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Im illuminated to the fact that Canada is actually the name of a corporate system that we are in. its laws (legislative) and rules are to make itself more efficient and powerful, and are not designed to work for the people (specially with fractional reserve banking)
The system uses television to influence People go to school and strive to become academic achievers to climb the social ladder for social status, to claw your way to the top with the notion that the one with the most stuff wins. All along creating division and your enslavement to own a box on the ground which you'll constantly be paying rates and payments for just to live.
I will have to agree with that.
I agree with the fact that we are all slaves, to a higher entity (whether it be some form of corporation or just a group of individuals or whatever), which has most if not all people convinced they are living their lives as free people.
the worst part is there is nothing you can really do about it other than become a terrorist.
I agree the most with the part about the banking system. If I were to become a terrorist, it would have to be to fight the banking system. Just the fucking fact that the banks are privately owned is already so fucked up, I seriously don't see why people can't see that.
oh well, I just have to wake up drag my ass to work and enslave myself for 9-5 so they can give me a few gold coins so i can exchange it for food and water and shelter, so i don't die. i mean if i really wanted to go build my own house, and have my own farm, and start my own little self sustaining tribe somewhere, tell me exactly where the fuck any government would let me do that? there is no free land. we're always under someone, someone's rules, those rules are made to insure they prosper.
money can't fix the problem. if i were a millionaire, I'm still attached to the system, powered by money, which is not really owned or controlled by me. nor do I actually own anything that is worth that much, it's just all part of the system.
I can't really see it change though. Something radical has to happen. some fucking world disaster, alien invasion lol, some error in the system causing it to collapse like a mother fucker, and then, and only then will people be willing to listen and make a change, when there's nothing left, when money is worthless.
money is not the root of all evil. it's just a catalyst that was invented by us, to accelerate cycle that humans have done and still continue to do today. and by the way, i agree with joe rogan.
we're here to eat the cake. we're here to destroy. that's what humans are best at. we're war machines. we're the ultimate weapon of the universe as far as we know. i'm almost proud of that, i mean if you're not, what are you proud of? lol, everything we've ever invented, thought of, or done is to further our race and ensure we continue to reproduce, spread and destroy everything that goes against our programming (destroy, expand, consume).
everything in this world is some kinda balance. everything has an end, we can't see the bigger picture, we're just some animals on a fucking spec of dirt in space. the way i see it is, this piece of dirt called earth, unlike most planets, has some biological growth on it (we call it nature), and like all living things, they come to an end, and we are that process. maybe im wrong, but whatever, lol we do what we do. if we are the most destructive force to have woken on this planet (or universe), so be it.
hm, this is starting to sound like agent smith's lecture to morpheus.
as for this 9/11 crap, i duno, i don't really care anymore. if the usa needed an excuse to invade the middle east and take more resources to insure their system survives, then that's excuse enough.
everyone wants to live. everyone has their way. join them, if you don't like it, kill them, there's no other way. being neutral only lasts so long, one day, they're gonna come knockin on your door and you'll be faced with the 2 options i just gave you.
Last edited by Ulic Qel-Droma; 01-26-2011 at 04:01 PM.
^ Now you're just being delusional. You know, there's a difference between attacking a person and attacking their beliefs. What's really lame is you following my posts in other forums to make snide comments. Very mature of you.
Now, since nobody wants to bring it up I will. Pyrocool. Conspiracy theorists have been talking about this since the very beginning.
It goes like this: they claim thermite gives off UV radiation. Pyrocool (which is a flame retardant foam used to fight fires) absorbs UV radiation. Pyrocool was dumped in large quantities on the WTC wreckage (this is a fact I'll agree with). Conspiracists claim it was used to hide evidence of thermite by blocking UV radiation.
There's one huge flaw with this: thermite DOES NOT emit UV radiation. Their reasoning for using pyrocool is flawed since there's no UV to absorb. Posted via RS Mobile
Why is it that when I google Thermite it all tells me that the reaction emits dangerous UV
^ Should've waited until Arash posted it up. I wanted to see if he'd actually google it, but he didn't since he never does his own research.
I intentionally left out one key word - reaction. Thermite emits UV only while reacting/burning. As soon as the reaction stops, the UV stops.
Yet from day one all the nutjobs were saying they used pyrocool to prevent UV radiation from escaping the WTC rubble. They got so hung up on the idea of thermite emitting UV and pyrocool absorbing UV (and the smoking gun connection they "discovered") that they completely missed the fact (by accident or intentionally) that there would be nothing in the WTC rubble to emit UV since the reaction had long since stopped.
My point during one of the previous RS discussions on 9/11 is that if these truthers could miss something so obvious, how could you trust anything they say? How could someone dig so deep to find the truth and consult so many "professionals", "experts" and "scientists" and yet make such a huge mistake as to suggest there would be UV emitting thermite in the WTC rubble? Didn't any of their scientists catch this?
oh well, I just have to wake up drag my ass to work and enslave myself for 9-5 so they can give me a few gold coins so i can exchange it for food and water and shelter, so i don't die. i mean if i really wanted to go build my own house, and have my own farm, and start my own little self sustaining tribe somewhere, tell me exactly where the fuck any government would let me do that? there is no free land. we're always under someone, someone's rules, those rules are made to insure they prosper
You can build your own boat, set your own sails, fish your own fish, tell govt to fuck off - they don't own the oceans
Nervermind. There's very little left for free land, although if you didn't mind living up north I think you could still get 160 acres for free. Just don't expect to be near anyone.
^ Should've waited until Arash posted it up. I wanted to see if he'd actually google it, but he didn't since he never does his own research.
I intentionally left out one key word - reaction. Thermite emits UV only while reacting/burning. As soon as the reaction stops, the UV stops.
Yet from day one all the nutjobs were saying they used pyrocool to prevent UV radiation from escaping the WTC rubble. They got so hung up on the idea of thermite emitting UV and pyrocool absorbing UV (and the smoking gun connection they "discovered") that they completely missed the fact (by accident or intentionally) that there would be nothing in the WTC rubble to emit UV since the reaction had long since stopped.
My point during one of the previous RS discussions on 9/11 is that if these truthers could miss something so obvious, how could you trust anything they say? How could someone dig so deep to find the truth and consult so many "professionals", "experts" and "scientists" and yet make such a huge mistake as to suggest there would be UV emitting thermite in the WTC rubble? Didn't any of their scientists catch this?
I actually hadn't heard of Pyrocool actually.
But seriously, with a background in engineering, I do find is very unbelievable that the above could happen with some small fires inside WTC7. Have we seen this happen before elsewhere? You can actually see the building 'sag' just right before the collapse. When structural pieces exceed their yield limit, they don't come crashing down like that, the permanently deform, and then yield permanently.
You talk about Carbon Steel iBeams bending under fire sure, I can buy that, it all depends on the load. Pancake collapse theory on WTC1/2 sure, I can buy that, ie, its not IMPOSSIBLE.
But building 7 is suspicious as hell to me, as to why the building wouldn't partially collapse. Also, with plane hitting Pentagon, I do find it strange that there was never any video/photo of that. The most secure building on Earth? And no rubble? Something just doesn't add up.
Small fires? top to bottom that building was on fire including a massive gouge scooped out by the falling towers. Given the enormity of the fires, the weakened creaking building, and the fact they had lost hundreds of their fellow firefighters when the 2 towers fell, they were ordered to pull back because it wasn't worth the risk and further loss of life. That's not something you do for small fires.
WTC7 being a C/D does not work unless you also say WTC1 and WTC2 were also brought down by C/D. Without a C/D of the 2 towers, no one could predict the behaviour of the buildings coming down outside their footprints. The conspirators had no idea that when 2 planes were to strike the 2 towers that debris from the collapse would do damage if any to WTC7. What were they going to do if WTC1 and WTC2 managed to completely miss WTC7 and leave it unscathed? Were they going to set off their charges and bring it down and hope no one noticed? To me, WTC7 C/D truthers can't have their cake and eat it too. You need to explain the C/D of WTC1 & WTC2 first.
No one had any idea the towers would collapse after they were both struck by planes. No one factored in the nearly full tanks of jet fuel or the incredibly high speeds they would impact. The planes struck with more than 10 times the energy of the empty slow 707 it was designed to withstand. No one considered the burning of all that office furniture or the expansive open floors combined with smashed windows allowing oxygen to ferociously fuel the fires. Truthers have shifted the focus away from the towers because their explanations have been thoroughly debunked and WTC7 on the surface appears suspicious but still explainable.
as for the pentagon, there are other video angles.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/37/iBHi9CbrNf4
I agree with the fact that we are all slaves, to a higher entity (whether it be some form of corporation or just a group of individuals or whatever), which has most if not all people convinced they are living their lives as free people.
the worst part is there is nothing you can really do about it other than become a terrorist.
I agree the most with the part about the banking system. If I were to become a terrorist, it would have to be to fight the banking system. Just the fucking fact that the banks are privately owned is already so fucked up, I seriously don't see why people can't see that.
oh well, I just have to wake up drag my ass to work and enslave myself for 9-5 so they can give me a few gold coins so i can exchange it for food and water and shelter, so i don't die. i mean if i really wanted to go build my own house, and have my own farm, and start my own little self sustaining tribe somewhere, tell me exactly where the fuck any government would let me do that? there is no free land. we're always under someone, someone's rules, those rules are made to insure they prosper.
money can't fix the problem. if i were a millionaire, I'm still attached to the system, powered by money, which is not really owned or controlled by me. nor do I actually own anything that is worth that much, it's just all part of the system.
I can't really see it change though. Something radical has to happen. some fucking world disaster, alien invasion lol, some error in the system causing it to collapse like a mother fucker, and then, and only then will people be willing to listen and make a change, when there's nothing left, when money is worthless.
money is not the root of all evil. it's just a catalyst that was invented by us, to accelerate cycle that humans have done and still continue to do today. and by the way, i agree with joe rogan.
we're here to eat the cake. we're here to destroy. that's what humans are best at. we're war machines. we're the ultimate weapon of the universe as far as we know. i'm almost proud of that, i mean if you're not, what are you proud of? lol, everything we've ever invented, thought of, or done is to further our race and ensure we continue to reproduce, spread and destroy everything that goes against our programming (destroy, expand, consume).
everything in this world is some kinda balance. everything has an end, we can't see the bigger picture, we're just some animals on a fucking spec of dirt in space. the way i see it is, this piece of dirt called earth, unlike most planets, has some biological growth on it (we call it nature), and like all living things, they come to an end, and we are that process. maybe im wrong, but whatever, lol we do what we do. if we are the most destructive force to have woken on this planet (or universe), so be it.
hm, this is starting to sound like agent smith's lecture to morpheus.
as for this 9/11 crap, i duno, i don't really care anymore. if the usa needed an excuse to invade the middle east and take more resources to insure their system survives, then that's excuse enough.
everyone wants to live. everyone has their way. join them, if you don't like it, kill them, there's no other way. being neutral only lasts so long, one day, they're gonna come knockin on your door and you'll be faced with the 2 options i just gave you.
I agree but when say our self sustaining tribe is thriving and prospering, another tribe can come over and kill and steal from us instead. lol
You're right about the millionaire part, whatever happens you're fucked if your country collapse. haha
On the whole 9/11 thing..this thread reminds of the scene in Transformers 2 when that go don't be sucking on the sack bro... the media's ball sack. hahahaha
Small fires? top to bottom that building was on fire including a massive gouge scooped out by the falling towers. Given the enormity of the fires, the weakened creaking building, and the fact they had lost hundreds of their fellow firefighters when the 2 towers fell, they were ordered to pull back because it wasn't worth the risk and further loss of life. That's not something you do for small fires.
WTC7 being a C/D does not work unless you also say WTC1 and WTC2 were also brought down by C/D. Without a C/D of the 2 towers, no one could predict the behaviour of the buildings coming down outside their footprints. The conspirators had no idea that when 2 planes were to strike the 2 towers that debris from the collapse would do damage if any to WTC7. What were they going to do if WTC1 and WTC2 managed to completely miss WTC7 and leave it unscathed? Were they going to set off their charges and bring it down and hope no one noticed? To me, WTC7 C/D truthers can't have their cake and eat it too. You need to explain the C/D of WTC1 & WTC2 first.
No one had any idea the towers would collapse after they were both struck by planes. No one factored in the nearly full tanks of jet fuel or the incredibly high speeds they would impact. The planes struck with more than 10 times the energy of the empty slow 707 it was designed to withstand. No one considered the burning of all that office furniture or the expansive open floors combined with smashed windows allowing oxygen to ferociously fuel the fires. Truthers have shifted the focus away from the towers because their explanations have been thoroughly debunked and WTC7 on the surface appears suspicious but still explainable.
how come they found no bodies at the pentagon crash
even the plane didnt leave large amounts of debris, seemed like it exploded
even ppl in the pentagon were moved to different rooms just prior to the attack
"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
–Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.
The remains of everyone on board flight 77 was recovered and identified as well as a number of belongings which were returned to the families of the victims. the only person not identified was a 2 yr old passenger.
If the plane had defied the laws of physics and exploded rather than punching through the building, there would not have been enough force for the plane to continue over 300ft through a re-enforced concrete building (designed like a fortress no less) and a missile wouldn't have that ability either. There was plenty of sizable plane debris found inside and outside the Pentagon
debris from the pentagon may be viewed here
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/43/YTNRkb7AaQk
That's because the conspiracists realized their mistake. However, that didn't stop all the major 9/11 truth sites from talking extensively about Pyrocool for several years after 9/11. Now all references of it have basically been removed and if you were to search for the keyword "pyrocool" in any major truther site you will find nothing. I guess they all want this huge mistake they made to be quietly forgotten.
Which brings up another point. Anyone who has followed 9/11 truthers since the beginning would have noticed that their theories keep evolving. Truthers will never sway from their position that WTC 1 & 2 were brought down in a controlled demolition. When one of their points gets proven wrong, they look to other areas.
Truthers keep saying they want an independent investigation, but that won't solve anything. If an independent investigation was done and they came to the conclusion that it really was the combination of the planes and fires that brought down the towers, they'd all be screaming that the investigation was another conspiracy and we'd be back at square one.
Does anyone think a fundamentalist (like Westboro Baptist Church) will ever change their beliefs no matter how much evidence they are presented with? Same thing with a truther.
"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
–Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.
The remains of everyone on board flight 77 was recovered and identified as well as a number of belongings which were returned to the families of the victims. the only person not identified was a 2 yr old passenger.
If the plane had defied the laws of physics and exploded rather than punching through the building, there would not have been enough force for the plane to continue over 300ft through a re-enforced concrete building (designed like a fortress no less) and a missile wouldn't have that ability either. There was plenty of sizable plane debris found inside and outside the Pentagon
Of come on, everyone knows those pieces of debris were all planted after the fact. The first responders who showed up all were given a specific piece of debris and were told where to drop it when they arrived so they could fake an airplane crash.
I disagree, what do you think happened to the ussr? When people were taking wheelbarrows of money and burning it for heat? Surely they must have learnt the errors in the way of paper money. Yet what are they using now? Just another form of paper money. Well them russians must be really fucking stupid? I doubt that, heck you dont have a cold war for 20-30 years with the most powerful nation on earth, if you dont have some smart people running your country.
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma
I will have to agree with that.
I agree with the fact that we are all slaves, to a higher entity (whether it be some form of corporation or just a group of individuals or whatever), which has most if not all people convinced they are living their lives as free people.
the worst part is there is nothing you can really do about it other than become a terrorist.
I agree the most with the part about the banking system. If I were to become a terrorist, it would have to be to fight the banking system. Just the fucking fact that the banks are privately owned is already so fucked up, I seriously don't see why people can't see that.
oh well, I just have to wake up drag my ass to work and enslave myself for 9-5 so they can give me a few gold coins so i can exchange it for food and water and shelter, so i don't die. i mean if i really wanted to go build my own house, and have my own farm, and start my own little self sustaining tribe somewhere, tell me exactly where the fuck any government would let me do that? there is no free land. we're always under someone, someone's rules, those rules are made to insure they prosper.
money can't fix the problem. if i were a millionaire, I'm still attached to the system, powered by money, which is not really owned or controlled by me. nor do I actually own anything that is worth that much, it's just all part of the system.
I can't really see it change though. Something radical has to happen. some fucking world disaster, alien invasion lol, some error in the system causing it to collapse like a mother fucker, and then, and only then will people be willing to listen and make a change, when there's nothing left, when money is worthless.
money is not the root of all evil. it's just a catalyst that was invented by us, to accelerate cycle that humans have done and still continue to do today. and by the way, i agree with joe rogan.
we're here to eat the cake. we're here to destroy. that's what humans are best at. we're war machines. we're the ultimate weapon of the universe as far as we know. i'm almost proud of that, i mean if you're not, what are you proud of? lol, everything we've ever invented, thought of, or done is to further our race and ensure we continue to reproduce, spread and destroy everything that goes against our programming (destroy, expand, consume).
everything in this world is some kinda balance. everything has an end, we can't see the bigger picture, we're just some animals on a fucking spec of dirt in space. the way i see it is, this piece of dirt called earth, unlike most planets, has some biological growth on it (we call it nature), and like all living things, they come to an end, and we are that process. maybe im wrong, but whatever, lol we do what we do. if we are the most destructive force to have woken on this planet (or universe), so be it.
hm, this is starting to sound like agent smith's lecture to morpheus.
as for this 9/11 crap, i duno, i don't really care anymore. if the usa needed an excuse to invade the middle east and take more resources to insure their system survives, then that's excuse enough.
everyone wants to live. everyone has their way. join them, if you don't like it, kill them, there's no other way. being neutral only lasts so long, one day, they're gonna come knockin on your door and you'll be faced with the 2 options i just gave you.
Of come on, everyone knows those pieces of debris were all planted after the fact. The first responders who showed up all were given a specific piece of debris and were told where to drop it when they arrived so they could fake an airplane crash.
That's one thing Truthers seem to forget to discuss with their conspiracy theories is the sheer number of people required to make this operation possible. A conspiracy of this magnitude would require thousands of people to be paid off/threatened. To start you have all the people needed to secretly plant the charges - a number in the hundreds for a job as big as two 110 story buildings and the 47 story WTC7. Then you have the building personnel of all 3 buildings any possibly other surrounding buildings (security, parking attendants, etc) who might spot something to be paid/threatened to look the other way while this massive operation was going on. Then you have air traffic controllers who where monitoring the flight paths of the 4 planes and people who could doctor the records of those flights, Then you have the hundreds of first responders - police, firefighters, EMTs, rescue workers etc who would have to be paid/threatened to not discuss the multitudes of evidence left from controlled demolitions or the molten metal from magical thermite as well as to plant evidence of planes and passengers at the Pentagon and WTC. You'd also have to pay off the structural engineers of the NIST, the 9/11 Commission, and so on. Would you also include Osama and his ilk for claiming responsibility? Please forgive me Truthers if I am leaving anyone out but that's a lot of people.
Conspiracies usually only work when the number of people involved is as few as possible. This conspiracy involves a very conservative estimate of a thousand people. That is a lot of people to keep quiet, especially after more than 9 years. When there is a risk of people talking, the higher ups of the conspiracy will try to tie up loose ends but we aren't hearing of any of these conspirators mysteriously dying or disappearing.
You have to ask yourself what is more plausible: this massively intricate false flag operation involving thousands of people of all walks of life, requiring countless variables and unknowns to work out just right, or a situation where a group of well trained and well funded fundamentalists managed to catch a country with its pants down by simply highjacking 4 passenger jets with boxcutters.
I belive these Truthers just can't accept that the most powerful nation in the world could be outsmarted by people from a third world country. There have been many examples of simple technologies and tactics defeating the most advanced systems. For example -the Vietnam war: using simple gorilla tactics, hand-dug tunnels, etc to fight a nation with napalm, guided missiles, helicopters, etc. All this technology and inventiveness can be defeated by human nature. We are given all these gadgets and people will fail to use them properly or use them at all. Its why with all these security upgrades at airports you can still have someone manage to get past security checkpoints with hidden weapons.
you buy the ingredients and cook it yourself. Its totally legal until you actual make the DMT, then you are in possesion of one of the most illegal controlled substances in the world. Joe Rogan is a pimp. I hardly ever find myself not agreeing with what he has to say. We're all fucked, so sit back and enjoy the ride
Okay, here's something. Let's pretend that the collapse of the WTC7 building was a C/D. Why does it have to be the main driving point behind a thousand and one theories that the whole of 9/11 was a conspiracy?
Three major government branches were stationed inside the building: Department of Defense, CIA and IRS. Think about it for a second... A building housing potentially thousands of highly secret and confidential files has suddenly been hugely and irreversibly damaged. What do you do to prevent these files from being stolen by someone when a guard's back it turned? You pull the whole building down.
Maybe it was brought down by explosions of some kind. But even if it was, it doesn't mean there was actually a conspiracy afoot...
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