Ghosts scare UBC asians

[Culverin]

Originally Posted by adambomb

I just realized the building developers and real estate agents suckered all those asians into buying into that building because they gave it the address...

26 88 West Mall.


I guess that builidng doesn't have any "good luck". Looks like there's a hospice going in nextdoor and there is no support from the community over their "issue"

I'm siding with UBC on this one.
With the size of their legal department and all their previous contracts, I'm sure they've got it covered that they can do whatever they want to the land.


Just out of spite, UBC should change it to "2 4 88 West Mall".

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

absolutely not, I think people of every race have the right to protest this, thats why it'll be interesting to see what neighbourhood they put this in

as much as people may disagree with the beliefs of these people, this is Canada where multiculturalism rules and different beliefs are always respected, which is why they somewhat have a case here...

but doubt plans will change, cuz like Tapioca above said, UBC probably has every right to build what they want on their land and won't back down easily

i'm not a cultural expert, but i can name a few cultures that don't view mixing death and life as a negative thing. eg, canadian culture - although relatively new, afaik, there's nothing about the canadian culture that views this as a superstitiously negative thing. therefore, going by the condo owners logic, we should relocate the hospice next to a bunch of 'white' (canadians) people because they're okay with it. in fact, relocate everything the chinese aren't okay with next to 'white' people, except the convenient amenities

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Culverin

Just out of spite, UBC should change it to "2 4 88 West Mall".

How about numbering the hospice 2888 West Mall.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe

i'm not a cultural expert, but i can name a few cultures that don't view mixing death and life as a negative thing. eg, canadian culture - although relatively new, afaik, there's nothing about the canadian culture that views this as a superstitiously negative thing. therefore, going by the condo owners logic, we should relocate the hospice next to a bunch of 'white' (canadians) people because they're okay with it. in fact, relocate everything the chinese aren't okay with next to 'white' people, except the convenient amenities

Why don't we just relocate the Chinese and take their property? Canada did this in the past to the Japanese...

Too far?

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by dachinesedude

lets say you buy a condo mainly for its view of fraser river, but then some developers build a tower right out your window, now blocking your view of it. will you be pissed? same idea here

First of all, if I were purchasing oceanfront property, I would check the zoning and land holdings to make sure that any land in front of me could not be built on or was owned by another developer to ensure that my views would be maintained. Anyone purchasing property should do their due dilligence. I'm sorry, but the owners should have looked into this before they purchased their property.

Second, the owners are not complaining about something "neutral" like noise or view obstructions; they are complaining about something which violates their culture. If the hospice really bothers them that much, they should just cut their losses and sell. I think they'll be pleasantly surprised that their property values are not as tied to the hospice as they might think.

I'm not a lawyer, but I know that in my line of work (which is largely tied to the legalities surrounding compensation), there is next to no legal precedent on compensating for violations of culture. In my view, these people are SOL.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Why don't we just relocate the Chinese and take their property? Canada did this in the past to the Japanese...

Too far?

[dat_steve]

doesn't all that land technically still belong to the native community in that area??

[deep87]

from reddit, qft;

Point by point:

* The condo owners bought real estate in a highly speculative investment market (being Vancouver. Point is they could have very comfortably bought in a non-speculative market and lived just as easily.)
* Along with the many other risks of owning land, these owners get hit with both undesirable neighbours and potential loss of value (or at least stunted land value growth) given the local developments around their property.
* The zoning laws and development permits allowed for such things as a hospice to be built next door, and the time to act/contest on said development permits has long passed (the place is doing open houses, obviously they aren't in the phase of applying for building permits still..)
* It could be argued that it is the condo owner's responsibility to protect their investment (proactively.) NOT the city. Especially in a speculative growth market like Vancouver.
* The condo owners missed the boat on acting before the hospice was approved for construction (which is no one else but the owners fault.)
* The condo owners have no other option, so they pull the race/culture card to gain media attention in hopes to protect their investment.
* In our society, it's not politically correct to discredit the race/culture card.
* In our society, headlines and stories that feature the race/culture card tend to sell newspapers or attract broadcast listeners.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

hmm just look at all the places selling those paper products to burn for the dead or all those little temples creamation places etc etc in hong kong right under next to their million dollar apartments people deal with it.

this is just more bs asian posturing trying to pressure the community to get things how they want it because they feel their numbers are growing and so their clout is great see it ALLLL the fucking time

Those "Places selling the paper products" etc are just Stores. There is no mourning in these places.
Crematoriums are located in the outskirts of the cities, or in less populated areas, like Industrial areas.
Grave Yards/Temples Outskirts of the city. Usually on the Mountains.

But people WILL complain if you burn incense or offerings inside an apartment lobby, or near the door. Even if the person died there.


Oh hey, here's an idea.
Instead of having a Hospice where people go to die, why don't they just die... at home? with thier family? Like Asian people do?

Oh wait. People don't want a loved one dying inside thier home. It'll remind them of death. Let's have a building where people go to die, and not expect any complaints.

I lived next to a Hospice in the Old House before we moved as a kid.
It's not as "Peaceful" as the rest of you think. Maybe it was just bad luck, but every 2-3 weeks, there would be a flood of people coming in to escort the person to the funeral Home. Or you would see a family member outside crying when they weren't able to control thier emoions inside.

Sure, it's suppose to be a "peaceful" place to die, but when you see these family members in such a state, it's depressing.

My Parents weren't fond of the idea of living next to one, but we moved after 4 years since it wasn't a good place for kids to grow up, seeing a place associated with death all the time.

Imagine having kids, aged 4 and 7, outside playing in the yard. Seeing a Hearse pulling in, and a Coffin being brought into it with a row of Pallbearers, once a month, then wondering where one of the "people from the house" went.

Volunteering at a Hospice is one thing.
Living next to one is another.

[Nocardia]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

I'm working on an assignment at the moment, so I don't have time to research this myself, I shouldn't even be on RS actually..

I believe hospices are funded almost entirely by donation, they are not a component of the government sponsored health care program, can someone confirm?

No, there are many that are government funded. Some are private, some are semi-private, some are public.

[Nocardia]

I came here to see what people on RS had to say about this and bam, 6 pages. So after reading 6 pages, I have a lot to say because I wanted to say something on this topic due to my experience, but no one reads long posts. So instead, I pose questions for discussion:

1. Hospice is a learning experience for medical professionals, so is a university, good match?

2. UBC is a university, how come people who don't go/work to the university live on campus?

3. Where on UBC property can you buy a a condo for < $1 million?

4. If this hospice brings bad luck due to death, wouldn't a pediatric hospice be much worse? Look at googlemaps street view: can you tell where Canuck Place is?


5. By most responses, people have not been in a hospice before, nor understand them. Do people think many family/friends of the patient cry/bawl when leaving the hospice or when their family member passes?

Subsequent questions to come

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Oh hey, here's an idea.
Instead of having a Hospice where people go to die, why don't they just die... at home? with thier family? Like Asian people do?

Oh wait. People don't want a loved one dying inside thier home. It'll remind them of death. Let's have a building where people go to die, and not expect any complaints.

Umm.... because people don't have a nursing staff and medical equipment to help keep them comfortable as they pass in their homes.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by deep87

from reddit, qft;

Point by point:

* The condo owners bought real estate in a highly speculative investment market (being Vancouver. Point is they could have very comfortably bought in a non-speculative market and lived just as easily.)
* Along with the many other risks of owning land, these owners get hit with both undesirable neighbours and potential loss of value (or at least stunted land value growth) given the local developments around their property.
* The zoning laws and development permits allowed for such things as a hospice to be built next door, and the time to act/contest on said development permits has long passed (the place is doing open houses, obviously they aren't in the phase of applying for building permits still..)
* It could be argued that it is the condo owner's responsibility to protect their investment (proactively.) NOT the city. Especially in a speculative growth market like Vancouver.
* The condo owners missed the boat on acting before the hospice was approved for construction (which is no one else but the owners fault.)
* The condo owners have no other option, so they pull the race/culture card to gain media attention in hopes to protect their investment.
* In our society, it's not politically correct to discredit the race/culture card.
* In our society, headlines and stories that feature the race/culture card tend to sell newspapers or attract broadcast listeners.

Maybe the developments snealy and quietly submitted this progject and didn't send out enough notice to the general public that's why no one knows about it?

Is not like the devepers send letters and hold meetings with the apartments owners or anything. I am sure if they did all the ppl complain now would have complain then and make a fuss about it.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

Umm.... because people don't have a nursing staff and medical equipment to help keep them comfortable as they pass in their homes.

They offer the service to have a Nurse + Supplies for you to pass in your own home.

[Mr.C]

After thinking better, I've come to the conclusion these people that are complaining are attention-whores. If they weren't, they wouldn't throw race in the middle, and just stick to the whole property value loss. That might have given them less of a negative backlash.

[deep87]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Maybe the developments snealy and quietly submitted this progject and didn't send out enough notice to the general public that's why no one knows about it?

Is not like the devepers send letters and hold meetings with the apartments owners or anything. I am sure if they did all the ppl complain now would have complain then and make a fuss about it.

If I owned a 1mil condo I would make it my businesses to know what is being constructed around me, not wait until the open house to object. Unless ofcourse your an offshore investor who usually solves problems by throwing money at it...

[Munny]

As insensitive as their comments sound, they're just trying to protect their live savings and keep their property values high.

In anycase, take a page out of Chazz Reinhold and get on that funeral party poon game.

[impreza_scott]

oh noes teh precious asians are scurred

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

They offer the service to have a Nurse + Supplies for you to pass in your own home.

A. The government does not offer to pay for a nurse stay in your home 24/7.
B. It's not supplies like rubber gloves and pain pills, it's sophisticated equipment that can't be easily moved and set-up in people's homes.

If your going to try to present a point at least think about it for a moment before you do it, because this is the most idiotic thing anyone has said on RS in a long time.

[rb]

After reading that article, it makes me wonder how some downright retarded people could afford a million dollar condo.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

A. The government does not offer to pay for a nurse stay in your home 24/7.
B. It's not supplies like rubber gloves and pain pills, it's sophisticated equipment that can't be easily moved and set-up in people's homes.

If your going to try to present a point at least think about it for a moment before you do it, because this is the most idiotic thing anyone has said on RS in a long time.

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

^Isn't Blue Cross a private insurance company? It's not part of the msp, iirc.

edit: Blue Cross vs. MSP
http://www.pac.bluecross.ca/corp/how...ffpbc-msp.aspx

[bing]

Originally Posted by Mr.C

Please don't bunch all immigrants together. Seriously, don't go there. I HATE it when people say this shit. It's like using the race card. Soooo annoying.

It is still my opinion that, if you have a million bucks to drop on an overpriced condo, and you don't like what's being built next to it, sell it. I mean, you're already rich, you take a 20-30k loss, good for you, you'r not living next to an evil place. Or something. Would be worse if there was a crack shack next to the apartment.

Edit: All of the examples you have given are things that *may* devalue a property. I've never heard of hospices devaluing properties. Heck, even a quick google search doesn't bring anything up. I'd have to ask some realtors about that one.

So because someone has money, its OK to force them to lose money on their devalued property? Easy for you to say as its not your money. One million dollars for a property, most people will never be able to afford that in a lifetime. With canadian wages as depressed as they are and tax rates so high, most people will make under 2 million in their lifetime (before tax).

Just because you've never heard of it devaluing a property does not mean it does not happen.

I would not complain if the rules in the contract allow UBC to build whatever on their land (which I would have researched before buying). If not, I would join up with the other owners and sue UBC if my property loss was a significant amount of value and move out if it bothered me that much. I personally am not superstitious about the hospice, and am definitely more understanding about what the people are going through, but I do care about the value and I would feel cheated if UBC did not do any consultations with condo owners beforehand.

[Valour]

The chinese condo owners are exercising their freedom and democratic rights. This should be applauded.

If they were black, the hospice would get shot up
If they were muslim, it would get blown up
If they were Japanese, the UBC president would get their pinky finger cut off
If they were vietnamese, they would give half their weed to the hospice to not rat about the grow ops
If they were East Indian, they would park their taxis in the hospice' stalls
If they were filipino, they would sing karaoke on max volume till the dead came back to life.
If they were native, well... they'd be drunk
If they were white, they would come over, praise you for your "courage" in facing your final hours then come back in the black of night and burn it down.

[Presto]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Do YOUR research.

This gets covered in your Health Care.

Take Blue Cross for Example.
It Covers Nursing Care, AND a Final Expense Benefit. As well as a Survivor Benefit to cover any loose ends.

My Neighbour died in her home during the Final Stages of Cancer, and Blue Cross paid for everything.

Do YOUR research. Blue Cross =/= Medical Services Plan. It's optional coverage, and you don't get it unless you pay premiums toward it.