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Mananetwork · 03-27-2007, 07:31 PM

to that cute puppy!

HyperREV · 03-27-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by MikesJo
Just shoot in jpeg hyperREV .

i'd rather have better prints than better web images so i dont think i'll switch back to jpeg. i guess both at once is an option as well.

Mananetwork · 03-27-2007, 08:22 PM

Interesting edit, decided to post this
http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/s...635&thecat=500

MikesJo · 03-27-2007, 10:49 PM

I don't seem to notice a difference between raw and jpeg photos...

ColinK · 03-27-2007, 10:55 PM

except for the editing ability...

Ronin · 03-28-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Senna4ever
That would be Ronin.

Present.

Kasino · 03-28-2007, 12:31 AM

dspirit79 · 03-28-2007, 01:08 PM

Out and about yesterday.

ColinK · 03-28-2007, 01:13 PM

Kasino, I really like that second catus shot. Pretty cool!

dspirit79: I like the second one best

Meowjin · 03-28-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Ronin
Present.

MikesJo · 03-28-2007, 03:36 PM

That's Ronin?

Soundy · 03-28-2007, 03:45 PM

Show us your tits!

laurencepak · 03-28-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by dspirit79
Out and about yesterday.

oh man......love the shots.!

dspirit79 · 03-28-2007, 04:54 PM

thank you colin & laurence!

it was pretty hard light out there yesterday. By my metering at about 2pm there was about 9 steps of dynamic range from shadow to highlight.

So I hid in the shadows for the most part.

Doc · 03-28-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by dspirit79
Out and about yesterday.

Incredible. wow. Great work, J.

~S

Meowjin · 03-28-2007, 08:04 PM

im jealous of the colours!

just imagine some of my landscapes with those colours!!! Especially of the ones of kits

:

MikesJo · 03-28-2007, 08:53 PM

Get a 5D

. Someone's gonna flame me.

dspirit79 · 03-28-2007, 09:27 PM

Thanks Doc! That photograph was a challenge. Out of the 4 I took, this is was the only good one.

Andreas: With your current setup, you should be able to pull out color like that. If you are not happy with the color, shoot in RAW. That being said, if your original photograph already lacks depth or proper exposure, then you got to revisit your basics.

Mike: Yes a 5D has nice color rendition, but look at Salar's work and Dennis's work. They both have good color control. Part of it is the camera, but the output can only be as good as the original photograph. They don't use a 5D, I only chose to do so because of the full frame capabilities. Up until the 5D, I was quite content with shooting with my 10D. If it wasn't for the full frame of the 5D, I'd still be shooting with it.

My biggest advice to everyone is to practice getting it right in camera. The composition, the use of aperature, use of shutterspeed and "seeing" light is what will make the difference in your photographs.
Many people on this forum can attest that I very rarely crop my photographs. I also typically shoot in JPG and use RAW in certain circumstances. My use of photoshop is pretty minimal now.

Before, I used PS much more to correct what I tried to achieve in camera. As my techniques improved, I don't use PS as much.

I also have a lot to thank Salar, Dennis and Tom about. Their honest critiques on my work has propelled me forward by leaps and bounds over this last year.

Now I appreciate the use of Photoshop to achieve some funky effects and neat images. My only one rant is this: IF you shot the image intentionally for the purpose of manipulation into your final product (that is to say you already saw it in your head before you pressed the shutter) then kudos to your work and vision. HOWEVER, if you shot the photo without thinking of your final output, then go to manipulate it to create an impactful image, then I think you should go back to the drawing board and look closer at your photography.

Some people may disagree with this comment, but I think PS has made people lazy in mastering skills in photography.

ColinK · 03-28-2007, 10:09 PM

I think you've got some good points in there.

I personally think the hardest part of photography, is "seeing" the picture. Anyone can learn about shutter speed and aperture by reading a book, but you can't really read a book to "find" a good picture. That's the artistic part of it. And what I love.

dspirit79 · 03-28-2007, 10:17 PM

Close Colin. Yes you can learn about shutter speed and aperature, but to really comprehend it and use it effectively is the key. This would mean a very solid understanding of their functions in relation to each other and to other elements of photography. By my observations in the workshops I've held, this is not always the case.

The artistic part is the beauty of photography, the expression and the limitless possibilities are truly awesome. A good picture often encompases sound basic skills and rules. If they don't necessarily follow those basics and rules they should have at least have had consideration of basic skills and rules before breaking them.

But my concern with the trend in photography is that people will start shooting mediocre photos and "fix" it in photoshop. It gives a false belief that everyone can be a good photographer.

Soundy · 03-28-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by ckrieg
I think you've got some good points in there.

I personally think the hardest part of photography, is "seeing" the picture. Anyone can learn about shutter speed and aperture by reading a book, but you can't really read a book to "find" a good picture. That's the artistic part of it. And what I love.

Here's a great article on "seeing" your photos: http://ronbigelow.com/articles/previ...ualization.htm

MikesJo · 03-28-2007, 10:43 PM

Justin you didn't sense my hint of sarcasm?

I used a 10D for almost 2 years. I know you can get good color photos out of most cameras

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Meowjin · 03-28-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by MajinHurricane

im actually pretty happy about the colours from my 20d.... but the 5d has "better" colours

laurencepak · 03-29-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by dspirit79
Thanks Doc! That photograph was a challenge. Out of the 4 I took, this is was the only good one.

Andreas: With your current setup, you should be able to pull out color like that. If you are not happy with the color, shoot in RAW. That being said, if your original photograph already lacks depth or proper exposure, then you got to revisit your basics.

Mike: Yes a 5D has nice color rendition, but look at Salar's work and Dennis's work. They both have good color control. Part of it is the camera, but the output can only be as good as the original photograph. They don't use a 5D, I only chose to do so because of the full frame capabilities. Up until the 5D, I was quite content with shooting with my 10D. If it wasn't for the full frame of the 5D, I'd still be shooting with it.

My biggest advice to everyone is to practice getting it right in camera. The composition, the use of aperature, use of shutterspeed and "seeing" light is what will make the difference in your photographs.
Many people on this forum can attest that I very rarely crop my photographs. I also typically shoot in JPG and use RAW in certain circumstances. My use of photoshop is pretty minimal now.

Before, I used PS much more to correct what I tried to achieve in camera. As my techniques improved, I don't use PS as much.

I also have a lot to thank Salar, Dennis and Tom about. Their honest critiques on my work has propelled me forward by leaps and bounds over this last year.

Now I appreciate the use of Photoshop to achieve some funky effects and neat images. My only one rant is this: IF you shot the image intentionally for the purpose of manipulation into your final product (that is to say you already saw it in your head before you pressed the shutter) then kudos to your work and vision. HOWEVER, if you shot the photo without thinking of your final output, then go to manipulate it to create an impactful image, then I think you should go back to the drawing board and look closer at your photography.

Some people may disagree with this comment, but I think PS has made people lazy in mastering skills in photography.

great piece of writing...

one of the thing i dislike the most about this forum is that most posts never get to the general basic techniques and knowledge about photograhy, namely just Exposure and focusing and composition.

well composition is probably talked about all the time, but its always those "you should crop ur picture this way" those type of stuff.

i really hope u professional guys and expert guys can share more about the basics,

for example how do you general meter for the scene, etc

i really want to learn more about these things, like how do you actually take a picture.

post-production is important, but let's talk about how to take a great picture first =)

thanks.

Senna4ever · 03-29-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by dspirit79
I think PS has made people lazy in mastering skills in photography.

Great post, Justin. This is what I have been saying all along. I think one of the saddest things is the number of digi-dweebs that think if they learn photoshop, they don't have to learn photography. It's amazing to me how many people nowadays know nothing about Analog or traditional photography. Never developed film or printed in a darkroom. Many people who now photograph probably would never had gotten so into it if digital cameras were never invented. AND they dont care about what came before and think traditional photography is a waste of time.

Use film to learn photography - better yet, practise using slide film. I think, while you can learn photography without it, you can't really learn the science of photography without the discipline of film.

....having said (written) that:
Digital photography has also revitalized the hobby (the taking pictures part). I'm sure that they took some pictures before, but a lot of the people that are "serious" about it now have either started with digital, or have come back to photography because of it. It's much like light meters today. How many here could stop using one get get acceptable results? The real old timers (most of which have died out by now) wondered about those new photographers that had to have a meter. If you learn with it, it's tough to give up...