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Old 04-11-2012, 08:55 PM   #26
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What, how is this worthy of news?

The practice of agreeing to offer hours above 40 per week with the understanding of no OT pay isn't even unusual..
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when i count tills sometimes its down like 20$ and luckily the restaurant eats it and not me

Which subway is this may i ask?
Mine was marine and cambie pretty close to the old A+B Sound, then I moved to the Cloverdale store.

The people I worked for owned like 12 of them around Van at that time. Not sure how many now.
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have u guys read that? i dont really see a problem because that something u sign when YOU request over time. NOT if the boss asks you to work it.

Doesnt make sense from the owners P.O.V to pay me 8hrs + 4hrs over time. when he can just hire some one part-time for the over time?

Thats like me asking my Boss, "Hey im done my 8hrs, im gonna stick around and work another 4 so u have to pay me 1.5xhrs ok?"
I hear what you are saying, but this kind of attitude will make us become more like 3rd world countries. This owner is knowingly breaking labour laws so he doesn't have to pay higher wages. Plus the owner is doing something illegal to create a competitive advantage over his competitors (well except for Chinese and asian places). These laws take decades to form to protect workers rights and actions like these are undermining these laws.

I for one don't want us to be like other countries where we work 12 hours a day, have little workers rights or have the mentality where I have to arrive before my boss and leave after my boss. However I know there are many on this forum that are from a culture where this is prominent.
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I see both sides of this argument, I just think it's a little too easy for the managers/owners to exploit the employees with this sort of thing.
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Employees sign the form in fear of getting fired. Standing up to your boss in this situation is intimidating, if you do, you will probably get fired. A less fortunate person may really need the job and isn't willing to sacrifice it. It's also plain and simply illegal as stated in the Canada Labour Standards Hours of Work and Overtime Pay
If u read ur own link,

Modified Work Schedules

The term "modified work schedules" includes compressed work weeks and flexible hours of work. For example, workers scheduled to work 10 hours per day, 4 days a week are said to be on a modified work schedule.An employer may establish a modified work schedule or modify an existing schedule under which the hours of work may exceed the standard hours if workers agree and certain conditions are met. Where there is a trade union involved, there must be written agreement between the employer and the union to adopt a new work schedule or to cancel or modify an existing one.

That's what the form is for. You as the employee has every right to say NO i don't accept your offer.

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I hear what you are saying, but this kind of attitude will make us become more like 3rd world countries. This owner is knowingly breaking labour laws so he doesn't have to pay higher wages. Plus the owner is doing something illegal to create a competitive advantage over his competitors (well except for Chinese and asian places). These laws take decades to form to protect workers rights and actions like these are undermining these laws.

I for one don't want us to be like other countries where we work 12 hours a day, have little workers rights or have the mentality where I have to arrive before my boss and leave after my boss. However I know there are many on this forum that are from a culture where this is prominent.
I hear ya but in your example, people are FORCED to work the 12hrs without OT pay. You have a choice here in Canada, that's the difference. And ya the boss may not be there ALL the time, but he takes the stress and whats what hes paid for. If ur company gets sued, guess whos sweating bullets.


I've tried to work more hours at my own work, however im declined due to the fact that IM asking for it. I would honesty rather work an extra 4hrs with same wage, i don't have to waste time getting into my car and driving out to my second job. ( maybe its cuz im a workaholic sry )
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I was a manager for Subway for a couple of years before I went to school.

Um. Let's see.

As a manager I was expected to make sure the till was even with sales. So if one of my employees lost $10..I had to pay it.

As an employee, if you lost $10, you were supposed to pay it(so I didn't have to)

Sometimes there would be an overage in the till. That became the "rainy day fund" for when the till was short. Sometimes we had to make it rain because I was sick of topping it up. Guess how one would make it rain.

If someone dropped a fake bill in the store, it was "suggested" that I go and bomb another place with it so that I didn't have to pay it myself.

Oh. Food cost was everything. So we didn't throw stuff out. Tuna not a big seller? That's ok. There are more people tomorrow.

Cheat the meat. Enough said.

Yeah, I don't feel so bad for a guy that wants to help you out with more hours, but can't do it without paying you overtime. If you want overtime, I'll just hire another kid at straight pay. Your choice.
I've never really worked in a retail/fast food job, so I could be wrong here, BUT... I thought employers aren't allowed to charge employees for things like that? It's like a restaurant manager forcing you to pay for someone's meal if they do a dine and dash. It's not your fault, so why the hell would they make you pay for it?
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West Can Auto Parts doesn`t Pay overtime either and I was forced to work six day weeks.
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West Can Auto Parts doesn`t Pay overtime either and I was forced to work six day weeks.
As a PT or FT employee though?
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I was a manager for Subway for a couple of years before I went to school.

Um. Let's see.

As a manager I was expected to make sure the till was even with sales. So if one of my employees lost $10..I had to pay it.

As an employee, if you lost $10, you were supposed to pay it(so I didn't have to)

Sometimes there would be an overage in the till. That became the "rainy day fund" for when the till was short. Sometimes we had to make it rain because I was sick of topping it up. Guess how one would make it rain.

If someone dropped a fake bill in the store, it was "suggested" that I go and bomb another place with it so that I didn't have to pay it myself.

Oh. Food cost was everything. So we didn't throw stuff out. Tuna not a big seller? That's ok. There are more people tomorrow.

Cheat the meat. Enough said.
wow i'm pretty speechless at the counterfeit bill part from upper mgmt...it's like stepping on dog shit then wiping it off on someone's carpet hoping they didn't see it.
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I've never really worked in a retail/fast food job, so I could be wrong here, BUT... I thought employers aren't allowed to charge employees for things like that? It's like a restaurant manager forcing you to pay for someone's meal if they do a dine and dash. It's not your fault, so why the hell would they make you pay for it?
LOL...no offense, but isn't that the point of my story?

The beautiful part is there wasn't forms for most of it like in this story. There was one that people were supposed to sign basically taking responsibility for the till with the term of "I understand that under normal operations there should be no shortages...therefore blah blah blah"

It literally was one of the dumbest places to work, but i got paid fairly well for what I did.
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I hear what you are saying, but this kind of attitude will make us become more like 3rd world countries. This owner is knowingly breaking labour laws so he doesn't have to pay higher wages. Plus the owner is doing something illegal to create a competitive advantage over his competitors (well except for Chinese and asian places). These laws take decades to form to protect workers rights and actions like these are undermining these laws.

I for one don't want us to be like other countries where we work 12 hours a day, have little workers rights or have the mentality where I have to arrive before my boss and leave after my boss. However I know there are many on this forum that are from a culture where this is prominent.
The axe swings both ways. I spent a lot of my younger years in entry level crap jobs like this; both at the bottom and at the top. For every competent worker, you get TEN useless piles of crap. Worker rights are great, but the way we have it, it sets it up to foster useless employees. From personal experience, most over-time at these big box food joints accumulates not because the store is unexpectedly busy, but because your employees can't finish the tasks such as closing duties. And if you've worked at places like McDicks/Subway/Starbucks, you know it's something ONE person can do half-assed in half the time corporate expects you to; while serving customers. So you can imagine how little someone has to work if they can't do it in the time corporate allots.

Maybe you should actually visit these 3rd world countries, and compare their work efficiency to ours. Their top notch work isn't from being exploited, it's from honoring and taking pride in what they do. (not that I approve of how they're treated nonetheless)
They respect and appreciate every cent they make (and deserve to make more), while we bitch about every cent we don't make (and we sure as hell don't deserve more).

While everyone bitches about horrible 1st world employers are, no one stops to realize that the employees are just as bad if not worse.
The axe swings both ways:

Would you pay someone to wash your car if all they did is take a barb-wire mitt all over it?
Would you pay someone to clean your house if all they did is take a shit in all your rooms?

And on the flip side,
you wouldn't wash someone's car if they took a piss on you while you did it.
and you wouldn't clean someone's house if they spat on you while you did it.


Yet people can bitch all day long about how employers need to pay employees more, and we need to protect employee rights. But employers can't bitch that their shit employees don't even deserve a fraction of the minimum wage, and no one's compensating them for the shit work ethic of their employees.
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If u read ur own link,

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The term "modified work schedules" includes compressed work weeks and flexible hours of work. For example, workers scheduled to work 10 hours per day, 4 days a week are said to be on a modified work schedule.An employer may establish a modified work schedule or modify an existing schedule under which the hours of work may exceed the standard hours if workers agree and certain conditions are met. Where there is a trade union involved, there must be written agreement between the employer and the union to adopt a new work schedule or to cancel or modify an existing one.

That's what the form is for. You as the employee has every right to say NO i don't accept your offer.


I don't know if many of you know. But that right there is basically the averaging agreement. Basically, the employer can have you work up to 12 hours a day on regular pay, and up to 40 hours a week. Anything after that, will be overtime. Of course, from what I gather from what i've read, the guy is avoiding overtime pay all together... so... i don't know. Just thought i'd share that little bit of info.


Also, for the dine and dash comment... if that ever happens, it comes out of the server's tips from my understanding
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I don't see anything wrong with the agreement.

Then again, I work salary and don't get paid for extra hours at all...
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I hear what you are saying, but this kind of attitude will make us become more like 3rd world countries. This owner is knowingly breaking labour laws so he doesn't have to pay higher wages. Plus the owner is doing something illegal to create a competitive advantage over his competitors (well except for Chinese and asian places). These laws take decades to form to protect workers rights and actions like these are undermining these laws.

I for one don't want us to be like other countries where we work 12 hours a day, have little workers rights or have the mentality where I have to arrive before my boss and leave after my boss. However I know there are many on this forum that are from a culture where this is prominent.
I find this situation closely resembling big corporations that rely on part-time workers so they don't have to pay any benefits. They might not make you sign a form such as this, but they just won't schedule you any hours over and above.

Solution: owner should have just hired his employees all as part-timers or cap the full-time hours at 40 no exceptions.
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Is this really that different from any other fast food place?
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heads up for those who live in my hood in east vancouver, grandview hwy / renfrew and the new broadway and nainimo is SHIT!

They are so cheap on toppings and cut so thinly
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Not here to debate whether or not this is right or wrong, but I will say this.

As a "sandwich artist", you aren't exactly in high demand, as such you likely have little to no negotiating power with your current employer. So if you don't like your employer pushing you into a grey area of the labor laws (Though this is actually legal and common practice with many employers), get some training or education and get a "career"... not a "job".

Otherwise, shut your face and don't skimp on the tomatos.

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