Government Struck Down

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

its amazing how taylor et al are far more intelligent than the ruling leadership and their million dollar analysts that have lee them to decide to push for an election... wow taylor you should run for a seat

please theres no reason to be name calling here qhen we're just voicing our views or else you're no better than these politicians you accuse of schoolyard antics
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I didn't accuse the politicians of anything. If you're paying attention I've said, in big bold letters: Canadians do not care.

You'll also notice I said that having an uneducated opinion is bad and you should spoil your vote. You'll notice I make fun of those who treat politics like Canadian Idol, who by doing so are acting just as badly as the politicians they are criticizing. Ironic eh?

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Great68

Grow up dude. TheNewGirl has not called you a name or challenged your character in a single post.

Keep it mature.

There's a difference between calling someone ignorant, and commenting on their ignorance on an issue. A mature person will understand it.

She cannot challenge my character, I don't treat politics like Canadian Idol.

[taylor192]

The talk in Ottawa is all about coalitions. The PQ will get 50 seats, so they have to be part of any coalition, and we know they will not vote for anything that does not benefit them. We're a little removed from these discussions being out west, yet my family/friends in Ontario/Quebec are saying this is all the talk right now.

Do you want every budget for the next 5 years to buy Quebec's vote? I do not, and many of my left leaning friends in Ontario are sick of it, voting Conservative just to ensure this does not happen.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by taylor192

I didn't accuse the politicians of anything. If you're paying attention I've said, in big bold letters: Canadians do not care.

You'll notice I make fun of those who treat politics like Canadian Idol, who by doing so are acting just as badly as the politicians they are criticizing. Ironic eh?

you'll have to excuse me i was speaking in general in my 2nd paragraph, after looking at it i see how it looks to be directed right at u

as for a Canadian Idol; i find it silly to assume someone who looks at the party leadership over the party is being stupid

because the leadership is the one who leads the party
the leadership has the sway to choose the path the party goes on (bush, harper, blair), you'll find it very rare that the party collectively goes against the leadership
sure it happens, local NDP, but incidences are rare and it usually leads nowhere (again local NDP)

so why shouldn't someone look at the shepherd when he's deciding on which flock of sheep to side with? (by your logic the smartest thing for us all to do would be to vote for Ignatief since the Liberals rock)

[PiuYi]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

He's gotten in trouble for human rights issues, he's misappropriated funds (are you aware that Harper's spent 1 BILLION dollars of Canadian tax payer money inapproriately on personal and Conservative party promotion), he's supported several people's very questionable actions including some Conservatives who will are being investigated for violation of election laws currently and influence peddling.

just wAndering, do u know roughly what the budget is for party promotions? 1 billion sounds like alot.... he may have spent 1 billion and SOME of it was inappropriately spent, but 1 billion spent inappropriately sounds off

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

as for a Canadian Idol; i find it silly to assume someone who looks at the party leadership over the party is being stupid

because the leadership is the one who leads the party
the leadership has the sway to choose the path the party goes on (bush, harper, blair), you'll find it very rare that the party collectively goes against the leadership
sure it happens, local NDP, but incidences are rare and it usually leads nowhere (again local NDP)

so why shouldn't someone look at the shepherd when he's deciding on which flock of sheep to side with? (by your logic the smartest thing for us all to do would be to vote for Ignatief since the Liberals rock)

First, no worries, I don't take any of it personally. Politics just leads to heated discussions

The Liberals hardly rock. They want to give money to Quebexico to build an arena - a clear move to buy votes and an indication of what will come in the next 5 years.

You should also look at the leader when making a decision, yet unfortunately most people look solely at their leader. Ask anyone that hates Harper who the candidate for their party is and what they stood for for their riding - then laugh when they cannot answer. Its all too common, and frankly it sucks thus why you see the language I use, I find it sickening.

I am not a fan of Harper as a leader either, I think there are better candidates that would get the Conservatives a majority. Yet I won't bash him just to bash him, that's what Canadian Idol is for hell I can even say good things about Douchebag Duceppe, he's a fantastic leader, well spoken, knowledgeable - just he's leader of the douche canoes always having their hands out for Quebexico. Layton is a fantastic person, I would vote for him anyday, yet not for his party.

Ultimately it comes down to the party not the leader. I like 2 of the other leaders, yet will NEVER vote for their parties.

[carisear]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

because the leadership is the one who leads the party
the leadership has the sway to choose the path the party goes on (bush, harper, blair)

i'll have to disagree with you there on your choices (not your statement though) -- I think W was the weakest leader by far and was just being told everything.

Harper i believe is pretty homogenous with his party -- not really doing any swaying.

An example i would use for you though is Chretien (heh my favorite person to use!) -- since he was a strong leader. Same with gordon campbell.

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

JD13, IMO you think they've been doing a decent job because some of the sickening shit Harper's done has remained out of the news.

He's gotten in trouble for human rights issues, he's misappropriated funds (are you aware that Harper's spent 1 BILLION dollars of Canadian tax payer money inapproriately on personal and Conservative party promotion), he's supported several people's very questionable actions including some Conservatives who will are being investigated for violation of election laws currently and influence peddling.

I think if people actually tuned into question period now and then they'd be shocked and appaulled by some of the crap their 'doing alright' government is pulling.

I'm not a fan of any of the alternatives but frankly, I'd get behind even Duceppe before I'd support Harper for another term.

Newsflash, every government has its share of scandals.

And Duceppe? You gotta be fucking kidding me.

[johny]

the liberals haven't even payed off their debts from last election. (which is a vilolation of the elections act. but elections canada is run by liberal appointys so nobody cares)

their campaign is going to be run from transit buses. should be fun to watch.

[johny]

Originally Posted by Great68

Uh, I guess you don't remember that the Liberals under Jean Chretien had FIVE consecutive surplus budgets, eliminated $42 billion in deficit, paid down $36 billion of debt, and cut $100 billion in taxes over 5 years...

how much of that was stolen from the surplus EI bucket?...

[carisear]

oh shit, johny's back!

gg left wingers :/

[johny]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Hey taylor. I know who cares.

People who want a government with as little corruption as possible and easily available access off information that the tory's destroyed when he got elected.
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like how when the auditor general was trying to find the costs of the gun registry a few years ago all the spending data from the liberals was gone?. and the true costs could not be calculated.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by johny

how much of that was stolen from the surplus EI bucket?...

Moreso over which years did this occur? were those 5 years the same years of the tech bubble?

[johny]

A quick google found me this. reading thought it now.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/200...coc_ei_081211/


"Canada's highest court ruled, however, that the federal government was within its rights to divert EI contributions to pay down the deficit from 1996-2001.

A Quebec labour union first raised the issue, claiming that Jean Chretien's Liberal government diverted $54 billion from unemployment insurance contributions made by employers and their workers.

The Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux claimed the government was using the money unconstitutionally to balance the budget. Labour leaders demanded that the Ottawa take the money out of general revenues and return the money to the EI program."

they took 54 billion from the on hand EI funds to balance the bugdet, although appeartly that was ok...

[Meowjin]

Jesus christ this has nothing to do about the past... This about the now. We must let the government know with our votes that secret agendas and scandels is not what canadians want. We can play that stupid game alld au
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[TheKingdom2000]

Holy crap, how much do elections cost?
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[Death2Theft]

Well she is a girl so you can't expect her to think rationally before menopause.
If theres two places she doesn't belong it's gender equality threads and politics.

Originally Posted by taylor192

I didn't accuse the politicians of anything. If you're paying attention I've said, in big bold letters: Canadians do not care.

You'll also notice I said that having an uneducated opinion is bad and you should spoil your vote. You'll notice I make fun of those who treat politics like Canadian Idol, who by doing so are acting just as badly as the politicians they are criticizing. Ironic eh?

[Graeme S]

Keep this thread clear of non-political vitriol, people. I don't want to have to issue points in xbox-hueg sized lots, nor bans.

Want to say a political party sucks? Go for it. Don't call anyone an idiot for having a view--regardless how misguided you feel he and/or she may be.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Well she is a girl so you can't expect her to think rationally before menopause.
If theres two places she doesn't belong it's gender equality threads and politics.

Wow, there goes my New Year's resolution of not failing anybody. Those comments of yours are totally uncalled for.

[Meowjin]

i'll just leave this here

"Canada records biggest deficit in history

It's official. Stephen Harper's government has managed to out-do Pierre Trudeau, and take the crown as the biggest deficit spender in Canadian history.

Clocking in at an impressive $55.6 billion, the Harper government has single-handedly managed to inflate the size of the Federal government since taking office in 2006, by approximately 50%.

Remember: conservatives warned us that we had to dispose of the out-of-control spending of previous Liberal governments, which delivered eleven years of balanced budgets, reducing Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio from almost 90% down below 50%.

Stephen Harper and Flaherty have managed to increase Canada's Debt-to-GDP ratio back up to about 80%, erasing almost a decade of debt repayment. Based on current trends, and given Flaherty's own estimates for a return to surplus in 2016, Canada will essentially be back in the same fiscal shape it was in 1995 (or worse) when all is said and done."

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sho...n-history.html

source.

[Meowjin]

Another intresting chart

http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthw...t-balance.html

all smoke and mirrors....

whatever that means

[Meowjin]

and for that matter who watches the watchmen?

[goo3]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

We must let the government know with our votes that secret agendas and scandels is not what canadians want. We can play that stupid game alld au
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Sure, but i bet 4 elections in 7 years will override that fact for most ppl.

The thing is, ppl might care more about this if the opposition didn't try power grabbing last time. Is what they're doing serving the ppl or serving themselves? I wonder if this question ever gets asked when they make these kinds of decisions.

IMO, just like any job, if you want to be voted into power:
- demonstrate you don't suck ass
- show you have good judgment
- show you understand your role

Instead, I see them taking the BC NDP approach: hope they screw up, hope they screw up... Is this what gets taught in poli sci?

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

i'll just leave this here

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sho...n-history.html

source.

You do know that the Conservatives have been forced into spending money they didn't want to, or else the government would have fallen every year as the budget is voted down.

Thus if you want to look for a reason for the deficit, take a long look in the mirror. The NDP want to spend spend spend. The PQ just want more money for Quebexico, and the Libs haven't shown they want to reduce spending at all - other than the F35s which they happened to initiate the contract for.

This year the Conservative said NO to a lot of opposition requests in the budget, and look what happens.

So please leave that there as a reminder to everyone of how much spending the opposition has wanted, and how much further in debt we'll be if they form a coalition.

[bakasam]

Heh my dad said he is forced to vote for Conservatives even though its not the party he wants

He said that the liberals fail with Ignatieff. He thinks hes a shady guy and doesn't trust him even though hes been Liberal until Stephan Dion stepped up.

He would never vote NDP cause they would increase governement spending which would eventually lead to higher taxes etc (Benefit now suffer later) Also the BC NDP Gov't in power in the 90s i think? messed everything up so he doesn't want it to be on a national scale.

Won't vote for Quebecois since nobody really would outside of QB

and Green Party/Independents etc would never get enough votes to have the most number of seats.


Canadian politics blow a minority government will never get things done at the right time since decision making takes forever