The BlackBerry PlayBook

[Jmac]

It's funny, because if you look at the reviews, a lot of them have the Gmail, Yahoo Mail, etc. apps installed, but they're not available through AppWorld (at least not yet) ... Kind of weird ...

Anyways, I got a chance to use it today for about half an hour. Screen is REALLY nice (a lot nicer than my friend's Motorola Xoom, which we had side-by-side), definitely multi-tasks well, but WebOS owns the crap out of it as far as functionality goes. Even WebOS 1.4.5 (original Pre) has more functionality than QNX, let alone the current versions of WebOS ... I have a gut feeling WebOS 3.0 is going to be years ahead of QNX when the HP Touchpad is released unless Blackberry fast-tracks their feature-sets and functionality via updates ...

The tutorial at the beginning is super-annoying ...

[jeff19]

Originally Posted by 6insomnia9

It really surprises me how ipad is at its 2nd generation and still does not support flash.

Flash is pretty useful to me as I'm going to be mostly browsing on it and on RevScene we come across a lot of embedded links. I can't wait to get my playbook and do the blackberry bridge

And ill get the new device , blackberry bold touch and I'm set until the next berry comes out

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http://www.gsmarena.com/adobe_flash_...-news-2530.php

Flash will available soon for iOS. One of the reasons why Apple refused to incorporate flash into their devices is because it makes the web experience significantly slower. I've played with the xoom and with flash content enabled, browsing the web does feel alot more sluggish and not as fluid as the ipad.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Even WebOS 1.4.5 (original Pre) has more functionality than QNX, let alone the current versions of WebOS ... I have a gut feeling WebOS 3.0 is going to be years ahead of QNX when the HP Touchpad is released unless Blackberry fast-tracks their feature-sets and functionality via updates

WebOS will never surpass QNX. Besides, you're comparing apples to oranges. QNX is a real-time mission critical OS. WebOS is based off Linux, which is significanlty inferior to QNX.

What you're talking about are the interfaces on top of the underlying kernel, which is the part that people interact with. It would be easy for RIM to make the interface as slick and functional as WebOS. HP could never make the kernel of WebOS as good as QNX.

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by 6insomnia9

It really surprises me how ipad is at its 2nd generation and still does not support flash.

Flash is pretty useful to me as I'm going to be mostly browsing on it and on RevScene we come across a lot of embedded links. I can't wait to get my playbook and do the blackberry bridge

And ill get the new device , blackberry bold touch and I'm set until the next berry comes out

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Lol you make it sound like the don't know how to support flash. They purposely choose not to support flash. Probably never will.
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[6insomnia9]

Originally Posted by jeff19

http://www.gsmarena.com/adobe_flash_...-news-2530.php

Flash will available soon for iOS. One of the reasons why Apple refused to incorporate flash into their devices is because it makes the web experience significantly slower. I've played with the xoom and with flash content enabled, browsing the web does feel alot more sluggish and not as fluid as the ipad.

I could reallly not care if Motorola or any other company makes their own tablet , nothing will ever convince me to buy anything other than the Blackberry Playbook or even the Ipad. For whatever reason apple does not support flash , that is totally up to them, that is one less thing that will convince me to buy apple products. And how slow can it get? I doubt people will start RQing because it loads up 2 seconds slower with flash.

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Lol you make it sound like the don't know how to support flash. They purposely choose not to support flash. Probably never will.

Eh, a lot of people use flash , it will be on phones sooner or later.

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[Death2Theft]

Cracking me up the radio ad said that they open at 7:30 so get up bright and early! HAH When the fuck has anyone ever lined up for a crack berry product.
I'll be sticking with my m11xr3 and nexus s combo thx.

[6insomnia9]

Lol? What does your alienware have to do with the playbook?
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[Jmac]

Originally Posted by dangonay

WebOS will never surpass QNX. Besides, you're comparing apples to oranges. QNX is a real-time mission critical OS. WebOS is based off Linux, which is significanlty inferior to QNX.

What you're talking about are the interfaces on top of the underlying kernel, which is the part that people interact with. It would be easy for RIM to make the interface as slick and functional as WebOS. HP could never make the kernel of WebOS as good as QNX.

It's been out for 12 hours, how much actual experience do you have with the Playbook, exactly ?

Yes, nothing compares to the Playbook because it runs QNX. Everyone else should stop making tablets because the Playbook runs QNX which is the greatest thing ever. Let's just completely disregard all of its many flaws because it runs QNX. We'll just completely ignore that our first demo unit stopped displaying half the screen on the first day until a reboot and that we had one returned within 3 hours of launch with it stuck on bootup ... because it runs QNX, OS of champions. Want to edit the photos you've taken ? Nope, can't do that, but it's QNX, so it's okay. Want to edit your videos ? Want to take a picture in portrait and be able to view it fullscreen ? Ha, what are you retarded or something ? You obviously can't do that, but it runs QNX, so it's okay. Want to use your POP or IMAP e-mail ? Good luck without a Blackberry phone, but it has QNX, so that's okay. Want to play Netflix on your HDTV ? At least it has QNX, though, right ? Want to have 40 separate browser pages open just for shits and giggles ? Well, you could do that on a Palm Pre w/ 256MB of RAM, but the almighty QNX can't do it with 1GB. Want to do anything most people would want to do ? Too bad, but at least it has a technically superior OS, even though you can do absolutely fuck all with it at the moment.

All hail QNX, new OS champion for the last 12 hours ...

I don't need a lesson about QNX and I certainly don't need 5 lessons saying the same thing I already knew before you even said anything in this thread.

QNX needs updates and apps or it's going to get left in the dust ...

[illicitstylz]

Originally Posted by Jmac

It's been out for 12 hours, how much actual experience do you have with the Playbook, exactly ?

Yes, nothing compares to the Playbook because it runs QNX. Everyone else should stop making tablets because the Playbook runs QNX which is the greatest thing ever. Let's just completely disregard all of its many flaws because it runs QNX. We'll just completely ignore that our first demo unit stopped displaying half the screen on the first day until a reboot and that we had one returned within 3 hours of launch with it stuck on bootup ... because it runs QNX, OS of champions. Want to edit the photos you've taken ? Nope, can't do that, but it's QNX, so it's okay. Want to edit your videos ? Want to take a picture in portrait and be able to view it fullscreen ? Ha, what are you retarded or something ? You obviously can't do that, but it runs QNX, so it's okay. Want to use your POP or IMAP e-mail ? Good luck without a Blackberry phone, but it has QNX, so that's okay. Want to play Netflix on your HDTV ? At least it has QNX, though, right ? Want to have 40 separate browser pages open just for shits and giggles ? Well, you could do that on a Palm Pre w/ 256MB of RAM, but the almighty QNX can't do it with 1GB. Want to do anything most people would want to do ? Too bad, but at least it has a technically superior OS, even though you can do absolutely fuck all with it at the moment.

All hail QNX, new OS champion for the last 12 hours ...

I don't need a lesson about QNX and I certainly don't need 5 lessons saying the same thing I already knew before you even said anything in this thread.

QNX needs updates and apps or it's going to get left in the dust ...

jellysaurus detected.

[JaSoN_520]

QNX may be a superior operating system but what does it mean to the average user? I believe most if not all operating systems in end consumer electronics and computers are not real time. Are we running mission critical tasks that have hard schedules that must be met? Most likely not. iOS may not multi-task nicely, and that's one of its flaws.

On low power mobile processors, QNX may run more efficiently. But these processors are getting more and more powerful to the point where they can run Windows. Everyone here has experience using Windows, OS X, and Linux right? These aren't real time operating systems (though there are real time variants) but yet they still seem to do their job no?

It is like comparing apples and oranges but to the average user its still a fruit, and that's all they will see.

[goo3]

Anyone try it out? It's a good start.

- Platform is good.
- UI on the smaller 7" real estate is very good.
- Multitasking suspends your app
- Still needs SDK with developer frameworks and a rich app ecosystem, obviously
- Flash is nice to have but interaction with touch input is uber fail - Flash is clearly designed to be used with a mouse and the reason why they had to include a youtube app.

Overall, I think it has potential esp with the business crowd.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by Jmac

I don't need a lesson about QNX and I certainly don't need 5 lessons saying the same thing I already knew before you even said anything in this thread.

QNX needs updates and apps or it's going to get left in the dust ...

Actually, it appears you do need a lesson. You said WebOS was better than QNX and I corrected you. You can't seem to understand the difference between a kernel and layers (interfaces, apps) on top of the kernel. QNX is damn near perfect. The problems with the Playbook are not because of QNX, but because of the UI that's running on it.

I already said the Playbook has many flaws and was rushed to market before being ready. I guess reading comprehension > you.

[Jsunu]

Tried it out, the one MAJOR flaw for me is the fact that the power button is TINY and EXTREMELY hard to depress.

[goo3]

Given a stable os, how often do you need to turn it off? I haven't turned my macbook or iPhone off in ages. Maybe RIM's expecting users to just leave it on.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by dangonay

Actually, it appears you do need a lesson. You said WebOS was better than QNX and I corrected you. You can't seem to understand the difference between a kernel and layers (interfaces, apps) on top of the kernel. QNX is damn near perfect. The problems with the Playbook are not because of QNX, but because of the UI that's running on it.

I already said the Playbook has many flaws and was rushed to market before being ready. I guess reading comprehension > you.

Where did I say WebOS's kernel (which apparently is the only thing that matters) was better ? I said WebOS has more functionality and will be years ahead unless RIM fast-tracks updates that improve the functionality and features of QNX on the Playbook. Reading comprehension > you.

WebOS > QNX at the moment AS A WHOLE ... and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Again, what fucking good is a "damn near perfect" kernel if the system as a whole is completely fucking useless ?

[jeff19]

Originally Posted by Jsunu

Tried it out, the one MAJOR flaw for me is the fact that the power button is TINY and EXTREMELY hard to depress.

I found that to be a major flaw as well. the button as tiny as fuck, and the media controls next to it are pretty useless lol. I read that the device can be unlocked by sliding your finger horizontally across the whole screen though, so it might not be too annoying. Overall, the OS was quite fast and everything seemed to work well, especially the multitasking

[Jmac]

Downloading 3rd update in 5 days (1st on Monday before launch, 2nd on Tuesday evening).

Another 215 MB update ... Hopefully adds more functionality ...

On the plus side, my GF took some surprisingly great photos w/ the Playbook. Good cameras on it.

[z2two]

The 7" screen just kills it for me. The extra couple inches other tablets offer enrich the browsing experience so much more. I guess the small form factor is a selling point for some people. Not for me though.

[Gh0stRider]

played with the playbook today. what a piece of crap
who da fuck would buy that shit???

the lack of buttons is major. took a good 1-2 mins of swiping just to exit a program and get back to the home screen.

[k2_alpha]

^ahh you swipe up from the bottom.....
one swipe

[Gh0stRider]

Originally Posted by k2_alpha

^ahh you swipe up from the bottom.....
one swipe

took us a few thousand swipes in every direction to get it working.

I'd opt for the Galaxy tab/ipad over the playbook anyday

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by Gh0stRider

played with the playbook today. what a piece of crap
who da fuck would buy that shit???

the lack of buttons is major. took a good 1-2 mins of swiping just to exit a program and get back to the home screen.

RTFM, that's all I have to say. Once I did it became a lot easier to navigate.

You have to remember to start off-screen with the swipes.

[Kim Jong Un]

Originally Posted by Gh0stRider

took us a few thousand swipes in every direction to get it working.

I'd opt for the Galaxy tab/ipad over the playbook anyday

Good to know that playbook is idiot proof.

[Teh Doucher]

Originally Posted by Gh0stRider

took us a few thousand swipes in every direction to get it working.

I'd opt for the Galaxy tab/ipad over the playbook anyday

i was actually like that at first as well until i asked someone at futureshop to get to the fucking home screen. i dunno, if the bridge feature will work with bbm etc flawlessly, then i might get it. i wasnt to overly impressed with it.

now im just the average person here, not some power business type so this tablet may not be for me. i think the ipad is more of a fit for me, screen looked better, a ton more apps etc etc.

[Bender Unit]

CrackBerry anything without BBM is not going to sell period