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Old 04-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #51
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I totally agree. On paper, going to school was dumb financially for the first year. I made exactly the same as I did managing stores.

However, I was topped out with fat food, and starting with a real company. For me, even if I was banking 75 prr year, I would still make the change from a respect pov. Who, besides my ex, wants to be managing fast food in your 40's?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:29 AM   #52
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I totally agree. On paper, going to school was dumb financially for the first year. I made exactly the same as I did managing stores.

However, I was topped out with fat food, and starting with a real company. For me, even if I was banking 75 prr year, I would still make the change from a respect pov. Who, besides my ex, wants to be managing fast food in your 40's?
My buddy in his 30's makes a lot of money managing fast food. Mind you his father in law owns 7 or 8 McDonalds and he bounces between them helping to run them. His father in law actually started out as a cashier in his teens, worked his way through the system and into head office, helping open up locations overseas before finally making enough money and buying his first location. He's been buying another location every year or two for a while. I have a lot of respect for him because he really did start at the bottom and worked his way up.

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Old 04-12-2012, 11:34 AM   #53
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The axe swings both ways. I spent a lot of my younger years in entry level crap jobs like this; both at the bottom and at the top. For every competent worker, you get TEN useless piles of crap. Worker rights are great, but the way we have it, it sets it up to foster useless employees. From personal experience, most over-time at these big box food joints accumulates not because the store is unexpectedly busy, but because your employees can't finish the tasks such as closing duties. And if you've worked at places like McDicks/Subway/Starbucks, you know it's something ONE person can do half-assed in half the time corporate expects you to; while serving customers. So you can imagine how little someone has to work if they can't do it in the time corporate allots.

Maybe you should actually visit these 3rd world countries, and compare their work efficiency to ours. Their top notch work isn't from being exploited, it's from honoring and taking pride in what they do. (not that I approve of how they're treated nonetheless)
They respect and appreciate every cent they make (and deserve to make more), while we bitch about every cent we don't make (and we sure as hell don't deserve more).

While everyone bitches about horrible 1st world employers are, no one stops to realize that the employees are just as bad if not worse.
The axe swings both ways:

Would you pay someone to wash your car if all they did is take a barb-wire mitt all over it?
Would you pay someone to clean your house if all they did is take a shit in all your rooms?

And on the flip side,
you wouldn't wash someone's car if they took a piss on you while you did it.
and you wouldn't clean someone's house if they spat on you while you did it.

Yet people can bitch all day long about how employers need to pay employees more, and we need to protect employee rights. But employers can't bitch that their shit employees don't even deserve a fraction of the minimum wage, and no one's compensating them for the shit work ethic of their employees.
It does swing both ways. I agree, western workers are overall very lazy compared to workers in 3rd world countries. But employers in those countries are very very corrupt and abuse their powers because they know they can. Don't like do it, fine, ill just fire you and hire the 10 other guys waiting in line to do this shiet job.

Even here in Canada, we have a lot of managers that abuse their powers, when I was younger working in labour jobs, I was told to do a lot of tasks that now looking back, was unsafe and could have badly injured me. I didn't know any better and also it was pretty good pay for my age so I just shut up and did it as I needed the money and I was from a poor family. It's harder for me the employee to go find another job. But its very easy for the employer to do screening and interviews and hire the right employee and also fire or hire other employees (unless you are in a damn union, but that's another topic I won't get into).

It's a moral, ethical and cultural thing basically. They way the system works there's always excess supply of labour and unemployment to help companies with low wages to increase their profits. As a former employer, I feel it's my job to make sure I'm not taking advantage of my guys.
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