Google to end China censorship after e-mail breach

[BaoXu]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

I dont have to convince anyone, it is the truth...I am always amazed that people can be so certain about their belief without even seeing it or been to the place.

Before I was in China I was like alot of you who believe China is a backwater third world country without any hope. Once I lived there for years I was totally convinced whatever problems China may have, they are able to fix it.

I am not saying China doesnt' have problems, but I think the positives outweights the negative by a great portion, and I have a strong faith in their growth, so does many American economists and investors.

...blah blah blah....

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW my position about China's development. If the people on this board want believe that China is backwards and totalitarian, let them believe that.

Let me put this as simply as possible: If you want to be cool, just be cool. You don't have to try to get everyone's approval that you are cool, because that's not even cool in the first place.

China is cool because its marches to its own beat. Yet still, people flock from all over to do business with China. The others that don't get it, never will and of course they will be left behind, trust.

明白吗？

[CP.AR]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

you are very mistaken if you still believe China is a "communist country".
it's probably more capitalistic than the USA..its policy may be very different from the west, but in your daily life you wouldnt feel any difference...this is coming from an expatriate who has lived in China for years and spent the rest of his life in Canada.

Economically China is bordering capitalism with a hint of revisionism. Politically though it still remains quite communist. (not 100%, but I'd say around 75%) But hey, I have to admit that if China wasn't communist, they wouldn't have been able to experience such a tremendous scale of development over the past 30 years

[m4k4v4li]

Originally Posted by Captain Picard

Economically China is bordering capitalism with a hint of revisionism. Politically though it still remains quite communist. (not 100%, but I'd say around 75%) But hey, I have to admit that if China wasn't communist, they wouldn't have been able to experience such a tremendous scale of development over the past 30 years

/end thread

political instability in china = severe economic downturn that will be felt at every level imaginable globally

the communist party will continue spreading propaganda and censoring everything to the extent it believes necessary to keep power concentrated

perhaps the ends do not justify the means but guess what... theres nothing the rest of the world can do about it but bitch

indeed western style liberal democracy is the clear victor of the 19th century's battle for ideological hegemony but if history tells us anything... its that all empires however great share one thing in common -> they crumble

the US is no exception no matter how convinced you are skinnypup
China is already a world superpower... to discredit its potential for even greater progress but merely a place to acquire cheap goods? LOL

[SkinnyPupp]

All it is, is a place to manufacture cheap crap. That's all it will ever be. If you think otherwise, you simply bought into the very propaganda that you spoke of in your comment.

[Jingwu3]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

All it is, is a place to manufacture cheap crap. That's all it will ever be. If you think otherwise, you simply bought into the very propaganda that you spoke of in your comment.

so you are saying.....a Sony LCD TV, Sony Ericsson Cellphone, Apple Iphone, HP, Asus, Acer computers, Samsung cellphone, Samsung mp3 players,
Mercedes C-class, BMW ,5,3,Z4-series, Audi A4,(For Chinese market) Boeing 787, Airbus A320 are all cheap crap?

all of these are manufactured in China...so you must drive an Ferrari and get chaufferd in a Bentley, and has your own private jet?..of course you wouldnt want to ride in a "cheap crap" like the rest of us do

[m4k4v4li]

well i guess the world underestimates the political power of a country that manages to get by just on manufacturing cheap crap haha

[Audi-Quattro]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

I am not saying China doesnt' have problems, but I think the positives outweights the negative by a great portion

Everyone just read this, and if you have anything to argue against this, then

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

so you are saying.....a Sony LCD TV, Sony Ericsson Cellphone, Apple Iphone, HP, Asus, Acer computers, Samsung cellphone, Samsung mp3 players,
Mercedes C-class, BMW ,5,3,Z4-series, Audi A4,(For Chinese market) Boeing 787, Airbus A320 are all cheap crap?

all of these are manufactured in China...so you must drive an Ferrari and get chaufferd in a Bentley, and has your own private jet?..of course you wouldnt want to ride in a "cheap crap" like the rest of us do

All those electronics you listed can be considered cheap crap, yes. They are useless in a few years. I couldn't have thought of a more perfect example to illustrate my point. Thanks!

The China market cars are cheap crap too.

As for the Airbus - only the China market ones are assembled in China. And even then, it's just the final line of assembly that occurs there.

Boeings aren't made in china, the things like seat cushions are. The important parts are made in USA, Canada, Japan, Australia, Sweden, Russia, Italy, etc. Even the floor beams are made by Tata in India. So that very example tells you about China's contribution

Nice fail there

[CP.AR]

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4

/end thread

political instability in china = severe economic downturn that will be felt at every level imaginable globally

the communist party will continue spreading propaganda and censoring everything to the extent it believes necessary to keep power concentrated

perhaps the ends do not justify the means but guess what... theres nothing the rest of the world can do about it but bitch

indeed western style liberal democracy is the clear victor of the 19th century's battle for ideological hegemony but if history tells us anything... its that all empires however great share one thing in common -> they crumble

the US is no exception no matter how convinced you are skinnypup
China is already a world superpower... to discredit its potential for even greater progress but merely a place to acquire cheap goods? LOL

It's interesting though to see how China would be both economically and politically in around 20 years. Current predictions by economists (mostly from the UK and US) predict that China will overtake the US's GDP by 2020, meaning that China will be the wealthiest nation on earth by 2020. By the look of things right now - it's not surprising.

Politically though I wonder how far will they release their grip? Nobody really knows... Hopefully this downward trend in the "loosening of information" will continue and there will be more than one party in China. But again - after decades of insane development there is really no reason for them to switch systems - unless they really screw up and piss all the investors off. As a matter in fact I don't even think China needs propaganda anymore, the real world statistics shows themselves in terms of development and growth.

just my $0.02 since this was one of my courses last term

[Jingwu3]

Originally Posted by Captain Picard

It's interesting though to see how China would be both economically and politically in around 20 years. Current predictions by economists (mostly from the UK and US) predict that China will overtake the US's GDP by 2020, meaning that China will be the wealthiest nation on earth by 2020. By the look of things right now - it's not surprising.

Politically though I wonder how far will they release their grip? Nobody really knows... Hopefully this downward trend in the "loosening of information" will continue and there will be more than one party in China. But again - after decades of insane development there is really no reason for them to switch systems - unless they really screw up and piss all the investors off. As a matter in fact I don't even think China needs propaganda anymore, the real world statistics shows themselves in terms of development and growth.

just my $0.02 since this was one of my courses last term

what he said there...finally someone talking with some senses.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

Well, I have to say your post is one of the better educated ones on revscene, one that an intelligent conversation could be carried out, so I'll give you kudos for that.

You are right that the contents on China's internet is censored..but let me assure you you won't get arrested or dissapear all of a sudden just because you try to write an article about Tienanmen or what not. The content will simply get deleted - but of course if you do it too many times you would attract some attention from the government, but why would you want to do it?

The way I See it, although I surely dont like any censorship, but as I have been working in Shanghai for quite some times and have alot of indepth contact with the local Chinese, I really feel that the Chinese people in general is not ready for democracy yet. Not that I support the current government, but if you have a chance to go to the rural provinces and work with the people there, you will see very quickly why democracy will not work in China, at least for now. Have a short conversation and you will quickly see how a great deal of Chinese locals are actually quite primitive - they don't know what democracy is and do not care, as long as the government keeps them fed they are happy. This is a rough description, but it is the simple truth.

Before I work in China I thought I would never step onto a communist country, but once I lived there for a long period of time, I am actually convinced that the current mental state of the Chinese people actually requires a government like that, to give them democracy at this point will cause chaos and destory China, both the Chinese government and the Americans know that, and I guess thats what the Americans want too.

Simply put, democracy is good, and I would like to see it happen in China, but surely not for now, good example would be Africa - The west tried to teach them democracy, and look what happened?

man i'm going be failed for this as well. I agree democrazy is good and should be a goal for china to work towards but as of now chinese people are not ready for democracy yet. If democracy happens in china tmml, it will just fall apart like the USSR. I don't agree with all the policy and what the government is doing in china, but between democracy and the current chinese government the latter is certainly the lesser evil at least for chinese citizens. What China need right now is internal stability so it can continue its expansion.

I understand why most people here disagree but the haters reallly need to go and see how majority of the people are living in rural China and their mentally. Democracy for them at this stage will only do more harm than good. Giving them democracy is like giving kindergarden kids freedom to choose what they get to learn and who teaches them, is will only result in absolute chaos and corruption(look at majority of the ex commie countries).


GOOG is doing their thing and China is also doing their own thing imo GOOG pulling out will not affect the billions of people living in China, you may not know what baidu is but it is just as well known as GOOG in China with this news baidu is laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm still a firm believer that the whole tiananmen and falungong thing is 100% back by the US government, whether China's actions were right or wrong regarding these two issue is no longer the point of the discussion. It is just being use as a political weapon to spark tension between the government and its people.

[SkinnyPupp]

if you really believe that china's atrocities are US propaganda, get ready for some fails
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[threezero]

^^ if China goes democratic right now one who will be benefiting the most from it will be the US.

but anyways i am prepare for fails when i post anything supporting China anyways

[TRD Rs200]

Google tries to bring its goods into china, but the government spits on their face. to Google: I saw FUCK CHINA, do not bow to corrupted government

[goo3]

Originally Posted by Captain Picard

Politically though I wonder how far will they release their grip? Nobody really knows... Hopefully this downward trend in the "loosening of information" will continue and there will be more than one party in China. But again - after decades of insane development there is really no reason for them to switch systems - unless they really screw up and piss all the investors off.

If they're smart (and they are), they won't release jack. Two parties? LOL. Yah, they'll have multiple parties who are underneath them acting as a buffer and a scapegoat. When the current set of excuses become irrelevant, they'll just come up with new ones and the eager bitches will eat their propaganda up like candy. They can play this game for a long, long time.

Loosening information? How about the stuff that can compromise their power? Is that loosened or hardened? They're not dumb like Iran who gave their massive under 30 population access to facebook and twitter until recently. Now those are a bunch of shitty dictators.

[fetched]

China Surpasses U.S. in 2009 Auto Sales.
Boom!

[Jingwu3]

China also surpasses U.S. in literacy rate...bet you don't know that too

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by Captain Picard

It's interesting though to see how China would be both economically and politically in around 20 years. Current predictions by economists (mostly from the UK and US) predict that China will overtake the US's GDP by 2020, meaning that China will be the wealthiest nation on earth by 2020. By the look of things right now - it's not surprising.

Politically though I wonder how far will they release their grip? Nobody really knows... Hopefully this downward trend in the "loosening of information" will continue and there will be more than one party in China. But again - after decades of insane development there is really no reason for them to switch systems - unless they really screw up and piss all the investors off. As a matter in fact I don't even think China needs propaganda anymore, the real world statistics shows themselves in terms of development and growth.

just my $0.02 since this was one of my courses last term

Fuck your couch. Read this.

Contrarian Investor Sees Economic Crash in China

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By DAVID BARBOZA
Published: January 7, 2010

SHANGHAI — James S. Chanos built one of the largest fortunes on Wall Street by foreseeing the collapse of Enron and other highflying companies whose stories were too good to be true.
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James Chanos made his hedge fund fortune predicting problems at companies and shorting their stock.
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Now Mr. Chanos is betting against China, and is promoting his view that the China miracle has blinded investors to the risks in that economy.

Now Mr. Chanos, a wealthy hedge fund investor, is working to bust the myth of the biggest conglomerate of all: China Inc.

As most of the world bets on China to help lift the global economy out of recession, Mr. Chanos is warning that China’s hyperstimulated economy is headed for a crash, rather than the sustained boom that most economists predict. Its surging real estate sector, buoyed by a flood of speculative capital, looks like “Dubai times 1,000 — or worse,” he frets. He even suspects that Beijing is cooking its books, faking, among other things, its eye-popping growth rates of more than 8 percent.

“Bubbles are best identified by credit excesses, not valuation excesses,” he said in a recent appearance on CNBC. “And there’s no bigger credit excess than in China.” He is planning a speech later this month at the University of Oxford to drive home his point.

As America’s pre-eminent short-seller — he bets big money that companies’ strategies will fail — Mr. Chanos’s narrative runs counter to the prevailing wisdom on China. Most economists and governments expect Chinese growth momentum to continue this year, buoyed by what remains of a $586 billion government stimulus program that began last year, meant to lift exports and consumption among Chinese consumers.

Still, betting against China will not be easy. Because foreigners are restricted from investing in stocks listed inside China, Mr. Chanos has said he is searching for other ways to make his bets, including focusing on construction- and infrastructure-related companies that sell cement, coal, steel and iron ore.

Mr. Chanos, 51, whose hedge fund, Kynikos Associates, based in New York, has $6 billion under management, is hardly the only skeptic on China. But he is certainly the most prominent and vocal.

For all his record of prescience — in addition to predicting Enron’s demise, he also spotted the looming problems of Tyco International, the Boston Market restaurant chain and, more recently, home builders and some of the world’s biggest banks — his detractors say that he knows little or nothing about China or its economy and that his bearish calls should be ignored.

“I find it interesting that people who couldn’t spell China 10 years ago are now experts on China,” said Jim Rogers, who co-founded the Quantum Fund with George Soros and now lives in Singapore. “China is not in a bubble.”

Colleagues acknowledge that Mr. Chanos began studying China’s economy in earnest only last summer and sent out e-mail messages seeking expert opinion.

But he is tagging along with the bears, who see mounting evidence that China’s stimulus package and aggressive bank lending are creating artificial demand, raising the risk of a wave of nonperforming loans.

“In China, he seems to see the excesses, to the third and fourth power, that he’s been tilting against all these decades,” said Jim Grant, a longtime friend and the editor of Grant’s Interest Rate Observer, who is also bearish on China. “He homes in on the excesses of the markets and profits from them. That’s been his stock and trade.”

Mr. Chanos declined to be interviewed, citing his continuing research on China. But he has already been spreading the view that the China miracle is blinding investors to the risk that the country is producing far too much.

“The Chinese,” he warned in an interview in November with Politico.com, “are in danger of producing huge quantities of goods and products that they will be unable to sell.”

In December, he appeared on CNBC to discuss how he had already begun taking short positions, hoping to profit from a China collapse.

In recent months, a growing number of analysts, and some Chinese officials, have also warned that asset bubbles might emerge in China.

The nation’s huge stimulus program and record bank lending, estimated to have doubled last year from 2008, pumped billions of dollars into the economy, reigniting growth.

But many analysts now say that money, along with huge foreign inflows of “speculative capital,” has been funneled into the stock and real estate markets.

A result, they say, has been soaring prices and a resumption of the building boom that was under way in early 2008 — one that Mr. Chanos and others have called wasteful and overdone.

“It’s going to be a bust,” said Gordon G. Chang, whose book, “The Coming Collapse of China” (Random House), warned in 2001 of such a crash.

Friends and colleagues say Mr. Chanos is comfortable betting against the crowd — even if that crowd includes the likes of Warren E. Buffett and Wilbur L. Ross Jr., two other towering figures of the investment world.

A contrarian by nature, Mr. Chanos researches companies, pores over public filings to sift out clues to fraud and deceptive accounting, and then decides whether a stock is overvalued and ready for a fall. He has a staff of 26 in the firm’s offices in New York and London, searching for other China-related information.

“His record is impressive,” said Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone Advisory Services. “He’s no fly-by-night charlatan. And I’m bullish on China.”

Mr. Chanos grew up in Milwaukee, one of three sons born to the owners of a chain of dry cleaners. At Yale, he was a pre-med student before switching to economics because of what he described as a passionate interest in the way markets operate.

His guiding philosophy was discovered in a book called “The Contrarian Investor,” according to an account of his life in “The Smartest Guys in the Room,” a book that chronicled Enron’s rise and downfall.

After college, he went to Wall Street, where he worked at a series of brokerage houses before starting his own firm in 1985, out of what he later said was frustration with the way Wall Street brokers promoted stocks.

At Kynikos Associates, he created a firm focused on betting on falling stock prices. His theories are summed up in testimony he gave to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce in 2002, after the Enron debacle. His firm, he said, looks for companies that appear to have overstated earnings, like Enron; were victims of a flawed business plan, like many Internet firms; or have been engaged in “outright fraud.”

That short-sellers are held in low regard by some on Wall Street, as well as Main Street, has long troubled him.

Short-sellers were blamed for intensifying market sell-offs in the fall 2008, before the practice was temporarily banned. Regulators are now trying to decide whether to restrict the practice.

Mr. Chanos often responds to critics of short-selling by pointing to the critical role they played in identifying problems at Enron, Boston Market and other “financial disasters” over the years.

“They are often the ones wearing the white hats when it comes to looking for and identifying the bad guys,” he has said.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

China also surpasses U.S. in literacy rate...bet you don't know that too

Sure they all know how to write the instruction labels that they have to write for the products your slave labor makes.

Chinese manufacturing sucks and shit like this drives me insane, fucking putting cadmium in kids jewelry.

China jewelry makers say toxic metal cuts costs
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Kid's charms and jewelry are sold at a shop at whole sale market Tuesday Jan. AP – Kid's charms and jewelry are sold at a shop at whole sale market Tuesday Jan. 12, 2010 in Yiwu, China. …

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By EUGENE HOSHIKO and ALEXA OLESEN, Associated Press Writers Eugene Hoshiko And Alexa Olesen, Associated Press Writers – Tue Jan 12, 4:25 pm ET

YIWU, China – For China's low-cost jewelry makers, it was an open trade secret: The metal cadmium is shiny, strong and malleable at low temperatures, regardless of its health hazards. And it's cheap.

Despite the risks, manufacturers in factories ringing this city on China's east coast say their top priority is profit. So offering cut-rate goods often means using lower quality materials, including cadmium, which is known to cause cancer.

"Business is business, and it's all up to our client," said He Huihua, manager of the Suiyuan Jewelry Shop at International Trade City in Yiwu, a sprawling wholesale mecca where sellers pitch their wares in hopes of landing a lucrative export contract.

He spoke from a small cubicle with rows of dangling metal earrings and key chains hanging on the wall. Elsewhere, brooches, necklaces, charms and other baubles shone under the market's lights.

"We just make what our clients order. If they pay more, we use the better raw material, and vice-versa. From a few cents to a few dollars, we can make the same style of jewelry product with a different raw material."

Asked what he thought about the health risks associated with cadmium and other toxic metals, He said: "I can't be overly concerned about that."

Long-standing concerns about the safety of Chinese exports flared anew this week after an investigation by The Associated Press found that 12 of 103 pieces of mainly Chinese-made children's jewelry bought in the Unites States contained at least 10 percent cadmium, some in the 80-90 percent range. Two had less than 10 percent and the rest had none.

The findings prompted retail giant Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to remove the products cited by AP from its stores in the United States. On Tuesday, the jewelry and accessories chain Claire's, with nearly 3,000 locations in North America and Europe, announced that it, too, would stop selling any item cited in the AP investigation.

Charms on a "Best Friends" bracelet sold at Claire's contained 89 and 91 percent cadmium, according to testing organized by AP, and shed alarming amounts in a procedure that examined how much cadmium children might be exposed to.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announced it was opening an investigation into the AP's findings, and China's government also took notice of the trouble brewing in its largest export market.

"We just heard about this, and we will investigate," said Wang Xin, director of supervision in the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine.

He spoke to an AP reporter at a toy safety conference in Hong Kong. His agency and the Ministry of Commerce did not immediately respond to written questions submitted by fax in Beijing.

The tainted jewelry was reminiscent of the product-safety scandals of 2007 in which dangerous levels of lead caused Mattel Inc. and other toy makers to recall large numbers of Chinese-made toys. Following that, the U.S. government enacted tougher limits on lead in toys.

Beijing also promised greater vigilance in enforcing safety standards for exports and the domestic market.

China has regulations limiting cadmium to tiny amounts in fashion jewelry and children's toys. Fashion jewelry should not contain more than 0.1 percent cadmium. In materials for toys, cadmium should not exceed 75 parts per million, or 50 parts per million for clay and paint.

The limits are comparable with international standards. But enforcement is still lax, as it was in 2007.

A metals expert in a Yiwu jewelry factory said some raw-material suppliers sell an alloy containing up to 90 percent cadmium.

Interviews with more than a dozen manufacturers and sellers in Yiwu confirm that cadmium is a common ingredient in the earrings, bracelets, charms and other baubles being churned out by local factories and piled high in that city's wholesale markets.

Yiwu, once a small county town five hours south of Shanghai, has boomed in the past 20 years. It now dominates China's low- to mid-range jewelry market, while premium products using gold and real gems tend to be made down south in the Pearl River Delta, near Hong Kong.

In all, China shipped about 1.3 million pounds (595,000 kilograms) of jewelry abroad in 2008 — a 15 percent decrease from the previous year, according to the Hong Kong-based consulting firm Global Sources.

Tao Xinyao, a metals expert who works in the Yiwu factory for jewelry maker Neoglory, said she noticed an uptick in the use of cadmium around 2003, when prices of the metal hit a low. Jewelry makers discovered they could work with cadmium at much lower temperatures than they could zinc, the most common nontoxic material, she said.

The lower melting point for cadmium — around 300 degrees Celsius compared to 400 degrees for zinc — means factories use less energy and do not need to change their silicon rubber molds as often, Tao said. Because cadmium is lighter than zinc, buyers also get more per ton when they buy an alloy.

"In the Yiwu market, some material suppliers sell so-called 'zinc alloys,'" Tao said. "However, this may contain just a very small amount of zinc, and 80 to 90 percent cadmium. It actually should be called cadmium alloy."

Lead and cadmium are commonly found in metal jewelry sold in China simply because it's cheaper. A ton of high-quality zinc costs about 28,000 yuan ($4,100) while zinc with lead, cadmium or both in it sells for about 16,000 yuan ($2,350), said Frank Zhang, an executive with a jewelry factory in Yiwu that specializes in high-end exports but who did not want his Chinese or company names used.

Industry executives said most of the low-end goods with high amounts of cadmium are sold in China and increasingly sent to Dubai and other markets in the Middle East with less stringent import controls than the U.S. or Europe.

Cutting corners and trimming costs have become even more critical to Chinese manufacturers since the financial crisis sent purchase orders plummeting. Global Sources said about 10 percent of China's jewelry plants were forced to shut down in 2008 due to the financial crisis.

Sales representative Toby Zhu said his company, a jewelry factory in Yiwu that turns out faux diamonds and jade strung on gold-plated chains, is among those feeling the pinch.

Over the last year, Zhu's factory closed its showroom at the trade mall, laid off seven of its 100 workers and gave deep discounts to loyal customers in an attempt to weather the financial crisis. They are also using a cheaper grade of zinc than before, but Zhu denied switching to a cadmium alloy. He said their zinc alloys were mid-range in price and contained safe metals such as copper, magnesium or steel.

Zhu, who did not want his Chinese or company's name used, said lead was even better than cadmium or zinc for tiny charms. Since the U.S. adopted more restrictions on lead, he said, many overseas clients have come to demand lead-free products, probably prompting many manufacturers to turn to cadmium.

Making sure Chinese-made goods are safe requires constant vigilance — something many foreign companies fail to do, said Christopher Devereux, managing director of the Guangzhou-based consulting firm Chinasavvy HK Ltd. China traders like Devereux call it "quality fade" — a phenomenon in China in which suppliers constantly try to produce goods more cheaply with lower-quality materials.

"In any other country in the West, your quality curve goes upwards, but it's the opposite in China. We just have learned our lesson. We need to check every single batch," said Devereux who helps Western companies buy and produce a variety of goods in China, from toys and plumbing fixtures to shoes and lunch boxes.

"Cadmium is one of the nastiest of the heavy metals, worse than lead. I was absolutely amazed that people were using it," he said.

Chen Zaiying, manager of the Yiwu SK Jewelry shop in the International Trade City, echoed Devereux's comment, saying many Chinese manufacturers combine hazardous batches with others that comply with regulations in the destination market.

"The buyer should not rely only on the inspection report offered by the producer," Chen said. "They should have the sense to do their own inspection as well if they really want the product to meet the export standard."

[Jingwu3]

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

Sure they all know how to write the instruction labels that they have to write for the products your slave labor makes.

Chinese manufacturing sucks and shit like this drives me insane, fucking putting cadmium in kids jewelry.

I dont own any slave labours you idiot. The white americans do.

and China exports toy to all over the world, and only americans bitch, you ever wonder why? try using your brain, it helps

[bengy]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

China also surpasses U.S. in literacy rate...bet you don't know that too

They also have 4 - 5 times the population. Bravo

[ak1to]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

China also surpasses U.S. in literacy rate...bet you don't know that too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._literacy_rate

Based on 2009's report:

United States comes in at #18 with 99.0
China comes in at #80 with 93.3

But getting back on track to the topic at hand, I think Google leaving China doesn't help anyone. There's little to no chance China's going to make any concessions for 'face' and political reasons; and because of that, people there will be forced to use Baidu, judging from Baidu's comments they're just a bunch of immature tools. Being there continuing trying to open doors against censorship would be better no?

[Jingwu3]

Originally Posted by ak1to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._literacy_rate

Based on 2009's report:

United States comes in at #18 with 99.0
China comes in at #80 with 93.3

But getting back on track to the topic at hand, I think Google leaving China doesn't help anyone. There's little to no chance China's going to make any concessions for 'face' and political reasons; and because of that, people there will be forced to use Baidu, judging from Baidu's comments they're just a bunch of immature tools. Being there continuing trying to open doors against censorship would be better no?

On that list Cuba's literacy rank is #1 and Japan is #19...and Tonga(a country in africa) ranks #17, Kyrgyzstan actually rank #15...ahead of Canada which is #19....... you believe that shit?

As much as I understand alot of you guys dont believe in any data coming from China, the Americans are actually much more sophisticated in fooling their citizens..the american government is capable of fooling their people and excercise control on them without them even knowing, better yet, making the average americans believe how they actually have alot of "freedom", such as freedom to vote and choose a president, when in fact they dont have any. This is coming from an article from the states.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

I dont own any slave labours you idiot. The white americans do.

and China exports toy to all over the world, and only americans bitch, you ever wonder why? try using your brain, it helps

This post makes no sense.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by Jingwu3

On that list Cuba's literacy rank is #1 and Japan is #19... you believe that shit?

I'm more likely to believe wikipedia than your propaganda shit.