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TheNewGirl · 05-02-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.w *//

if justin trudeau was running for prime minister for liberal party

liberal party would of gotten ALOT more support

He's been asked and said he isn't ready. It's only his second term as an MP. In all honesty (and I've said it before), I think a lot of Liberals feel that anyone who is not Trudeau is just a place holder. I expect when he DOES feel he is ready things will change pretty radically. The fact that we have 4 years before the next election is NOT a bad thing for the liberal party in this aspect. It gives them a lot of time to get their shit together.

MG1 · 05-02-2011, 08:00 PM

May is declared a winner

COOL to the max!

Renthal · 05-02-2011, 08:02 PM

iggy lost his riding lol

MindBomber · 05-02-2011, 08:02 PM

Maybe you can answer a question for me no one in the other thread has answered, you seem quite knowledgeable about firearms. The gun registry tracks gun ownership, without it the government has no record of a guns whereabouts or who is in possession of it. So, a person could buy a gun and the government would have no idea that the transaction has taken place?

Many people who support scrapping the LGR also want to see the registry for restricted weapons dropped, so I could buy hand guns for devious purposes with no record, like in the states?

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Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

A lot of legal gun owners would want to have rifles/shotguns that are not listed in the registry, in case, somewhere down the road, a change of power is in place and some form of confiscation is carried out by the government. It also prevents unauthorized personnel from knowing what each legal gun owner has in their possession, in case of malicious intent by criminals looking to acquire legally-owned firearms by means of theft or home invasion.

The only problem I have with the LGR (other than privacy issues to the owners) is how the government sold it to the voters - that it is a crime-fighting system that will reduce crime/violence, and can PREVENT criminal activities involving LEGAL firearms from ocurring, which we have now seen, in both accounts, are completely false. Criminals do not obey any laws and any gun control policies are simply targeted at legal owners, rather than the "bad guys".

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91LS-VTak · 05-02-2011, 08:03 PM

Finally, we won't have to go to the polls next year!

MG1 · 05-02-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

He's been asked and said he isn't ready. It's only his second term as an MP. In all honesty (and I've said it before), I think a lot of Liberals feel that anyone who is not Trudeau is just a place holder. I expect when he DOES feel he is ready things will change pretty radically. The fact that we have 4 years before the next election is NOT a bad thing for the liberal party in this aspect. It gives them a lot of time to get their shit together.

Any Trudeau is better than nothing........... Damn, that would be nice. I think he's even better than the old man. The only Canadian politician, I can think off who could and would tell the Americans to fuck off.

Fuddle Duddle

sonick · 05-02-2011, 08:03 PM

How do you say "nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye" in Quebecois French?

AWDTurboLuvr · 05-02-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

The Liberals will be alright. Per supporter the Liberals actually get larger donations than any other party and have a greater proportion of party members who max out their voting cap.

The end of the voter subsidy really hampers the Greens, The Bloc and the NDP most.

The question is, who is supporting them (the Liberals) here on out?

jackmeister · 05-02-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

The Liberals never had a chance with Ignatief. I keep hearing he's actually quite a cool guy but his public persona is just terrible. He's almost as bad as that Dion clown they had before.

Until the Liberals get someone with some charisma in that seat, I don't know how they're going to get votes.

they need justin trudeau.....

you know the party is hurting when they have to fly a former PM's son across the country to ride the skytrain.

its all about the public persona, does it look like stephen harper, the person, could run the country? no his advisors do it for him. but someone charismatic like jack layton can win his party 70 plus seats. go figure

sonick · 05-02-2011, 08:05 PM

Goddamn idiots on facebook:

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"Matthew Vatta Um, Ryan, you do know that the Conservatives called the election, right? Because the ruling party is the only one with the power to do so."

EmperorIS · 05-02-2011, 08:07 PM

lol keep us updated on that status ... i want to see how badly how he/she gets flamed

MG1 · 05-02-2011, 08:08 PM

Oh, does this mean May can be included in debates now?

I love it when an underdog gets in. She does deserve it, me thinks.

luibei · 05-02-2011, 08:09 PM

nonh nonh nonh allo allo allo, aurevoir , not really but meh BC votes a green in WOOOT awesome im goin green in four years if i know my vote will make no difference in my riding

sonick · 05-02-2011, 08:09 PM

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lol keep us updated on that status ... i want to see how badly how he/she gets flamed

rofl, the person whose wall that comment was on is anti-conservative. She deleted my post deriding the guy for his idiocy. CENSORSHIP!

AWDTurboLuvr · 05-02-2011, 08:10 PM

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Oh, does this mean May can be included in debates now?

I love it when an underdog gets in. She does deserve it, me thinks.

Can she though? They need a minimum number of seats to have party status...I don't think she has the ability to ask questions in the house.

I am glad for her and the Green party though!

TheKingdom2000 · 05-02-2011, 08:11 PM

"We're on the TV guys..." May is hilarious. I'm glad she won.

So Marijuana is going to be legal now right?

JD¹³ · 05-02-2011, 08:13 PM

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My prediction is a Conservative majority with the Liberals losing seats to the NDP.

I'm not surprised to see the Bloc destroyed. Good riddance. May getting in is a surprise over Lunn who's been a staple in Saanich-Gulf Islands, it will be interesting to see how she is received in the House of Commons.

Overall this election is a big win for Canada

TheNewGirl · 05-02-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 89blkcivic

Oh, does this mean May can be included in debates now?

I love it when an underdog gets in. She does deserve it, me thinks.

I am SO glad that Mae won her seat, she is by and far one of the most reasonable and educated people in politics and while she is only one seat, this is a fantastic start and a great step for the Greens. I'm so glad for her.

I'm also really glad to see the Bloc get stomped, seeing as I personally feel a separatist party has no business in federal politics.

And I'm shocked and awed by Layton's driving the NDP to a huge and united opposition.

I'm not a Harper fan but all of the above are Good Things and I'll take that.

As for who will support the Liberals now? Well they have 4 years to earn their way back into the good graces of their supporters and a lot of it will also be determined by Harper. If he is a tyrant... well lots of people will support the Liberals, but if he stays closer to center then they'll recoop less support.

Vansterdam · 05-02-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mx703

"We're on the TV guys..." May is hilarious. I'm glad she won.

So Marijuana is going to be legal now right?

more like you will go to jail for smoking a joint... seriously

Brianrietta · 05-02-2011, 08:22 PM

Fantastic result in Quebec.

MG1 · 05-02-2011, 08:31 PM

Layton lost so much weight, but he looks like a fighter. BTW, it should be noted that the federal NDP is not the same as the Provincial NDP.

Notice how the NDP supporters are chanting NDP and not Layton.

I don't really like the idea of the NDP running the country, but as opposition party, they are going to make a positive difference. Today's election sure sent some strong messages to certain individuals. Amazing how shit happens. Anyone know what the voter turn out numbers are like? I guess we'll know better tomorrow.

Thanks to those who went out and voted for the first time.

Bonjour43MA · 05-02-2011, 08:35 PM

The registry for restricted guns (that includes all pistols, short-barreled shotguns, and AR-15 variants), will still stay ,along with the licensing program which is required for anyone that wishes to acquire firearms, but yes, you are correct, that once the LGR is gone, a LICENSED gun owner can walk in to a shop, buy a non-restricted rifle/shotgun, take it home, and the government will not have a record of this sale to this particular owner. I suppose the only way to find out would be through the shop's record book (some shops use these, some don't).

If one day the registry for restricted firearms is gone as well, then (again), a LICENSED gun owner will be able to own pistols without the government knowing what he/she has in his/her possession.

I'm just going to take a guess that you are implying, that, once the LGR (or one day, the restricted registry, which has been in place since the 30s') is gone, there will be increased crime committed by legal gun owners? I'd like to know what the logic is behind your assumption - that legal gun owners are dangerous people, even MORE SO than actual criminals, to commit crimes, even after going through a strict licensing program to acquire their license which takes anywhere from 2~6 months? You, or anyone else that doesn't have a license, will NOT be able to go to a shop and walk out with a gun, let along getting it "for devious purposes".

My personal opinion is that the registry is NOT the main concern for firearm owners - instead, I acutally think that the ATT (authorization to transport) is one of the dumbest policies ever created, as well as CRIMINAL offense being attached to paper offenses like expired licenses or registration certificates (imagine being criminally charged for having your driver's license expired). I also have a problem with our self-defense laws, where people have pretty much no right to defend themselves in life-threatening situations, and are supposed to lay there to die, or wait for the policy to come. I hope to see that portion of our laws change (for the better), and put more emphasis and rights back in the hands of the victims, not the criminals that walk away with a slap on the wrist for breaking into someone's homes or worse yet, hurting someone in the process of doing so.

Also, why do people automatically think that a legal gun owner only acquire firearms for the purpose of (potentially) hurting others? Have you heard of Trap shooting (an Olympic event), precision target shooting (Olympic event), cow boy action shooting, IPSC, IDPA, the list goes on and on, of legitimate shooting sports? Yes, there are crazies out there that MAY commit crimes with their legal firearms (Dawson college shooting comes to mind), but, to brush everyone with the same stroke would be as ignorant as saying that anyone that has a knife has the potential to kill someone, therefore people should not own knives, period...

Look, I think there should be tighter control on WHO can own guns, and the licensing program can be more strict with more detailed background/mental health/behavioral checks, but a crazy person, with or without guns, will carry out their devious plans if they fully intend on doing so. Having a registry system that tracks registered, legally acquired firearms, owned by licensed citizens, will not prevent any crime, nor will it do anything to reduce crime rates. When was the last time you heard about criminals registering their guns?

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Originally Posted by MindBomber

Maybe you can answer a question for me no one in the other thread has answered, you seem quite knowledgeable about firearms. The gun registry tracks gun ownership, without it the government has no record of a guns whereabouts or who is in possession of it. So, a person could buy a gun and the government would have no idea that the transaction has taken place?

Many people who support scrapping the LGR also want to see the registry for restricted weapons dropped, so I could buy hand guns for devious purposes with no record, like in the states?

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bcrdukes · 05-02-2011, 08:37 PM

May's victory for the Green Party is most definitely a page turner in Canadian politics. While it was only one seat in the House of Commons, this sole victory may perhaps set a precedent to future generations of voters to come.

Harvey Specter · 05-02-2011, 08:38 PM

Big

Z @ Ujjal. Thank god this useless bum is out.

carisear · 05-02-2011, 08:39 PM

i rushed home to a big WTF ... NDP with so much support?! wow. i hate the ndp, but between them and the BQ, i'll support them all day long.

Gonna be scary with ndp as official opposition though -- at least they won't have any real power.

i *HOPE* this teaches the liberals a lesson -- you can't bring in a big 'name' from out of the country, who decides to shift the whole liberal ideology too far left.