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Israel/Palestine Conflict (2023)
!LittleDragon
09-18-2024, 02:12 PM
this is why organized religion sucks. Its the root cause of so much human suffering throughout the ages
its funny how all these religions are based on principles of "peace"
We're just another species on this planet and we fight each other for the same reasons why other species fight each other. Resources and territory.
Religion is just what we came up with to justify our actions so we can shift the blame to someone else... lol...
Hondaracer
09-18-2024, 03:10 PM
Religion killed more people than all wars combined. It’s also used for justification or at least the coverup for the most heinous of crimes. See: tens of thousands of molestations and child absurers from single sects of the Catholic Church ie. the Boston clergy etc.
Canada abstains from the UN resolution calling to withdraw from the West Bank
Follow da $$$$
whitev70r
09-18-2024, 04:04 PM
so what religions are at war in the Middle East right now? Or in Russia & Ukraine.
Netanyahu is the least religious 'Jew' there is. The age old conflict in the Middle East has gone way past 'religion'. Some Jews I know are the most secular people I know. It's mostly culture, race, and ethnicity imo.
Hondaracer
09-18-2024, 04:17 PM
so what religions are at war in the Middle East right now? Or in Russia & Ukraine.
Netanyahu is the least religious 'Jew' there is. The age old conflict in the Middle East has gone way past 'religion'. Some Jews I know are the most secular people I know. It's mostly culture, race, and ethnicity imo.
They are literally fighting over land they deem theirs as per their interpretation of THEIR book lol..
Israel has killed more people in a few months than Russia has in 2 years.
Badhobz
09-19-2024, 05:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imNKQUlDEKg
this is why i like foreign media like DW and south china post.
EvoFire
09-19-2024, 07:19 AM
I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.
I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.
pastarocket
09-19-2024, 07:30 AM
-listened to City News1130 this morning during my commute to work about this conflict.
A former CIA operative was interviewed about the Israeli conflict with Hezbollah.
He thinks that all these attacks involving pagers and walkie talkies are just a precursor to wider scale war.
That operative thinks that Israel will launch a ground offensive against Hezbollah.
Things are about to escalate between the IDF and Hezbollah.
whitev70r
09-19-2024, 07:33 AM
I think it's already started ... the bombing into Southern Lebanon & Hezbollah.
Yah, the devices were probably strategically phase 1 ... Israel will call it a 'pre-emptive' strike to prevent terrorist attacks on Israel.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/threat-israel-hezbollah-war-looms-after-lebanon-device/story?id=113833089
westopher
09-19-2024, 07:50 AM
I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.
I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.
A) the 15000 or so dead children didn't vote for them
B) the only reason Hamas is in power was because they would fight against the illegal occupation and evictions that Israel has been doing for decades as they pushed Palestinians into areas that are maybe 1/20th of the land that was rightfully theirs.
if israel killed my family and stole my land you better believe i'd be signing up with hamas or at least electing them
Badhobz
09-19-2024, 08:55 AM
Knock knock !
Who is it ?!?’
Hamas !!!!
*explodes*
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-19-2021/EyY-3c.gif
Traum
09-19-2024, 09:02 AM
this is why i like foreign media like DW and south china post.
SCMP is right to call it terrorism this time. However, in general, I am very skeptical of many viewpoints that SCMP is holding now, esp this editor dude Yoden Lhatoo.
For many years now, SCMP has become very pro-China, and a lot of their views are just biased. It has almost reached the point of "China good", "western countries bad" sort of level. They also have a tendency to paint a really rosy picture of anything China-related, so I wouldn't consider them to be an impartial news media at all.
DW, on the other hand, is very good. Always insightful, and they always get subject matter experts to share their views.
whitev70r
09-19-2024, 09:04 AM
To drink the 'China is great' koolaid and a different take on world news outside of China, SMCP is not bad.
Badhobz
09-19-2024, 10:29 AM
well they have to be pro china, otherwise, they'll get shut the fuck down just like apple news. SMCP at least is based out of hong kong and their office is right ontop of a major shopping center that my wife visits all the time, its a cool place and SMCP itself has a long history
mikemhg
09-19-2024, 11:47 AM
I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.
I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.
This argument has to stop being parroted, as it's wildly untrue.
Guess when the last election was had in Palestine? 2006.
The median age in Palestine is 20.
That means the average person in Palestine during the last election was 2 years old, meaning most people in Palestine currently did not vote for Hamas. Not only that, voter turnout back then was abysmal at best back then.
To make that argument sound even more ridiculous would be to say Americans today (who were not of voting age in the year 2000) are guilty of supporting the Iraq War because George W was voted in back in 2000.
It's a completely stupid argument that carries no value when you actually think about it.
Badhobz
09-19-2024, 12:13 PM
https://youtu.be/dw4yEhcGjq0?si=YCLhjRBW3aX9BBQr
Oh shit. Hezbollah says this act is a declaration of war
Well there goes my Middle East vacation.
EvoFire
09-19-2024, 12:46 PM
This argument has to stop being parroted, as it's wildly untrue.
Guess when the last election was had in Palestine? 2006.
The median age in Palestine is 20.
That means the average person in Palestine during the last election was 2 years old, meaning most people in Palestine currently did not vote for Hamas. Not only that, voter turnout back then was abysmal at best back then.
To make that argument sound even more ridiculous would be to say Americans today (who were not of voting age in the year 2000) are guilty of supporting the Iraq War because George W was voted in back in 2000.
It's a completely stupid argument that carries no value when you actually think about it.
That's fair given those facts.
But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?
whitev70r
09-19-2024, 01:15 PM
That's fair given those facts.
But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?
complicit ...
But still no, not complicit as gov't, Hamas, probably act more like dictators vs. true democracy and voting. See Venezuela 'election'.
westopher
09-19-2024, 01:52 PM
lol do you know how voting works in third world countries? It's not the same as here. Like they don't even count the votes. Its just like how Putin keeps getting "elected"
JDMDreams
09-19-2024, 01:56 PM
Can women even vote? :lawl::pokerface:
SkinnyPupp
09-19-2024, 02:13 PM
You don't blame citizens under a dictatorship for being under a dictatorship. Good lord
mikemhg
09-19-2024, 04:44 PM
That's fair given those facts.
But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?
Hamas isn't exactly "holding" elections :lol
Funny enough, Israel have been the ones that have been ensuring Hamas stays in power, and doesn't hold elections.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
Israel's own Prime Minister even admitted this fact:
"In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."
EvoFire
09-21-2024, 12:19 PM
You don't blame citizens under a dictatorship for being under a dictatorship. Good lord
I don't buy it. There isn't any disruptions, and support for Hamas seems strong amongst Palestinians. Sure maybe a lot of them don't care, but they also don't care enough to change.
Hamas isn't exactly "holding" elections :lol
Funny enough, Israel have been the ones that have been ensuring Hamas stays in power, and doesn't hold elections.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
Israel's own Prime Minister even admitted this fact:
"In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."
That's interesting. Can't say I am well versed in the happenings in that region of the world, just basics.
IDF = Israel Defense Forces………………. Hmmmmmm………….
JDMDreams
09-21-2024, 01:11 PM
You do know that is this all Iran right? They are the ones fueling this and putting the orders. Palestine and Lebanon are just the disposable pawns.
pastarocket
09-24-2024, 01:13 PM
The British PM must have missed breakfast.
Keith Starmer asked for the "return of the sausages" in reference to hostages taken during this conflict. :lawl:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/british-pm-suffers-unfortunate-return-sausages-gaffe-during-serious-speech
Klondike
09-24-2024, 09:00 PM
He's hoping for the best outcome, not the wurst
Badhobz
09-25-2024, 07:10 AM
That’s terrible. You’re terrible.
whitev70r
09-28-2024, 06:01 PM
Damn ... the IDF got Hezbollah leader. I thought that was a no no in International Law ... to try and assassinate or kill the leader of another country that you're fighting not in a combat zone.
CivicBlues
09-28-2024, 09:05 PM
Hezbollah doesn't run a country. And there's no such law.
And even if it was international law isn't enforceable.
Hondaracer
09-28-2024, 09:46 PM
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/09/28/hezbollah-leader-hassan-nasrallah-was-killed-in-beirut-strike-israels-military-says/
I’m sure there are far better articles than city news, but you’re telling me Israel can find top generals of Hezbollah, perform precision air strikes on weapon caches “below civilian apartment buildings” etc etc.
Yet the top intelligence agency on the world had no foresight on the mad max style attacks at the concert thay started all this? Lol.. ok
Badhobz
09-29-2024, 05:30 AM
Dem Jews killed his predecessor 30 years ago too. That’s two for two.
I’m sure some nut bag will rise to power and be even more extremist. That’s usually how these things go.
Why did you guys ban Charles in charge. Arrrggghhh it’s his time to shine right now.
68style
09-29-2024, 10:56 AM
Plot twist: He’s the next Hezbollah leader
whitev70r
09-29-2024, 01:54 PM
Effin Netanyahu is going bonkers ... trying to start WWIII ... striking Yemen now. Destabilizing the whole region. Assassinate him.
Hondaracer
09-29-2024, 02:27 PM
He’s our ally bro
SkinnyPupp
09-29-2024, 03:40 PM
He’s our ally bro
You still can't live down making a complete idiot of yourself on page 1 of this thread when your mask came off, huh. Keep at it KEKW
Hondaracer
09-29-2024, 03:42 PM
You still can't live down making a complete idiot of yourself on page 1 of this thread when your mask came off, huh. Keep at it KEKW
lol what? Bra you ninja’ed your little post about how the modern state of Israel was created when it just feeds into all this BS?
You’re the one who went on about supporting our “ally’s” when all they’ve done since is commit genocide lol
Why does the rest of the world allow this? I’ll wait.
SkinnyPupp
09-29-2024, 03:45 PM
lol what? Bra you ninja’ed your little post about how the modern state of Israel was created when it just feeds into all this BS?
You’re the one who went on about supporting our “ally’s” when all they’ve done since is commit genocide lol
Why does the rest of the world allow this? I’ll wait.
I didn't show support for Israel in any way. Your question is why Canada or USA are letting them do this. The answer is they are allied. You can fucking google it if you want.
You let your mask slip and made a complete ass out of yourself with your conspiracy theories. This is something you can't walk back. So just keep it up with the allies comment with no context. It's not going to help
Actually hold up, is Charlesincharge your alt? I might have to look into that. He's basically a slightly more troll version of you
SkinnyPupp
09-29-2024, 03:47 PM
I made a post about the formation of Israel (by Britain after WW1) for the people who try to argue this type of fighting has been going on in the area for centuries. I just didn't feel like finding a better source for it so I deleted it.
Hondaracer
09-29-2024, 03:49 PM
Oh yea they are an amazing ally. They’ve helped Canada so much.
Influential people, money, and power. That’s why people allow this.
It’s antisemitism to question why the western world allows 10,000 children to be killed? lol the answer is there are powerful Jews in positions where they out pressure on politicians and are influential in American and European politics.
Same reason why Trump and Kamala spend huge section of their “social” agendas on “antisemitism” when Jewish people make up 2% of the US population.
There’s probably more Haitians in the US than Jews, but they spend 75% of their social discussion on antisemitism? Lol gee I wonder why
EvoFire
09-29-2024, 04:04 PM
Completely in a vacuum, Israel bombing and killing the Hezbollah leadership is a HUGE fuck you move. It tells the world we know where you are, and we could have done this at anytime, but we are doing it now because you stepped over the line.
SkinnyPupp
09-29-2024, 04:05 PM
So now we're at "antisemitism isn't a problem really"
Keep digging
Hondaracer
09-29-2024, 04:07 PM
*yawn
Gumby
09-29-2024, 05:25 PM
Completely in a vacuum, Israel bombing and killing the Hezbollah leadership is a HUGE fuck you move. It tells the world we know where you are, and we could have done this at anytime, but we are doing it now because you stepped over the line.
Netanyahu also said something to the effect of "No place where Israel's long arm can't reach". Pretty bad ass (again, completely in a vacuum)!
Badhobz
09-29-2024, 05:29 PM
If the arabs did this, there would be global outrage and likely a US intervention.
That’s how fucked up geopolitics are.
JDMDreams
09-29-2024, 07:42 PM
I don't get the issue with this, they were shooting rockets into Israel and hijacking ships like some fast and furious shit. And the commander gets taken down, isn't this the same as getting Saddam or laden. Or do you prefer them getting them like Diddy. Put some baby oil and dildos at their apartment.
CivicBlues
09-29-2024, 08:38 PM
I thought RS was turning into Boomerscene but there's so much Gen Z rationalization here it's honestly puzzling.
If you can only rationalize that the only reason Western Democracies would ally with Israel over a bunch of ragtag fundamentalist shitheads and theocracies is because of "tHe JoOoZe", then you're dumber than a sack of rocks being thrown by Palestinian kids.
SkinnyPupp
09-29-2024, 09:25 PM
I thought RS was turning into Boomerscene but there's so much Gen Z rationalization here it's honestly puzzling.
If you can only rationalize that the only reason Western Democracies would ally with Israel over a bunch of ragtag fundamentalist shitheads and theocracies is because of "tHe JoOoZe", then you're dumber than a sack of rocks being thrown by Palestinian kids.
It's a barely concealed dogwhistle. I can only imagine what he'd say if the mask was to ever fully come off.
68style
09-29-2024, 10:04 PM
Seems a bit extreme to call out like that tho? I mean, I hold similar views over what Israel is doing and questioning western country support of them... I would think leadership in both Canada and USA are doing the same internally as they should be. Ally or not, those relationship status tags should always be under review and not just a given.
That said I mostly keep my mouth shut because to be honest, I don't really understand the intricacies of the region... I just don't think what Israel is doing is very genuine or... well... necessary? Escalation and attacks are not a positive way forward toward anything that's going to be healthy for the region.
As a casual reader of this thread I never got the feeling honda is doing much more than asserting a casual layman's opinion.
SkinnyPupp
09-30-2024, 12:56 AM
Seems a bit extreme to call out like that tho? I mean, I hold similar views over what Israel is doing and questioning western country support of them... I would think leadership in both Canada and USA are doing the same internally as they should be. Ally or not, those relationship status tags should always be under review and not just a given.
That said I mostly keep my mouth shut because to be honest, I don't really understand the intricacies of the region... I just don't think what Israel is doing is very genuine or... well... necessary? Escalation and attacks are not a positive way forward toward anything that's going to be healthy for the region.
As a casual reader of this thread I never got the feeling honda is doing much more than asserting a casual layman's opinion.
There's nothing wrong with questioning why your country has anything to do with them, going back 100 years, especially if you don't really understand the intricacies (I don't either).
But to go straight to "Jews rule the world" is questionable behavior (and the reason he comes across as having a "layman's opinion" if you take his posts at face value is because he's using dog whistles rather than stating it outright, which is what I am calling out). Because you know the people who spout that shit off also tend to have some even more questionable views.
whitev70r
09-30-2024, 07:29 AM
Seems a bit extreme to call out like that tho? I mean, I hold similar views over what Israel is doing and questioning western country support of them... I would think leadership in both Canada and USA are doing the same internally as they should be. Ally or not, those relationship status tags should always be under review and not just a given.
This, some people's thinking is so simplistic ... historic ally means nations must support them no matter what the hell they do ... uh no. It's obvious that UK, Canada, US are all calling Israel out for causing shit.
You ever have a 'friend' who do dumb shit?
Badhobz
09-30-2024, 07:38 AM
All my friends do dumb shit. I should go bomb them…
At least by attacking Yemen it might restore global trade as right now everyone is taking the long route around the cape instead of using the suez. Lower freight costs means cheaper goods for everyone (less profits for me though….)
EvoFire
09-30-2024, 08:16 AM
This is a layman's opinion. Israel was warned by the US something was happening, but not sure about what.
Israel chose to not do anything about it. Yes the kind of intelligence is very different, but I very much doubt that if Israel has the ability to flex and yell a proverbial FUCK YOU everyone involved in the region by a very accurate targeted bombing Hezbollah leadership, they sure as hell knew something was coming.
My view is Israel was just hoping for something over the line to happen and not just a few rockets, so they can start some shit.
Skinny called me out for blaming a dictatorship's ppl for the actions of a government that they had no chance in making a decision on. My view is the Palestine ppl are complicit with Hamas, and even support it. I do feel like Israel probably has a similar sentiment based on the rather lopsided actions in both Gaza against Hamas and in Lebanon against Hezbollah. They have the ability and intelligence, and can totally do a targeted strike but chose not to.
Of course there's also the issue of not escalating with Lebanon, and not alienating a much larger population into supporting a war.
Traum
09-30-2024, 09:55 AM
This, some people's thinking is so simplistic ... historic ally means nations must support them no matter what the hell they do ... uh no. It's obvious that UK, Canada, US are all calling Israel out for causing shit.
You ever have a 'friend' who do dumb shit?
For all the calling Israel out by Western allies, Israel has continued to escalate the situation in the ME though, which means none of the calling out actually made any difference.
Gaza is little more than a pile of rubble now, and even though Israel claims they are winding down their Gaza operations now, I have no doubt that Israel (or maybe just Netanyahu?) would rather just flatten Gaza into a completely lifeless zone.
If I have friends that continue to do dumb shxt and beat up on little kids / people half his size, you bet I will dump his a$$ and cut our friendship off even if we go way back.
Western "allies" really need to re-think their relationship with Israel, or at least with just Netanyahu. Maybe stir up some political shxt in Israel and drag him out of office so that his murderous fxxker can stop trying his best to start WW3?
Hondaracer
09-30-2024, 10:05 AM
Canada and the US just recently abstained from the vote at the UN which passed unanimously to withdraw from the Gaza Strip essentially due to the “wording” placing blame on Israel for its current state, but let’s face it, they support the destruction.
Also great article here outlining the biggest congressional supporters of Israel in Nancy Pelosi and Trump
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/18/short-answer-why-is-the-united-states-so-pro-israel
Virtually every article you will find regarding the US’s “unwavering support” or Israel leads back to political influence.
People like Pelosi and Trump have -never- been motivated by power or money though.
SkinnyPupp
09-30-2024, 01:07 PM
Harris and Biden are right there too. In fact it could cause trouble for Harris because the more far left people will never vote Democrat because of it, while the more far right someone is, the more likely they'll vote Trump
pastarocket
10-01-2024, 07:09 AM
Shit might really hit the fan soon if Iran launches a ballistic missile attack on Israel.
The Americans know that an attack on Israel is imminent.
From CNN:
Potential Iranian ballistic missile attack on Israel could be very costly for Tehran regime, analyst says
From CNN's Nadeen Ebrahim
A potential ballistic missile attack by Iran on Israel could “cost the regime its head,” an Iran expert said, especially if the attack is carried out as a last-ditch effort to save face.
“Resorting to another direct missile attack on Israel would mean the regime (in Tehran) sees itself in more dire straits that Iranian officials acknowledge,” Behnam Ben Taleblu, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) think tank in Washington, DC, told CNN. He added that an attack could “easily beget a larger regional war” as Israel would likely respond much more forcefully than it did in April, when Iran fired an onslaught of drones and missiles toward Israel.
“A missile strike merely for the purpose of saving face could easily end up costing the regime its head,” Ben Taleblu said.
The White House on Tuesday said the United States believes Iran is preparing an imminent ballistic missile attack against Israel, and Washington is actively preparing to support Israel against such an attack. The US also warned that an attack of the kind would “carry severe consequences for Iran.”
Ben Taleblu said that should an Iranian attack take place, much of the region’s fate would hinge on how Washington responds, “which has been essentially absent from the past few game-changing weeks in the Middle East.” He also noted that Iran has the largest missile arsenal in the region.
Badhobz
10-01-2024, 07:18 AM
anyone know of a good iranian / Persian restaurant? i wanna go before the media turns them into the new "bad guy" and idiots start smashing their store windows.
ditto for Jewish food, but frankly their food god damn sucks.
westopher
10-01-2024, 07:31 AM
There's amazing Jewish food in Montreal.
Bar haifa is really good food. Kinda Persian mixed with PNW stuff. Service was pretty bad though when I went.
CivicBlues
10-01-2024, 07:46 AM
anyone know of a good iranian / Persian restaurant? i wanna go before the media turns them into the new "bad guy" and idiots start smashing their store windows.
ditto for Jewish food, but frankly their food god damn sucks.
Just go walk down Denman or North Van you can't throw a rock without hitting a Persian Restaurant :troll:
Khaghan, Gilaneh, Zeitoon are some of my regulars. Some are conveniently located in both cities :D
"Israeli" food is basically the same Lebanese food, unless you're talking about Kosher cuisine which is yeah not great. There's also a bunch of Michelin starred Israeli restaurants on the East Coast of the US.
pastarocket
10-01-2024, 08:58 AM
Iran started their missile attack on Israel. Oh boy.
From CNN:
Missiles have been launched from Iran to Israel, according to an Israel Defense Forces statement.
Sirens are sounding across Israel, it said.
Badhobz
10-01-2024, 09:22 AM
FUCK! i better go eat there. although i think all their chefs are too busy watching the news to prepare any good food.
EvoFire
10-01-2024, 09:32 AM
The Iranians I've met here are all probably the nicest ppl ever. I can't understand how the country of Iran run in such an odd way.
CivicBlues
10-01-2024, 09:34 AM
Comon we've all seen this episode before. Israel shoots down most if not all of the rockets. Iran gets to say they attacked the great Zionist satan with the full might of Allah's sword. Everyone forgets about this shit by next Wednesday.
Edit: And I'm right:
The Iranian Mission to the United Nations said Tuesday afternoon that Tehran’s response has “been duly carried out,” following a barrage of missiles launched at Israel.
Badhobz
10-01-2024, 09:35 AM
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-10-1-24-intl-hnk/index.html
"Iranian Mission to the UN: Tehran's response "has been duly carried out"
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
The Iranian Mission to the United Nations said Tuesday afternoon that Tehran’s response has “been duly carried out,” following a barrage of missiles launched at Israel.
“Iran’s legal, rational, and legitimate response to the terrorist acts of the Zionist regime—which involved targeting Iranian nationals and interests and infringing upon the national sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran—has been duly carried out,” the Permanent Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations said in a post on X.
The mission said that if Israel should “dare to respond or commit further acts of malevolence, a subsequent and crushing response will ensue.”
The mission added that “regional states and the Zionists’ supporters are advised to part ways with the regime.”
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so does that mean they are stopping? just like a few months ago where they sent a bunch of slow drones that all got shot down and said that was an adequate response.
Badhobz
10-01-2024, 09:39 AM
Comon we've all seen this episode before. Israel shoots down most if not all of the rockets. Iran gets to say they attacked the great Zionist satan with the full might of Allah's sword. Everyone forgets about this shit by next Wednesday.
Edit: And I'm right:
this is exactly why dem Israelis are so bold. Iran's pussyfooting around means ultimately they are not ready for a real war.
CivicBlues
10-01-2024, 09:40 AM
The Iranians I've met here are all probably the nicest ppl ever. I can't understand how the country of Iran run in such an odd way.
The Iranians here want nothing to do with the shitshow over in the country for the past 50 years. It's like if MAGA/Christo-fascists took over America and all the sane liberal wealthy Americans fled abroad.
In fact a good number of Iranians here and in the US support Israel. Many are Jews/Atheists themselves and I seem to recall Iranian flags in the crowd of protestors asking for the hostages to be returned.
pastarocket
10-01-2024, 09:41 AM
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-10-1-24-intl-hnk/index.html
"Iranian Mission to the UN: Tehran's response "has been duly carried out"
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
The Iranian Mission to the United Nations said Tuesday afternoon that Tehran’s response has “been duly carried out,” following a barrage of missiles launched at Israel.
“Iran’s legal, rational, and legitimate response to the terrorist acts of the Zionist regime—which involved targeting Iranian nationals and interests and infringing upon the national sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran—has been duly carried out,” the Permanent Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations said in a post on X.
The mission said that if Israel should “dare to respond or commit further acts of malevolence, a subsequent and crushing response will ensue.”
The mission added that “regional states and the Zionists’ supporters are advised to part ways with the regime.”
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so does that mean they are stopping? just like a few months ago where they sent a bunch of slow drones that all got shot down and said that was an adequate response.
I think that Iran is gonna watch closely to see if the Israeli's retaliate with a big show of military force. If Israeli retaliates, then Iran's leaders might escalate the conflict.
mikemhg
10-01-2024, 12:15 PM
Iran has no interest in any full on war. They've made that pretty clear, and its become tiring that rhetoric Israel/US have been trying to push about them wanting war.
Iran's little retaliatory missile attack is the equivalent of your buddy punching you in the arm and you having to get your "get back" without looking like a pussy.
pastarocket
10-01-2024, 12:49 PM
Iran has no interest in any full on war. They've made that pretty clear, and its become tiring that rhetoric Israel/US have been trying to push about them wanting war.
Iran's little retaliatory missile attack is the equivalent of your buddy punching you in the arm and you having to get your "get back" without looking like a pussy.
The US and even Jordan are setting up their military on high alert in the Middle East now after the Iranians fired 180 missiles into Israel. IDF confirmed about 180 missiles were fired into Israel.
The Americans are sending more soldiers for deployment. Jordanian military is on high alert.
The big question is how will Israel respond to the missile attacks.
The IDF will not let this go.
They don't think this missile attack is the equivalent of a guy punching you in the arm. -sounds more like a jab in the face if we are using hand to hand combat analogy.
If the Iranians think that Israel is gonna let this go with just some verbal threats, they are gonna be mistaken.
It's up to the Americans to talk to the Israeli PM and his security cabinet in order to determine what kind of military response would be adequate enough to respond to Iraq without escalating the conflict even more.
CNN:
Miller echoed National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan in stating the US will coordinate with Israel on its response to the attack on Israel, calling it “a significant escalation.” He also pledged that there would be consequences.
“Of course there must be consequences for Iran for this attack. We’ve made clear that there must be consequences. I’m not going to get into what those consequences are today, but they are things on which we will be coordinating with our Israeli counterparts,” Miller said at a press briefing Tuesday.
The Iranians I've met here are all probably the nicest ppl ever. I can't understand how the country of Iran run in such an odd way.
iranian people are normal people, they are hostages to the theocracy that is the islamic republic of iran. i've honestly never even met an iranian that went to mosque. they do consider themselves non practicing muslims as if to say culturally they are influenced by islam, but they don't pray or follow any of the rules. when you go to iran though there are definitely people who are practicing muslims. in fact the morality police is mostly made up of volunteers who do that shit for fun, whether because of the power it gives them or because they really do believe what others are doing is immoral, or both.
Hakkaboy
10-01-2024, 01:43 PM
The US and even Jordan are setting up their military on high alert in the Middle East now after the Iranians fired 180 missiles into Israel. IDF confirmed about 180 missiles were fired into Israel.
The Americans are sending more soldiers for deployment. Jordanian military is on high alert.
The big question is how will Israel respond to the missile attacks.
The IDF will not let this go.
They don't think this missile attack is the equivalent of a guy punching you in the arm. -sounds more like a jab in the face if we are using hand to hand combat analogy.
If the Iranians think that Israel is gonna let this go with just some verbal threats, they are gonna be mistaken.
It's up to the Americans to talk to the Israeli PM and his security cabinet in order to determine what kind of military response would be adequate enough to respond to Iraq without escalating the conflict even more.
CNN:
Miller echoed National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan in stating the US will coordinate with Israel on its response to the attack on Israel, calling it “a significant escalation.” He also pledged that there would be consequences.
“Of course there must be consequences for Iran for this attack. We’ve made clear that there must be consequences. I’m not going to get into what those consequences are today, but they are things on which we will be coordinating with our Israeli counterparts,” Miller said at a press briefing Tuesday.
Didn't Iran already "attack" Israel back in April 2024? What's the retaliation for that by Israel?
pastarocket
10-01-2024, 02:04 PM
Didn't Iran already "attack" Israel back in April 2024? What's the retaliation for that by Israel?
You mean Israel attacking Iran.
April 1st. No April Fool's joke at all. Iran blames the IDF for killing some of their military commanders.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/middleeast/iran-syrian-consulate-attack-intl/index.html
Top Iranian military commanders were among the seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp (IRGC) officials killed in an airstrike on the country’s consulate building in Damascus, Syria, according to Iranian officials and state-affiliated media, which blamed Israel for the attack.
Iran’s Foreign Ministry said that senior IRGC commander Mohammed Reza Zahedi was killed in the attack. Haji Rahimi was named as the second commander killed in the attack, according to the IRGC statement shared by state news agency IRNA later on Monday.
The IRGC statement named five other officials who were killed: Hossein Aman Elahi, Mehdi Jalalati, Mohsen Sedaghat, Ali Aghababaee, and Ali Salehi Roozbahani.
mikemhg
10-01-2024, 02:39 PM
The US and even Jordan are setting up their military on high alert in the Middle East now after the Iranians fired 180 missiles into Israel. IDF confirmed about 180 missiles were fired into Israel.
The Americans are sending more soldiers for deployment. Jordanian military is on high alert.
The big question is how will Israel respond to the missile attacks.
The IDF will not let this go.
They don't think this missile attack is the equivalent of a guy punching you in the arm. -sounds more like a jab in the face if we are using hand to hand combat analogy.
If the Iranians think that Israel is gonna let this go with just some verbal threats, they are gonna be mistaken.
It's up to the Americans to talk to the Israeli PM and his security cabinet in order to determine what kind of military response would be adequate enough to respond to Iraq without escalating the conflict even more.
CNN:
Miller echoed National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan in stating the US will coordinate with Israel on its response to the attack on Israel, calling it “a significant escalation.” He also pledged that there would be consequences.
“Of course there must be consequences for Iran for this attack. We’ve made clear that there must be consequences. I’m not going to get into what those consequences are today, but they are things on which we will be coordinating with our Israeli counterparts,” Miller said at a press briefing Tuesday.
The US/Israel have been chomping at the bit for decades now to have a full-scale war with Iran, they just haven't had the political equity to have that supported by the public (hence blaming everything under the sun on Iran).
The reason I refer to their little missiles as a punch in the arm is because it is just that. Those missiles for the most part will be completely intercepted and destroyed by the iron dome, Iran knows full well their little volley will result in little to no damage on Israel.
This is all to save face to not appear weak doormats. Israel is doing everything within their power to goad them into doing something foolish to allow them to kick off a war, that's as clear as day.
They're like a school bully pushing a weak kid hit them back, once that kid hits back, it gives the bully every opportunity to then knock his head off.
Hakkaboy
10-01-2024, 02:48 PM
You mean Israel attacking Iran.
April 1st. No April Fool's joke at all. Iran blames the IDF for killing some of their military commanders.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/middleeast/iran-syrian-consulate-attack-intl/index.html
Top Iranian military commanders were among the seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp (IRGC) officials killed in an airstrike on the country’s consulate building in Damascus, Syria, according to Iranian officials and state-affiliated media, which blamed Israel for the attack.
Iran’s Foreign Ministry said that senior IRGC commander Mohammed Reza Zahedi was killed in the attack. Haji Rahimi was named as the second commander killed in the attack, according to the IRGC statement shared by state news agency IRNA later on Monday.
The IRGC statement named five other officials who were killed: Hossein Aman Elahi, Mehdi Jalalati, Mohsen Sedaghat, Ali Aghababaee, and Ali Salehi Roozbahani.
No, I meant when Iran launched missiles, similar to today, as retaliation for the above on April 13.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-launches-drone-attack-israel-expected-unfold-over-hours-2024-04-13/
I remember hearing that Israel would retaliate back, but don't remember seeing any retaliation. However, now looking specifically for it, it looks like they did on April 18, but meh, it seemed pretty minor.
https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-mideast-tensions-4-19-2024-a7ccbae2e2844bab089e8e4377a24ddb
I think the point that others are making, and I seem to agree with, is that these air strikes from Iran look like nothing but saying that hey, we did something, and that's enough. More like just saving face.
pastarocket
10-08-2024, 11:32 AM
-interesting details from Bob Woodward's Book about behind the scenes conversations between Biden, Israeli PM Nentanyahu, and between Trump and Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/bob-woodward-book-war-joe-biden-putin-netanyahu-trump/index.html
Conversation between Biden and Benjamin Nentanyahu:
Bibi, you’ve got no strategy’
In the aftermath of the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel, Woodward describes the roller-coaster relationship between Biden and Netanyahu. While Biden supported Israel publicly, he fought with Netanyahu behind the scenes over how Israel was conducting the war in Gaza.
“What’s your strategy, man?” Biden asked Netanyahu during an April phone call, Woodward reports.
“We have to go into Rafah,” Netanyahu said.
“Bibi, you’ve got no strategy.” Biden responded.
That same month, Israel launched a strike in Syria that killed a top general in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, prompting Iran to launch more than 100 ballistic missiles in response, the first time that Iran had fired missiles from its territory directly at Israel.
The US, along with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other US allies, came to IsraelÂ’s defense. While nearly all of the Iranian missiles were intercepted, Netanyahu wanted to retaliate.
Biden told Netanyahu on a call to “take the win,” though the Israeli prime minister pushed back. “You don’t need to make another move. Do nothing,” Biden said.
In the end, Israel launched a limited, calibrated strike against Iran, which Biden considered a win.
“I know he’s going to do something but the way I limit it is tell him to ‘Do nothing,” Biden told his advisers, according to Woodward.
But Bidens frustration with Netanyahu boiled over as the war continued to escalate.
“He’s a fucking liar,” Biden said privately of Netanyahu, after Israel went into Rafah, Woodward writes.
“Bibi, what the fuck?” Biden yelled at Netanyahu in July after an Israeli airstrike killed a top Hezbollah military commander and three civilians in Beirut, according to Woodward.
“You know the perception of Israel around the world increasingly is that you’re a rogue state, a rogue actor,” Biden said to Netanyahu.
Netanyahu responded that the target was “one of the leading terrorists.”
“We saw an opportunity and took it,” Netanyahu said. “The harder you hit, the more successful you’re going to be in the negotiation.”
EvoFire
10-08-2024, 02:02 PM
-interesting details from Bob Woodward's Book about behind the scenes conversations between Biden, Israeli PM Nentanyahu, and between Trump and Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/bob-woodward-book-war-joe-biden-putin-netanyahu-trump/index.html
Conversation between Biden and Benjamin Nentanyahu:
Bibi, you’ve got no strategy’
In the aftermath of the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel, Woodward describes the roller-coaster relationship between Biden and Netanyahu. While Biden supported Israel publicly, he fought with Netanyahu behind the scenes over how Israel was conducting the war in Gaza.
“What’s your strategy, man?” Biden asked Netanyahu during an April phone call, Woodward reports.
“We have to go into Rafah,” Netanyahu said.
“Bibi, you’ve got no strategy.” Biden responded.
That same month, Israel launched a strike in Syria that killed a top general in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, prompting Iran to launch more than 100 ballistic missiles in response, the first time that Iran had fired missiles from its territory directly at Israel.
The US, along with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other US allies, came to IsraelÂ’s defense. While nearly all of the Iranian missiles were intercepted, Netanyahu wanted to retaliate.
Biden told Netanyahu on a call to “take the win,” though the Israeli prime minister pushed back. “You don’t need to make another move. Do nothing,” Biden said.
In the end, Israel launched a limited, calibrated strike against Iran, which Biden considered a win.
“I know he’s going to do something but the way I limit it is tell him to ‘Do nothing,” Biden told his advisers, according to Woodward.
But Bidens frustration with Netanyahu boiled over as the war continued to escalate.
“He’s a fucking liar,” Biden said privately of Netanyahu, after Israel went into Rafah, Woodward writes.
“Bibi, what the fuck?” Biden yelled at Netanyahu in July after an Israeli airstrike killed a top Hezbollah military commander and three civilians in Beirut, according to Woodward.
“You know the perception of Israel around the world increasingly is that you’re a rogue state, a rogue actor,” Biden said to Netanyahu.
Netanyahu responded that the target was “one of the leading terrorists.”
“We saw an opportunity and took it,” Netanyahu said. “The harder you hit, the more successful you’re going to be in the negotiation.”
Some of that stuff seems so out of this world I question if it was all dreamt up. But at the same time it seems like a super interesting read.
JDMDreams
10-17-2024, 03:00 PM
Ooo sinwar dead
Badhobz
10-25-2024, 08:52 PM
https://youtu.be/mwvlOzlB-vA?si=pgFy8aa1dMBJJeoK
GG. More attacks from Israel on Iran as retaliation
westopher
11-21-2024, 08:30 AM
https://apple.news/AOtvDr95LRRu7ci_E2cWLQw
In their decision, the ICC judges said there were reasonable grounds to believe Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant were criminally responsible for acts including murder, persecution and starvation as a weapon of war as part of a "widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Gaza".
Netanyahu's office said the ICC decision was "antisemitic"
LOL surprise surprise.
whitev70r
11-21-2024, 01:14 PM
Yah, one constructive or critical comment on Israel and it's the Anti-Semitic victim card. :okay:
Traum
11-21-2024, 02:42 PM
I wonder what the general sentiments of Jewish people living outside of Israel are about the ICC arrest warrant and war crimes accusations for Netanyahu and Gallant.
Badhobz
11-21-2024, 03:19 PM
hey! hes in the same class as putin now. what great company
whitev70r
01-15-2025, 08:15 AM
Welp ... it's over ... presumably. Ceasefire deal, remaining hostages are to be released. Wonder what the politics behind it is.
Some reporting that Trump wanted this to end before he takes over and if not, shit will happen. But I thought Israel and Trump are best buds and he would lean on Israel's side.
Or, is it that Biden wanted to go down with the credit for negotiating this?
westopher
01-15-2025, 08:43 AM
I don't think it's over. Israel will violate the ceasefire deal within hours most likely. They already did on the last temporary ceasefire multiple times
Traum
01-15-2025, 08:50 AM
Some reporting that Trump wanted this to end before he takes over and if not, shit will happen. But I thought Israel and Trump are best buds and he would lean on Israel's side.
My guess is -- with Trump being best buds with Isreal / Netanyahu, Hamas leaders (or whatever remains of them) finally figured it wasn't in their best interest to keep fighting.
If I am understanding things correctly, Hamas leadership as well as their general capabilities have already taken a huge beating. They are in no real shape to put up a fight in Gaza anymore. Had they continued to keep resisting, the only upside is that Israel will continue to pound civilian infrastructure in Gaza, and continue to earn international condemnation for committing war crimes and other humanitarian catatrophes. But Israel obviously doesn't give a damn about any of that, and the international community aren't putting much meaningful weight or pressure towards Israel to stop anyway.
For Israel, their focus is no longer in Gaza anymore. So wrapping things up in Gaza would allow them to focus on their next target better (Hezbollah / Lebanon / Iran). Netanyahu can also take credit for finally bringing the hostages home, although I tend to believe that a lot of the hostages that have not been returned are either already dead, or their whereabouts aren't even known by the remaining Hamas leadership.
So it is a big win for Israel and Netanyahu, but they don't really care all that much whether they are wrapping things up now, or in 6 months.
whitev70r
01-15-2025, 12:46 PM
FWIW:
Trump gets credit for what looks like a Biden's Ceasefire Proposal
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-ceasefire-trump-biden-1.7431005
Trump "pressed hard, and he clearly told the prime minister that he wants to see a deal before his inauguration" on Jan. 20, Avarham said, adding that the draft proposal is "the same deal" that was tabled on May 27 by the Biden administration.
Trump "pressed hard, and he clearly told the prime minister that he wants to see a deal before his inauguration" on Jan. 20, Avarham said, adding that the draft proposal is "the same deal" that was tabled on May 27 by the Biden administration.
westopher
01-17-2025, 02:09 PM
Ceasefire deal reached. Israel celebrates by killing more civilians since it doesn't start until Sunday.
"I might not be able to blow people up for a while so just getting it all out of my system" Netanyahu probably.
Someone needs dismember this guy while he is still alive.
JDMDreams
01-17-2025, 02:34 PM
^ right, Israel started this by abducting over 1000 random people for over a year.
westopher
01-17-2025, 03:15 PM
This has been going on longer than 450 days.
whitev70r
01-17-2025, 03:26 PM
^ right, Israel started this by abducting over 1000 random people for over a year.
you think Israel has exacted revenge 10 or 20 fold yet?
westopher
01-17-2025, 03:33 PM
Getting up to 50 fold now. If you forget about the 70 years or so before that.
whitev70r
01-25-2025, 11:42 AM
So why is it that when hostages are exchanged and released, Gaza released like 4 Israelis and Israel releases like 200 Palestinians? Maybe JDMDreams can answer this.
JDMDreams
01-25-2025, 12:54 PM
So they abducted 4 random women soldiers and held them for only a year, why did they only release 4? Did the rest of them die?
The soldiers — Karina Ariev, Daniela Gilboa, Naama Levy, all aged 20, and Liri Albag, 19 — were all stationed at an observation post on the edge of Gaza and abducted by Hamas fighters who overran their base during the attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.
They shouldn't have released these, they sound like real terrorist.
Hamas said the 200 Palestinians who were part of the exchange include members of Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), some serving life sentences. Egyptian state-run TV reported that Israel released about 70 of the Palestinians into Egypt.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-israel-2nd-hostage-swap-1.7441642
Sounds like a pretty good deal 1 for 50?
Hondaracer
01-25-2025, 01:35 PM
If anyone’s watched the mini series on the Indian plane that was hijacked from Nepal and ultimately the terrorists got what they demanded in the release of 4 Pakistani terrorists to release the civilians, when you release the worst of the worst in exchanges like this it never works out and ultimately it’s a moral dilemma
The 4 terrorists released during that air India thing went on to kill like 30,000+ people and one was one of the main architects or passengers during 9/11 lol..
Very good mini series if you haven’t watched it
CivicBlues
01-25-2025, 09:41 PM
Mossad probably put implants in the terrorists they released so next time shit hits the fan (say next week) they'll just send a signal like they did with the pagers and then... kablamo
EvoFire
03-02-2025, 08:06 AM
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/israel-to-conquer-gaza-with-overwhelming-force-to-defeat-hamas
Israel doing the crazy
StylinRed
03-04-2025, 04:53 PM
So why is it that when hostages are exchanged and released, Gaza released like 4 Israelis and Israel releases like 200 Palestinians? Maybe JDMDreams can answer this.
Because Israel randomly detains Palestinian citizens without charge, including children, it costs a lot to hold so many random people and it looks good in the media when they release 100s for just a few of their own (pretending they value their own people)
And they don't really lose their number of captives because they release a couple hundred to Gaza but kidnap 100 more in the west bank
Jason00S2000
03-07-2025, 03:02 PM
I leave this here without comment because I don't want to get banned on my first day back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmaIPy2CiBc
westopher
03-07-2025, 04:24 PM
That looks real for sure.
Jason00S2000
03-07-2025, 04:39 PM
That looks real for sure.
Is it fake? :pokerface:
westopher
03-07-2025, 04:51 PM
Jesus I assumed so but maybe it's not.:heckno:
Jason00S2000
03-07-2025, 05:14 PM
Jesus I assumed so but maybe it's not.:heckno:
Wait until you start looking up who the CEOs of Moderna and Pfizer were during COVID, and a huge portion of the staff at the CDC during COVID...
Wait. Don't do that.
Canucks are on in 45 minutes. Play it safe and keep the past in the past. :ohgodwhy:
Jason00S2000
03-07-2025, 05:43 PM
There were a ton of people gleeful that I was banned online everywhere for pointing out legitimate, verifiable facts during COVID, and now, years later, who is going to defend this woman's freedom of speech?
"First they came for the COVID skeptics, but I didn't speak out because I trusted the science..."
https://i.ibb.co/Nd2w2Bgg/bannedddddddddddd.png
danned
03-07-2025, 09:41 PM
who da heck
Jason00S2000
03-08-2025, 04:01 PM
Jesus I assumed so but maybe it's not.:heckno:
Isn't it funny you immediately dismissed it?
https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politics/episode/pm-trudeau-speaks-at-national-forum-on-combatting-antisemitism--march-6-2025
7:40ish mark... Trudeau says he's a Zionist. Not a peep about this remark on any of the mainstream news sites.
I have to bite my tongue before I say anything more. I kneel. They won.
how come when i search for this it's all the sketchiest sources from india or pro-israel news sites
Jason00S2000
03-09-2025, 09:29 AM
how come when i search for this it's all the sketchiest sources from india or pro-israel news sites
Wow, doing your own research? :drunk:
Maybe you'll start to realize just how controlled the news is. Nobody, NOBODY in the Canadian media has any stones to call out Trudeau for saying he's a Zionist. Why would they when they are bought and paid for?
See my link above... the full video is literally on Cpac. It is 100% real.
Jason00S2000
03-09-2025, 10:17 AM
https://youtu.be/6BAwCCVz_QU
mikemhg
03-09-2025, 11:03 AM
I don't know the point you're trying to make here.
PP is a Zionist, Harper is a Zionist, the whole US government are Zionists, its become the defacto stance these politicians have to take because of AIPAC, and all these other monied lobbying groups they're beholden to, it isn't good, but it certainly isn't a new thing.
It's like how Obama had to declare himself as a Christian running up to his election (when he's clearly Agnostic/Atheist), there are certain stances that you are required of you in order to have any position within leadership in the Western world, an unfortunate truth.
Jason00S2000
03-09-2025, 08:34 PM
I don't know the point you're trying to make here.
PP is a Zionist, Harper is a Zionist, the whole US government are Zionists, its become the defacto stance...
Reported for anti-semitism. :lawl:
Jason00S2000
03-11-2025, 03:02 PM
Oyyy vey!
What is going to happen to free speech in the next 4 years?
https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1899565856469778901
whitev70r
08-21-2025, 10:24 AM
Damn Israel ... it was only in 1948 that Israel was granted statehood. Now the Palestinians are seeking it and you want to bomb and pulvarlize the hell out of them. Eff you ... no, I am not anti-semitic.
westopher
08-27-2025, 01:41 PM
https://apple.news/A0P8eKvMiR0OnaI30iKm-fQ
Real question, why the fuck is Canadian city hall flying an Israeli flag?
Traum
08-27-2025, 01:51 PM
The burning of national flags has always been considered a form of free expression protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So just bcos it is an Israeli flag, it makes no sense for there to be a charge of inciting hatred.
westopher
08-27-2025, 03:30 PM
I wasn’t sure if I was mixing my constitution/charter rights when it came to flag burning being protected, but I thought it was here too.
Also a veteran arrested in the US for burning an American flag. Pretty indicative of the power dynamic right now and very gross.
Just because there is a Zionist mayor that’s somehow an issue, yet people carrying Nazi flags are allowed to until someone from the punches them and stops it. Fucking pathetic.
How quickly would a Palestinian flag flying at a government agency be taken down due to “antisemitism”
For the record, we shouldn’t be flying either unless every other countries flag is flying.
Traum
08-27-2025, 04:10 PM
US courts have previously recognized in their rulings that the burning of American flags is a symbol of free speech, and is thus protected by the First Amendment (of the US Constitution). But just 2 days ago, Trump has issued yet another EO to direct Pam Bondi (US AG) to prosecute people doing just that, and there has already been a guy getting arrested for flag burning.
At this point in the shxt show, I am basically expecting the POS SCOTUS to overturn the previous ruling on flag burning being a constitution right protected by the 1st amendment. The POS SCOTUS has already proven itself more than a few times that it will do this, and the Trump team has already demonstrated how they are effectively re-amending the Constitution thru a series of SCOTUS rulings. The procoess basically goes like this:
1. Trump issues an EO that clearly violates the Constitution, or otherwise exceeds the limits of his executive powers
2. Somebody sues the US gov at a lower court and wins
3. The Trump administration appeals the lower court ruling, and it goes all the way up to SCOTUS
4. Then the POS SCOTUS rules on some obscure BS technicality to overturn the lower court's decision, and basically grants the executive branch the power to do the thing that should have been a Constitutional violation
It is so fxxked up that I don't even know what more I can say to describe how wrong it is... FailFish
whitev70r
08-27-2025, 07:21 PM
Real question, why the fuck is Canadian city hall flying an Israeli flag?
It's a burb of Montreal ... full of smoked meat deli and Jews.
VRYALT3R3D
08-27-2025, 09:15 PM
For the record, we shouldn’t be flying either unless every other countries flag is flying.
The city of Toronto does this, bro
https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/awards-tributes/tributes/flag-raising-half-masting/flag-raisings-2025/
Its not that unusual, bro
CivicBlues
08-27-2025, 09:33 PM
So does the CoV. I hazard to guess most cities do the same thing.
People got all riled up because we flew the China flag a few years back. I"m sure tons of people would get pissed off if we flew the Taiwanese flag too. Russia, Israel, South Africa, etc. etc. Basically no one is happy and a bunch of busy-bodies raise a fuss.
westopher
08-28-2025, 05:57 AM
The city of Toronto does this, bro
https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/awards-tributes/tributes/flag-raising-half-masting/flag-raisings-2025/
Its not that unusual, bro
It’s unusual because it’s flying for no reason the week of August 25th bro. No significance to any day, just flying for no reason bro. Unless Israel just changed their Independence Day brotard.
blkgsr
08-28-2025, 06:12 AM
maybe we don't fly flags of countries currently tied up in war?
maybe we throw up the Russian and Chinese flags together at the same time?
VRYALT3R3D
08-28-2025, 06:56 AM
It’s unusual because it’s flying for no reason the week of August 25th bro. No significance to any day, just flying for no reason bro. Unless Israel just changed their Independence Day brotard.
They can choose to fly the flag anytime they want. If you don't like it, you can keep coping, bromigo.
Also contrary to popular belief, you can't set city property on fire and destroy it and say hate speech while doing it.
did CIC hack people's accounts?
we need a counter for how many times zionist was used on this page Kappa
westopher
08-28-2025, 09:21 AM
What word would you use instead?
i'm not really sure what people mean by the term these days tbh
when i google the term, it says supporter of israel, i'd probably just say that.
westopher
08-28-2025, 10:53 AM
Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist[b] movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through the colonization of Palestine,[2] a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism[3] and central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]
The first result. I don’t want to type this every time.
Badhobz
08-28-2025, 10:54 AM
What word would you use instead?
jewbag
blkgsr
08-28-2025, 01:16 PM
Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist[b] movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through the colonization of Palestine,[2] a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism[3] and central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]
The first result. I don’t want to type this every time.
Didn't Trudeau say he was a Zionist? or supported Zionist?
Then Canada just declares Palestine a state?
riiight
westopher
08-28-2025, 02:35 PM
Trudeau isn’t running Canada at the moment.
SkinnyPupp
08-28-2025, 04:13 PM
There's probably a 0% chance anyone watches this, but I watched the whole thing yesterday, and found it valuable. I think most of the value regarding this topic is found after the 47 minute mark, so you could skip ahead to that chapter. I'd recommend watching it all though, for more context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwpanShgOp4
westopher
08-28-2025, 06:08 PM
I love ms Rachel so I actually will watch it
VRYALT3R3D
08-28-2025, 06:53 PM
Let's see if Carney will actually recognize Palestine as a state or if he will CACO.
blkgsr
08-29-2025, 06:12 AM
Trudeau isn’t running Canada at the moment.
but he said that as the leader of canada....and the jews didn't keep him in power. guess that didn't work out for him?
JDMDreams
08-29-2025, 09:27 AM
Canada doesn't recognize the Indian state why would they recognize Palestine :joy::troll:
CivicBlues
08-29-2025, 10:43 AM
Canada doesn't recognize the Indian state why would they recognize Palestine :joy::troll:
sorry to break it to you
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-canada-high-commissioner-cooter-1.7619843
JDMDreams
08-30-2025, 03:11 PM
I mean the feather indians, you know the ones that can't drink
whitev70r
09-15-2025, 07:12 AM
This is such bullshit and pissing me off. We look back in history and ask, 'why didn't the world do anything when Germany was killing off the Jews by the millions?' And in real-time, you see the world not really doing shit when Israel has popped off like no other.
Israel continues to bomb the hell out of Gaza, now focused on Gaza city. 24 yrs ago, things like this brought international outrage. Even families of hostages in Israel is saying Netayahu is the reason why they cannot get them back.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/14/israel-flattens-more-gaza-towers-as-strikes-kill-fifty-three-and-famine-toll-rises
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/AA-20250914-39111312-39111303-ISRAELI_ATTACKS_ON_GAZA_CONTINUE-1757856891.jpg?resize=770%2C513&quality=80
Netanyahu is only obstacle to bringing hostages home, families say
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dqrg32zd9o
westopher
09-15-2025, 07:27 AM
Everyone is busy mourning a racist podcaster no time to care about kids.
Badhobz
09-15-2025, 07:33 AM
nobody cared about the kids for the last few years already. this shit started what? 2 years ago? hamas killed like 1200 jews in 2023 and since then like half a million Palestinian died in response? if thats not a genocide, i dont know what is.
mikemhg
09-15-2025, 07:57 AM
I was saying that to a group of friends, White.
Imagine we're witnessing a total and complete genocide, and here we don't seem to really care, I wonder if this is similar to how people felt in the 1930s?
At the same time you have a fairly large group of right wing folks in the west who will still parrot "Israel has to defend itself" or "What about October 6th"?! As if comparing 1200 deaths to that of leveling a whole city to the tune of upwards of 80,000.
We're in a stupid internet world, and we're all distracted.
whitev70r
09-15-2025, 07:58 AM
^ can I have a hug mikey?
mikemhg
09-15-2025, 08:19 AM
^ can I have a hug mikey?
Later this month.
Badhobz
09-15-2025, 08:23 AM
those few remaining hostages must be a total wreck. i can imagine dem angry Palestinians taking out their frustrations on these walking corpses.
if that nintendoyahoo fucker gave a shit, he would have secured the release of these people first before carpet bombing them into oblivion.
whitev70r
09-15-2025, 08:33 AM
Honestly, I think the rest of them are dead by now. If not by mistreatment, prob by starvation. But Netanyahu won't say that cuz that's his only reason for his continued genocide.
Badhobz
09-15-2025, 08:45 AM
fuck that stupid nintendoyahoo. hes worse than putin.. or at least in the same league as him anyways. at least putin aint starving kids, hes only destroying their.... homes.... and... yeah fuck him too.
CivicBlues
09-15-2025, 08:52 AM
Nobody cares because the word Genocide has no meaning anymore
Israel levels Gaza = Genocide
China puts Uyghurs in re-education camps = Genocide
White exist in North America = Genocide
WWII Fireboming of Germany and Japan = Not Genocide
Russo-Ukrainian War = Not Genocide
Burmese Civil War = Not Genocide
Sudanese civil War = Genocide but no body cares
Afghan/Iraqi War = GenociFREEDOM AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
68style
09-16-2025, 07:58 AM
There are actually a shit tonne of massive protests in the UK and other countries now, even some groups have started attacking companies that supply arms to Israel… but for some reason it’s not getting any media coverage outside the UK… or if it does they focus on the group carrying out vandalism etc as being a terrorsit group.
UK police be hauling away grannies in packs holding pro Palestine cardboard signs lol
Harvey Specter
09-16-2025, 10:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9xidsyxXY
pastarocket
09-16-2025, 01:04 PM
Nobody cares because the word Genocide has no meaning anymore
Israel levels Gaza = Genocide
China puts Uyghurs in re-education camps = Genocide
White exist in North America = Genocide
WWII Fireboming of Germany and Japan = Not Genocide
Russo-Ukrainian War = Not Genocide
Burmese Civil War = Not Genocide
Sudanese civil War = Genocide but no body cares
Afghan/Iraqi War = GenociFREEDOM AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
There was also the Rwandan Civil War and genocide in the 1990s. FeelsBadMan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
The Rwandan genocide, also known as the genocide against the Tutsi or the Tutsi genocide, occurred from 7 April to 19 July 1994 during the Rwandan Civil War.[4] Over a span of around 100 days, members of the Tutsi ethnic group, as well as some moderate Hutu and Twa, were systematically killed by Hutu militias. While the Rwandan Constitution states that over 1 million people were killed, most scholarly estimates suggest between 500,000 and 800,000 Tutsi died, mostly men.[5][6][7] The genocide was marked by extreme violence, with victims often murdered by neighbours, and widespread sexual violence, with between 250,000 and 500,000 women raped.[3][8]
CivicBlues
09-16-2025, 01:31 PM
Yeah and don't forgot the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s. Back then the word Genocide meant something - its when one group seeks to wipe out another group through killing. Back in the 90s, when shit made sense.
whitev70r
10-08-2025, 06:21 PM
so is this peace deal the real thing? will Galumf get his Nobel Peace Prize ...
Badhobz
10-08-2025, 06:23 PM
How can there be peace after he leveled the entire strip, killed hundreds of thousand and are starving the rest to near extinction. It’ll be peace for all of a few weeks when they get some more food and then it’ll be back to Jew killing as soon as they gather up enough humus energy.
westopher
10-08-2025, 06:53 PM
No matter what gets agreed to the fucking terrorist Netanyahu will be killing kids indefinitely until he dies.
Traum
10-08-2025, 11:58 PM
IIRC the last time a temporary ceasefire was established, half way through one of the negotiated phases when hostages and prisoners were released / exchanged, Netanyahu suddenly changed the terms on continuing the ceasefire. Hamas balked at it, and insisted on continuing on with the previously negotiated plan, albeit at a somewhat delayed pace. Netanyahu refused to continue, vowed to start bombing Gaza again if Hamas didn't give in. And when Hamas didn't give in to the altered demands, Netanyahu called on the IDF to resume the attacks in Gaza.
I pretty much expect a similar thing to happen again -- as soon as Hamas returns enough hostages, perhaps all the ones that are still alive? Netanyahu is gonna make up some stupid excuse to pull the ceasefie rug from underneath Hamas. And then they're resume their Gaza flattening operations aka genocide.
whitev70r
10-09-2025, 07:12 AM
Part of the peace deal should include the 'retirement' of Netanyahu.
JDMDreams
10-09-2025, 10:17 AM
Then why can't they return the hostages? It's been two years, how many is still alive?
Badhobz
10-09-2025, 10:32 AM
pretty sure you dont even want these people back... thats going to be a real basket case of a human being after 2 years with the humus people.
westopher
10-09-2025, 10:36 AM
Then why can't they return the hostages? It's been two years, how many is still alive?
Have you read a single word about what’s going on? Do you know what a hostage is?
JDMDreams
10-09-2025, 10:50 AM
Nope and I stopped caring, all I know is hostages THAT STARTED THIS still has not been released. You can't ask for peace then if the wrong that caused this has not been rectified.
Infiniti
10-09-2025, 10:51 AM
Ceasefire you say!? Great! Maybe all the virtue-signaling can stop now.
mikemhg
10-09-2025, 11:46 AM
Ceasefire :lol
I can't imagine Hamas is even fronting much or any of a fight of any sort at this point, they've been decimated.
This "war" is essentially a grown man throwing a child around the room at this juncture, it's cute to call it a ceasefire as if the other side is even waging a battle back.
westopher
10-09-2025, 12:09 PM
Nope and I stopped caring, all I know is hostages THAT STARTED THIS still has not been released. You can't ask for peace then if the wrong that caused this has not been rectified.
“Started this”
So do you think giving the hostages back is going to get Netanyahu to just let Palestinians live in peace? After like 80 years of attacking them before the hostages? Just give em back! It’s so simple!
You should be out there negotiating.
Badhobz
10-09-2025, 12:27 PM
Ceasefire :lol
I can't imagine Hamas is even fronting much or any of a fight of any sort at this point, they've been decimated.
This "war" is essentially a grown man throwing a child around the room at this juncture, it's cute to call it a ceasefire as if the other side is even waging a battle back.
Yeah but this sort of mass murder will for sure breed the next generation of humus fighters. People don’t quickly forgot that a quarter of a million Palestinians were wiped out for lawls.
They might not be humus in label, it might be lavash or something, but this shit isn’t going to end. A fatwah on all these criminals !!!
JDMDreams
10-09-2025, 12:28 PM
Nah I got better things to do than mind other countries business or waiving flags for them.
then stop making dumb comments about it if you have better things to do?
westopher
10-09-2025, 01:19 PM
All he ever does is make dumb comments. I don’t think he has better things to do.
68style
10-09-2025, 02:04 PM
Haha what amazing things is he doing that negotiating for peace is beneath him
JDMDreams
10-09-2025, 02:20 PM
It is, this is literally the best case example of fuck around and find out
Badhobz
10-09-2025, 03:15 PM
All he ever does is make dumb comments. I don’t think he has better things to do.
FeelsBadMan i got a lot of free time okay FeelsBadMan
JDMDreams
10-09-2025, 03:22 PM
^^ did you go to Costco yet, I want to buy that new Costco jogger set they have but I can only afford the $14.97 clearance ones
6793026
10-10-2025, 06:27 AM
pretty sure you dont even want these people back... thats going to be a real basket case of a human being after 2 years with the humus people.
Keeping people alive is very very hard. Esp when you have impact as a bargaining chip. My uncle was a cop and he says if you want to hold ransom, you better get a guy / girl that's worthy. (oldest / youngest) and better not have some weird asthma or heart issues cause you leverage goes down to shit.
Oh, and you have to feed them well so keeping hostage alive aint' cheap.
68style
10-10-2025, 07:05 AM
Your uncle spends time thinking about strange things lol
underscore
10-10-2025, 11:24 AM
It tracks for a cop though...
6793026
10-14-2025, 06:20 AM
Your uncle spends time thinking about strange things lol
uncle spent time as police for years and retired as one. He was pretty high up and dealt with some unique cases.
Badhobz
10-14-2025, 06:21 AM
that reeks of PTSD. Poor guy must have a hard time going to bed every night.
whitev70r
10-14-2025, 06:43 AM
All I have to say is, if you have to give credit to where it's due, I'm still somewhat in disbelief that Trump got this done. Even if this is all he got done, the return of the 20 living hostages, and all the remains of the dead ones for what 1800 Palestinian prisoner exchange ... that's a pretty big deal. No one else was able to.
Whether the peace deal will last or not , we shall see. The children of this gen of Palestinians will grow up with some deep hate on the Israelies. One Battle after Another says, it will come back in another shape and form.
Traum
10-14-2025, 09:30 AM
I was watching this on Saturday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Pmv8u8J8A
and even though I was more or less expecting it, seeing it still left a pretty strong impact.
Perhaps Hamas is really at the end of their wits in Gaza right now, so they are really quite close to having no viable options left? And their leaders are getting murdered even when they are outside of Gaza -- in Qatar, for example.
I continue to have zero trust in Netanyahu, and I remain very skeptical the ceasefire will last. The way I look at it is -- Netanyahu saw a good opportunity to get the hostages back, so he seized it. It was as much for his own good as it was for him to do Trump a favour (in agreeing to a ceasefire).
We will see whether the ceasefire lasts.
westopher
10-14-2025, 09:59 AM
Israel is already being accused of withholding aid. Hamas beheading “traitors” publicly. War will be back on within the week.
The civilians want peace. Those in power aren’t interested.
EvoFire
10-14-2025, 10:56 AM
Funny how Chinese proverbs are getting brought up left and right here, but it reminds me of this one
神仙打架,凡人遭殃
It means the gods are having a spat, and mortals suffer.
westopher
10-15-2025, 07:10 AM
Under the ceasefire deal, Israel has freed some doctors, nurses and paramedics seized during raids on hospitals in Gaza, but other high-profile medical figures remain missing.
https://apple.news/AKjtlgCF9Q06aXBY0qLiy_w
All this talk about hostages and no one seems to mention the amount of Palestinians that Israel has taken as hostages over the last decade under the guise of “law and order.”
People who have been imprisoned indefinitely without any sort of trial or legal proceeding.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, that much I believe, but it’s time to label the IDF as the same thing. The only difference is they are provided weaponry by the US instead of Iran.
Badhobz
10-15-2025, 07:19 AM
you gotta put up a sign in your resturant, no hats, no shoes, no jews, no service
whitev70r
10-15-2025, 07:28 AM
All I have to say is, if you have to give credit to where it's due, I'm still somewhat in disbelief that Trump got this done. Even if this is all he got done, the return of the 20 living hostages, and all the remains of the dead ones for what 1800 Palestinian prisoner exchange ... that's a pretty big deal. No one else was able to.
All this talk about hostages and no one seems to mention the amount of Palestinians that Israel has taken as hostages over the last decade under the guise of “law and order.”
People who have been imprisoned indefinitely without any sort of trial or legal proceeding.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, that much I believe, but it’s time to label the IDF as the same thing. The only difference is they are provided weaponry by the US instead of Iran.
I noticed the massive discrepancy right away when they released some of the terms of the hostage/prisoner exchange.
westopher
10-15-2025, 07:49 AM
There has been a notable gap in the language used by media on how they portray Israelis compared to Palestinians. The “less than” approach when using empathetic language for Palestinian victims of violence has been dehumanizing in even the most left leaning mainstream media channels.
"To see the end of the war today and the release and the swap of the prisoners and the hostages is really a momentous day..."
-Natalie Portman
reminds me of george carlin
"Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?"
westopher
10-15-2025, 04:04 PM
Under the agreement, Israel also agreed to hand over the bodies of 15 Palestinians in return for every deceased Israeli hostage
Tell me again who the victims of terrorism are.
VRYALT3R3D
10-15-2025, 05:15 PM
Tell me again who the victims of terrorism are.
Maybe this article will help you, bro.
"Canada listed Hamas as a terrorist entity under the Criminal Code in November 2002. It is a criminal offence to knowingly participate in or contribute to any activity of Hamas. Canada has also listed the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and other groups as terrorist organizations under Canadian legislation, in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 1373 (2001). The Government of Canada has no contact with these groups."
https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/06/canada-imposes-additional-sanctions-in-response-to-hamas-terrorist-attacks-against-israel.html
Cheers,
westopher
10-15-2025, 06:19 PM
I thought you disagreed with the Canadian government on everything Mr sovereign citizen.
JDMDreams
10-15-2025, 07:51 PM
But did the Palestine say thank you?
CivicBlues
10-15-2025, 09:40 PM
Jesus, you people can't even take the good news of returning hostages/prisoners and cease fire in stride?
They're killing each other - :swear:
They've stopping killing each other for a few days - :swear:
I can only hope these are the first steps towards a lasting state when we can all collectively go back to ignoring whatever it is the fuck these savages do to each other again.
westopher
10-15-2025, 09:55 PM
Still withholding aid. Still killing. No consequences. But hey, rejoice for the week long fall vacation!
Traum
10-19-2025, 08:02 AM
And whaddaya know? Israel is once again claiming militants have fired at their troops in southern Gaza, but no injuries have been reported. So IDF is responding with airstrikes and artillery fire, killing a bunch of Palestinians (<10 at the time when I am writing this, according to the news I've read.)
All of this miraculously happened after all the still alive hostages and some of the deceased ones have been returned.
Has it even been a week?
Fxxk you, Netanyahu.
mikemhg
10-19-2025, 11:06 AM
What a surprise!
I'm so tired of the media falling over themselves to give flowers to Trump for brokering this joke of a peace deal, I feel like I'm in Lala land.
How hard is it to broker a peace deal when the enemy is already dead?
68style
10-19-2025, 01:48 PM
Everything I read re: analysis of said "peace deal" not filled with platitudes for dementia president said that world leaders were all extremely concerned with the lack of anything resembling a plan or substance... like... PEACE DEAL... okay but then how do you maintain it? Who's in charge of a wide variety of rebuild and monitoring situations? Who's coordinating efforts for relief? Zero actual efforts on how to deal with the after part.
VRYALT3R3D
10-19-2025, 02:13 PM
Everything I read re: analysis of said "peace deal" not filled with platitudes for dementia president said that world leaders were all extremely concerned with the lack of anything resembling a plan or substance... like... PEACE DEAL... okay but then how do you maintain it? Who's in charge of a wide variety of rebuild and monitoring situations? Who's coordinating efforts for relief? Zero actual efforts on how to deal with the after part.
What do you mean by: "Zero actual efforts on how to deal with the after part"?
The USA, Egypt, and other international countries(Indonesia, UAE, Qatar and Azerbaijan) have formed an International Stabilization Force (ISF) to help transition from wartime to peacetime. It is the first phase of many. As the IDF withdraws, the ISF takes over the governance. The ISF is a “temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee.”
68style
10-19-2025, 04:46 PM
Besides the fact it’s failing spectacularly as we speak? This addresses your wishful thinking:
“Another problem with the Trump plan is the international stabilisation force (ISF), which it says will be composed of troops from regional states and other Muslim countries, and will assume responsibility for Gaza’s security after the IDF hands over the areas it leaves. The plan offers no details on the size of this peacekeeping force, the scope of its responsibilities and the means it will use to contain disorder, whether from clashes between Hamas and Israel or violence pitting Hamas against armed groups (some rival clans, others backed by Israel), something that has already occurred. Plus, though a few states have signalled their interest, none has yet committed to providing troops for the ISF – perhaps because of these looming dangers”
VRYALT3R3D
10-19-2025, 05:49 PM
Besides the fact it’s failing spectacularly as we speak? This addresses your wishful thinking:
“Another problem with the Trump plan is the international stabilisation force (ISF), which it says will be composed of troops from regional states and other Muslim countries, and will assume responsibility for Gaza’s security after the IDF hands over the areas it leaves. The plan offers no details on the size of this peacekeeping force, the scope of its responsibilities and the means it will use to contain disorder, whether from clashes between Hamas and Israel or violence pitting Hamas against armed groups (some rival clans, others backed by Israel), something that has already occurred. Plus, though a few states have signalled their interest, none has yet committed to providing troops for the ISF – perhaps because of these looming dangers”
Bromigo, are you hoping it fails? Also, what is the source for what you quoted?
Egypt is expected to lead a four-nation Gaza “stabilisation” force envisaged by US President Donald Trump's 20-point peace plan for the war-devastated enclave, sources told The National on Sunday.
They said the International Stabilisation Force will be made up of at least 4,000 troops from Egypt, Azerbaijan, Turkey and Indonesia. Egypt, in collaboration with the US, will be seeking a UN Security Council resolution establishing the force and spelling out its mandate, they added.
The proposed force will be working alongside an estimated 3,000 Palestinians nominated by the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority. The Palestinians will take charge of intelligence-gathering and preventive security in Gaza, said the sources. Some of them have already been trained by Egypt and Jordan.
Included in the mandate of the proposed force is overseeing the establishment of field hospitals to compensate for the significant damage sustained by the territory's health facilities. It's also mandated to repair bakeries and other vital infrastructure sites.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2025/10/19/gazas-stabilisation-force-to-be-led-by-egypt-and-include-troops-from-turkey-azerbaijan-and-indonesia/
Cheers,
68style
10-19-2025, 09:10 PM
It’s all phantoms out there, where are those forces now girl?
Of course I don’t want people to die, but they are and contrary to the claims of your fuckin hero giving people false hope with empty promises and bullshit propaganda using an entire race of people to prop up his own ego.
The audacity to fund and provide all the weapons and tech to a country to beat the fuck out of the other country and then come along and proclaim yourself saviour of said country you assisted in the pummelling of. True bunch of assholes. I see why you support his actions now, so much in common on that front.
Oh yah the source is only BBC UK you know… those fake news places when it doesn’t say what you want it to say right?
VRYALT3R3D
10-20-2025, 04:00 AM
ItÂ’s all phantoms out there, where are those forces now girl?
Of course I donÂ’t want people to die, but they are and contrary to the claims of your fuckin hero giving people false hope with empty promises and bullshit propaganda using an entire race of people to prop up his own ego.
The audacity to fund and provide all the weapons and tech to a country to beat the fuck out of the other country and then come along and proclaim yourself saviour of said country you assisted in the pummelling of. True bunch of assholes. I see why you support his actions now, so much in common on that front.
Oh yah the source is only BBC UK you knowÂ… those fake news places when it doesnÂ’t say what you want it to say right?
Is it that hard to post a link to your source? I found it. It is an opinion column from The Guardian. Thanks for quoting an opinion piece that happens to align with your personal view?
You made the claim that: "Zero actual efforts on how to deal with the after part." That is clearly not true and now you are backtracking, bro. I didn't know pointing this out suddenly makes me a "trump supporter" :lol What a lapse of judgement.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/17/trump-gaza-peace-plan-withdrawal-israel-troops
68style
10-20-2025, 06:44 AM
There is no force anywhere. Show me a soldier in any sort of uniform policing things in Gaza.
You just can’t stop when you’re wrong. How’s the peace agreement going? Super detailed and working right?
You’re worthless to discuss anything with, living in an abject reality.
For someone who says they’re “not pro-Trump” you sure have a hard time keeping his dick out of your mouth :)
VRYALT3R3D
10-20-2025, 07:56 AM
There is no force anywhere. Show me a soldier in any sort of uniform policing things in Gaza.
You just can’t stop when you’re wrong. How’s the peace agreement going? Super detailed and working right?
You’re worthless to discuss anything with, living in an abject reality.
For someone who says they’re “not pro-Trump” you sure have a hard time keeping his dick out of your mouth :)
Bro, you are incapable of looking at things objectively and therefore have such a parochial view. The Trump administration has worked assiduously to come out with a plan that has been agreed upon and is being carried out in phases. The USA is obviously not the only stakeholder involved. Establishing a peacekeeping force in Gaza requires a resolution from the UN Security Council. This is what Egypt is working on as of today to get approval this week. This doesn't happen overnight.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2025/10/20/egypt-pushing-for-quick-un-resolution-to-establish-gaza-peacekeeping-mission-says-fm/
Cheers,
68style
10-20-2025, 08:01 AM
Seems like something that would have been prudent to do BEFORE ruining any good faith by having nothing in place for the withdrawal before it very predictably imploded without any monitoring or overseeing force to ensure both sides stick to the deal?
This is especially the case for Palestinians who have no real choice for government in the region, they either have Hamas who are the defacto government due solely to the fact they’re the only group that’s at least “organized” despite being a terrorist group… the only other choice is the Palestinian Authority which not one single Palestinian person trusts since they’re a puppet project of the Israeli government.
This peace accord is a failure. The proof is in what’s currently happening. It didn’t have to be, but poor planning and lack of consideration of the complexities of the region are ruining this opportunity.
VRYALT3R3D
10-20-2025, 09:30 AM
Seems like something that would have been prudent to do BEFORE ruining any good faith by having nothing in place for the withdrawal before it very predictably imploded without any monitoring or overseeing force to ensure both sides stick to the deal?
This is especially the case for Palestinians who have no real choice for government in the region, they either have Hamas who are the defacto government due solely to the fact they’re the only group that’s at least “organized” despite being a terrorist group… the only other choice is the Palestinian Authority which not one single Palestinian person trusts since they’re a puppet project of the Israeli government.
This peace accord is a failure. The proof is in what’s currently happening. It didn’t have to be, but poor planning and lack of consideration of the complexities of the region are ruining this opportunity.
Well, that is the UN's fault for not moving quickly enough. Thankfully it seems like a resolution will be passed this week.
Cheers,
CivicBlues
10-21-2025, 09:30 AM
Oh so you're saying peace processes between two deranged parties take time, but a trade negotiation with one deranged party? WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A DEAL YESTERDAY!!
bcrdukes
10-21-2025, 10:26 AM
VRYALT3R3D with an avatar. Not sure I like this change. I am highly suspicious.
mikemhg
10-28-2025, 10:59 AM
Netanyahu orders Israeli army to carry out 'powerful' strikes in Gaza
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-west-bank-hamas-gaza-82b5b46cdbddd690dd28b7a8674d40d4?utm_source=onesig nal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=2025-10-28-Breaking+News
Guess that wasn't much of a ceasefire huh? I thought Trump was such a great peacemaker? Fuck the media for falling over themselves to declare this bullshit deal a win, this is Trump's North Korea "deal" all over again.
Much of nothing.
Badhobz
10-28-2025, 11:04 AM
Nintendo yahoo is fucking insane. You want some peace, go take a sega genesis and smash nintendo's face in.
JDMDreams
10-28-2025, 11:34 AM
Sounds about right, they didn't say thank you for getting rid of Hamas, they are lucky deer leader trump didn't put 100% tariffs on them, not saying thank you for the aid
whitev70r
10-28-2025, 11:37 AM
There goes Trump's Nobel Peace Prize ...
they are never gonna give him a nobel peace prize... the committee is norway.. they dont care about trump or american influence really at all
no american has won since obama in 2009
bcrdukes
10-28-2025, 12:09 PM
There goes Trump's Nobel Peace Prize ...
Can't he just buy one? :fuckthatshit:
westopher
10-28-2025, 01:59 PM
That will be his next crypto foray.
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JDMDreams
10-28-2025, 02:23 PM
Halal Gaza coin, donate to the less fortunate
spoon.ek9
10-28-2025, 02:54 PM
I think you guys mean the NobelPrez coin lol
whitev70r
10-28-2025, 07:30 PM
Netanyahu orders Israeli army to carry out 'powerful' strikes in Gaza
Much of nothing.
Using the distraction strategy ... on the same day, Netanyahoo was appearing in court for corruption.
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