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Mr.HappySilp · 01-13-2011, 08:16 AM

The hospice wasn't built when the 1+million apartments were built, it wasn't mention or discuss among those people who bought the apartments. ubc JUST SAID "o btw we are building a hospice next to your 1million apartment."

Did they even do any research about how it will affect the locals, the resell vaule of the business or apartments near the hospice, the impact it will have on the people living there, traffic, parking..........

Like I said who will purposely buy a house/aparmtnet next or very close to a hospice, police station, fire station, hospital....... fully knowing they can buy elesewhere. People who are buying/renting these 1million apartment do have a choice and I am sure if a hospice is to built there it will no doubt affect the resell value and also the renteal value of these apartments.

melloman · 01-13-2011, 08:19 AM

A hospice is a good idea. You bought your $1M+ condo and now you have a hospice next to it, no different from the government deciding to build a "safe injection site" next to your house, or a power substation. Life sucks and just cause of your "culture" you believe that you should have a right to try and fuck with the system. Toughen up and sell your condo, move like 3 blocks away, shit it aint hard.

Mr.HappySilp · 01-13-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by melloman

A hospice is a good idea. You bought your $1M+ condo and now you have a hospice next to it, no different from the government deciding to build a "safe injection site" next to your house, or a power substation. Life sucks and just cause of your "culture" you believe that you should have a right to try and fuck with the system. Toughen up and sell your condo, move like 3 blocks away, shit it aint hard.

Yea I am sure you won't complain with the value of your 1+million apartment's value is going to drop by 15 to 20% cause of this. No one is sure weather it will drop or raise the price but most likely one would assume it would drop the resell value for sure.

I am not real estate expert but I am sure some of the people here are and can provide some info?

Ferra · 01-13-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

I guess it's a damn good thing they aren't in Asia, then. Put the condo on the market and see what happens.

I mean, come on guys, if you want to argue, argue related to the country you're in. Who cares what property prices are in Asia? You're not in Asia! It's like me saying 'I wouldn't buy a house near a hill because where I came from, hills are considered dangerous (due to slums, drug dealers, etc).' Very relevant to the discussion at hand.

i don't think this is all just asian cultures....no one regardless of their cultures or races like to live near a place associated with death, grieve and sadness.
I am sure the effect on resale value is not as drastic as in Asia countries, but losing 10-15% is still very likely in this case.
a friend of mine in toronto has his house devalued by more than 10% when they decided to build a cemetery 2 blocks from his place...and he lives in a neighborhood with VERY little asian ppl

no_clue · 01-13-2011, 09:18 AM

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.

unit · 01-13-2011, 09:22 AM

i would have initial mixed feelings about it, but i wouldnt go so far as to try to keep it from being built. hospices have a right to exist, if not by one persons house, then maybe next to someone elses. same thing in the end its just a fact of life. lots of ignorance in this thread.

El Bastardo · 01-13-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by no_clue

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.

A big loud ambulance shows up and leaves its sirens on while being parked in the middle of the street. Then a fire truck shows up and sprays the streets with water, just because. They have their sirens on too. Soon, the police show up and shoot their guns in the air in celebration of the person's life and their death. Of course the police have a crackhead in the back of the car so the crackhead escapes and runs free in the neighbourhood.

A few minutes later a funeral procession shows up. Its like a second line. Crying and sobbing people yell and drop tissues into the street, those tissues clogging the sewers and then the sewer overflows into the road creating pools of human waste and tears.

Soon the people in the street develop hepatitis, leprousy, and HIV. Those people are moved into the hospice and then soon the hospice is over capacity. Eventually the government appropriates nearby condos to act as hospices and people have their property literally seized from under them so people can die in the place where they once lived.

Eventually the ghosts rise from the graveyard which will eventually have to be built on the same block and scoot around the street like misty morning fog, their moans a horrible reminder of what happens when we allow our sick and dying to have a dignified place to pass away.

All because there was a hospice in the neighbourhood.

murd0c · 01-13-2011, 09:54 AM

I haven't read all of the 5 pages but I think the people's complaints are complete BS. Just because the beliefs from their culture make them believe in ghosts what makes them think they have a right you freak out because of that? This is Canada which respect's all cultures and even tho you have your own beliefs we have rights as well and it piss's me off that every single day we have to oblige to everything they say because they live next door or we do things differently compared to the country's they came from. Like it was said it's better then a Half way house and how could you even compare it to the safe injection site.

I know if I was dieing I would want to be in a nice peaceful area for my last days. Most of these people can not help this and I kind of find it sick that it's such a big deal. Honestly if they don't like it move it's only going to be 15 bed's not a high rise building with hundreds of people.

Like I said I have no problems with other cultures but FUCK OFF already let the dieing people have their peace. Not only that people die all the times so if one person die's in a building will everyone freak out? Fuck that it's a joke and I'm highly pissed off about it. It's selfish and a fucken joke and if you agree with them you are part of the problem as well. This is a FREE COUNTRY and everyone has rights not just you or them!!!

MindBomber · 01-13-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by no_clue

What happens when a person inside a Hospice dies?
Does an ambulance or a hearse come pick up the body?
If so, it would ruin the atmosphere of the neighbourhood, seeing people cry all the time on the streets while bodies get loaded onto the cars.

A discrete van comes to pick up the body, you would never even know. People aren't standing in the streets balling their eyes out, screaming that someone died, get real and be fucking reasonable.

SchoolGlue · 01-13-2011, 10:20 AM

Lets try to remember ubc is a place of learning not a family community for you to enjoy. The folks that bought these condos obviously are seeking to be a well educated atmosphere hence this hospice is clearly part of the learning community. If you dont want it too bad and move out friend. I go to UBC and the folks, those yuppies, that just live here piss me off. =(

dinamix · 01-13-2011, 10:25 AM

i got these quotes from the canucks forums..some are true and some made me laugh

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I believe in the Loch Ness Monster. Not having a Loch Ness Monster near my house decreases my property values as other Loch Ness Monster believers will not be in the market for my house. I am going to protest until the government builds me a lake with a Loch Ness Monster in it.

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Wow, I'm shaking with rage. Shaking.

We're talking about real people, who are dealing with the very difficult process of coming to terms with their own mortality. We're talking about their loved ones, who have to accept the idea that their wives or husbands or brothers or sisters or parents or grandparents won't be around anymore. I agree, being around death sucks.

Know what sucks more? Having strangers say it's inconvenient that your loved one is dying next door, could he please have the courtesy of dying somewhere else?

Oh, I'm sorry my grandfather's terminal illness might BRING YOU BAD LUCK.

Complaining about it is just the most insensitive, bull-headed, ridiculous thing I can'tevenfinishthissentenceimsomad

"It's like you open your door and you step into a graveyard." Well, I'm sure the people whose loved ones are living there LOVE to hear that. "Your neighbors hate you because you're going to die. It lowers their property value, because you're essentially living in a graveyard. This is your room, hope you enjoy it. Do you think you'll be kicking it in the next three months? We are SO overbooked."

GOD I hate people.

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Superstitions are like stereotypes.

They are the vestiges of rules of thumb of the past.

Maybe it made sense not to want dying people around when the cause mIght be plague. That isn't the issue here. Our knowledge has surpassed that need to think like that.

I don't expect decisions to be made by this type of thought process anymore than I judge another Canadian on their race, gender, sexuality or country of origin.

We are past this type of thing in our society. These citizens need to catch up with the rest of us.

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Better not live next to any busy intersections cause eventually someones gonna die there....

This whole story is ridiculous. Maybe they should worry less about their property values and more about other people. How about seeing it as an opportunity to benefit the community by volunteering their time at the hospice.

dimdiu · 01-13-2011, 10:46 AM

why are you guys even arguing about this. This is just like someone bring up a top "Which one came first, chicken or egg?" There's no answer to it. Obviously some do agree and some don't. Why do ppl like to force others to think what they think is right?? I can't blame the owners protesting having a hospice built right beside them but having a $1mil house doesn't really have anything to do with the argument. So what they can afford their $1 mil house, they did work hard for it, or if they do illegal shit to make those kind of money, they still risk their life for it. The fact is having a hospice built right beside your building with no prior notice about it and you know nothing about it when you first bought your condo. Who the fuck wants that?

Let's forget about building a hospice, what if some random ppl just came by one day and build a mcdick right beside you? Some would say "hey that's good, can pick up some food on way home from work" but some would say "fuck now i have random teenagers hanging around and all these traffics" There's no correct answer to is it right or wrong to build something there. These owners are protesting a) they dun want a hospice build next to them due to superstition (no comment on that) and i think most importantly it's b) an unknown project that had taken place right beside their building that would have a huge impact on their resale value.

Hell, I dun want that. Let's admit it, we are all greedy at some point, who wants their hard earned cash going to waste just because some dude decided to build a building that would lower the resale value of one's building.

Just because they are all asians, it doesn't mean $1 mil doesn't mean a thing to them

Tapioca · 01-13-2011, 11:04 AM

This is what will happen:

The homeowners will continue to protest and hire some lawyers to see if there's some sort of legal remedy. UBC, with its own legal team, will basically dismiss anything because I'm sure there's language in the purhcase agreement which permits UBC to build things like hospices. The homeowners may try to sue, but of course UBC with its larger resources will win.

The homeowners will then sell their units and within a year, they will be snatched up by new owners/investors. Case closed.

StylinRed · 01-13-2011, 11:21 AM

hmm just look at all the places selling those paper products to burn for the dead or all those little temples creamation places etc etc in hong kong right under next to their million dollar apartments people deal with it.

this is just more bs asian posturing trying to pressure the community to get things how they want it because they feel their numbers are growing and so their clout is great see it ALLLL the fucking time

Mancini · 01-13-2011, 11:46 AM

Their own death must be a particularly terrible experience. Or that of a loved one.

I wouldn't mind living next to a hospice. As long as the hearse has a quiet muffler.

hk20000 · 01-13-2011, 11:46 AM

the business men have it crooked.

UBC is short for University of Bitching Chinese.

El Bastardo · 01-13-2011, 11:48 AM

Serious question:

How are the terminally ill treated in Asia? Help me understand why a hospice is a huge problem here...

AWDTurboLuvr · 01-13-2011, 11:50 AM

I've lived near the hospice in Richmond growing up and honestly, you'd never notice it was there. Our property values didn't go down because we lived near it and we certainly didn't have any problems selling our land either.

So while you can claim that the hospice will clash against your own cultural beliefs, please don't go off spouting that it will automatically make your million dollar condo lose 25% of it's value. The area around VGH doesn't have depressed land values. It's not like they built a concrete wall in front of your living room window and blocked your view.

PiuYi · 01-13-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

Serious question:

How are the terminally ill treated in Asia? Help me understand why a hospice is a huge problem here...

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen

correct me if i'm wrong people

PiuYi · 01-13-2011, 12:06 PM

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they're using culture as an excuse not to have it in their backyard.

we can agree that people of any race wouldn't like seeing terminally ill walking around their backyard, right? well then only chinese people get to have the right to a hospice-free backyard, since the ying-yang clash thing exists. what about the natives with their 1 million dollar condos? or the Peruvians?

absolutely not, I think people of every race have the right to protest this, thats why it'll be interesting to see what neighbourhood they put this in

as much as people may disagree with the beliefs of these people, this is Canada where multiculturalism rules and different beliefs are always respected, which is why they somewhat have a case here...

but doubt plans will change, cuz like Tapioca above said, UBC probably has every right to build what they want on their land and won't back down easily

adambomb · 01-13-2011, 12:08 PM

I just realized the building developers and real estate agents suckered all those asians into buying into that building because they gave it the address...

26 88 West Mall.

I guess that builidng doesn't have any "good luck". Looks like there's a hospice going in nextdoor and there is no support from the community over their "issue"

MindBomber · 01-13-2011, 12:11 PM

The issue with locating hospices in rural isolated areas, whether it be to provide the patients with peace and tranquility or to protect people from superstitions is that it forces grieving family and friends to travel significantly longer distances to visit their loved ones at a very difficult time.

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Originally Posted by PiuYi

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen

correct me if i'm wrong people

AWDTurboLuvr · 01-13-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PiuYi

i believe there ARE hospices in places like HK but they're located in more pleasant places like the outskirts of the city where there's views of mountains/sea/forests rather than the dense polluted concrete jungle that is the city where most people live, thats why this generally isn't a problem in HK and people there all have the same beliefs (even the ones using the hospice) so clashes like this generally won't happen

You know of an area near forests, away from the city and with views of the sea in Vancouver? UBC.

Meowjin · 01-13-2011, 12:43 PM

You know what I'm gonna think in reverse. Why would they build a hospice next to a place of negative emotion a place next to supersiticious ignorant fucks?
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dachinesedude · 01-13-2011, 01:08 PM

lets say you buy a condo mainly for its view of fraser river, but then some developers build a tower right out your window, now blocking your view of it. will you be pissed? same idea here

and why is this even a debate, if they are gonna complain let them complain, who the fuck cares, people will always be complaining about something, some of you are giving the idea that only asians complain, oh please...