Modern job hunting

[6793026]

Wow so much going on in this thread.

Wife said this is the only generation that's under performing than their parents. Yes that's true. Then you got the other spectrum with 150k fresh grad in Meta, only fans making 150k a month and or starting your own business.
So yes, these 'extreme' cases are there but never would have thought of in previous generations. FML - this kid filmed on IG taking family out for dinner and handing his day his dream rolex.... F this shit.

Let's talk about looks - yes being a sales guy - my profile is clean, up to date on linkedin and you also got to look the part. Hipster company = lose the tie, corp job = tie and glasses to look the asian accountant / IT / tech guy. Kid came up to me asking how to get a vendor job - he's been at retail for 3 months and didn't even have a linkedin profile. FFS.

I'm a bit glad these younger generation aren't doing well, it makes us 40 year really really valuable cause I can get stuff done, and the buck stops here.

#1 top question asked by new hires are 'how do we move up in the company'. DUDEEEE, there's only 2000+ jobs at this company where 1500 are in taiwan as enginners. Being in an office of 500 people, only 200 are at HQ. We sort of are 3 leaders away from being the CEO. How much faster or higher do you want to climb.

Do you not know you're not qualified, not good, and barely able to hold a conversation. The day you're able to sit in a board room, craft a 450 page contract and close Walmart & Costco account while negotiating a 45 million deal a quarter is when you mighe be able to ask for a raise and move up.

We have so many teens asking for "extension" on their papers and exams due to personal issues in high school and then UBC and now at work... you take a break for 2 days due to 'stress'.... go kick rocks.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by 6793026

The day you're able to sit in a board room, craft a 450 page contract and close Walmart & Costco account while negotiating a 45 million deal a quarter is when you mighe be able to ask for a raise and move up.

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).

Originally Posted by 6793026

#1 top question asked by new hires are 'how do we move up in the company'.

Also, people are told to ask this question during the interview process to show commitment - that you want to put time into this company and grow within it. And people are always told to ask a question, any question that shows that you'd be a forward-looking candidate.

[bcrdukes]

So many ballers in this forum.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn

no brainer, go for it. Title is more important than $ in most situations. The title will open more doors.

[winson604]

Recruitment being 1 of many portfolio pieces for me I've talked to and seen hundreds and hundreds of people come through our door trying to get a job. For years it was the same you know the usual mix of people both good and bad then in or around 5 years ago the newer generation started coming through more and more and holy shit you instances saw the differences. At my work before somebody is actually hired there is a lengthy 3 month recruiting process from application to skills testing to first and 2nd interview to reference checks. There are a ton of touch points I have with them via email or in person before we actually give them an offer. I'm not even going to get into the young ones that eventually got hired and how they perform but the biggest thing I've noticed is ghosting. Something that never happened prior to 5 years ago we'd have people apply, literally go back and forth with you via email on coming in either for skills testing or an interview and then the day of they completely ghost you and no show. No contact, no email saying I'm sorry thank you for the opportunity but I withdrawal my application just vanished like wtf.

Another random story my wife is trying to mentor this new kid at her work, super green he's like 18 or 19. Kids literally chat GPTing in real-time as my wife is telling him things in order to come up with a response or know what she means. Kid won't get far it's depressing I just hope my 2 kids won't be dumbasses.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

no brainer, go for it. Title is more important than $ in most situations. The title will open more doors.

As well, I think the experience of a high level interview is also a good experience regardless of outcome.

[Badhobz]

that being said, i wouldnt want a 28 year old director unless its some micky mouse organization.

In shipping, i havent seen any directors who are less than 40+ and they usually have a wealth of experience in the field.

[JDMDreams]

^^ how is shipping? Is it true that the straight is open, just pay $2m, and we pretty much run out of gas now cuz all the tankers are empty?

[Badhobz]

shipping's a gong show. we are passing the buck to consumers for all the fuel surcharges but its still not enough as the new problem is now unable to get bunker fuel in asia.

So the name of the game is to go as slow as possible to save fuel and absolutely zero speedups or schedule recovery. Meanwhile all the vessels are ladened to the max and over their proforma move counts which in turn delays other vessels. Snake eating its own tail sort of scenario.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).



Also, people are told to ask this question during the interview process to show commitment - that you want to put time into this company and grow within it. And people are always told to ask a question, any question that shows that you'd be a forward-looking candidate.

This is so great. Even if this doesn't work out man! Just the fact that an opportunity like this came up, and that you worked so hard in your life to have a real shot at it. Super inspiring.

[bcrdukes]

So when does BIC_BAWS become Director/VP?

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

This is so great. Even if this doesn't work out man! Just the fact that an opportunity like this came up, and that you worked so hard in your life to have a real shot at it. Super inspiring.

you trolling?

The boy's job is to host dinner parties and drink booze on company dime. Plus he's only been drinking and dealing for about a year

[bcrdukes]

Stop being such a Debbie Downer! BIC_BAWS is an inspiration.

[6793026]

As you move up the company, it gets very very lonely. People are always out there to take advantage of you, lay the law down and just want to see you fail.

You DO need to arm yourself with a solid 3-4 people to protect you. Particularly one in finance to check your math and help with execution.

Yes the fake it till you make it still rocks when you're in entry level but once you're in VP, the goal is to get rocking asap. There's this saying, say low make dough.

As for interm leader BS, if someone wnats you to be the face of company / leader of men, they will simply ask you to take the role.

[JDMDreams]

Yes he becomes director so he can hire us unemployed, and we can wine and dine with him for stake holder value, we'll even land,dei acknowledge before we toast

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

that being said, i wouldnt want a 28 year old director unless its some micky mouse organization.

In shipping, i havent seen any directors who are less than 40+ and they usually have a wealth of experience in the field.

In Korea.. people thought I was mid-late 30s.. fml. But it worked out for the work that I was doing.

Originally Posted by Badhobz

The boy's job is to host dinner parties and drink booze on company dime. Plus he's only been drinking and dealing for about a year

This is accurate.

But because the org is in shambles, I've had to "step it up" and show face at international events (ie. Korea) and rebuild relationships that past leadership dropped the ball on.

I'm also hosting an international delegation in Vancouver, where I'm inviting one of our board members to come as well. I had a fantastic conversation with him (and separately my intrim director) about my performance in my current role. I'll probably use that opportunity in a few weeks to test the waters on if I'd be a good fit for directorship.

Originally Posted by 6793026

You DO need to arm yourself with a solid 3-4 people to protect you. Particularly one in finance to check your math and help with execution.

Yes the fake it till you make it still rocks when you're in entry level but once you're in VP, the goal is to get rocking asap. There's this saying, say low make dough.

This whole org is probably 3 employees including me LOL. It has my role, my boss' role, and a PM. Then a whole suite of board of directors, who aren't employees. That's kinda why I'm hesitant, I can do whatever I want right now and present ideas that change our value prop (desperately needed) and be shielded from board scrutiny. I think all is good if I take the role AND I'm successful. But if I fail, I'm screwed - I'm out with no directorship, can't downgrade to current role, and I'm on my own.

My issue with past leadership is that they aren't business minded people. ie. They would pay for development costs on our website.. that are 10x the price of market - or of the projects I have executed and requested budget for, and have launched at a higher quality. Not to mention, I've had to jump into a project for past leadership.. because they didnt know how to use Excel lol.

Originally Posted by 6793026

As for interm leader BS, if someone wnats you to be the face of company / leader of men, they will simply ask you to take the role.

I like my current interm director LOL, would rather him stay tbh. Perhaps I communicated incorrectly, I meant, it just so happened that I ended up having to take on that perception in Korea, bc the rumor mills was that my org is falling apart, and then later quash those rumors with proof of commercial success in Korea. I wasn't necessarily asked to do it, but with this org, I'm not really asked to do anything and I have free reign to do anything (with the interm director just backing me on stuff).

For instance, I didn't ask to go on this trip. I sent an email saying that I'm going, here's what I'm going to do, and here's the budget needed.

[Badhobz]

looking older might benefit you in this role. But also, ya gotta take care of yourself young man. What might benefit you in your career will probably work against you in the dating world.

take it from a old geezer whos out of both games.

[JDMDreams]

Has any lesbians tried hitting on you yet, Ferrari girl to lesbian

[bcrdukes]

How do I apply for your old job, BIC_BAWS?

[6793026]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

I like my current interm director LOL.

Naw man, wasn't mocking you.

I never really understood why interm. If you're good, just give the person the rolel; and if you're going to interm someone, ask if he/she woudl want the role afterwards.... it hurts if he doesn't get it and you hire from outside. It also hurts if you hire someone from outside and the interm person has been there for 3 years... LOL.. make a decision already - "oh it's headcount issue"

Previous work, the leader got fired, so they hired / promoted within an 'interm' leader and didnt' even open up for others to apply. 4 months later, the interm leader crashed and burned due to personal issues.

Company started to invite others to be interm... they all told them to kick rocks.

[CivicBlues]

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

he's just two steps from becoming CEO! Why you all gotta shit on him?

[CivicBlues]

It's not a career ladder if it's a step stool

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by 6793026

Naw man, wasn't mocking you.

I never really understood why interm. If you're good, just give the person the rolel; and if you're going to interm someone, ask if he/she woudl want the role afterwards.... it hurts if he doesn't get it and you hire from outside. It also hurts if you hire someone from outside and the interm person has been there for 3 years... LOL.. make a decision already - "oh it's headcount issue"

Oh, I misunderstood haha.

In my org, the interm exists, because our co-directors (2), "left" the org. So someone from the board stepped in to help steer and turn the ship around. He doesn't want the role tho, he has own company to run.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Wait a sec so your company is:
The Boss > The Director > You ?

Yeah sorry but the title means jack.

Board of Directors > My Boss (Director) > Me > PM

Everyone else is a contractor whom I have access to (use and direct as needed).

[bcrdukes]

BIC_BAWS should be celebrated as a hero for taking a chance on life to get to where he is, and where he is headed towards. He is a true inspiration and we should be appreciative of his presence on the forum, being evidence that anything is possible.