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I gave you the names. Google them and you'll find your information. And I never said they collapsed from fires - I said that a single floor on the top collapsing on the floor below started a chain reaction that ended up with the building falling perfectly straight into the basement without leaning or falling over. These accidents happened during the construction of the bulding. Coincidentally, the first example was from a fire, since the supports for pouring the concrete were wooden timbers instead of steel commonly used today. The wind blew over a heater which burned the timbers causing the top floor to hit the one below and after that it was bye-bye to everything below.
I was once building a multilevel house out of Popsicle sticks and one of the top floors gave way, collapsing everything.
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You think I should take a basic physics class? Maybe I should, because my 9 years of university has obviously taught me nothing. Nor has my training in fire investigations and the numerous fires I've looked at over the years. I've seen steel melt and deform in fires with only a small amount of combustible material and a burn time of less than 20 minutes. Hell, I've seen ceramic items deform which are supposed to be good to around 1,200C (coincidentally, this is even higher than what temperature steel needs to melt).
I LOL when I read all the experts at the truther sites explaining how jet fuel can't burn that hot or that the fire in the WTC could have never reached temperatures hot enough to deform or melt steel. But what do I know. The thousands of pictures and hours of video from all the fires I looked at with melted/deformed steel mean nothing. I must have been imagining seeing it melt, because the truthers say it's not possible. Like what was stated earlier in the videos posted, how is it that humans had survived the extreme heat your talking about and wave their arms from the windows of the burning floors?
I should probably go back and tell ICBC and Transport Canada I'm no longer qualified to investigate fires on their behalf, since I have observed things that aren't supposed to happen (steel melting) - which must mean I don't really know what I'm doing.
In the pecking order of the great American academic society, I only see you as a peon. Just because you investigate car fires or have seen steel melt doesnt make you an expert.
[The melting point of construction grade steel is 3000F, and weakens substantively at approx 2200F. And whereas fully oxidized fuel fires tend to burn at 1200 degrees [such as a raging house fire with light orange flame] these fires are not sufficient to cause collapse; furthermore even if fires were able to reach sufficient temperatures, it is well beyond the laws of physics for such a collapse to offer little or no resistance, as massive amounts of energy are absorbed in the compression of the remaining steel frame. Even buildings classed as fully involved do not collapse, and still would as we stated, offer far more resistance to gravity forced collapse than air. Therefore the government's explanation for the reason WTC 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds can not be reconciled with physics, unless one includes the "controlled demolition" hypothesis.
^ Are you able to post anything that shows you understand materials science, or are you only capable of copying and pasting what others say?
I have seen steel trusses in commercial buildings buckle and sag from fires. Are you going to tell me that's not possible? Ask any firefighter and they'll tell you the same thing. Go drive by any recent fire in The Lower Mainland and see all the bent, melted and deformed steel framework.
Tell me this: if steel can't deform from a fire, then why do we even bother to insulate steel girders with flame proof materials? Posted via RS Mobile
Even if, so your saying because some floors give way, the rest of the building that is still intact will snap and disintegrate into a pile? at free falling speed?
^ BTW, if I'm nothing more than a peon, the what word would you use to describe yourself? Just curious as to what your "credentials" are. Posted via RS Mobile
Why I am even wasting time explaining this is beyond me but this will be my last attempt in this matter.
You have an impact with super high temps from jet fuel at about 1/2 to 3/4 height of the building, the supports get melted away. When the last support fails, you have free fall of roughly half the building onto the next floor. Where do you think all that momentum is going to go? DOWN.
Now had the support broken off at the sides of the building causing just the top half to fall, then perhaps only the top would fall off and the rest would still be standing. However that is not how the design buildings when there is so much stuff nearby. They are designed to implode. If a building toppled to one side instead of collapsing on itself there would be MUCH more damage.
Where do you think all that momentum is going to go? DOWN.
Dam right its going to go down, but the laws of physics or just looking at his dam picture should clue you in that it would not collapse the floors beneath at free falling speed.
Do you think if I were to inject acid at the top levels of this wood model building, that the forces from the top would make the rest pancake? Sounds stupid to me.
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^ BTW, if I'm nothing more than a peon, the what word would you use to describe yourself? Just curious as to what your "credentials" are.
They call me troll around here, but I see myself as someone who has recognized the system.
Im illuminated to the fact that Canada is actually the name of a corporate system that we are in. its laws (legislative) and rules are to make itself more efficient and powerful, and are not designed to work for the people (specially with fractional reserve banking)
The system uses television to influence People go to school and strive to become academic achievers to climb the social ladder for social status, to claw your way to the top with the notion that the one with the most stuff wins. All along creating division and your enslavement to own a box on the ground which you'll constantly be paying rates and payments for just to live.
Dam right its going to go down, but the laws of physics or just looking at his dam picture should clue you in that it would not collapse the floors beneath at free falling speed.
Do you think if I were to inject acid at the top levels of this wood model building, that the forces from the top would make the rest pancake? Sounds stupid to me.
Only thing that sounds stupid is you. Seriously, you're comparing a wood model injected with acid to a real life 100 story building of steel and concrete that got hit by a 200 ton aircraft? ROFL Posted via RS Mobile
I'll compensate the aircraft with a pencil.
I think most of us can relate better with this wood play structure to understand the basic resistance forces in this scenario.
Why wouldnt this steel just bend over and over on to each floor if the weight was that great?... never-mind the concrete that would create even more resistance.
Take a paperclip for example and positions it to snap by some great weight... you wont be able to.
WTC7's key joints were severed like butter with advanced demolition techniques that day, that is why we get this amazingly fast collapse.
So Arash, I see you linked a picture from Structuremag. I'm curious, did you even bother to read their assessment of WTC7? Or are they on the shit list of companies, organizations and engineers who can't be trusted since they offer an explanation counter to what the conspiracists believe? Maybe if you dig deep enough you'll find a money trail to Structuremag that shows they received money to write a favorable report on WTC7. Posted via RS Mobile
Maybe you should ask your superiors (since your explanation wasnt sense-able) why this flaming building never collapsed and wtc7 did.
Oh that's right, wtc7 was hit with a plane... look I dont want to turn your life upside down, we wouldnt want to turn you into a truther and have your friends laugh at you.
Maybe you should ask your superiors (since your explanation wasnt sense-able) why this flaming building never collapsed and wtc7 did.
Oh that's right, wtc7 was hit with a plane... look I dont want to turn your life upside down, we wouldnt want to turn you into a truther and have your friends laugh at you.
The only one being laughed at is you. You are like all truthers/conspiracy freaks. Whenever someone questions you, your comeback is to copy/paste some article you read or some video you watched. Why can't you speak for yourself? And your logic is all the same. If it's not a straw man argument then it's a false dichotomy. Or the very common "argument from ignorance".
Dam right its going to go down, but the laws of physics or just looking at his dam picture should clue you in that it would not collapse the floors beneath at free falling speed.
Do you think if I were to inject acid at the top levels of this wood model building, that the forces from the top would make the rest pancake? Sounds stupid to me.
They call me troll around here, but I see myself as someone who has recognized the system.
Im illuminated to the fact that Canada is actually the name of a corporate system that we are in. its laws (legislative) and rules are to make itself more efficient and powerful, and are not designed to work for the people (specially with fractional reserve banking)
The system uses television to influence People go to school and strive to become academic achievers to climb the social ladder for social status, to claw your way to the top with the notion that the one with the most stuff wins. All along creating division and your enslavement to own a box on the ground which you'll constantly be paying rates and payments for just to live.
Inspired by Max Igan
So...we shouldn't go to school, educate ourselves or be ambitious?
There's a silver-lining for some prospects, but basically tomorrows jobs after the student loans, the habits that are ingrained along the way... and locking down for a mortgage in most cases is the key to enslavement.
@Dangonay
Read your last 3-5 rebuttals, they comprise of grade school name calling where I bring forth, in your words, freak analysis.
^ Now you're just being delusional. You know, there's a difference between attacking a person and attacking their beliefs. What's really lame is you following my posts in other forums to make snide comments. Very mature of you.
Now, since nobody wants to bring it up I will. Pyrocool. Conspiracy theorists have been talking about this since the very beginning.
It goes like this: they claim thermite gives off UV radiation. Pyrocool (which is a flame retardant foam used to fight fires) absorbs UV radiation. Pyrocool was dumped in large quantities on the WTC wreckage (this is a fact I'll agree with). Conspiracists claim it was used to hide evidence of thermite by blocking UV radiation.
There's one huge flaw with this: thermite DOES NOT emit UV radiation. Their reasoning for using pyrocool is flawed since there's no UV to absorb. Posted via RS Mobile
Right dangonay, who could forget Pyrocool... this is the elephant in the room that my truther homeboys and I always try to avoid.
You win man, your right... why would ones own government want to slaughter its own citizens when it could quench it thirst over-boards, congratulations.
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