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Old 01-13-2010, 07:04 AM   #26
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china will just block google. like they did with facebook, youtube, appledaily etc

china already have baidu and a hundred thousand different replacement which have a much larger user base in china then google
none of them are innovative, progressive, or creative.

I always found it funny how China censors pornography, but prostitution is rampant.

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i think China will be powerful in the future, and no...they dont need to contribute to other countries..

we dont need another world police like the USA
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Easier said than done...like our parents could make us not browsing porn.

Seriously, when I was in Shanghai working last year, the only sites that I couldnt go were some pornography sites, wikipedia in Chinese, and some Taiwanese websites..other than that I am totally fine, you are free to dis the government too, as long as you don't try to start shit like organizing a protest. Other than that I actually felt its more free than here..for example in downtown Shanghai you feel extremely safe to walk at night..like extremely safe. but in vancouver its not so.
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Baidu will be the biggest winner in this if Google leaves China.
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By leaving GOOG achieves ABSOLUTELY nothing.

The Chinese government doesnt give a fuck, the people are stuck with a crappy search engine that's still censored, and GOOG probably lost the fastest growing market in the next 10 years if they truly get out.

it's a lose lose move.
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I wouldn't mind, its part of life (knowing that such things exist). Its up to the parents to explain what it is.
So how is censoring Porn and Violence on the internet any different than censoring Porn and Violence on T.V.?

Why is one acceptable, and one not?
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:35 PM   #33
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By leaving GOOG achieves ABSOLUTELY nothing.

The Chinese government doesnt give a fuck, the people are stuck with a crappy search engine that's still censored, and GOOG probably lost the fastest growing market in the next 10 years if they truly get out.

it's a lose lose move.
that's because to you, everything is a dollar sign, to be sold and bought.

google is doing the right thing.
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that's because to you, everything is a dollar sign, to be sold and bought.

google is doing the right thing.
definitely not the right thing to its shareholders though, and the people who will no longer have access to a better search engine.

Don't get me wrong, I despite the Chinese gov;t for breaching human rights activitists' emails, but I don't think what GOOG proposed to do is the right thing.

By pulling out, they indirectly helped the censorship in China, and helped a VERY crappy search engine.
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Google is a business, they're not there to preach what's right and wrong. They just pulled out of the biggest growing market. As a publicly traded company, shareholders will not be happy. If this was a matter of principal, they should also pull out of Australia when their internet censorship firewall comes online.
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They are laughing now...
Speaking of which, did anyone buy?

BIDU went up 14% or something today/yesterday...
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definitely not the right thing to its shareholders though, and the people who will no longer have access to a better search engine.

Don't get me wrong, I despite the Chinese gov;t for breaching human rights activitists' emails, but I don't think what GOOG proposed to do is the right thing.

By pulling out, they indirectly helped the censorship in China, and helped a VERY crappy search engine.
Please! Google were censoring their google.cn site anyway. It's not like they were fighting a crusade against censorship or human rights in China. Also, who gives a shit about Baidu except the Chinese? Fuck, I never even heard of that shit until I read this thread.

Google, bout time you fixed your mistake
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Google is a business, they're not there to preach what's right and wrong. They just pulled out of the biggest growing market. As a publicly traded company, shareholders will not be happy. If this was a matter of principal, they should also pull out of Australia when their internet censorship firewall comes online.
Not all businesses are in the pursuit of money and money alone.

'don't be evil' has made them one of the most profitable and innovative companies ever.

being a business does not give you a blank check to be unethical in the pursuit of money.
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Google is a business, they're not there to preach what's right and wrong. They just pulled out of the biggest growing market. As a publicly traded company, shareholders will not be happy. If this was a matter of principal, they should also pull out of Australia when their internet censorship firewall comes online.
It's good to show that some companies morals aren't for sale.

Fuck China, as said above a lot of companies will start moving to India. China isn't the only major market left untapped.
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i heard theres no youtube in china.. cuz i sent my friend a link, and he couldnt watch it..
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...in a few years, people will be switching to India in droves for cheap manufacturing, so China will lose the one thing that does make them relevant outside China.
Bingo!!

Once reliable sources of energy are available in India and Africa. They will become big players in the manufacturing world. Its not going to happen overnight...but investment is rising in those countries.
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Bingo!!

Once reliable sources of energy are available in India and Africa. They will become big players in the manufacturing world. Its not going to happen overnight...but investment is rising in those countries.
ever considered why manufacturing wasn't there at the first place?

my uncle runs a textile company in Shanghai. As the worker's wage kept on rising they are considering moving his factory to vietnam and india.

But once they ran a test factory there they soon exited india all together.
the worker's productivity and discipline just isnt the same.

In Shanghai say a worker could produce 10 T-shirts in 1 hour with a 10% defective rate.

In India a worker produces only 8 T-Shirts with a 20% defective rate (just for example)

after considering the cost and benefit they decided to stay in China and suck up the cost. Nevermind Africa.

There is a reason why most manufacturing are done in China, when there are plenty other countries that offer a much cheaper wage.
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Yeah. Most workers have been manufacturing since infancy. Thats what a lack of labour law will do for a country. It'll produce the most effective drones a nickel a day can buy.
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Once reliable sources of energy are available in India and Africa. They will become big players in the manufacturing world. Its not going to happen overnight...but investment is rising in those countries.
think Vietnam or nearby Asian countries, that's the next sweat shop
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they already are.
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Yeah. Most workers have been manufacturing since infancy. Thats what a lack of labour law will do for a country. It'll produce the most effective drones a nickel a day can buy.
err...no, that's not true at all. China's labour law is getting tougher by the day,alot of Taiwanese companies are moving out because the workers just keeep on demanding more and more, and the government is backing them too.

Keep in mind that it IS a communist lead country, which means labourers are above capitalists and monarchs. Child labour is ilegal and I don't think any big company would dare to use them in China.
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i heard theres no youtube in china.. cuz i sent my friend a link, and he couldnt watch it..
No Youtube, no Facebook, no Twitter, no Google, no free Blogs. Basically, anything that allows people to have an opinion is banned.

In other words, the things that make the internet relevant, and what has been pushing things forward for the rest of the world in the last 5 years is not allowed.

Its the 50's all over again in China (only without the mass genocide )
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they already are.
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my uncle runs a textile company in Shanghai. As the worker's wage kept on rising they are considering moving his factory to vietnam and india.

But once they ran a test factory there they soon exited india all together.
the worker's productivity and discipline just isnt the same.
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