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Ignatifucker said he will not entertain the idea of a coalition. If that is the case, the NDP just threw their hopes for anything on their agenda in the garbage with the non-confidence vote. If it isnt the case, what do you know, hes a liar.
I dont follow politics closely enough myself, but just like how when that luger died in the olympics and suddenly everyone with a keyboard was an engineer, I dont think many people in here really have any idea what they are talking about either, regardless of whether they think they do.
I would have to believe a big reason our revenue is down and our deficit is up (which go hand in hand) is because of the recession (revenue down) and the minority government being forced to giving into concessions to the other parties (spending up) as well as the measures taken to stimulate the economy out of the recession. Would any other party have done any better in the same situation? Hell, I dont think any other party would have done as good in the same situation. When your revenue is forced down, and your spending is forced up, theres not alot you can do. You cannot compare debt/deficit in the last 3 years in one of the largest world economic downturns with a minority government, to a majority government in some of the most prosperous times of 5-15 years ago
For the budget, yes it is not their fault. When they need 10 votes, those 10 votes dictate extra spending.
Not to say I agree with either side 'cause honestly I trust nobody, but here's a question:
If Harper claims he has a mandate while leading a minority government and that the opposition has tried to "steal power" by forming a coalition, why does someone "with a mandate to govern the people" find himself stuck kowtowing?
Not to say I agree with either side 'cause honestly I trust nobody, but here's a question:
If Harper claims he has a mandate while leading a minority government and that the opposition has tried to "steal power" by forming a coalition, why does someone "with a mandate to govern the people" find himself stuck kowtowing?
It reeks of more spinning.
Your post reeks of spinning.
He's stuck towing the line cause he needs 10 votes to pass anything. If he proposed true Conservative values, he'd never get those 10 votes. Yet all he needs is 10 votes. If one one issue the Libs agree, then he gets 10 votes. If on the budget the NDP agrees, then he gets 10 votes. If he foolishly gives money to Quebexico, he gets 10 votes. Its not a coalition, its vote buying cause he has to buy 10 votes.
The Liberals need both the NDP and PQ, thus making deals with the devil (PQ) and giving way money (NDP) to get enough votes. That's why it is a coalition, cause they all have to agree, every time.
He's stuck towing the line cause he needs 10 votes to pass anything. If he proposed true Conservative values, he'd never get those 10 votes. Yet all he needs is 10 votes. If one one issue the Libs agree, then he gets 10 votes. If on the budget the NDP agrees, then he gets 10 votes. If he foolishly gives money to Quebexico, he gets 10 votes. Its not a coalition, its vote buying cause he has to buy 10 votes.
The Liberals need both the NDP and PQ, thus making deals with the devil (PQ) and giving way money (NDP) to get enough votes. That's why it is a coalition, cause they all have to agree, every time.
History lesson. The NDP have been in positions to change major aspects of Canada this way.
Petro Canada came about because someone needed the NDP's support. Looked it up...Trudeau and a minority liberal gov't.
When it comes to politics this is what I follow - go for the lesser of two evils. I'm not a big follower of Canadian politics (or any politics for that matter) because at the end of the day, the voters lose no matter who's in charge. There's never a perfect leader that everyone will agree with and there's always something to complain or bitch about, so really, we can only pick the party that will "screw it up" less than the alternatives...
I think the CPC is doing an okay job running the country and it'd be interesting to see how well/bad they'd do with a majority government... the liberals and NDPs have had their hands in shaping this country for the better part of the last 20 years... so a lot of how our society functions now is a direct result of policies made during those years. Let's see what the Conservatives can do now and hope that they can steer the country in the right direction, socially and economically. I prefer my government in the middle but slightly to the right... we have too many tree-hugging lefties in this country and I don't want them running the government. :-p
Seriously, Stephen Harper, no matter how much you hate him and his party, is still looking to be a better leader than Ignatieff, Duceppe, or Layton. I can't even picture having Canada being run by any of those 3 listed... it's a scary thought to say the least.
So how does having the french around expecting to be bought like prostitutes help canada again?
It does not.
I was glad to see the Conservatives included some NDP demands in the budget, cause it gives a nice balance of right-left and serves the majority of Canadians without buying votes from Quebexico.
I am disappointed in the NDP for allowing the government to fail. I suspect they did it cause their support in the polls was up cause support for the Greens was down, and they had a chance of winning a couple more seats - YET .... since the budget controversy the NDP have fallen by almost an equal amount that the Liberals have risen, as NDPers who are sooooo against the Conservatives jump ship to try and vote Liberal to give the Liberals the best chance of winning.
Kinda sad, cause the NDP have more to win with a Conservative minority if they allow the Conservatives to buy their vote. With the Liberals they are going to have to fight with the PQ for money, and the PQ have more seats.
I dont follow politics closely enough myself, but just like how when that luger died in the olympics and suddenly everyone with a keyboard was an engineer, I dont think many people in here really have any idea what they are talking about either, regardless of whether they think they do.
I didn't agree with your first point nor your last point, but I will agree with you here.
On the internet, everyone's a critic; in real life, not so much.
ignatif looks like a fool with this grin and has a french accent, has ties to PQ so he wont win
layton is ndp, no need for a comment here
the only reasonable choice is harper again but that puts us back where we are now cept we wasted 200mil on the election
I hope the conservatives win (majority), and Layton, Iganteiff , Duceppe STFU.
The 300mil should be deducted from the other party leaders salaries and given back to the tax payers.
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lol yeah
that's why i was expecting it to be a lot longer
the view count is going up though, pretty surprised
On a related note, I was watching 60minutes the other night and they did a story about "Tax Havens" for US Corporations and they were talking mainly about Ireland and... Sweden i think it was; where US companies are moving offices, etc over to those areas because they're able to save millions from taxes but Another Country they mentioned was Canada and how US corps are moving here too to get away from US taxes... so i guess thats a + for cons -_-
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