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05-03-2009, 08:02 PM
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I have to say, Vancouver definitely is more dangerous for left turners.
In San Jose, almost all the left turns are controlled -there is only left turns when the left turn light is on, otherwise, you can't drive through.
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05-04-2009, 12:54 AM
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Every single Skyline owner I know/met/talked to has gotten into one or more accidents.
So out of 10+ of them, all of have gotten into at least one fender bender or nearly totaled their car.
Okay, maybe theres one guy who hasn't, but his White Enkeis love eating curb. Yummy.
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05-04-2009, 01:12 AM
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^ of that 10+ accidents, how many are at fault?
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05-04-2009, 02:40 AM
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Like 7 or 8.
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05-04-2009, 08:41 AM
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then it's about average... about half or so?
That alone means RHD is O-K~
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05-04-2009, 08:57 AM
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#56 | | They let me be a moderator. LOL
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RHD is okay if you drive a GTR and your attessa training wheels save your ass.
Assuming it's working in the first place.
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05-04-2009, 09:24 AM
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there are also people who are too lazy to do an SR20 swap, wants a cheap Supra RX7 or wanna climb rocks using diesel power (and flip them jacked up vans ROFL)
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05-04-2009, 09:25 AM
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Yeah.
Fuck those people.
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05-04-2009, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SpuGen  RHD is okay if you drive a GTR and your attessa training wheels save your ass.
Assuming it's working in the first place. | relying on attesa, thats the kind of ignorant shit that makes people spin out in an R32, the most tail happy modern skyline. how come nobody ever makes fun of mitsubishi full time 4wd or subaru wrx/sti's 4wd system? because they're, umm...
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05-04-2009, 09:49 AM
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Because it actually works.
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05-04-2009, 03:58 PM
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^ Exactly. I wouldn't make fun of the system that saved my ass.
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05-05-2009, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hk20000 ^ Exactly. I wouldn't make fun of the system that saved my ass. | Then shouldn't that be called full-time 4wd training wheels......
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05-05-2009, 10:22 AM
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saved my ass in emergency. Not relying on it for cornering or what not.
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05-05-2009, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hk20000 saved my ass in emergency. Not relying on it for cornering or what not. | whether you rely on it or not, it's there working ALL the TIME. 4WD is a drivetrain, not to be confused with driver-aid devices like traction control, which are better suited for the term 'training wheels' than a drivetrain.
don't believe me? get in a subaru and go WOT into a corner. watch it understeer. get into an R32 and WOT a corner. watch it oversteer. get into something with traction control, WOT in a corner, watch it gracefully adjust the acceleration input for you, while adding some individual braking force to the right wheels to get a perfect turn relative to the amount of steering input provided.
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05-05-2009, 11:20 AM
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from what i know, quebec has a lot of RHD cars that have come in illegally and caused a lot of problems for the government, insurers, importers, and ultimately the consumer. most of the information that i usually run into is of people swapping vins to older cars, using north american vins, running demo or repair plates all the time and basically ignoring the 15 year and compliance rules. it is also in part the government's fault. you wouldnt believe how slack the inspections are at the ports where these cars come in. i believe its one of those cases where the actions of a few have ruined it for everyone.
On an unrelated note, i would rather run a car with old school traction control systems attessa and hicas over something that has modern traction controls which cuts throttle and apply the brakes. btw, G35x has a version of attessa that is almost the same as the system in the r32.
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05-05-2009, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe whether you rely on it or not, it's there working ALL the TIME. 4WD is a drivetrain, not to be confused with driver-aid devices like traction control, which are better suited for the term 'training wheels' than a drivetrain.
don't believe me? get in a subaru and go WOT into a corner. watch it understeer. get into an R32 and WOT a corner. watch it oversteer. get into something with traction control, WOT in a corner, watch it gracefully adjust the acceleration input for you, while adding some individual braking force to the right wheels to get a perfect turn relative to the amount of steering input provided. | actually, that's an awesome example, i gotta use that in a report lol.
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05-05-2009, 06:27 PM
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GT-R with working attessa 
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05-05-2009, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SpuGen GT-R with working attessa
GTR with broken attessa. | Some people just don't get it.
When you understand something: 
When you don't: | |
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05-05-2009, 08:52 PM
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^ Awesome.
AWD will understeer = FWD will understeer. That's not "relying on it". Relying on it is like "I got these training wheels the car will oversteer just enough for me to make this corner like Drift King, I can enter any corner like I'm Speed Racer bitch."
an AWD that always work doesn't mean you rely on it. People with ATTESA puts their lives on them system, that's why they
when the system fucks up.
I have 4WS+4WD I don't put my life on it I never try to turn a corner faster than if the car didn't have 4WS and is FWD, but when shit happened it DID save my ass. And I am glad about that. I still don't think I can drive the car like an ass because I have 4WD and 4WS. GTR owners do.
that's the difference.
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05-06-2009, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hk20000 ^ Awesome.
AWD will understeer = FWD will understeer. That's not "relying on it". Relying on it is like "I got these training wheels the car will oversteer just enough for me to make this corner like Drift King, I can enter any corner like I'm Speed Racer bitch."
an AWD that always work doesn't mean you rely on it. People with ATTESA puts their lives on them system, that's why they
when the system fucks up.
I have 4WS+4WD I don't put my life on it I never try to turn a corner faster than if the car didn't have 4WS and is FWD, but when shit happened it DID save my ass. And I am glad about that. I still don't think I can drive the car like an ass because I have 4WD and 4WS. GTR owners do.
that's the difference. | so you're saying attesa causes the car to oversteer just a tiny bit? or are you just trying to downplay gtr owners? i dont know where you got that analogy from, but thats good that you dont put your life on your car.
either way, learn something new, read this article: Quote: |
This article was first published in December 1998. At the time the idea that the handling of the Skyline GTR was not perfect was seen as absurd: according to many, this story was simply indicative of my hopeless driving ability. But in the years since, the use of aftermarket torque split controllers on GTRs has become common - and of course, Nissan themselves improved the logic of the four wheel drive systems on subsequent GTR models by dramatically decreasing the silly amounts of power oversteer available on the R32 GTR... | http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Godzi...3/article.html
silly amounts, dawg, silly amounts of power oversteer are available on the R32 GTR. just ask paul walker: 
or lucas black 
go and read the article, or see for yourself in an enclosed circuit under proper supervision and safety gear
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05-06-2009, 06:45 AM
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Thats not Paul Walker.
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05-06-2009, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee ^ Sorry, but those results are flawed. As much as I hate RHD vehicles and the "jay-dee-em" mentality, the bottom line is there's no statistical difference in accident rates in Canada between LHD and RHD vehicles, which means the Quebec law isn't going to stand up.
If you narrow your results down to look for specific things, then you can make the numbers show whatever you want. This is why I never trust statistics when they're being used by a group to try and show their point of view. | Find the study and post the flaws, until then you're just a lot of hot air.
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05-06-2009, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by achiam I didn't read the study, but are the results geared to accident stats of RHD in RHD systems vs LHD in LHD systems?
If so, I think the results miss what we're discussing here - what are the rates of RHD accidents in a LHD vehicular city and v.versa? | It studied the rate of RHD vehicles in BC using ICBC data.
Its hard to argue with that.
That aside, we're on the "left" coast where the government has free reign to tell us how to live our lives, I'm surprised Quebec did this before BC.
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05-06-2009, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SpuGen Thats not Paul Walker. | fixed. sorry didnt watch enough fast n furious
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05-09-2009, 11:23 AM
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this thread rocks.
I daily a 1992 Civic Si-R from Japan. I have to admit there are some times I miss the convenience of a LHD vehicle (drive throughs, bank machines etc) but its nothing I can't adjust to.
The reason I picked up this civic was because of the following:
A) Stock B16A, no hack job swap, ease of mind.
B) Full power options (Windows/Locks/Mirrors/Sunroof), which only came on the 4dr sedans out here, no thanks..
C) Fold down rear interior, makes it so much easier to carry bigger cargo or suitcases. 
D) Price, I got this car for almost the same price of a USDM SI.
E) Alot of JDM cars have modifications that I would want to later install. For example, my EG6 came with Volk TE37S, Bilstein suspension, intake and exhaust. That is the most I plan on doing for now, and again, buying a USDM si for 3000$ and then doing that alone, would add another 4-5000$.
All in all, I feel just as confident and safe driving a JDM car as I did when driving a LHD car. All it comes down to is testosterone and people taking their car to the limits at the wrong place and time. Thats why mission street legals are 30$ to race all night, and you can do it legally! When it comes to left turns I just simply wait, or sometimes you can look through the car opposing you. Also when it comes to passing on a single lane highway, same idea. I try to look through the opposing car and see, if its not I just suck it up and go slow! If someone else passes us, when they are ahead i will pull over to the left a bit and then lean across.
Theres tons of things to do, its just people need to slow the fuck down and LEARN how their car performs before they get in and open it up...
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