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Amaru 07-07-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7019292)
I believe performance is measured in numbers. The slalom is not the end all for handling but it surely cannot be dismissed either. Clearly when given stats that the m3 is not as great as you claim you have no evidence to back it up so you and marco911 can get together and circle jerk each other with unmeasurable performance stats. The rest of us that are after performance know where to look and that surely isn't at bmw.

:troll: You're a fucking moron!!!! :thumbsup:

"...nothing can touch BMW's mastery of refining and redefining the entire performance envelope. This is one of the few performance cars that can triumph at weekend track days and still carry four friends in perfect comfort and luxury to an evening movie. It's as at home tearing up a winding mountain road as it is commuting on the freeway. The M3 is elegant and powerful, and it does its job at a comfort level not many cars can match." - Popular Mechanics Magazine, after awarding the 2008 BMW M3 it's "Performance Vehicle of the Year" award

The BMW M3 has made Car & Driver's annual "Ten Best" list a record NINETEEN TIMES.

In 2006, it was the "World Car of the Year" at the New York Auto Show.

Various M3 motors, including the e46 and e90 models, have won "engine of the year" awards numerous times.

Car & Driver gave the E92 M3 a 5-star rating and said that it's "perhaps the best car on the planet."







Troll somewhere else you fucking goon.

Death2Theft 07-07-2010 09:21 PM

Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general. Sure you may know an m3 that has gone 1 million miles with nothing but oil changes but that doesn't change what the majority of owners experience.
I never said a rsx would "feel" better than an m3 just the fact that your 25k bargain would have problems passing a rsx. So when you take the companies "ultimate driving machine" slogan and bang for the buck together it just does not work.

Of course posers will hate that for 25k you cant' really have the ultimate driving machine but hey obviously a few of you are convinced that possible.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 7020183)
You could take the $25k and buy a $5k car and spend $20k moding the shit out of it. It willl definitely be faster but when it comes time to sell, you've only got a $10k car


Zyzz 07-07-2010 10:02 PM

that is quite wrong actually... most first hand buyers paid 100k for the m3's (could buy a townhouse in richmond back then around '02), and i really doubt the cost of upkeep is significant especially after the 4 year warranty. My inspection II costed nearly 2k, and the tires costed about 2.5k. So it costs about 2k per year.

in fact all the e46 m3 owners i know moved on to the new m3, m5, m6, maserati, r8, etc quickly after each appeared

Amaru 07-07-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7020333)
I never said a rsx would "feel" better than an m3 just the fact that your 25k bargain would have problems passing a rsx.

No, actually, it wouldn't. Since you believe a car's performance is judged by "numbers," let's look at some numbers...

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2002 RSX Type-S: FWD, 2.0L I-4, 200 bhp, 142 lb-ft. @ 6000 rpm, 2771 lb. curb weight (13.8 lb per 1 bhp)

2001 BMW M3: RWD, 3.2L I-6, 333 bhp, 262 lb-ft @ 4900 rpm, 3407 lb. curb weight (10.8 lb per 1 bhp)

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2002 RSX Type-S, 0-60mph: 6.5 seconds

2001 BMW M3, 0-60mph: 4.7 seconds

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2002 RSX Type-S, 1/4 mile: 15.20 s @ 93.6 mph

2001 BMW M3, 1/4 mile: 13.38 s @ 105.73 mph

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In other words, the M3 is way fucking faster.

cressydrift 07-07-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vsvs (Post 7020397)
that is quite wrong actually... most first hand buyers paid 100k for the m3's (could buy a townhouse in richmond back then around '02), and i really doubt the cost of upkeep is significant especially after the 4 year warranty. My inspection II costed nearly 2k, and the tires costed about 2.5k. So it costs about 2k per year.

in fact all the e46 m3 owners i know moved on to the new m3, m5, m6, maserati, r8, etc quickly after each appeared


Uhhhh???????????????????????????????????

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOUBLE RAINBOW!!!!!!

Amaru 07-07-2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7020333)
Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general.

Good point. We should all buy Toyota Corolla's, because they have a very very low cost of ownership.

Find me a $90,000 performance car (a la M3) that doesn't cost more to maintain than a $35,000 economy-oriented Honda.

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

ALEX1988 07-07-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7014621)
Ok well then just make sure you dont try to pass any hondas with an intake on the highway with your "ultimate" driving machine. They just might not be in the mood to let you pass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mc6rmEJerA
Hence why peaky powerbands suck if you dont know how to extract every rev and make the most of it your gonna get punked by kid in their rsx.

you should go and race your rsx with a mazda3...not a bmw m3..
o wait...yours is a type-s, then go find a mazdaspeed3...

Zyzz 07-07-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cressydrift (Post 7020408)
Uhhhh???????????????????????????????????

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOUBLE RAINBOW!!!!!!

considering the car costed 100k, 2k per year ( if i dont need tires or inspt II, then its around 500) after 4 years is pretty insignificant

unit 07-07-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cressydrift (Post 7020408)
Uhhhh???????????????????????????????????

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? DOUBLE RAINBOW!!!!!!

i think it means it might actually be a triple rainbow :rofl:

Death2Theft 07-08-2010 06:16 AM

Obviously not fast enough for the average hamfisted driver to be able to make the most out of that engine to pass a rsx on the highway. But hey bmw's are only driven by "ultimate drivers":rofl:

So if you have say a less than M series bmw then damn u better watch out! Getting clowned by hondas all day!
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Originally Posted by Amaru (Post 7020407)
No, actually, it wouldn't. Since you believe a car's performance is judged by "numbers," let's look at some numbers...

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2002 RSX Type-S: FWD, 2.0L I-4, 200 bhp, 142 lb-ft. @ 6000 rpm, 2771 lb. curb weight (13.8 lb per 1 bhp)

2001 BMW M3: RWD, 3.2L I-6, 333 bhp, 262 lb-ft @ 4900 rpm, 3407 lb. curb weight (10.8 lb per 1 bhp)

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2002 RSX Type-S, 0-60mph: 6.5 seconds

2001 BMW M3, 0-60mph: 4.7 seconds

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2002 RSX Type-S, 1/4 mile: 15.20 s @ 93.6 mph

2001 BMW M3, 1/4 mile: 13.38 s @ 105.73 mph

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In other words, the M3 is way fucking faster.


Z3guy 07-08-2010 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cressydrift (Post 7020169)
I wouldn't say the E46 M3 is the best 25K range used car. It might be the nicest looking but I wouldn't say the best.

Its a toy car. Not good at hauling stuff, not good in snow, gas is pricey and its a sports car so chances are it's been thrashed (If buying used).

But for the shake of argument we will say you have a different car that does all of those things and you have 25k burning a hole in your wallet. PERSONALLY I would buy something older (240, skyline, rx7, ae86... that's just what I like) and fix it, and make some minor changes.

Example : Toyota AE86 cost $500-$5000.

Honda F20c + Suspension + Brakes + ETC = 250 - 300 Hp, Sub 1800lbs car which would destroy that M3. For less money, and you would have something more original...ish*

But I like tinkering, mods, and monsters. I know you can do that with the m3, but throw 25k at a M3 or the 50k to buy something else, and ill take a NSX.

With your logic, I could get a Datsun 510 and drop a V8 in it and destroy any AE86 or Honda.

You say the M3 is a toy car, but your car examples are even less practical and usable.

As great of a car the NSX is, it is a difficult car to drive in the city....rearward vision is a nightmare, clutch and window regulators are huge money.....looks great, but compared to modern cars, it has allot to be desired.

Mugen EvOlutioN 07-08-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7020333)
Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general. Sure you may know an m3 that has gone 1 million miles with nothing but oil changes but that doesn't change what the majority of owners experience.
I never said a rsx would "feel" better than an m3 just the fact that your 25k bargain would have problems passing a rsx. So when you take the companies "ultimate driving machine" slogan and bang for the buck together it just does not work.

Of course posers will hate that for 25k you cant' really have the ultimate driving machine but hey obviously a few of you are convinced that possible.

wow wait a minute
since when a DC5 able to out run a m3? even with I/RH/E kproed

i know with my current new setup i can beat a 350z, but highly doubt a m3 dude

cressydrift 07-08-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Z3guy (Post 7020722)
With your logic, I could get a Datsun 510 and drop a V8 in it and destroy any AE86 or Honda.

You say the M3 is a toy car, but your car examples are even less practical and usable.

As great of a car the NSX is, it is a difficult car to drive in the city....rearward vision is a nightmare, clutch and window regulators are huge money.....looks great, but compared to modern cars, it has allot to be desired.

Exactly right with the 510, but in a straight line;).

I understand fully that if need be you could drive the M3 daily (Compared to a highly modified car which will be less reliable). Also don't get me wrong that I really like the E46 M3. If I was going to own one though I would drive it like a toy. On the weekend, couple times to work, and on the track. Same with NSX or any other "Sports car". That's why I would opt for something else that I really like.

unit 07-08-2010 09:28 AM

^its a pretty good daily driver overall...
its comfortable, and arguing snow and towing capabilities isnt really fair for any sports car

BEEB 07-08-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN (Post 7020763)
wow wait a minute
since when a DC5 able to out run a m3? even with I/RH/E kproed

i know with my current new setup i can beat a 350z, but highly doubt a m3 dude

hey, you bring your RSX-S, I bring my M. We can do some runs !

Mugen EvOlutioN 07-08-2010 10:40 AM

lol why would i wonna embarrass myself :rofl::rofl::rofl:


2nd and 3rd i can keep up, 4th i'd get pulled away


thats the result i seen for most cases

kproed ones...not too sure


fairly interesting.

im kproed...so i dont know...

Tegra_Devil 07-08-2010 10:45 AM

if I had 25Kish...id import a decent condition 91-92 NSX from the states

Z3guy 07-08-2010 10:48 AM

^ get ready to spend $10K to get it running properly....

Tegra_Devil 07-08-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Z3guy (Post 7020951)
^ get ready to spend $10K to get it running properly....

im sure it would run properly...

plus its a honda...it isnt gonna take 10K to run

Z3guy 07-08-2010 10:59 AM

^ do you know window regulators on the NSX are a common problem? they probably cost $100 on a Civic, but for the NSX...it is $2K for a special cable system. Do some research before you talk nonsense.

Sure, a nice condition, low KMs NSX will run well...but if you want to buy a NSX for $21-$25K...it is going to beat to shit....why do you think people sell their NSX so cheap? they want to good guys?.. nice ones go for $40-$60K

freakshow 07-08-2010 12:03 PM

Can we just close this thread? I can't even believe we're talking about RSX vs M3.. You have a higher chance at seeing a triple rainbow than beating an M3 in an RSX.

unit 07-08-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil (Post 7020953)
im sure it would run properly...

plus its a honda...it isnt gonna take 10K to run

its a 100k USD car... the parts arent gonna be your typical honda prices.

Z3guy 07-08-2010 01:16 PM

^ plus the chassis and body are made of aluminum, try getting your NSX fixed at your local body shop.....

too_slow 07-08-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil (Post 7020953)
im sure it would run properly...

plus its a honda...it isnt gonna take 10K to run

Stop trolling.. There's a reason why early 90s NSXs are still going for $40k+ USD.. It's called full service history.

Anything in the 20-35k range is shit.. high milleage, no service history, snap-range (sp??) etc.. Good luck keeping a NSX on the road with the mentality that it'll cost the same as an SI (even a S2k costs a lot more than a SI)

too_slow 07-08-2010 02:08 PM

For $25k I would look for a 2002/2003 E39 M5 from the States with full service history and slap on a tubi exhaust... "NA is best"


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