Modern job hunting

[yray]

bicbaws old boss gonna send a cease and desist once hes a director

[EvoFire]

Echo the lonely at the top comment. If you enjoy the company of your team just prepare yourself for them to start distancing themselves.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by yray

bicbaws old boss gonna send a cease and desist once hes a director

I wonder if they know about this forum and have read his posts about them.

[68style]

Quiet translink reject

[bcrdukes]

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[RabidRat]

Jesus, the cynicism in this thread lol.

Just let the guy do his thing: if it's hosting dinner parties and drinking with clients that brings in business, then why not?? How is that different from being a partner in consulting?

It's okay that the world doesn't always work the way you think it should. Not everyone else's path to success has to echo yours.

[68style]

But it's RS tradition to give Bic_Baws a hard time and be a bunch of judgy uncles to him even when he's doing well

[bcrdukes]

RabidRat - Please ban 68style.

[BIC_BAWS]

im very likely to be slightly on the spectrum so this is endearment for me / flies over my head LOLOL

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

This is kinda where I'm stuck at right now, my boss's role (director, reporting directly to board) is up for grabs rn and I think it would be a good move to go for it. My orgs been going through a lot of leadership changes in the last quarter and currently I'm effectively the face of the company. The intrim director runs interference for me with the board and I get to do whatever I want. But the intrim director doesn't want the role and only stepped in due to leadership changes.

I think I have a lot of traits that would guarantee success in the role.

I have history of success in running a business as a GM, history of running startups, background in accounting so a solid understanding of P&L/Cash Flow/Budgeting in a business, etc. And in my current role, I'm already doing some of the Director's responsibilities like having a proven success in closing international deals, rebuilding our relationship with our largest partners (due to faults of previous leadership), building international relationships, currently planning a large project to Asia in Sept with many stakeholders, etc.

BUT I also have the self-awareness to know that I'm not comfortable in a board room, reporting to board of directors, lack the specific technical knowledge for the industry (tho I argue it's not needed as the org is really about supporting SMEs as a whole rather than needing specific knowledge of the SMEs technologies), and lack the age/appearance to be a "director".

I honestly think one life's best pieces of advice is: Fake it till you make it.

It would be a 50K paybump, with a lot more responsibilities and oversight. And I currently have the time outside of my working hours to work on side projects / other businesses that net me 25K/yr/client. On the other hand, going for this role, if successful, would put me on a trajectory that would allow me to significantly develop my personal brand and put me in a better position to jump to another role. Assuming that it gets funded, a future role is already being set up for me elsewhere, but this director role would legitimatize that future a lot better than my current manager role (with a public perspective).

Do it. Don't think twice.

I'm 44 and the last decade of my career I frequently doubted whether i'm "qualified enough" whenever I see a new opportunity that might be of interest.

So if I took my own advice, I'd say listen to the people around you. If they say you can do it, then believe them and go for it.

I honestly think one of life's best quotes is: Fake it til you make it.

[6793026]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Just let the guy do his thing: if it's hosting dinner parties and drinking with clients that brings in business, then why not?? How is that different from being a partner in consulting?

I do this quite a bit and it has changed SO much.

2010 - The Keg, Catcus club all day long, eating any where daily / weekly with clients.
2021 - COVID tanked
2023 - Everyone who wanted and enjoyed that lifestyle back in 2010 can't sustain no more. a) no one wants to see you since they are all WFM b) No one cared for those meals no more.
2026 - Many are EMO and dont' drink no more. You really have to dig deep to 'network' with someone who has kids but ok to come out, or young people who have no social skills to even come out and drink 1 freaking beer.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by 6793026

I do this quite a bit and it has changed SO much.

2010 - The Keg, Catcus club all day long, eating any where daily / weekly with clients.
2021 - COVID tanked
2023 - Everyone who wanted and enjoyed that lifestyle back in 2010 can't sustain no more. a) no one wants to see you since they are all WFM b) No one cared for those meals no more.
2026 - Many are EMO and dont' drink no more. You really have to dig deep to 'network' with someone who has kids but ok to come out, or young people who have no social skills to even come out and drink 1 freaking beer.

2026 me, I am both young and have kids. I have one drink and getting me to come out is a challenge

[bcrdukes]

I guess we won't see you at the upcoming Stock & Noob Meet.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I guess we won't see you at the upcoming Stock & Noob Meet.

That's why I have the perpetual late award.

[bcrdukes]

You already won the award for the 2026 meet!

[GLOW]

looks like i'm very late to this thread, i can't go that far back

Originally Posted by EvoFire

Echo the lonely at the top comment. If you enjoy the company of your team just prepare yourself for them to start distancing themselves.

something i learned is once you're in management, your friends at work are technically no longer your friends, they're now your subordinates. you learn it quick when you have to have difficult conversations.

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Jesus, the cynicism in this thread lol.

cynicism or life experience?
just kidding, i'll keep my cynicism to myself

Originally Posted by Eff-1

Do it. Don't think twice.

I'm 44 and the last decade of my career I frequently doubted whether i'm "qualified enough" whenever I see a new opportunity that might be of interest.

So if I took my own advice, I'd say listen to the people around you. If they say you can do it, then believe them and go for it.

I honestly think one of life's best quotes is: Fake it til you make it.

same... if there's 1 thing i learned, you can't get back time and opportunity, maybe that's 2 things. regretted not going for a couple of things i thought at the time i wasn't qualified for, and now that i feel like i do with years of extra exp the opportunity is not there. i've been telling some younger staff go for opportunities, especially internal temp ones, those are the best b/c 1) it's an opportunity 2) no pressure you can go back to your old job after you get a taste

for management, i find it is not an easy role, there's lots of bad managers out there, they may be smart or technically competent, but couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. zero people/communication skills and can't lead, or micromanage and provide no leadership. i've been pretty lucky at dodging (sometimes by a hair) having had these types of managers. i swear some are their own worst enemy (in addition to those around them)

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by GLOW

for management, i find it is not an easy role, there's lots of bad managers out there, they may be smart or technically competent, but couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. zero people/communication skills and can't lead, or micromanage and provide no leadership. i've been pretty lucky at dodging (sometimes by a hair) having had these types of managers. i swear some are their own worst enemy (in addition to those around them)

I think the mistake a lot of folks make when they step into management is that they don't realise that it's a completely different career track and not just a bigger version of their prior job. It requires a totally different set of skills applied in very foreign ways.

As a result we end up with lots of shit managers who don't really know how to do the job but who still get promoted and fail to train up the next round of managers.