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Old 05-22-2012, 06:24 PM   #26
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North America Union, much? The more I read about news like this, the more I think those conspiracy theorists may have gotten some of it right all along.

This is wrong on so many levels.
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Fuck that shit. Keep the US in their own country. This should NOT be happening. Yet another reason I fully do not support the Harper govnt.
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Sovereignty is dead.

The way I see it, the concept of a global community seems fairly likely, where soverign nations will gradually coalesce to the extent that whether a physical border exists or not will be of little consequence.

How do I feel about it? To be honest, I'm happy that we share our border with only one country, and I'm not terribly upset that it's the United States.. Sooner of later there will come a time that our geographic location will be a major advantage. North America is, in comparison with most other parts of the world rich in many ways. We have a low population concentration, an abundance of virtually every natural resource, high standards of education, a reasonable climate for agriculture, a well established political structure and legal system, modern/developed infrastructure, and an ocean seperating us from most geo and socio pollitical issues that cause a lot of trouble in other parts of the world.

Mehh does it really matter if there FBI agents are here? It's not like they don't have embassy's and military bases all over the world... so what's the difference really? Like there wasn't agents here for the last 70 years anyway...
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National defense authorization act. Look it up. Been implimented for quite some time now, FBI/CIA etc can detain you for no reason at all withno chance of going to court either if you are found doing "terriorist" type activities.
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^^^ "does it really matter", when a thing like this out of the blue happens when we deal with security just fine then yes it does matter

shit like this doesn't get denied, i'm going to try and see if there's a way to veto this by mailing mayor or something like that

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Canada will be part of the united states of America.
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How does this even work? So will the criminal face a Canadian judge or a us judge if they are caught in Canada by FBI/CIA/donutcop. Unless a person has a warrant, then a person caught in Canada by US law enforcement cannot be forced to go to the US to face a judge. This is gonna be a nightmare for the courts and the justice system.
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I have no problem with US officials pursuing suspects into Canadian borders. All these "police state" comments are pretty asinine. If Harper was to do the opposite you hippies would call him soft on crime. Can't win with the tree hugging crowd of BC.
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I have no problem with US officials pursuing suspects into Canadian borders. All these "police state" comments are pretty asinine. If Harper was to do the opposite you hippies would call him soft on crime. Can't win with the tree hugging crowd of BC.
lol are you even aware of what's been happening in the US in 2011/12?
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stephen harper needs to go...

when can he be replaced?
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wonder how this will affect people pirating content
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Is this fact, or is this hyperbole?
"Politician X is a monster and he's out to kill your babies. Don't make me say I told you so." This seems to be the pattern year after year, election after election.. even look at US politics - it's way worse. Obama's gonna unplug your grandma from life support cuz he's an evil arab - ROAARR..

People say high frequency traders are like rats who offer nothing to society. They might have a point, but I think emotional political junkies are also like rats who add nothing productive, in fact crowd out productive discussion...

Anyway, here's some more information on that shiprider program (step 2 to 3) I think does a better job of describing things more accurately, just on the crime prevention point of view. You might still not like it, but at least base it on the facts, right?

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5. Shiprider becomes Landrider: This could be the single most important initiative on the law-enforcement side. A current pilot program called Shiprider allows vessels manned by integrated teams of Canadian and American police officers to cross back and forth across the maritime border, operating under Canadian command and Canadians laws on our side, American command and American laws on theirs. The goal is to expand the program to create specially-badged bi-national law-enforcement teams on land and sea.

None of the three dozen or so items in the action plan requires a treaty or legislation. It can pretty much all be done through executive order in both countries. But implementing the agreement will cost money to improve border infrastructure and acquire sophisticated software.
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Well they proposed a law in the US that doesn't allow anyone to leave the country if you owe the IRS $. Problem is theres no judge or jury so they can say you owe them and never produce any evidence of such yet you can't travel. LOLZ.

All I know is if tsa starts showing up in canadian airports and molesting people........It's time to make a stand.
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I can see something like this at sea. It makes sense.

You have someone that you are pursuing and they run for the "border", which is in quotes because at sea there really is no border.

If you are RCMP and you see a smuggler, or a boat filled with illegal immigrants and you pursue and then have to stop because you ran out of map and watch them sail away, knowing that US backup cannot be there in time, that would be both frustrating and a pretty big loophole.

So if you have an agreement in place that you can call in, and be authorized to pursue due to a bilateral agreement...I'm ok with that.

I don't feel we need to have the FBI on the streets of Vancouver saying "you intend to sell this in America" and take you out, and you disappear to US jail for 30 years. Oh, and then get charged money for the privilege.

We have our own police and our own laws. If I wanted to live in the states, I would have moved there when you could make way more money there than in Canada.
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so... the harper government is bending over to Obama and taking it in the ass and we have to suffer....

all I have to say is that the Canadian citizens better not get harassed by the stupid american officials
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How do I feel about it? To be honest, I'm happy that we share our border with only one country, and I'm not terribly upset that it's the United States.. Sooner of later there will come a time that our geographic location will be a major advantage. North America is, in comparison with most other parts of the world rich in many ways. We have a low population concentration, an abundance of virtually every natural resource, high standards of education, a reasonable climate for agriculture, a well established political structure and legal system, modern/developed infrastructure, and an ocean seperating us from most geo and socio pollitical issues that cause a lot of trouble in other parts of the world.
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1) So your willing to accept that we could become a "state" of the USA. Which would mean that we would get fucked over aswell with their failing economy, debts to everyone around the world (two fold), their shitty government, and all their shit about "war fixes everything." Wait until you get drafted, then you'll be making a stink.

2) Low population? Not when all the fucking Americans decide that Canada is a better, more open place to live.. especially with all that cleaner drinking water, and all that space to kill forests and build megamalls. Lets not forget we "sold" millions of dollars of OUR WATER to California which we still haven't seen a dollar from for years...

3) Our legal system sucks. If you just recently watched the news.. There was a lady whose "air freshner" fell and she had to fix it.. instead of leaving it on the ground in her car. She struck 2 people, killed 1 and put the other into critical care. She got a FINE OF $1500?!?! for driving without due care.


I don't mean this as a personal attack, just that this one paragraph was just... If you can tell me HOW we could benefit from ANYTHING from the USA, please... let me know. I can only think of military defense, and they make enough enemies that I'd rather not be associated with them.
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