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taylor192 09-05-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pandalove (Post 6579277)
so does this mean i have to pay hst on skytrain fare?

I think pubic transit is exempt, check the link in one of my posts to be sure.

CounterPuncher 09-05-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579190)
Thanks for confirming your status as a spoiled rich kid. You are ignored.

Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

SkinnyPupp 09-05-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579403)
Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

Arrogant fucking piece of shit much?

iEatClams 09-06-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6579426)
Arrogant fucking piece of shit much?

+ 1

iEatClams 09-06-2009 12:21 AM

^ i meant towards counterpuncher, not skinny pupp

goo3 09-06-2009 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pandalove (Post 6579277)
wait wait ... so does this mean i have to pay hst on skytrain fare?

It depends.. would that deter you from committing crimes in Richmond? I've been hearing a lot about you. :squint:

misteranswer 09-06-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by impactX (Post 6579252)
What about used cars, do we still need to pay HST on that (when the first owner already paid HST on it)?

You shouldn't because the car is used. You didn't "add any value" to it. I'm not sure what the situation would be though if it appreciated.

taylor192 09-06-2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579403)
Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

Your posts make sense, its that they are not valued or respected. Does it feel good to talk to a wall, since no-one is reading your posts after these spoiled brat rants?

You are unwilling or unable to discuss the situation from any other perspective than a spoiled kid who's family has money yet he has no clue how they earned it.

I had a great upbringing, my parents ran many businesses and made millions. The difference between me and you is that my parents taught me the business and the value of money and hard work.

I would never consider undertipping a hard working person just cause I didn't want to pay a few $$$ more, especially when I can afford it. If you cannot afford it, sure, yet don't come on here quoting family money and huge pay raises, then not expect to be called a fucktard when you act like a cheap-ass.

taylor192 09-06-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by misteranswer (Post 6579616)
You shouldn't because the car is used. You didn't "add any value" to it. I'm not sure what the situation would be though if it appreciated.

"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

SkinnyPupp 09-06-2009 08:04 AM

I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

CounterPuncher 09-06-2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579703)
Your posts make sense, its that they are not valued or respected. Does it feel good to talk to a wall, since no-one is reading your posts after these spoiled brat rants?

You are unwilling or unable to discuss the situation from any other perspective than a spoiled kid who's family has money yet he has no clue how they earned it.

I had a great upbringing, my parents ran many businesses and made millions. The difference between me and you is that my parents taught me the business and the value of money and hard work.

I would never consider undertipping a hard working person just cause I didn't want to pay a few $$$ more, especially when I can afford it. If you cannot afford it, sure, yet don't come on here quoting family money and huge pay raises, then not expect to be called a fucktard when you act like a cheap-ass.

Why do you seem to have the opinion that I have no respect for how money is made and earned? So please stop accosting me for that as you don't know me, don't know what I do.

I'm looking at this HST from a perspective that does not benefit me because I think that I can live with paying more tax as a business, where as more individuals can't.

From my perspective I probably want the HST, because in the long run it will cut costs for me and I will probably stand to make more money by it than it will cost me.

However, I'm worried about the people that are already on the brink because costs are too high here.

So please do me a favor, don't tell me I don't appreciate money, not respect how it is earned. Because frankly that doesn't have a lot to do with the issue at hand.

And it's not that I'm out to fuck waiters/waitresses, I just think going out here costs to much, service is generally not that great, and I've always tipped 15% regardless and I'm pretty much getting sick of it.

CounterPuncher 09-06-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6579713)
I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

Yes it does, they expect housing sales to surge before July 1st next year.

taylor192 09-06-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6579713)
I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

Sorry I should have been more clear: used homes. Its in the link I posted.

taylor192 09-06-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
Why do you seem to have the opinion that I have no respect for how money is made and earned? So please stop accosting me for that as you don't know me, don't know what I do.

When you stop making blanket statements about "50% of my dad's money goes to supporting you welfare bums". Until then, you're a spoiled shit not to be respected.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
I'm looking at this HST from a perspective that does not benefit me because I think that I can live with paying more tax as a business, where as more individuals can't.

Yet you fail to see how this tax will promote more business, allowing companies to hire more and pay more.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
From my perspective I probably want the HST, because in the long run it will cut costs for me and I will probably stand to make more money by it than it will cost me.

Cause like the spoiled brat you are you wouldn't pass the savings along to your consumer or invest in more infrastructure or employees.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
However, I'm worried about the people that are already on the brink because costs are too high here.

I'm not. When the average middle class family can afford a flat screen TV and several laptops, there's little to worry about.

The problem with the middle class is their unwillingness to save. Follow the tax rates historically, even compared to 10 years ago we pay much less tax and have more disposal income.

You wouldn't know this, cause you're some stupid over-educated spoiled brat who think he knows everything from taking a few courses at private school.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
So please do me a favor, don't tell me I don't appreciate money, not respect how it is earned. Because frankly that doesn't have a lot to do with the issue at hand.

I don't need to tell you that, you told us all that with your attitude and posting. I'm just merely pointing out for reference.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579727)
And it's not that I'm out to fuck waiters/waitresses, I just think going out here costs to much, service is generally not that great, and I've always tipped 15% regardless and I'm pretty much getting sick of it.

That's not what you said earlier. So either you exaggerate to make a point, in which case your points are worth exactly that, or you really feel tat way and are back tracing right now, which is more likely. In either case, you're an idiot.

CounterPuncher 09-06-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579883)
When you stop making blanket statements about "50% of my dad's money goes to supporting you welfare bums". Until then, you're a spoiled shit not to be respected.


Yet you fail to see how this tax will promote more business, allowing companies to hire more and pay more.


Cause like the spoiled brat you are you wouldn't pass the savings along to your consumer or invest in more infrastructure or employees.


I'm not. When the average middle class family can afford a flat screen TV and several laptops, there's little to worry about.

The problem with the middle class is their unwillingness to save. Follow the tax rates historically, even compared to 10 years ago we pay much less tax and have more disposal income.

You wouldn't know this, cause you're some stupid over-educated spoiled brat who think he knows everything from taking a few courses at private school.


I don't need to tell you that, you told us all that with your attitude and posting. I'm just merely pointing out for reference.


That's not what you said earlier. So either you exaggerate to make a point, in which case your points are worth exactly that, or you really feel tat way and are back tracing right now, which is more likely. In either case, you're an idiot.

And you seem to come off as a morally superior anti-christ.

My points are equally as valid as yours, and if you think that I'm the only person that wouldn't pass on cost savings look at the recent reports from the maritimes that stated that only that implementing the HST only resulted in a 1% price decrease.

So please, tell me how it feels up on that pedestal of yours.

taylor192 09-06-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579896)
And you seem to come off as a morally superior anti-christ.

and? I'll take that anyday over a disrespected spoiled brat.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579896)
My points are equally as valid as yours, and if you think that I'm the only person that wouldn't pass on cost savings look at the recent reports from the maritimes that stated that only that implementing the HST only resulted in a 1% price decrease.

OK you've done 1/2 your homework, now figure out how many companies hired more people, increased wages, or invested in more infrastructure vs the number of companies tat just lined their pockets and boosted their stock price.

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher (Post 6579896)
So please, tell me how it feels up on that pedestal of yours.

Its a nice view, how do you feel knowing no-one will respect your opinion from now on?

RFlush 09-06-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579190)
Thanks for confirming your status as a spoiled rich kid. You are ignored.

Why do you state that he is "ignored" if you continue to reply to CounterPuncher?

misteranswer 09-06-2009 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579704)
"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

If a business can get a refund on the GST they paid, it's a value added tax.

taylor192 09-07-2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RFlush (Post 6580611)
Why do you state that he is "ignored" if you continue to reply to CounterPuncher?

I had him on ignore, yet took him off cause his recent replies are less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent.

Great68 09-07-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6579704)
"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

Future news story, July 1st 2010:

"Today the controversial HST came into effect..."

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.
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"In other news, the number of goods and services sold "under the table" and/or on the black market skyrocketed today"

taylor192 09-07-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 6581339)
Future news story, July 1st 2010:

"Today the controversial HST came into effect..."

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.
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"In other news, the number of goods and services sold "under the table" and/or on the black market skyrocketed today"

Just like all restaurants went out of business when cities implemented no-smoking bylaws. :rolleyes:

I can already find businesses/contractors willing to work for "cash" to avoid taxes, I suspect it won't change much with the HST.

The CRA has already started to crack down on eBay to charge people running a business and not declaring it.

iEatClams 09-08-2009 01:22 PM

While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

source:

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HST is a fair tax needed to boost B.C.'s economy


The Daily News September 8, 2009

With the coastal forest industry facing no end to the economic downturn in the U.S. and Japanese housing markets and the ongoing worldwide financial crisis, the introduction of the harmonized sales tax provides a much-needed boost to an industry that is a key driver of the provincial economy.

At a time when coastal mills are operating at only 50% capacity, logging operations are running at 25% and revenue to the Crown is down by 75%, the HST will help position the forest industry positively when the global economy recovers.

Setting the stage for increased competitiveness, the HST encourages investment, drives increased productivity and provides job security for high-paid workers in this sector.

Under the current tax system, forest companies pay PST on everything from energy to transportation to supplies and equipment. When the new tax regime is introduced forest products manufacturers will recover the PST they now pay. The cost of producing forest products will go down, making the coastal forest industry more competitive in very cost-sensitive markets around the world.

While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

The facts also clearly indicate the HST will stimulate investment in our province because companies invest savings.

But most importantly, evidence in other countries and provinces with similar tax structures shows the HST leads to higher wages and a higher standard of living.

For the coastal forest industry it will mean more jobs for those forest and mill workers in communities up and down the coast, and it will strengthen an industry which supports hospitals, schools and other important public services.

The HST is a fair tax policy that will build a strong economy for British Columbia.

Rick Jeffery

Coast Forest Products Association

Vancouver

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service


http://www.canada.com/fair+needed+bo...612/story.html

B-DiZzLe 09-08-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 6581037)
I had him on ignore, yet took him off cause his recent replies are less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent.


But you had him on ignore so how do you know his recent replies were less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent if he was on ignore?

taylor192 09-08-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by azndude69 (Post 6582724)
While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

The danger is becoming a European society where consumption taxes can be very high on luxury goods. Look at how much tax there is on new cars in Europe/Asia, and how the tax scales with engine size.

ravsandhu 09-08-2009 08:06 PM

In the end an HST tax is better than an income tax increase.

It's a tax based on consumption, you choose to spend, you get taxed.

Income tax gets increased and we won't even have that choice.

I hate the HST but it is a better economic policy.


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