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As the United States and China battle over the finer points of currency manipulation at the G-20 summit, American negotiators may want to take note of this startling testimonial to the productivity of Chinese workers: A construction crew in the south-central Chinese city of Changsha has completed a 15-story hotel in just six days. If nothing else, this remarkable achievement will stoke further complaints from American economic pundits that China's economy is far more accomplished than ours in tending to such basics as construction.
looks like they just did the exterior and some interior.....what about plumbing/electrical/safety checks/carpets/beds/toilets/baths/tiles/elevator and all that shit for all the rooms?
Safety and quality is definitely a concern, but you still can't argue with the fact that they completed this in only 6 days. But yea, I'd hope they spend some more time building to ensure that it meets all the standard.
looks like they just did the exterior and some interior.....what about plumbing/electrical/safety checks/carpets/beds/toilets/baths/tiles/elevator and all that shit for all the rooms?
I'm guessing none of that stuff is built in yet, looks like they just constructed the base/core/structure whatever you want to call it. I think I would feel more comfortable knowing a building was built stable/safe rather than a speedy job :P
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well they built all the rooms and stuff somewhere else and brought it in
which means all the electrical and plumbing is done for each suite and probably just has to be connected to the main sets
In the weekend’s bizarrest news, a nearly finished, newly constructed building in Shanghai toppled over, killing one worker. As can be seen in the photo below, the 13-story apartment building collapsed with just enough room to escape what would have been a far more destructive domino effect involving other structures in the 11-building complex.
A building at the Lotus Riverside complex in Shanghai’s Minhang district collapsed, nearly intact, on Saturday morning The development, known as “Lotus Riverside,” has a total of 629 units, 489 of which have already been sold. Now buyers are clamoring to get their money back, and authorities are making efforts to reassure them. The assets of the project’s developer, Shanghai Meidu Property Development Co., have been frozen and the city officials said the developer’s ability to repay homebuyers was secure, according to a statement on the municipal government’s Web site (in Chinese). A hotline has been set up for Lotus Riverside buyers, and by Sunday afternoon, more than half of them had met with a group of lawyers and officials organized to help them negotiate with the developer, according to the statement.
Meanwhile, the cause of the accident is under investigation and nine unidentified people from the developer, contractor and management company have been detained.
A representative of Shanghai Meidu could not be reached for comment.
The disaster could reveal some uncomfortable facts about lax construction practices in China, where buildings are put up in a hurry by largely unskilled migrant workers, and developers may be tempted to take shortcuts.
According to Shanghai Daily, initial investigations attribute the accident to the excavations for the construction of a garage under the collapsed building. Large quantities of earth were removed and dumped in a landfill next to a nearby creek; the weight of the earth caused the river bank to collapse, which, in turn, allowed water to seep into the ground, creating a muddy foundation for the building that toppled.
The South China Morning Post noted that the pilings used in the Lotus Riverside development, made of prestressed, precast concrete piles, are outlawed in Hong Kong because they aren’t strong enough to support the kind of ultra-high buildings that are common in Hong Kong. But in mainland China, they are often used because buildings there are typically much shorter.
Quality problems have long plagued construction in China, though they seem to be more apparent in rural areas and smaller cities, not in major metropolises such as Shanghai and Beijing. When school buildings were flattened by last year’s massive Sichuan earthquake, a number of parents faulted shoddy construction for creating “tofu buildings” that fell while other nearby structures were able to withstand the impact of the quake. More recently, state media reported that several new dams along the Yellow River are in danger of collapse, a situation attributed to shoddy construction practices, embezzlement and unqualified workers.
6x Less Material: even though the construction materials are much
lighter(250kg/m2) than the traditional materials(over 1500kg/m2), the floors
and walls are solid with surefootedness, airtight and sound-proofing
5x Energy Efficient: 150mm thermal insulation for walls and roofs, triple
glazed plastic windows, external solar shading, heat insulation, fresh
air heat recovery, LED lighting, yearly HAVC A/C energy consumption
equivalent to 7 liters oil.
20x Purification: after 3 levels of purification, the purification efficiency
for fresh air reaches 95%-99.9%; air exchanged 1-2.5 times per hour, and
indoor air is 20x cleaner than out door air
1% Construction Waste: all components are factory made, construction
waste, mainly package materials, result from on site set-up only and
amount to 1% of the total weight of the building.
This is the first building in human history which combines almost all
environmental friendly, comfortable and secure elements. So, we call it:
Sustainable Building
Taking into consideration that China has a billion people, finding workers to keep a work site going around the clock is not hard.
I don't think the number of people has anything to do with it.
In general, asian people are harder working. This is from personal experience at various jobs.
There were homes back in I think the 70s ors 80s in San Diego which were built in 6 hours. These homes are still standing today being lived in without any problems.
Actually, you'll be surprised as that DOES factor in to the speed of the building process. China has a lot of man power plus hard workers. Just these two points will aid in building more and faster projects. Heck If you head to Hangzhou, Chang Sha or any of the smaller cities, you can see 20-30 Condos/Apartments going up at once. Just because one bad structured building goes on the radar doesn't mean ALL of them are bad.
In order to keep the unemployment rate lower, they will try and employ as many people as possible.
try paying the construction workers in the US/Canada for night shift = $$$$
anything is possible if you have a lot of money. you can easily do that in north america as long as the construction company and the contractors are willing to pay for it.
it's a totally different ball game. you just cannot compare China in terms of manpower and resource. they have unlimited amount of cheap labour and it's quite feasible to do that in china.
with the attitude of north american workers, unions, price of work and material, it's impossible to do something like that or remotely close to it.
Exactly. I've stayed in many hotels and apartments in China, and the workmanship is ALWAYS (not sometimes, ALWAYS) shit. Even "nice" apartments, gated communities, etc.
One place I stayed at was beautifully decorated, fully landscaped, managed, etc. But the drains in the bathroom weren't done properly, so after you shower, the entire bathroom is filled with water.
how many of you are in or have been in the construction industry?
the reason why this is not possible here is because we have something called "standards"
We have strict building codes, inspections, etc...
we employ "Tradesmen" , with proper training, not semi-skilled labourers that will work around the clock for sticky rice and wonton soup
we dont want our 26th floor apartment turn into a ground floor pile of rubbish in the event of an earthquake.
we dont want electrical fires while we're asleep....
and certainly dont want our upstairs neighbours, shit and piss seep through our ceilings because of a poor plumbing job.
you couldnt build a house in 6 days in Vancouver [very possible hypothetically] because as the above post states, there are inspections, services, and utilities that have to be run/inspected as the process goes along
obviously the "inspector" is a part of the project management in this process
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i think this building is pretty safe compared to others in China. it uses pre-frab steel so at least there is less room for measurement errors.
They could care less about how well the plumbing is or interior in China's development cities. All they care about is how the building looks on the outside so when people take pictures it looks like the region is well developed.
i think this building is pretty safe compared to others in China. it uses pre-frab steel so at least there is less room for measurement errors.
They could care less about how well the plumbing is or interior in China's development cities. All they care about is how the building looks on the outside so when people take pictures it looks like the region is well developed.
how do u know the pre-fab'd steel beams and columns were made correctly from the factory off-site?
it's easy to make "fake" metal. the modulus of elasticity of the metal and structural design/strength can easily be compromised for cheaper price.
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