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MindBomber · 01-13-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

isn't that pretty much what a cemetery is ? except they're already dead

its just as bad

I see where you can make the comparison, since the cemetery and a hospice are at the most maybe two weeks apart, but they're very different when you look below the surface.

A cemetery is a place where bodies are kept and people go to think about their loved ones; In a hospice patients and their families are given an opportunity to enjoy their last days together in comfort, removed from a stressful hospital setting.

The best way I could describe my hospice experience would be to say its both the happiest and saddest place I've ever been. They very deliberately lack any hit of death like a cemetery, despite being encompassed by it.

EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

it's not a hospital with revolving doors. It's 20 people. there will be a max staff of 5-10 people. people die everywhere all the time. Get over yourself.

ps: If you had teh ability to buy a 1million dollar condo, and from what it seems like be from mainland china, why the fuck wouldn't you send your kid to fucking stanford or any of the other schools in cali.

it doesn't matter how many people are in it ... its a house that project negative emotions...

it doesn't matter if people die all the time .. thats not the point. theres rape and violence everywhere too .. why do people specifically choose better neighborhoods to live in ?

and are you serious about your last statement?

EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MindBomber

I see where you can make the comparison, since the cemetery and a hospice are at the most maybe two weeks apart, but they're very different when you look below the surface.

A cemetery is a place where bodies are kept and people go to think about their loved ones; In a hospice patients and their families are given an opportunity to enjoy their last days together in comfort, removed from a stressful hospital setting.

The best way I could describe my hospice experience would be to say its both the happiest and saddest place I've ever been. They very deliberately lack any hit of death like a cemetery, despite being encompassed by it.

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

dinamix · 01-13-2011, 01:01 AM

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How is dying a negative emotion ? These people don't choose to have cancer or get a disease. It just happens . it's natural . It's a part of life.
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EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 01:04 AM

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How is dying a negative emotion ? These people don't choose to have cancer or get a disease. It just happens . it's natural . It's a part of life.
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so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?

Meowjin · 01-13-2011, 01:06 AM

I honestly think your just trolling now. This is university land. They can do whatever they want.

It doesn't matter if they paid $$$ for their property, because at the end of the day the hospice land either belongs to someone else, or to the Government of Canada/ubc. They can protest all they want, but if some immigrants arn't happy with a decision being done by the university, they can sell their million dollar condo's.

I can't understand how it's ok to buy near a hospital, and it brings the property value up for asian people, but if it's near a hospice they shit their pants?

MindBomber · 01-13-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

To be honest, I see why people would be uncomfortable with the idea of living next to a hospice initially, but you can't really judge until you've actually experienced one. It really is just like any other house with a strange aura surrounding it, but certainly not a negative one; it's something very special, unique.

After living next to one for awhile, I doubt you would even notice it was there, unlike a cemetery thats very out in the open and hard to forget. Especially if you live 20 floors above it.

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?

If your family member is in a hospice you've known they were dying for a very long time and you've overcome most of your grief, your just enjoying your last days with a person reminiscing.

dbaz · 01-13-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

so are you gonna be jolly if one of your family or friends drop dead tmr ?

would you prefer your loved one to be extremely depressed while confined to a single room in a hospital or in better emotional state at a hospice? not the greatest state for someone either way but knowing they were happier being in a hospice over stuck in a bed at a hospital makes a difference.

Lomac · 01-13-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

i can see how a hospice can be a place of harmony as well... but is that really something you want to come to ? especially when its a million dollar + house/apartment/condo?

ofcourse in the article its just not that ... they are worried about the property value and using the culture excuse more political pressure. but in truth, who really is 100% okay with it.

Who cares if it's next to a million dollar house? Like I said before, does that matter more than if it's next to a $300,000 one?

And while very few are "okay" with death (excepting, of course, Ulic lol), it's part of life. Everyone has to go through it. The largest portion of grief stems from unexpected death. Those who go through the hospice route are routinely happier than those who don't. And, yes, I have real life experience with hospices. Trust me, it's a far happier place than you make it out to be.

dinamix · 01-13-2011, 01:13 AM

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so are you?

Probably not.That's why there are hospices around to help with suffering and pain.

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dinamix · 01-13-2011, 01:13 AM

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EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 01:20 AM

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Who cares if it's next to a million dollar house? Like I said before, does that matter more than if it's next to a $300,000 one?

And while very few are "okay" with death (excepting, of course, Ulic lol), it's part of life. Everyone has to go through it. The largest portion of grief stems from unexpected death. Those who go through the hospice route are routinely happier than those who don't. And, yes, I have real life experience with hospices. Trust me, it's a far happier place than you make it out to be.

if the hospice was there already before the owners made the purchase then i would side with the you on this since they would have the choice to not move there.

But since the decision was made after ... i feel they are allowed to be pissed off about it.

i understand hospices brings happiness to a bad situation too, but is that really something you want in your neighborhood? in this case right out their window?

the difference between a 1 million dollar house and a 300,00 dollar one is probably just the difference of not having a negative environment. In this case, a hospice. I believe the home owners there have every right to be P.O

Mr.HappySilp · 01-13-2011, 01:23 AM

So will anyone purposely chose to live nest to a hospital or even a hospice or celemtery? I am sure 75% of the people won't unless they have no choice.

So pretty if a hospice is built than the value of those million apartment will drop since there will be less buyers/renters willingly to buy/rent it if they are given a choice.

As I said earlier I like to live in a nice quiet area so I would not be buying those apartments in UBC.

Whatever the reason is, it comes down to these people wanting to protect their investment and you can't blame them since a large portion of the population don't understand fully what hospice is and as soon as they hear Dead people goes there or really ill people that about to die live there, I am pretty sure most will think of it as negative right away.

MindBomber · 01-13-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

if the hospice was there already before the owners made the purchase then i would side with the you on this since they would have the choice to not move there.

But since the decision was made after ... i feel they are allowed to be pissed off about it.

They can be a bit annoyed if they want, but they should realize their own desires are far less important than the work done at a hospice.

I'd really like to see a poll of how many people on his forum would discount a serious real estate purchase, because a hospice was in the vicinity.

EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MindBomber

They can be a bit annoyed if they want, but they should realize their own desires are far less important than the work done at a hospice.

I'd really like to see a poll of how many people on his forum would discount a serious real estate purchase, because a hospice was in the vicinity.

they probably do understand the importance of hospice, but due to their culture and personal belief they can't handle the presence of one or any of that nature. they probably bought this 1 million dollar condo just to be away from it. Its not like they can't find a condo just as nice else where. Its the location which makes it 1 million+. So it does matter if the condo is 1million or 300k because thats the difference between the two, location.

xyz123 · 01-13-2011, 01:34 AM

Even though a Hospice may feel upsetting. From what I have briefly read about it, i find it very benificial especially when put in an University Campus. I mean, think about the opportunity students can experience. A University is a place for experiences and seeking higher knowledge. Yes, it's unfair that you pay 1 million dollars to have a comfortable place; but if you don't like it relocate or adapt, with a purchase of 1 million+ dollars surely you can afford to relocate to another part of the campus? I would think Hospices would benifit society because 1. It can potentially increase jobs, 2. Student's may now have the resources to become less ignorant on death and have extra knowledge of the subject of palliative care, 3. Patients will have actual care and will not burden the bigger society. And even more (unless my entire post is incorrect which then you should please enlighten me.)

EmperorIS · 01-13-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

I honestly think your just trolling now. This is university land. They can do whatever they want.

It doesn't matter if they paid $$$ for their property, because at the end of the day the hospice land either belongs to someone else, or to the Government of Canada/ubc. They can protest all they want, but if some immigrants arn't happy with a decision being done by the university, they can sell their million dollar condo's.

I can't understand how it's ok to buy near a hospital, and it brings the property value up for asian people, but if it's near a hospice they shit their pants?

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

Meowjin · 01-13-2011, 02:14 AM

What the fuck are you even rambling about?

why do you keep quoting asians?

And if you can't tell what culture I am just from my avatar, then you have issues.

BNR32_Coupe · 01-13-2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

i want to quote this in my signature but it's too much. couldn't agree more with emporerIS

majin, youre being intolerant than actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a say in this situation!! majin, you imbecile!! when something brings up value is positive then it's okay but when doesnt its not okay? think about that one for a sec, and give US your best reply

SkinnyPupp · 01-13-2011, 04:59 AM

The way I see it is, it's not like they are building an airport next to the condo. If you have some issues, whether it's superstitions, religion, or "culture" that makes you intolerant to normal everyday things, that's your problem, not anyone else's.

Vansterdam · 01-13-2011, 05:57 AM

Mr.C · 01-13-2011, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorIS

since when does property goes up when its near a hospital ?
do you even know what the fuck you are talking about ?
your posts sounds more like you're intolerant to immigrant's cultures and beliefs then actually making an argument rather or not these home owners have a right to have a say or not in this situation

and are you too dumb to understand why if something brings up value its okay for "asian" people and when it doesn't its not okay?

hmmm i dunno ... maybe because if it brings up value there must be something positive about that particular environment? therefore, it brings up value? and when something brings down value its usually something negative?

i don't know what particular culture/race your from... but when something is positive "Asians" tends to like it.

Please don't bunch all immigrants together. Seriously, don't go there. I HATE it when people say this shit. It's like using the race card. Soooo annoying.

It is still my opinion that, if you have a million bucks to drop on an overpriced condo, and you don't like what's being built next to it, sell it. I mean, you're already rich, you take a 20-30k loss, good for you, you'r not living next to an evil place. Or something. Would be worse if there was a crack shack next to the apartment.

Edit: All of the examples you have given are things that *may* devalue a property. I've never heard of hospices devaluing properties. Heck, even a quick google search doesn't bring anything up. I'd have to ask some realtors about that one.

Ferra · 01-13-2011, 07:12 AM

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How is dying a negative emotion ? These people don't choose to have cancer or get a disease. It just happens . it's natural . It's a part of life.
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Are you going to feel all happy and excited if a close family member of yours is dying??? The emotion is very tense and negative when someone close to you is about to pass away...

and people get affected by their surroundings...(ever work with a pessimistic colleague?) You might sympathize them, but honestly, no one "wants" to spend 7 days a week around a group of grieving people.

Plus I am pretty sure it would affect the resale value of the house. In most asia countries, a condo that faces a graveyard lose 50% of its value. (even if the graveyard is a few kilometers away)
and even if you have no problem with having a hospice next to your door, I am sure you wouldn't want to lose 100-200k over your house resale value because of that.

Mr.C · 01-13-2011, 07:25 AM

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Are you going to feel all happy and excited if a close family member of yours is dying??? The emotion is very tense and negative when someone close to you is about to pass away...

and people get affected by their surroundings...(ever work with a pessimistic colleague?) You might sympathize them, but honestly, no one "wants" to spend 7 days a week around a group of grieving people.

Plus I am pretty sure it would affect the resale value of the house. In most asia countries, a condo that faces a graveyard lose 50% of its value. (even if the graveyard is a few kilometers away)
and even if you have no problem with having a hospice next to your door, I am sure you wouldn't want to lose 100-200k over your house resale value because of that.

I guess it's a damn good thing they aren't in Asia, then. Put the condo on the market and see what happens.

I mean, come on guys, if you want to argue, argue related to the country you're in. Who cares what property prices are in Asia? You're not in Asia! It's like me saying 'I wouldn't buy a house near a hill because where I came from, hills are considered dangerous (due to slums, drug dealers, etc).' Very relevant to the discussion at hand.

Jsunu · 01-13-2011, 07:44 AM

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Okay, so I did a bit of research about hospices "devaluing" properties and came to one conclusion: There have been very, very few instances of this actually happening, and only because it was part of other construction projects in the vicinity that blocked views, etc.

Is there any empirical data that indicates that a hospice near housing drops property value in anyway? It seems like the argument for homeowners is based on the fact that the hospice with directly affect their property values, which may not be the case here.

Just I hope this protest won't discourage future hospice projects in the future.