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Old 06-20-2011, 11:03 PM   #426
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I remember reading a post saying "Be careful what you wish for Canucks fans" - Flyers fan.

I would hands down have Lu as my goalie ANY day of week for my team instead of a goalie grave yard with inconsistent goalies every year. I don't blame Lu for our losses in the finals. It was just bad timing on the injuries we had.

Just look at Philly for an example. They have a stacked team with elite forwards and defencemen. If it wasn't for their inconsistent goaltending, IMO they would be repeat NHL champions.

Goaltending and defense wins championships, remember that.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:05 PM   #427
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repeat? they lost to chicago in the final
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Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.
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Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.
No way would I have put Schneids in game 6. Lu came off of a shutout and he doesn't get the start? That would be a HUGE slap in the face for him [going into game 6]. We can sit here and say "we should've, we could've, we would've put Schneider in for game 6", but we didn't. Leave it at that.

It's a completely different game in the playoffs. Statistics don't mean shit. The underdog can upset the favorite any given day. Mind you, injuries caught up with the team late into the playoffs preventing them from performing the way they did compared to regular season.
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now we wouldn't want Lu to leave and be stuck with goalies like Cloutier, Brochu and Sabourin do we?
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I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.
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I'm so annoyed by all the people that keep assuming Canucks would have won with Schneider in net. Remember, Canucks couldn't even score on Thomas...
Maybe that had something to do with not winning.

Maybe if Canucks PP didn't go 1/65 (or something ridiculous like that), they wouldn't have lost.
And don't even get me started on the people blaming the refs with stats like that.
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Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.
Get Shutout in Game 5 and then get benched for Game 6? lol
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Schneider will have his ups and downs. Every young goalie does and you see many examples. It's a lot different being a backup/noob where nobody knows how you play vs a starter where they have time to figure you out.

As for Luongo vs Thomas (by Kevin Woodley):

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Luongo didn’t change after that, but his team has done a better job since at shutting down the front of his net, including second chances the first two games of the final. Similarly, Thomas didn’t change dramatically after the first two games of this series.

Their differing styles are not always perfect, and won’t always work, but it’s also part of why they’re playing for the Stanley Cup.
He's got some weak parts of his game he can and needs to improve on because they really get exploited. Game 6 was a horrible game for him. I was disappointed AV didn't put Schneider in after 2 goals to give Boston a different look.

At the same time, the "blame Luongo" posts make some of you guys sound really dumb TBH. 15 wins.. selective memory.. time to finger point! Really? In 2011, I don't see any brick wall goalies anymore. Even as fans, meaningful analysis/criticism is productive. Knee-jerk blaming on this scale, I really believe, gets into their heads to some extent.

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I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.
When it came down to a best of three, I saw it as a short tourney like the Olympics. You go with whoever can get the job done. But hindsight is 20/20.
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Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.
Wow I jus---wow.
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Gillis has done a good job of filling gaps and basically not fucking up like a lot of GMs do. I don't thunk he's a "genius" though...
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No way would I have put Schneids in game 6. Lu came off of a shutout and he doesn't get the start?
he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...
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he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...
So what? He had 2 shutouts in 3 home games, isn't that a sign?

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he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...
I dun think any coach has put in their backup goalie in the Stanley Cup finals after their starter got a shut out the game before.

It would have been the boldest move ever made.
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I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.
This.

If we had a 3-0 lead in the series like the CHI series, it would have made for a stronger case to put Corey on for Game 6 and have Lu back in Game 7. However, Lu just came out of a shutout.

The series reminded me of the Flames/Canucks series in 2004. We just got outworked, out-coached, and ran out of gas.
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So what? He had 2 shutouts in 3 home games, isn't that a sign?

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Doesn't seem like GMMG wants to move Ballard, as he openly stated.

If we end up re-signing all of Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Hansen and Lapierre, we will probably no room to acquire a 2nd liner to play alongside Kesler unless we trade, or just bring someone up from the farm.

I'm hoping AV pulls his head out of his arse and give Ballard proper ice time next season, pair him with Tanev, give him 1st/2nd unit PK and 2nd unit PP duties.

1st unit PK: Hamhuis-Ballard or 2nd unit PK: Ballard-Edler/Ehrhoff
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We're not on his wishlist.

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Doesn't seem like GMMG wants to move Ballard, as he openly stated.

If we end up re-signing all of Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Hansen and Lapierre, we will probably no room to acquire a 2nd liner to play alongside Kesler unless we trade, or just bring someone up from the farm.

I'm hoping AV pulls his head out of his arse and give Ballard proper ice time next season, pair him with Tanev, give him 1st/2nd unit PK and 2nd unit PP duties.

1st unit PK: Hamhuis-Ballard or 2nd unit PK: Ballard-Edler/Ehrhoff
2nd unit PP: Ballard-Bieksa/Tanev/Edler (if Samuelsson and Ehrhoff are on the point)

this better not be the case. we need someone who can compete at the NHL level to compliment kesler at his BEST; which is obviously right now. otherwise it's going to continue being a helicopter 2nd line.
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