Official Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Thread!!!

[dub.g]

so finally beat the game last night so iv moved on to MGO

they improved the game slightly from the beta test back in april..

the game definitely has some depth to it, its too fucking bad that 80% of the people you play with dont have headsets to communicate from.. i find myself talking to just another person in my team.. and this is a heavily team based multiplayer, even on team death match

but like Oshin said, we gotta start a clan, i got used to 360's Live friend invite, so im still getting used to know around PSN' friend list invite..

and some slight tips, dont treat MGO like COd4 with Run and Gun shoot, or you will get ur ass handed down by vet players with CQC.. the game has great depth if you take advantage of the skill system..

and fire in short small burst, if you try to spray in this game, the recoil will get soo bad and you will be shooting air instead...

[Oshin]

Dub. G, u da man bro.. lets hit it up,, I've been playing mgo since yesterday,, I still dunno how to add friends on mgo though. let me know if you figure it out. Also, hows the mic on it? I don't have one but I hear some peeps that have one sometimes. btw my psn is oshin_inc.. add me bro.

[dub.g]

i think there is a friendlist within MGO

i assume its using a different account from PSN, its using the Konami game id that you signed up with, which is what requires to add to your MGO friendlist

well my psn is blindpupp3t

my konami id is dubb.fox

and my character name is DubFox

so hopefully either one of those works..
the voice chat in the game is glitchy i notice, sometimes nobody hears me.. so hoping a new patch is released

and damnit, MGO servers is shutdown at the moment, their doing a maintenance fix..

[Oshin]

yea mgo server just went down for maintenance, pretty sweet they do a codec call and announce it. btw I added you on psn,, but yea theres konami id and game id,,,lets see which one they uses. When do you think server is back up?

[dub.g]

apparently there is maintenance shutdown every monday from 6pm to 9pm

why cant they have the maintenance done in like mid week or mornings when there is no one playing?

[nabs]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I have a couple questions about Naomi. I never played the PS games, so I am pretty much lost on much of the story. Please don't read unless you've gotten past act 3:

Spoiler!

Why did she betray Snake and Otacon, and what was she going to do with that memory card built into her necklace before deciding against it?

damn i mistakely read parts of it, im closing my eyes while posting this right now.

[Oshin]

o btw, I purchased the Limited Edition from bestbuy today,,, are they suppose to give me a saga dvd too? Because apparently thats just for the regular version they said. Theres no art book right? http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/12/me...-the-unboxing/


P.S: dub.g,, server is back up bro,, hit me up lets play together.. I'll get on a few second to see if I can add you.

[nabs]

Originally Posted by Oshin

o btw, I purchased the Limited Edition from bestbuy today,,, are they suppose to give me a saga dvd too? Because apparently thats just for the regular version they said. Theres no art book right? http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/12/me...-the-unboxing/


P.S: dub.g,, server is back up bro,, hit me up lets play together.. I'll get on a few second to see if I can add you.

Saga DVD is only for pre-orders.

[Oshin]

Originally Posted by nabs

Saga DVD is only for pre-orders.

really, because they say when you purchase the game it comes with a free saga dvd,, and when I went to Bestbuy on June 12,,, I saw them handing out to people that just bought the game. This says on their flyer too. I just want people to confirm this that bought the limited edition

[nabs]

oh if it says it on the flyer, then you are entitled to it. But i read online that the Saga is only for people who pre ordered it.

I have an LE and I got Saga when a little more than a month before the game came out. and It came with a Blu-ray documentary thing when i got the actual game.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dub.g

^^^^ keep playing to answer your question

MGS storyline has always been full of twist and surprises...

just finished the game... holy fuck at that ending.......

but it was worth it, a good closure... ..

Here is another slight trivia regarding Para-medic and MGS1

Spoiler!

Q) Okay, they say in the story of MGS4 during the meeting with EVA that Paramedic became Dr. Clark at a later date.

Are we to assume that she is the same Dr. Clark that was killed by Grey Fox after he was brutally experimented on? Because last I checked wasn't Dr. Clark a man?

A) Yep, Dr. Clark aka Para-medic was killed by grey fox
They changed Dr. Clark from a "he" to a "she" in the graphic novel of MGS1

A)Errrr...this is taken directly from the MGS game script found right here on GameFAQS:

Naomi : It happened right after you retired. My predecessor, Dr. Clark,
was in charge.

Campbell : Dr. Clark...

Naomi : Yes. He started the gene therapy project.

Snake : And where is he now?

Naomi : He was killed in an explosion in his lab two years ago.



So...yeah.

They changed Dr. Clark to a "she" in the digital graphic novel. As I said before.

Spoiler!

OK Naomi and Vamp are both "dead" but now I am more confused than ever. WHY DID SHE LEAVE SNAKE AND OTACON and WHY weren't Snake and Otacon mad at all??? I just finished the 4th act where you drive Rex. If it is explained in the final act, let me know! Otherwise, I am fucking confused as hell

[dub.g]

^^^ just keep playing..

or if you are really confused, then stop playing all together and play the past MGS games to help you understand

otherwise, play the damn game until it ends.......

[nabs]

i would suggest re playing all mgs before getting to this one. theres too much story line involved.

and when you re play make sure you go till the end of the credits. then you get the last Codec call of the game. which leads to the next in the series.

Spoiler!

La Li Lu Le Lo

[nIsMo_uMbReLla]

I need some help with MGS canon because I just pondered something in my head and it makes no sense

Spoiler!

If you played Metal gear 1 and 2 and MGS you know that Frank Jaeger aka Grey Fox (Cyborg Ninja) was sent to kill Big Boss in Metal Gear 1 but got captured and Snake was sent in to rescue him and kill Big Boss. In metal gear 2 Frank joins Big Boss and Snake cripples him and kills big boss.

Because of what Snake did to Frank, Dr. Clark experiments on him and turns him into Cyborg Ninja.

Frank Jaeger, at his youth was experimented on by the CIA to be the perfect soldier. He went by the code name Null. Null is Zero, so is he Major Zero from MGS3?

If he is then Frank Jaeger is one of the founders of the Patriots. Also, Zero and Big Boss feuded until Big Boss left to form outer haven. This is where I get confused......because Frank is sent to kill Big Boss.....he then joins big boss....and then when big boss is killed Major Zero has Big Boss put into that life support thing.

Is Jaeger Major Zero?!

[nIsMo_uMbReLla]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Spoiler!

OK Naomi and Vamp are both "dead" but now I am more confused than ever. WHY DID SHE LEAVE SNAKE AND OTACON and WHY weren't Snake and Otacon mad at all??? I just finished the 4th act where you drive Rex. If it is explained in the final act, let me know! Otherwise, I am fucking confused as hell

read this only if you really want to know as you will find out the answer at the end of the game

Spoiler!

Naomi was jailed for the foxdie thing in MGS1
you find out in MGS2 that she was put in prison but shortly after someone broke her out
It is heavily implied that she was freed by Solid Snake

Infact, she was freed by Ocelot
In MGS4 Ocelot becomes Liquid OCelot because he takes Liquid's arm
This is false, it is an elaborate lie....sparing you the details of what happend just know that it is Ocelot all along, there is no Liquid Ocelot.

[dub.g]

Originally Posted by nIsMo_uMbReLla

I need some help with MGS canon because I just pondered something in my head and it makes no sense

Spoiler!

If you played Metal gear 1 and 2 and MGS you know that Frank Jaeger aka Grey Fox (Cyborg Ninja) was sent to kill Big Boss in Metal Gear 1 but got captured and Snake was sent in to rescue him and kill Big Boss. In metal gear 2 Frank joins Big Boss and Snake cripples him and kills big boss.

Because of what Snake did to Frank, Dr. Clark experiments on him and turns him into Cyborg Ninja.

Frank Jaeger, at his youth was experimented on by the CIA to be the perfect soldier. He went by the code name Null. Null is Zero, so is he Major Zero from MGS3?

If he is then Frank Jaeger is one of the founders of the Patriots. Also, Zero and Big Boss feuded until Big Boss left to form outer haven. This is where I get confused......because Frank is sent to kill Big Boss.....he then joins big boss....and then when big boss is killed Major Zero has Big Boss put into that life support thing.

Is Jaeger Major Zero?!

Spoiler!

No he is not.. you have to play MGS3.. now that after finishing MGS4, this is when you realize how important of a canon MGS3 is as you get to witness, the then eventual founders of the Patriots in action

Major Zero and Grey Fox/Frank Jaegar are 2 completely different characters

Major Zero appears in MGS3 as the Colonel Campbell like supporting character to Naked Snake/Big Boss

another important canon to the series which is sadly, not a whole lot of people that get to play with is MGS Portable Ops for the PSP, which is essentially a sequel to MGS3's storyline and timeline

A character named Gene gets the Philosopher's Legacy, which is then gets defeated by Snake/Big Boss, he then gets handed over the Philosopher's Legacy, while during this time, Gene mentions of a man he has dealt with, the story and game never directly calls the character Major Zero but instead refers to him as the same codename as Null (as Frank Jaegar)

but yes, play MGS3 to fully understand The Patriots and the Legacy

[nIsMo_uMbReLla]

Originally Posted by dub.g

Spoiler!

No he is not.. you have to play MGS3.. now that after finishing MGS4, this is when you realize how important of a canon MGS3 is as you get to witness, the then eventual founders of the Patriots in action

Major Zero and Grey Fox/Frank Jaegar are 2 completely different characters

Major Zero appears in MGS3 as the Colonel Campbell like supporting character to Naked Snake/Big Boss

another important canon to the series which is sadly, not a whole lot of people that get to play with is MGS Portable Ops for the PSP, which is essentially a sequel to MGS3's storyline and timeline

A character named Gene gets the Philosopher's Legacy, which is then gets defeated by Snake/Big Boss, he then gets handed over the Philosopher's Legacy, while during this time, Gene mentions of a man he has dealt with, the story and game never directly calls the character Major Zero but instead refers to him as the same codename as Null (as Frank Jaegar)

but yes, play MGS3 to fully understand The Patriots and the Legacy

man so confusing
I think it's time to dust of MGS3 and have another go at it....but I can't stomach the way the ps3 displays ps2 games on HDTVs =(

[nabs]

Originally Posted by nIsMo_uMbReLla

I need some help with MGS canon because I just pondered something in my head and it makes no sense

Spoiler!

If you played Metal gear 1 and 2 and MGS you know that Frank Jaeger aka Grey Fox (Cyborg Ninja) was sent to kill Big Boss in Metal Gear 1 but got captured and Snake was sent in to rescue him and kill Big Boss. In metal gear 2 Frank joins Big Boss and Snake cripples him and kills big boss.

Because of what Snake did to Frank, Dr. Clark experiments on him and turns him into Cyborg Ninja.

Frank Jaeger, at his youth was experimented on by the CIA to be the perfect soldier. He went by the code name Null. Null is Zero, so is he Major Zero from MGS3?

If he is then Frank Jaeger is one of the founders of the Patriots. Also, Zero and Big Boss feuded until Big Boss left to form outer haven. This is where I get confused......because Frank is sent to kill Big Boss.....he then joins big boss....and then when big boss is killed Major Zero has Big Boss put into that life support thing.

Is Jaeger Major Zero?!

Spoiler!

Wasn't MGS3 Snake Eater, well before MSG1??? Because in Snake Eater you play as Solid/Liquid Snake's father. I think the timelines won't match.

[SkinnyPupp]

I just hate it that so many parts of the story are completely unexplained, and therefore the acting does not go with what has been happening at all.

This game is SO good at some times, among the best I've played. But other times (usually after about 45 minutes of sitting through another fucking cutscene) it is SO BAD. But you can't just skip the cutscenes, or there would be no point in playing.

What this really does is make me hopeful that someone will copy the gameplay style of the 2nd act. Maybe Splinter Cell will do that or something.

I do plan on playing it a second time through (already went through act 1 twice, after learning how to play the first time). Maybe I'll play the first 2 games before I go through again (or at least the 1st and 3rd, as I hear MGS2 is pretty bad)

[dub.g]

^^ thats what i was thinking after finishing it, the game doesnt do a good job of giving a back story or introducing new gamers to the story

however, that could be well overwhelming if it did try to cater to the new gamers...

its a conclusion of the story, which covers every aspect of the whole series storyline..

thats why the MGS series is either a love and hate franchise, gamers love it for creative boss battles, stories and jokes, hardcore gamers hate it for focusing mostly on storyline rather than gameplay..

other than that, the game is perfect at telling the story and explaining it to conclusion to MGS vets like us..

MGS 2 was considered bad because of its long codec dialogues, other than that, if you hate MGS4 now, then expect to hate the previous 3... their all the same in terms of gameplay and story telling..

anyways just got to level 1 on MGO, Im focusing on my quarterback, cqc, assault rifle and SMG skills

somebody with a higher cqc skill gave me a good run last night, the fucker decided to disarm me with all my weapons leaving me with my stun knife........ haha sweet ass battle we had, i eventually lost but we started knifing each and jumping around for a good 5 minutes

[Oshin]

haha yea,,, and those higher lvl peeps can inject some shit on you and then can locate the enemy team through nanomachine. I heard if you can get cqc to level 3, you can hold them and press triangle for neck kill just like when you were Snake. dub.g i was trying to find you yesterday through player search, I typed DubFox but no search.. let me know when your on again because I won't be on til tonight.

[dub.g]

hmmm if DubFox dont work, try dubb.fox its my game id

but ya, i wont be online til later tonight as well..

i dont even know why they made it soo complicated and decided konami to run their own servers.. you have to make a konami id, a game id and a character name.. WTF!

also, its such a rip off, for those starting with MGO, make sure you pick the right character look for your game because once you finish, you cant change your accessories, vest etc... the server will charge you extra money if you want an additional character slot and accesories that is strictly for looks and not viable to the gameplay...

i just hope they give us the option to install MGO on the hard drive seperately instead of the hassle of going through MGS4 menu and then to MGO...

[nIsMo_uMbReLla]

Originally Posted by nabs

Spoiler!

Wasn't MGS3 Snake Eater, well before MSG1??? Because in Snake Eater you play as Solid/Liquid Snake's father. I think the timelines won't match.

Spoiler!

yeh mgs predates mgs1 by i think......erm 1960s for MGS3 and mgs1 is 2005. I got confused with the port. ops psp game where they refer to Jaeger as the one also known as Null....and somehow I either read, or imagined, that Null was the same as Major Zero who was one of the founders of the Patriots but now that I've had some sleep it does not make sense that Null can be Zero because Zero is already so fuckin old in MGS3 and Null was in port ops which happens AFTER mgs3. Chalk it up to be dumb lol

[pnoy.otaku]

anyone in revscene get the gunmetal grey?

konamistyle sent me one for free.. it arrived yesterday

[nabs]

^^^
i'm so jealous. how did you get it for free?