Ghosts scare UBC asians

[Blue_StreakR]

Complaining about a hospice?? Tell them to go and fcuk themselves.

Give me a damn break.

I have heard of people complaining about Skytrain stations, Foster Homes, Prisons, etc, but a Hospice??

What a joke.

[observer]

Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. No need to drag race into it to sensationalize.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Same thing is going to happen to those 1+million apartment if a hospice is built next to it. It will decrease its value and reduce its market since a large number of people will not or do not want to live near a hospice. So either the apartment will be sold as a lower price or it will take longer to sell.

Now you're just generalizing that most Chinese people are superstitious. I don't know whether or not this is true. If it is then you have a valid argument. But that doesn't change the fact that it's unfair to shovel off zoning applications like these to other cultural communities. How multicultural is that? Does this sound multicultural to you:

tour guide: "and over here to your right we have st. Johns hospice being built in yaletown. Here's a fun fact: it was originally going to be developed next to a Chinese community but because vancouver prides itself on being strongly multicultural, developers relocated it in this largely Caucasian community. Future plans for hospitals, police departments, cemetaries, and white spot restaurants will be located in Caucasian communities, leaving the parks, universities, Olympic venues, and libraries to the Chinese"

now that I think about it this kind of action would be good for increasing local GDP through foreign investment.
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[Blue_StreakR]

Originally Posted by observer

Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. Dragging the race card into it to sensationalize.

Agreed. It is just taking the whole "Not in my own backyard" to a whole new level. What is it going to be next??

People won't want Hospitals built next to them? Cancer Research Facilities?

I have no respect for these selfish money hungry fools that are complaining.

[MindBomber]

There are people in Vancouver other than superstitious Asians who buy condos!

Just because certain Asians might to not want to purchase in the building doesn't mean the units are unsellable!

People looking to buy at UBC aren't expecting typical sub-urban neighbors!

*sigh*... why can't people just be logical about this and stop pulling the race card.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by observer

Typical trashy news reporting
Asian or not has nothing to do with objecting the project. Dragging the race card into it to sensationalize.

"Trashy news reporting" or not, the tenants brought it upon themselves by claiming their superstitions as a Chinese tradition/culture. They pulled the race card, not the media. The tenants could have labelled their superstitions as a personal thing, but they decided to generalize and associate it with their ethnicity and in that case, of course, the media would be more than happy to make a story about it.

There are certain stereotypes out there already about certain Chinese, such as being bad drivers, having poor hygiene, being loud and rude etc.
Now here's another one; personal profit and superstition >>>> consideration and understanding for the public. It's not like this value was unknown before this story, but now more people know about it.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Don't put words into my mouth. Several of my coworkers who are of a certain ethnicity would not choose to live there because of their cultural backgrounds.

I did not say "a lot of my friends". The number of people involved in this discussion was five, including me. These people are not necessarily representative of all Korean people. When you think of "limiting the market", you need to think of what the market was before. Saying that having an apartment facing a bad direction limits the market implies that developers shouldn't build apartments facing in certain directions (regardless of view) simply because "the market will be limited and the price will go down."

Superstitious asians are not the be-all-end-all of investors. I was talking with my mom and she made a very interesting, very valid point: "Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"
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[Gunsmokez]

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

[Blue_StreakR]

Originally Posted by Gunsmokez

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

Poor little people....

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by Gunsmokez

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

The buildings at fucking UBC!

Not a residential area where they could expect to be surrounded with family homes, they should have looked at the zoning and realized that research buildings may have been built next door before they bought. They didn't do there do diligence, so to fucking bad.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

The buildings at fucking UBC!

Not a residential area where they could expect to be surrounded with family homes, they should have looked at the zoning and realized that research buildings may have been built next door before they bought. They didn't do there do diligence, so to fucking bad.

They should put a health sciences building beside it, where medical students get to practice on cadavers.

Besides, if they believe in the Vancouver real estate market, that it never goes down, that it is different here - they should believe it'll sell for a profit in a bidding war, hospice or not.

To be clear, I do not think it is different here. I think housing will correct, how much I do not know. Yet when it corrects, factors like living next to a hospice will mean the property stays on the market longer and sells for less. Buyers may not care that it is beside a hospice, yet will use that to negotiate the price down.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

Don't put words into my mouth. Several of my coworkers who are of a certain ethnicity would not choose to live there because of their cultural backgrounds.

I did not say "a lot of my friends". The number of people involved in this discussion was five, including me. These people are not necessarily representative of all Korean people. When you think of "limiting the market", you need to think of what the market was before. Saying that having an apartment facing a bad direction limits the market implies that developers shouldn't build apartments facing in certain directions (regardless of view) simply because "the market will be limited and the price will go down."

Superstitious asians are not the be-all-end-all of investors. I was talking with my mom and she made a very interesting, very valid point: "Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"
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That still means there are people who will not buy apartments facing bad directions. Doesn't matter if it is one of your friends or all 5 of you say that. There is still someone that suggest this. Same thing what's happening now. There will be people who will chose not to buy these apartments coz a hospice is next to it. Is not just Aisan that feel that way other nationals do feel this way as well.

Less people want to buy these apartments = less market since less people will be looking for these apartments = apartments value goes down or takes a lot longer to sell.

And yes I did invest in a few apartments myself and I did not even look at units that faces bad directions even when they are cheaper. Just go to any new showings and most of apartments with good views will be sold first. Why do you think that? O WAIT PEOPLE DON'T CARE! THEY JUST LIKE TO THROW MONEY AWAY

If people don't care then how come there are the good areas and bad areas within a single district?

[StylinRed]

there are limitless reasons to buy and not to buy you can make an argument for anything...

the point of the matter is does their argument make sense? superstitious nonsense? no sorry that doesn't fly

is calling their superstitions nonsense an affront to chinese culture? No because a sizable portion of that culture is saying the same thing and superstitions aren't inherent to a specific culture

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

There are people in Vancouver other than superstitious Asians who buy condos!

Just because certain Asians might to not want to purchase in the building doesn't mean the units are unsellable!

People looking to buy at UBC aren't expecting typical sub-urban neighbors!

*sigh*... why can't people just be logical about this and stop pulling the race card.

Look at me! I need to write larger to get my point across better!


Anyway, this thread has sparked a lot of discussion. Personally I think the government should step in regarding this matter. There's no way we can cater to every single cultural nuance. I just glad the Indian's aren't giving ppl shit for having a butcher shop of cow parts down the road from where they live.

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

That still means there are people who will not buy apartments facing bad directions. Doesn't matter if it is one of your friends or all 5 of you say that. There is still someone that suggest this. Same thing what's happening now. There will be people who will chose not to buy these apartments coz a hospice is next to it. Is not just Aisan that feel that way other nationals do feel this way as well.

Less people want to buy these apartments = less market since less people will be looking for these apartments = apartments value goes down or takes a lot longer to sell.

And yes I did invest in a few apartments myself and I did not even look at units that faces bad directions even when they are cheaper. Just go to any new showings and most of apartments with good views will be sold first. Why do you think that? O WAIT PEOPLE DON'T CARE! THEY JUST LIKE TO THROW MONEY AWAY

If people don't care then how come there are the good areas and bad areas within a single district?

Okay, so I've talked with three real estate friends who deal in different markets and cities (Langley, Vancouver and Richmond). Guess what they all had to say and were able to back up with hard proof? Hospices haven't affected resale values!

Gasp! Say it ain't so!

The only slight deviation came from Richmond (surprise surprise) and that was only due to a slightly decreased viewing audience, though the houses and condos in the area still sold for at or above the market value.



Hrm... I wonder if I can get away with using black cats living in the neighbourhood as an excuse for lowballing when buying a house...

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Look at me! I need to write larger to get my point across better!


Anyway, this thread has sparked a lot of discussion. Personally I think the government should step in regarding this matter. There's no way we can cater to every single cultural nuance. I just glad the Indian's aren't giving ppl shit for having a butcher shop of cow parts down the road from where they live.

I was hesitant about the larger font, since generally its used by people incapable of presenting a persuasive argument in a regular font. The reason why I did use it is because the same point has been made by ten different people in this thread and people keep coming back with the exact same response, its unsellable now and their investment is ruined, but its absolutely not.

The font was more an expression of my frustration with the stubborn ignorance of certain people than anything, at least thats the way it was meant.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by taylor192

They should put a health sciences building beside it, where medical students get to practice on cadavers.

People realize this is a both a functioning hospice and palliative care research facility right?

[observer]

Originally Posted by Spectre_Cdn

There are certain stereotypes out there already about certain Chinese, such as being bad drivers, having poor hygiene, being loud and rude etc.

Now here's another one; personal profit and superstition >>>> consideration and understanding for the public. It's not like this value was unknown before this story, but now more people know about it.

I agree the mainland Chinese kind of brought it to themselves, but knowing their limited familiarity of western culture, I can see why the new immigrants behave the way they do. But at the end of the day, it's their money, their community, who am I to judge if they want to make noise.

They certainly don't annoy me as much as the Falun Gong clowns a few years ago on Granville protesting over the biggest superstitious scam.

I suppose superstition is universal, here we have astrology, numerology, Talbot cards (and various religions depending on your fancy). Of course, if you are an unlucky American living in the Bible belt, you may even be exposed to extremists such as creationism.

Superstition is certainly not an Asian monopoly and neither is the drive for personal profit. Funny enough a few decades ago most Chinese fell for the preaching of Mao and believed in Marxism.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by observer

They certainly don't annoy me as much as the Falun Gong clowns a few years ago on Granville protesting over the biggest superstitious scam.

Superstition is certainly not an Asian monopoly and neither is the drive for personal profit. Funny enough a few decades ago most Chinese fell for the preaching of Mao and believed in Marxism.

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falun gong were protesting over getting slaughtered and harvested for organs (documented)


The people believed in Mao for standing up and getting rid of the bloodsuckers (who ran off to taiwan) Maosim didnt really have the backing of the country and there was Deng and Liu half assing it cuz they didnt support it....

wtf are u on? let me know

[goo3]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

"Making this whole point was not very smart of them. Now, anyone who was thinking of buying but thought it was too expensive will now put in lowball offers because 'none of these people want to live next to hospices, so they'll sell for cheap.'"

What makes you think they're smart to begin with? Expecting sympathy from the horror of living next to ghosts should tell you enough about the how ignorant they are of mainstream attitudes.

Originally Posted by StylinRed

ahh but see you're already drawing lines of who you believe are fobs and who you believe arent.. you've decided the fobs want to be open minded (as long as the open mindedness is in their pov) and those who aren't fobs are those who are against the high-rise crybabies

I'm trying to filter through the bad english and bad examples (whorehouse, oil rigs ) to let you know they have a point to make and you should give them an honest listen because they have a unique pov that you may not have considered before.

They're trying to tell you what it feels like for traditional-minded folk to live next to dying ppl. Instead, everybody wants to focus on the technicalities of comparing these things to a hospice. The reality is, these ppl do exist.

For us: hospice = canuck place = good thing
For them: hospice = death = oil rig

I dont' know if quoting from wiki helps, but here:

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
...
However, even educated people, well aware of the process by which beliefs form, still strongly cling to their beliefs, and act on those beliefs even against their own self-interest.

Maybe if we can get past this i'm right, you're wrong deal, we can build this thing at UBC without resorting to GTFO, STFU cuz, you know, we can do better.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

I was hesitant about the larger font, since generally its used by people incapable of presenting a persuasive argument in a regular font.

Don't forget to add to that ppl who make a shit ton of posts and keep arguing nonstop.

[observer]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

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falun gong were protesting over getting slaughtered and harvested for organs (documented)

The people believed in Mao for standing up and getting rid of the bloodsuckers (who ran off to taiwan) Maosim didnt really have the backing of the country and there was Deng and Liu half assing it cuz they didnt support it....

wtf are u on? let me know

You are right about KMT being the bloodsuckers back in the day. And to be fair, Deng completely abandoned what Mao started. I think it's not so much about the backing of the people, but rather, bad policies by Mao.

I suspect organ harvest is not the exclusive rights of Falun Gong, sadly. I fear the corrupted will always sell organs of criminals, or even innocent victims.

What am I on, all I know is that the leader of Falun Gong, Mr. Li claims that all homosexuals are evil (which is the reason why the City of SF retracted from nominating him for a Nobel Peace prize), and let's see, what else about Li, didn't he say that he can fly (only in private, not private jets but defying gravity), and that he knows there is a 2 billion years old nuclear reactor in Africa. These are well documented just look it up.

The followers sadly truly believed that Li is a saint hence the crazy fascination.

Just because the Chinese opposes something doesn't make it good by default. Falun Gong will always be a stupid superstition in my eyes, regardless how unreasonably the Chinese went after them (that's another wrong, but doesn't make the former legitimized).

The solution to all this BS is to encourage the younger generation to study more science and not believe in the supernatural (fortune telling, astrology, you name it).

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by Gunsmokez

Graveyards, hospice, funeral homes do have do have a negative impact on property one way or another. Everyone wants to live in a perfect neighbor hood especially when you are shelling out a million bucks for less then 1000 square feet of living space!

SO all the people saying those ASIANS should get over it lol. Why don't you buy their condo's for a million bucks and live next to the hospice. Easier said then done.

let me get this straight. you're comparing this:









with this:







and this...

(NSF caucasians)

Spoiler!

of course it'll lower property value! i mean look at those first 3 pics.. they're OBVIOUSLY hospices

[RevYouUp]

I'm pretty sure it will affect resale values, I mean even the effing address number affects the value of a house

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

study done by UBC btw

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Lomac

Okay, so I've talked with three real estate friends who deal in different markets and cities (Langley, Vancouver and Richmond). Guess what they all had to say and were able to back up with hard proof? Hospices haven't affected resale values!

Gasp! Say it ain't so!

The only slight deviation came from Richmond (surprise surprise) and that was only due to a slightly decreased viewing audience, though the houses and condos in the area still sold for at or above the market value.



Hrm... I wonder if I can get away with using black cats living in the neighbourhood as an excuse for lowballing when buying a house...

I can also easily find agents that say it will affect the resell value of the apartments. Just coz 3 agents said it won't affect the value doesn't mean 100% of every agent in van will say the same thing and it certainly doesn't not mean 100% of the population who is looking for an apartment will not think living besdie a Hospices is ok and they don't care about it.