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Old 04-13-2011, 11:59 AM   #26
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The people who do not support the legalization of Marijuana are ignorant.
They simply ignore the facts and studies. Alcohol and Tobacco are 10000000x times worse.

And i'm sure legalizing it would make it cheaper... unless the govt taxes the shit out of it, then it may be more? Another benefit I see is that you can be pretty confident in the product you're getting. The quality should be consistent and you would know exactly what you're getting.
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The only way i can see the legalization of marijuana to be most economically profitable for the government, and to discourage the black market for marijuana is if they mass produced weed to the point where its cheaper than what dealers can offer you. The dealers would have to cut down their profits in order to stay competitive and i doubt anybody could mass produce it to that point other than the government. Doubt that would happen though, since the gov't would probably tax the shit outta it.
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Actually, most people will pay more to obtain something legally. Other wise we'd all have stills in our basements.

MX> It /would/ be taxed the shit out of, I have absolutely no doubt.

But that said, it's kinda hypocritical, we legally allow people to kill themselves (and everyone around them) with cigarettes. We don't have a problem with alcohol or caffine (though we seem to like to pretend these aren't drugs).

Would any of the anti drug legalization people be in favor of banning caffine, alcohol and nicotine?
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ilvtofu, just curious, have you ever tried weed before?
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Actually, most people will pay more to obtain something legally. Other wise we'd all have stills in our basements.

MX> It /would/ be taxed the shit out of, I have absolutely no doubt.

But that said, it's kinda hypocritical, we legally allow people to kill themselves (and everyone around them) with cigarettes. We don't have a problem with alcohol or caffine (though we seem to like to pretend these aren't drugs).

Would any of the anti drug legalization people be in favor of banning caffine, alcohol and nicotine?
The truth is that drug laws are really arbitrary and really depend on the political/commercial climate. Not too long ago opiates were legal but market factors caused it to be controlled and eventually deemed illegal.
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I have no doubt even taxed to shit that legal weed would be cheaper than blackmarket now. Why would it be any more expensive than tobacco to produce?
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There is one matter of contention that hasnt been brought up yet, that being the distinction between "legalization" and "decriminalization"...The former being illegal in the UN charter.
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I have no doubt even taxed to shit that legal weed would be cheaper than blackmarket now. Why would it be any more expensive than tobacco to produce?
how much is blackmarket weed now? Cuz in Cali weed is like $20 a gram, legally.
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I think if we legalize it, it will become another cigarette. We will smoke it out of filters and it will be produced by big companies who put addictive additives in it so they can keep you coming. Just like tobacco turned into.

I wouldn't mind smoking it in public to be legal and having to acquire a growers license to grow it.

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The only way i can see the legalization of marijuana to be most economically profitable for the government, and to discourage the black market for marijuana is if they mass produced weed to the point where its cheaper than what dealers can offer you. The dealers would have to cut down their profits in order to stay competitive and i doubt anybody could mass produce it to that point other than the government. Doubt that would happen though, since the gov't would probably tax the shit outta it.
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Myself, I'd gladly pay more to buy it legally from the government/licensed suppliers than from the black market.

I hate buying anything from the black market.
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^That would mean either "no" or "I tried it once and tripped the fuck out, scurred and will never do it again"
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how much is blackmarket weed now? Cuz in Cali weed is like $20 a gram, legally.
Grey market weed from "grey market dispensary" right now is $7-$10 a gram, same as black market prices.

For "true medicinal users" (defined by having federal cards which require you to go through a specialist recommendation as well as hella lot of paperwork), I'm sure the cost of actually buying the weed is actually cheaper, especially if you didn't apply for the permit to grow, you can be paired with a grower that grows your medicine specifically for you.

For anyone that are interested, the forms that are required can be found in health canada's website here: (this is what the judge was talking about when he was saying that the current program does not work)

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Health Canada is currently taking longer to process applications due to an increase in the number of applications and a lack of government funding. They should acknowledge receipt of the application within 3-5 weeks of receiving it and will indicate if any of the required information is missing. Applications from patients with terminal conditions will be given priority for processing.

Processing time for the application will vary depending on the nature of the applicant's medical condition, and whether all of the necessary information has been received, this can take up to 7 months.

Applicants who are approved will be notified in writing. Many doctors/health professionals may insist that you have previously tried all the mainstream drugs and pharmaceuticals first, for your medical condition, before prescribing marijuana. But that doesn't mean you are required to take them.

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I think if we legalize it, it will become another cigarette. We will smoke it out of filters and it will be produced by big companies who put addictive additives in it so they can keep you coming. Just like tobacco turned into.

I wouldn't mind smoking it in public to be legal and having to acquire a growers license to grow it.

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dont think thats why they put additives. the additives are there to stabilize the growth of mold in the cigarettes. the additives, which are poisonous to us, are also poisonous to mold.

the nicotine is the stuff that gets you addicted. if you have a brand of cigarette with a high amount of nicotine, you'll be addicted more as your tolerance is heightened. you could potentially get MORE addicted to organic brand of cigarettes, which would give your body pure, un-compromised nicotine.

because the unit price for weed is much higher than cigarettes, the government isnt likely to put as much additives in it than companies do with cigarettes. the reason being is that the unit cost per weed is high enough to warrant lower inventories of safety stock, thus requiring no additives.

tl;dr at $5/joint, you can allocate some costs to foregone inventory (due to expiration), so you dont need additives
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lolwut is the proper spelling "Marihuana"?
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Treating pot more like alcohol will spout more pothead anonymous groups and driver's license suspensions, that IMO is a bad thing. As far as booting weed for minors go it's really not that hard at all. Throughout high school I always had friends that were legal and whom we mutually trusted without ever having to worry about the authorities, same would apply for reselling legal marijuana illegally.
There's a certain demographic which may abuse marijuana but that same demographic is also likely to abuse other substances whether they are legal or illegal.

Then there's a demographic which includes people like me, people who go to work, make good money, afford nice things, pay their taxes and live otherwise law-abiding lives who enjoy occasionally using marijuana in their personal time. These people want to be able to do what they enjoy without feeling like criminals.

I have not personally experienced ANYONE in my circle of friends to have ever shown ANY of the stereotypical social problems of marijuana. In fact, one of my best friends who is a HEAVY pot smoker makes more fucking money than me in his job and he didn't even graduate high school!!! While he hated high school and playing by traditional education system rules, he's incredibly intelligent and highly motivated, which is exactly the OPPOSITE of the stereotypical side-effects associated with marijuana.

A few years ago, right after I had moved to Victoria I was out for a walk with the wife at a local park. While we were out on our walk, I hear the flick of a lighter and then smell the distinctive pot smoke. I look over to the direction it was coming from, expecting to see a bunch of kids. It wasn't kids, it was a little old grandma, on the park bench, puffing on a joint! She must have been at least in her late 70's. I thought to myself, what a shame it is that according to our stupid laws this old lady could potentially be arrested, charged, given a criminal record and even do jail time.
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A few years ago, right after I had moved to Victoria I was out for a walk with the wife at a local park. While we were out on our walk, I hear the flick of a lighter and then smell the distinctive pot smoke. I look over to the direction it was coming from, expecting to see a bunch of kids. It wasn't kids, it was a little old grandma, on the park bench, puffing on a joint! She must have been at least in her late 70's. I thought to myself, what a shame it is that according to our stupid laws this old lady could potentially be arrested, charged, given a criminal record and even do jail time.
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Global BC | B.C. municipal leaders vote in favour of decriminalizing marijuana

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If weed is legalized, obviously workplaces will continue to be able to do drug testing.. but I wonder what the legality of discriminating against those who use a (newly legalized) drug will be.

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If weed is legalized, obviously workplaces will continue to be able to do drug testing.. but I wonder what the legality of discriminating against those who use a (newly legalized) drug will be.

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My guess is same as drinking or being drunk at work.
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Yup.

It probably won't change much as it is now. As long as you don't show up under the influence, it should be alright?
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