I know I am comparing apples and oranges here, but Porsche makes hell a lot of money from each car, but they are still fun to drive.

Uuuuuh no.

1. Boring is not what the market wants. Its efficiency and value. You've only translated fact to opinion for the convenience of trashing a label that is not of your preference.

2. If you only cared to look further from what you see in a dealership showroom and delve deeper into its automotive history, you'd realize you couldn't be further from the truth; And i'm not just talking what consisted their previous lineup as well (Supra, MR2, AWD Celica) but their various participation in automotive competition as well; F1, Rally (and Lemans IIRC).

haha
mugen and asahi both make great points, but are so blinded by their stubborn fanboyism.

apparently honda admitted that they were losing money on ever DC2R they sold from the first production to its discontinuation.

NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!!!

now you wonna compare 4 banger with v8? why not compare ur v8 with V12 6.3 AMg engine and how it lacks of torque because it doesnt fucking produce 600 pounds of torque? i bet it goes up the hill at 1500rpm at 7th gear auto
name a fucking 4 banger that can climb up SFU without having it to rev up at 3000rpm and still maintain 85km

mazda 3? nope, 8th gen civci? nope, celica GTS? nope, altima 2.5? nope


apple vs apple please

name a 4 banger that makes greater than 160 pounds of torque N/A!!!!

jesus fuck

was NSX ever slow? no 12.8 1/4 mile stock

was DC5 ever tat slow? no not really, best stock can hit 14.5

IS genesis 2.0T stock for stock faster than DC5 with its turbo? no

with simple bolt on and kpro 13.5-13.8 is doable.

fanboism? maybe, soso i dont know


i just cant support a company that can barely keep itself above the ocean to survive, yet still able to make great reliable products? hell they cant even pay their staffs properly

Unfortunately "efficiency and value" typically tends to equate to "boring." Look at most of the cheap, fuel efficient models out there. Ignoring their top end and sporty models, base and mid-level cars such as the Fit, Yaris, Echo, Aveo, Civic, Versa, City Golf/Jetta and the like all have such plain and average styling on both the inside and outside.

Face it, that's what the majority of people want: Base and mid-level trims. If you're looking at the sport models of those cars, then efficiency most likely isn't your top priority. Value, mayhaps, but not MPG.

Don't forget NASCAR for Toyota... :lol

Good move by Honda, V8's and RWD aren't needed on the roads unless they are in a big work truck or van. I look forward to see what they do with the upcoming CR-Z and the 9th gen civic.

this is turning into a fightclub type of debate!, I guess the consequences of making too many exciting cars like corvette, SRT-8, Viper, CTS-V, and 100 differnet model v8/v10 SUV/trucks = Bankruptcy, and needing government bail-out support.

Honda has changed their brand image completely which is why the majority of RS member will turn to BMW or other more fresh looking companies for their future car shopping, assuming money/fuel economy isn't a critiria.

The only other economical brand that makes a V8 is hyundai genesis. To market and compete with other luxury V8's will be too difficult for Honda i guess.

honda makes good cars. but theyre fucking boring. i dunno how you argue with that. and ya. toyota and nissan took a chance. a chance that honda will probably not take in the near future.

the above statement i can live with it

:thumbsup::D

Actually, overpaying their workers, over the top benefits and retirement packages are what led to the bankruptcy. GM has no problem moving cars, Chevy was the second best selling brand behind Toyota last year. It's not that people aren't buying their cars, it's because they're not making money from the cars they sold.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/..._losers/3.html

Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.

Tell that to the president of Honda corp. Why don't they build any turbos?

He said N/A = naturally aspirated. That's how you get torque out of 4-bangers... force-feed them.

Otherwise I can't recall a non-diesel 4-cylinder engine with 160+lb/ft of torque.

Honda would argue against turbos for complexity and reliability reasons, I think. That's why they've almost always gone N/A.

honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV...

Whoops, I forgot about the RDX. :haha:

hmmm


wow really??


:rolleyes:

Looking at how Honda quit F1 because of their epic fail management, I won't expect them to make anything exciting.

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they make exciting motor bikes and lawn cutting machines, and i'm pretty sure they will continue to make them.

Cos they are still sort of competitive in MotoGP and their 600cc bikes still make them money.

now imagine they put that into a civic. im sure alot of ppl would buy that. that car would be fuckin quick and fun to drive. minus the torque steer.

out of curiousity, how many non Honda owners here would buy a RWD V8 Honda? How many would be able to afford it?

ain't going to be cheap, thats for damn sure

oh, and if the answer is NO to any of the above questions, then you shouldn't really bash Honda for not making one.

No.

That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.

this is revscene. im sure alot of people did not buy the vehicles they're driving. oh ya. i forgot to add that they should put that engine in a civic and make that the Si. costs shouldnt be that high compared to the price of the Si they have now.

at least tats the price people are paying for mazda 3 and neon , wait SRT-4, WRX


I guess EVO is just another Lancer with turbo than

:rolleyes: