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Old 11-14-2009, 08:51 AM   #1
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Wrecked my R

Hey Guys,

Long time lurker first time poster here. I got into a wreck yesterday, the guy hit me pretty fast. I was taking a left turn by Shark Club in Langley to go pick up my friend at the Sandman and just litterally just didnt see him coming.

I have a couple questions that maybe some other people would know better than i would.

First of all: does the car look totaled? from what i could see, no oil leak, i THINK the clutch pedal was fully depressed (stuck to the floor), radiator fluid everywhere, airbags didnt go, back bumper also needs to be replaced (it spun around and hit the rear side of the chevy s-10 that hit me), electrical systems seemed to work fine.. I am willing to fight to have the car not totalled since i really, really love my R

Also when i rolled it back off the road there was no major clunking or squeaking and i THINK that the front right wheel wasnt even touched, it just looks that way because of a) i was turning left, b) the fender is pushed in




My next question is that do you think that i could convince ICBC or the bodyshop that i am working with to slap on a JDM type r front end? My feeling is that the parts for a new hood/fenders/bumper/radiator would be more expensive than a used front end. Maybe if i could provide cost benifit to them that they would go along with buying a used front end and installing that/painting that instead.

Also, are there shops out there that will do this kind of extra work? i am willing to put in a couple extra dollars (250-750) if it can be done.

One concern that they might have is that the JDM front end may not match canadian road safety standards (because of the small re-inforcement bar)


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since the airbags didn't go... it might not but it doesn't look good, sucks to hear man. Glad your okay
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Damn that sucks...

Glad to hear you're gonna keep it and fix it up. Good luck with everything.

I think ICBC will not allow you to install the jdm front end instead of the oem usdm, due to their regulations, costs, and safety.

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I hear that people modify the USDM re-bar along with the JDM front end.
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From the picture, it looks like the whole front has been tweaked. Whether they write it off or not, depends on how big is the repair bill over the value of the car. One can't really do an estimate from pictures.. especially since you mention there are mechanical issues.

Since you were turning left, there is a high probability that ICBC will find you at fault. If you want to keep your discount, you have to pay for the damages (including others) yourself. In that case, ICBC doesn't really care what you put on (as long as your car is not written off).. If you car is written off, then you will need a safety check before you get issued a BC VIN.

Most shops can install extras if you don't need them to source it for you.

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Ive already come to terms that i am at fault and that i wont be able to keep my discount. Boy insurance is going to be expensive.

I think i might be able to convince ICBC into putting on the JDM front end because i seriously cant see new parts for the car being cheap whatsoever. For a complete kit runs at the most 1500+painting. I could see a new front bumper/headlight/hood costing that much alone.

As far as safety and regulations go TypeRNammer brought up a good point that it is modifyable to use the USDM reinforcement bar with the JDM front end. Like i said im willing to drop some money out of my own pocket to get that done if need be.
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My suggestion is to talk to a body shop directly. Most shops don't mind doing things extra for you. They just charge ICBC what it would cost for the OE part and you foot the balance. You don't have to go to ICBC and argue with them if you don't want to. I think it is best for the body shop to do the arguing for you.

However the timing has to be perfect, because most shops don't like to have a car sitting around idle and taking up shop space. waiting for parts. So the best thing is for you to figure out how exactly you want it, and get all the part numbers etc and make the shop's know you are serious and make their life a bit simpler.

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Ive already come to terms that i am at fault and that i wont be able to keep my discount. Boy insurance is going to be expensive.

I think i might be able to convince ICBC into putting on the JDM front end because i seriously cant see new parts for the car being cheap whatsoever. For a complete kit runs at the most 1500+painting. I could see a new front bumper/headlight/hood costing that much alone.

As far as safety and regulations go TypeRNammer brought up a good point that it is modifyable to use the USDM reinforcement bar with the JDM front end. Like i said im willing to drop some money out of my own pocket to get that done if need be.
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I was hit from the passenger side on my 3rd gen integra as well, it hit my passenger door as I was T-boned in an intersection.

airbags didn't deploy and the damage looked to a lesser extent than yours but the adjustor still said my car was totalled (7-8k damage).

Don't get your hopes up too high that it's NOT totalled.
Plus, with your premiums going up and insuring a TYPE-R, your insurance will be rape
Unless you're very financially stable, I'd move onto another car that will be less on insurance like I did.
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Ouch I feel bad for your car for the R. Fortunatley the car may be repairable if there is no diamond damage done to the frame. To tell the truth if you bring the car into a shop and the shop calls for re-inspection it probley will be written off. If you want I am a collision Estimater so if you send me some more pictures I can probley give you a better idea on what to do with your car!!
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Ouch I feel bad for your car for the R. Fortunatley the car may be repairable if there is no diamond damage done to the frame. To tell the truth if you bring the car into a shop and the shop calls for re-inspection it probley will be written off. If you want I am a collision Estimater so if you send me some more pictures I can probley give you a better idea on what to do with your car!!

Im going to take more pictures tomorrow, take off the hood etc and get a better idea of what to expect.

Im going to bring those pictures to different body shops just to get quotes so i have some ammo when i tell ICBC not to write it off.

What exactly do you mean by "diamond damage" because if i know waht to look for ill focus in on that for pictures
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thats a write off (your towers, inners and frame rails will need replacing and or pulling to realign) but you may be able to cash settle and keep your car so you can repair it on your own terms.
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Im going to take more pictures tomorrow, take off the hood etc and get a better idea of what to expect.

Im going to bring those pictures to different body shops just to get quotes so i have some ammo when i tell ICBC not to write it off.

What exactly do you mean by "diamond damage" because if i know waht to look for ill focus in on that for pictures
As much as you want to keep the R, no chance they're gonna repair that.

I got into a similar collision like that



and this was a write off already
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unfortunatly that r is written off.
what year and badge number is it?
depending on year, mileage and condition its most likely worth 10-13g's so it wouldn't take much to write it off

it sucks that another R has gone down like this.
With an at fault accident unless your road star your looking at 4g's a year for insurance.

let us know how it turns out.
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write off. fender pushed in and the way it hit your car, you front end is twisted and pushed in to one side. fix a bent chassis its goign to cost a lot especially on labour. usually on older cars, if you get any frame damage, its likely goign to cost a lot to repair.

but as mentioned, you also have to factor in value of your car in the market what not vs the repair bill.

better to just let the car go then keeping it and fixing it. last thing I want to do is drive on a dirty chassis/ previously bent chassis
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My biggest issue with it being written off is the value that I'm going to lose on it. The thing was in pretty good condition and I don't even think I could buy another r with the money they give me... Frame damage isn't as bad as it used to be.. Get the right shop and they can laser align that stuff to make it stock spec.. I'm not too concerned about resale value because I was going to drive it into the ground anyway. I guess it just happened sooner than I would have liked...
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for the value of the cheque that icbc gives you, in the case that it is a write-off and you're not buying/taking it back, they'll base it on similar or equivalent cars that are on sale out on the market.

so look on buy and sell / craigslist / newspaper ads for cars that are similar to yours for supporting evidence since their first offer for your car will usually be a lowball. Do some research so you have some support and they'll usually honor it or at least increase the value of the car to the ones that you've found.

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Sadly, like others have said, this will most likely be a write off.

You do have a few other options though. For starters, if/when they do write your car off, BUY IT BACK from ICBC. Sure you'll have a wrecked car to deal with, but at least you'll be able to take just about everything from this car as far as parts go (minus the obvious body damaged parts).

Since your insurance rates are going to go through the roof (I feel for you, I was in a similar situation) I would hunt around on Craigslist or something for a base model Teg, that has high kms, but the body is straight and in good condition. Hell, there are even Tegs advertised on this site with the JDM front end swap already done. Then I would swap in your R motor, long with the seats, wheels etc, etc. That way you're paying insurance for a base model Teg, but have all the goodies from your Type R. Obviously not ideal, but it's something to concider.
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do you by any chance have a fujitsubo rm01a exhaust system? if you do, i think i've met you before.

hopefully it's not written off.
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I have a feeling it's written off

i had a 96 accord with about the same amount of damage. and it was written off.
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Diamond Damage is when the frame has been bent in a cris-cross or twisted shape...its hard to get it on a camera..I'd need to see it in person to figure that out! Try and take a clear picture of the underbody front frame rail.
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Looks like it'll be a writeoff. Plus you said there's damage on the rear too. Frame pulling is not cheap. Even with it written off and you buy it back you're still gonna have to dump a lot of cash into it.
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Thanks for the responses everyone.

I got a call from ICBC yesterday, its a write off, apparently even though the wheels were not struck, the frame was pushed over in the front so much that there was a couple of inch difference on the front/back tire alignment on the other side of the vehicle.

Im going to get a beater for the time being (eg6/eg9) and just run that till i can afford an s2k
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