Which is partly why it sounds like a civic is because it drives like one. No torque low end and once vtaaak kicks in daaaawg

^ get a 4.10 rear diff and any concerns you have about low end torque goes away.

The E46 M3 was geared way to high.....with stock 3.62 gears, the M3 was geared to go 206mph...obviously the car cannot go 206mph stock. With 4.10 gears, the M3 is still geared for 181mph......

do you know anything about cars?

lols. hearing how you guys talk about it, sounds like our Hondurrrr motors. :D

speak of VQ.. yes their low to mid is quite nice, but they seem to run out of breath at about 6ish or so. never tried the VQ35HR's though. heard theyre better on the top end part.


Z3guy// shorter final drive makes a night and day diff on "torque" challenged cars. i could really feel it on my ITR gear box.. from 4.4 to the 4.7 was night and day. some guys even put 5.1 in those cars..

ya when i drove it after the 350z, it really kinda reminded me of my k20

just 2 more cylinders, more refined..more powerful.

but the reason it reminded me was the lack of low end (compare to VQ) so kinda apple to apple.


Nonetheless, i heart E46 all the way

just sharing my 2 cents how the two diff motor's characteristics are. VQ VS S45

Some good info in this thread as I was considering one this year...

:lol to people who buy cars based on exhaust notes, or think a 2004 is too old.

What the fuck?

VQ35DE makes between 260 ft-lb and 274 ft-lb of torque at 4,800rpm (depending on vehicle/model year). The new VQ37 makes slightly more but at a higher peak RPM.

S54 makes 262 ft-lb or torque at 4,900rpm.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q.../M5/M3vsM5.jpg
(look at how flat the power band is)

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno...-350Z-Dyno.gif
(oh wowz 6 more torques! :rofl:)

The S54 has plenty of low-end power for driving around town. Anyone who says otherwise either enjoys shredding rubber from every stoplight and/or has never driven an e46 M3.

stfu

you don't even own either car. I own both G35 and a M3. you know nothing about the difference
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...82742_3522.jpg

LOL

u are telling me to shut the fuck up?

u little piece of shitty ass midget honger?

u are one to talk


no one belives what the FUCK u drive moron

claiming ur lambo, ur ferrari, porsche.
i had enough of ur motherfucking bullshit on revscene

awww.... did i hurt your feelings?
fact is, I own both and you only driven each for a short test drive. now shut the fuck up and crawl back to your shitty RSX
btw, i never claim to own any lambo or ferrari on RS ever. I do claim to own porsches cuz I do have 3

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/30403...nal/YouMad.jpg

why oh why


i dare u to show up at the RS meet


btw bring one of ur ride to prove urself worthy

i already lost count what u claim to be urs and whats not

the whole RS wants to know, just look at ur own avatar...resident bullshiter.

:rolleyes: Gee i wonder how you got that title.

As far as i could count, you were never able to prove something solid regarding the high end vehicles you claim to own.

so why not do everyone a favor and settle the score once for all


PS:
lol last time i checked u drive a white yaris with some cheap shitty work rims. Now whether u sold it or not, i dont care. WHy? becuz for all we know, u actually did own the yaris. the rest? you aint got no proof.

in fact I did bring my M3 out to a RS meet a few yrs ago

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...08407_3270.jpg

i actually forgot to take a pic of my own car at the meet LOL

the grey one in the top corner?

For the record, I'm inclined to agree with your skepticism, buddy could very well be bs'ing about his cars and he's obviously interested in showing off.

BUT, he's right about the engine. The S54 has more power throughout most of the power band, and doesn't give up much torque to the VQ motor at all. Because it's an inline configuration it's also way, way smoother than the VQ and any 4-banger.

(However, I do think that BMW sacrificed a bit of that silky-smooth feeling when they enlarged the M54 by 200cc to create the S54... every time I drive an e46 M3 I notice that it's a bit rougher than my non-M e46. Small price to pay for 108 more horsepower. :rofl:)

I like the VQ motor a lot, and I'd own a vehicle powered by a VQ-series engine in a heartbeat... but the S54 is just light years beyond in refinement, power delivery, responsiveness, and top-end power... and it has nearly the same low-RPM performance all the while.

Can't agree more ! But I don't think the engine is rough, it's just the noise and sound ! Let's think it this way, BMW made the non-M engines silky smooth for 4 door saloon ! :D

Ok well then just make sure you dont try to pass any hondas with an intake on the highway with your "ultimate" driving machine. They just might not be in the mood to let you pass.
Hence why peaky powerbands suck if you dont know how to extract every rev and make the most of it your gonna get punked by kid in their rsx.

Actually I wish I didn't. The whole reason this thing strikes near and dear to me is because I was sitting in traffic one day and heard the nastiest fartbox sounding exhaust..... So i'm thinking oh great what kinda idiot kids do we have pulling up next to us... a 1980's honda with a broken exhaust? Maybe typernammer in his delsol? Or maybe a automatic accord with cut springs and a ebay exhaust? Believe me... was I in for a shock when I saw it was an m3 with a modded exhaust....

his dad's rich friends own those ferraris / lambos /etc.

he has the porsches in hk + m3

G35 + M3 + yaris are here.


thats what i have on track so far. not unreasonable imo.

:fuuuuu:

ya with the CSL rims

Just to rub it in more to your euro paying to drive a big badge and looks types. You'd think your m3cs would be shod with stickier tires than a rsx-s right? Well guess what road and track 700ft slalom ...
m3cs 67.3
rsx-s 67.1
So given the rsx-s be on the same tires i'm not sure there really is any performance reason to get an m3 aside from rolling down robson thinking your hot shit.

I don't know what you're talking about becuz thats my buddy's garage back in Tokyo. He loved his cars so much he had them shipped to where he moved (talk about automotive enthusiast). I dont know where you got the shots from either cuz hes a pretty low-key guy and only takes his cars out Sunday nights if hes meeting up with his crew (they're pretty tight, you might have heard of them; Yakuza). Anyways, yea man, stop taking other people's photos... man. :blushsmile:

wow..so I guess you drive around town swerving through cones eh?