another family (with loose connection to the original generational family) into your house. Not into the basement, or into a suite with renta, they live in the house with you completely rent free, and then start claiming areas room by room. To the point where your own family is now living in a shack on the corner of the property. Then someone else from a different city all together, tells you you can find peace by giving away 75 percent of your land, and you won't live in persectution (which is not guaranteed). YOU yourself are the rightful owners of the property and you are told from some outside person that you need to give up most of your things that you hold near and dear.

It's really sad.

edit. i know this is really simplifying it, however its how I form my understanding and empathy.

This has literally occurred almost everywhere since time immemorial. Especially in the new world and our own back yard. Thank god we are not experiencing terror attacks associated with the "Land Back" movement. Why is it the Palestinians are the only ones that have this chip on their shoulder and still taking up arms to this very day? Any out of all, why do they get disproportionate media attention? Could it be they're being used as pawns in a greater geo-political agendas by the Great Powers?

[JDMDreams]

Lol if they are so buddy buddy how come Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon didn't all take back their brother's then? No one wants your trash :lawl:

[nabs]

^^ so how do you feel about the natives? Who's the first to give their house back :suspicious:

TBH I really feel for the natives all over the world, cultures and history lost forever.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong because it is very complex, the use of people as collateral damage is horrifying, in any scale. The killing of innocent lives caught in crossfire is horrifying.

I'm just saying that that is where I get my empathy from.

[JDMDreams]

Yea but what about the 200 hostages that the Hamas took? So every time a group of people wants something it's ok for them to kill your people and take hostages? And say that you will publicly behead them? You can't let this slide, so next week they take 300 random hostages? :heckno:

[mikemhg]

That whole hospital fiasco is pure Spiderman meme to the fullest.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/BfMUVumZ8vdapt-0idcLmYW5zyg=/0x0:1280x721/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1280x721):format(webp):no_upscal e()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23265504/Spider_Man_meme.jpg

[mikemhg]

This whole thread is a pretty interesting microcosm of how much politics on this issue has changed, I'd say Trump has a lot to do with that.

In what world would you ever see people like Honda (conservative minded) take the side of Palestine? Back in the day if you were a Con/Neo-Con you would always take Israel's side on this topic.

On the flip side you're seeing lefties like Skinny falling on the Israeli end.

It's a fascinating change to old political dynamics.