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I love these type of threads. Anti-American sentiment really comes out in full force by all the keyboard warriors.
It's not like the FBI is going to be wandering around Robson St, looking for people illegally downloading music or movies. They may end up being classified as "police" in Canada, but they will still follow Canadian laws. The main objective of this project is to allow those in "hot pursuit" to cross a border instead of them crossing their fingers, hoping that an RCMP force will be there waiting for the perp the FBI is following. The USA already has problems with this very issue when crossing states, and it just becomes an even bigger issue of red tape when criminals cross a border. This is intended to help bring back a criminal they're chasing without having to wait for multiple government departments to give the okay before they can have a couple Mounties start looking for them. That's the gist of it. Is there a possibility that it can be opened to other, less loveable means? Of course. But that doesn't mean that it will. And you can't live life dwelling on the possibilities of everything. Hell, there's a chance I'll be struck by lightning while doing a jig on the roof of my house, but that's the risk I run of doing such an action. I can't fault nature for it.
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^ i don't buy that, something about this isn't really right
and which criminals actually escaped into canada before? ..
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This wouldn't be necessary if Canada's justice system had some fucking balls and locked up or buried criminals like they're supposed to instead of slapping them on the wrist and saying "be nice now".
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Originally Posted by Alpha v2 ^ i don't buy that, something about this isn't really right
and which criminals actually escaped into canada before? .. | Plenty. I live by the border and, on the occasional night time drive, you can actually see people hopping the border.
That aside, I know there have been plenty of real criminals that have come into Canada in order to evade persecution. Hell, even if you think back to 'Nam and the Gulf War v2... soldiers coming into Canada to avoid a tour are considered criminals of a sort (just not techncially on the same sort of scale as mob bosses, murderers and rapists).
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Originally Posted by Lomac I love these type of threads. Anti-American sentiment really comes out in full force by all the keyboard warriors.
It's not like the FBI is going to be wandering around Robson St, looking for people illegally downloading music or movies. They may end up being classified as "police" in Canada, but they will still follow Canadian laws. The main objective of this project is to allow those in "hot pursuit" to cross a border instead of them crossing their fingers, hoping that an RCMP force will be there waiting for the perp the FBI is following. The USA already has problems with this very issue when crossing states, and it just becomes an even bigger issue of red tape when criminals cross a border. This is intended to help bring back a criminal they're chasing without having to wait for multiple government departments to give the okay before they can have a couple Mounties start looking for them. That's the gist of it. Is there a possibility that it can be opened to other, less loveable means? Of course. But that doesn't mean that it will. And you can't live life dwelling on the possibilities of everything. Hell, there's a chance I'll be struck by lightning while doing a jig on the roof of my house, but that's the risk I run of doing such an action. I can't fault nature for it. | How can you be so sure that they wont be wandering our streets down the road especially when we haven't been given any guarantee. The title of the article is "RCMP to ease Canadians into the idea of U.S agents in Canada" and you even say "there is a possibility it can be opened to other, less lovable means" make up your mind. And if they cant even cross into some states in some cases why should we let them cross our border? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lomac Plenty. I live by the border and, on the occasional night time drive, you can actually see people hopping the border.
That aside, I know there have been plenty of real criminals that have come into Canada in order to evade persecution. Hell, even if you think back to 'Nam and the Gulf War v2... soldiers coming into Canada to avoid a tour are considered criminals of a sort (just not techncially on the same sort of scale as mob bosses, murderers and rapists). | If this is true, and you always see people hopping the border (I call BS) well why aren't we beefing up border security? If you can see them so should authorities. We could just use drones in that case to track and apprehend them. Personally I'm fine with them crossing into our seas but not land we should just use better communication & share intelligence so our officials are ready to arrest the suspects. Allowing US agents to be classified as police in Canada is a slippery slope.
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Look like were slowly turning into one country... but, but i was raised in canada for the freedom.
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Originally Posted by moonlightmaskman Canada will be part of the united states of America. | Quote:
Originally Posted by melloman Bolded words:
1) So your willing to accept that we could become a "state" of the USA. Which would mean that we would get fucked over aswell with their failing economy, debts to everyone around the world (two fold), their shitty government, and all their shit about "war fixes everything." Wait until you get drafted, then you'll be making a stink.
2) Low population? Not when all the fucking Americans decide that Canada is a better, more open place to live.. especially with all that cleaner drinking water, and all that space to kill forests and build megamalls. Lets not forget we "sold" millions of dollars of OUR WATER to California which we still haven't seen a dollar from for years...
3) Our legal system sucks. If you just recently watched the news.. There was a lady whose "air freshner" fell and she had to fix it.. instead of leaving it on the ground in her car. She struck 2 people, killed 1 and put the other into critical care. She got a FINE OF $1500?!?! for driving without due care.
I don't mean this as a personal attack, just that this one paragraph was just...  If you can tell me HOW we could benefit from ANYTHING from the USA, please... let me know. I can only think of military defense, and they make enough enemies that I'd rather not be associated with them. |
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05-23-2012, 04:46 PM
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This reminds me of what happened with Marc Emery. Weren't DEA agents operating in Canada when they took him down?
I was disturbed to hear that this was happening back then, I'm even more disturbed now.
Sorry I can't take this kind of thing lightly, you open the door a crack and it's only a matter of time before they (U.S.) want it wide open. I trust these politicians and government agencies as far as I can throw them.
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Not to mention, I would wager quite a few complaints come the people who bemoan the long line up into WA for their gas / grocery runs.
The reality is US want to close / secured border to keep them happy in their haha fantasy world. We have to compromise.
Honestly I rather the US come over and catches fugitives like Lai ChangXing for us and deport them.. we keep on trading with China. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lomac I love these type of threads. Anti-American sentiment really comes out in full force by all the keyboard warriors.
It's not like the FBI is going to be wandering around Robson St, looking for people illegally downloading music or movies. They may end up being classified as "police" in Canada, but they will still follow Canadian laws. The main objective of this project is to allow those in "hot pursuit" to cross a border instead of them crossing their fingers, hoping that an RCMP force will be there waiting for the perp the FBI is following. The USA already has problems with this very issue when crossing states, and it just becomes an even bigger issue of red tape when criminals cross a border. This is intended to help bring back a criminal they're chasing without having to wait for multiple government departments to give the okay before they can have a couple Mounties start looking for them. That's the gist of it. Is there a possibility that it can be opened to other, less loveable means? Of course. But that doesn't mean that it will. And you can't live life dwelling on the possibilities of everything. Hell, there's a chance I'll be struck by lightning while doing a jig on the roof of my house, but that's the risk I run of doing such an action. I can't fault nature for it. | | |
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05-23-2012, 05:42 PM
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05-23-2012, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by melloman Bolded words:
1) So your willing to accept that we could become a "state" of the USA. Which would mean that we would get fucked over aswell with their failing economy, debts to everyone around the world (two fold), their shitty government, and all their shit about "war fixes everything." Wait until you get drafted, then you'll be making a stink.
2) Low population? Not when all the fucking Americans decide that Canada is a better, more open place to live.. especially with all that cleaner drinking water, and all that space to kill forests and build megamalls. Lets not forget we "sold" millions of dollars of OUR WATER to California which we still haven't seen a dollar from for years...
3) Our legal system sucks. If you just recently watched the news.. There was a lady whose "air freshner" fell and she had to fix it.. instead of leaving it on the ground in her car. She struck 2 people, killed 1 and put the other into critical care. She got a FINE OF $1500?!?! for driving without due care.
I don't mean this as a personal attack, just that this one paragraph was just... If you can tell me HOW we could benefit from ANYTHING from the USA, please... let me know. I can only think of military defense, and they make enough enemies that I'd rather not be associated with them. | Everything I said was in based on a comparison of sharing our borders with say.. Iran... Bangladesh... Lebanon.. etc. I see it from the perspective that we are somewhat fortunate to have the USA as neighbors.. maybe you like fundamentalist Muslims living next door but I do not.
1) It's not a matter of America "taking over" Canada.. I don't know why you seem to think that Canada and the USA are so different, when was the last time Canadian troops weren't fighting right along side American troops? Americans are just like Canadians, sure some of them fall into the category of being inbred southerners, but we have people like that too, newfies. Also, why do you suggest America's economy is so much worse than Canada's? Perhaps you should look at what Canada might be getting iteself into with a consumer debt/housing bubble.. we as a people are more in debt than the USA per capita.
2) And on the subject of population density: (2005 figures)
•North America - 32 people per square mile
•South America - 73 people per square mile
•Europe - 134 people per square mile
•Asia - 203 people per square mile
•Africa - 65 people per square mile
•Australia - 6.4 people per square mile
Even if Canada was to go from 9 people per square mile to 32.. it would be nothing compared to other parts of the world, if you don't believe North America is in a great position in terms of resources/person.. you're only fooling yourself.
3) Our legal system sucks? Nice to know you studied law, I will say that no legal system is perfect and that is obvious, but again, compared to many other parts of the world it is far better, and compared to other modern democratic nations it is certainly no more flawed.
You bitch about the American government? Well how much better is our Canadian government if they just "bend over and do whatever America tells them too".. want to bitch about something why not get going on NAFTA... and that was enacted in 1994, under Liberal leader Jean Chretien.
Canada debt to GDP is currently at 83.5%, it was at one time 92% back in 1996, the united states is sitting at 103% and that's after an increase of 30% over the last 4 years due to a massive financial crash.
In terms of debt to population:
People/Debt
Canada: 34,108,752/ 1.20 Trillion
USA: 311,591,917 / 15.32 Trillion
So Canada has roughly 20% less public debt/person than the USA... with our resource base and low population, it's not exactly something to be proud of considering we basically drop our shorts and give away resources and money.. and tax the fuck out of everyone.
If you don't think an implosion of Canada's housing market wouldn't push our Debt/GDP way above that of the states.. you need to do more reading. Nevermind our mortgages are federally insured, shifting the financial burden of a collapse directly to the public.
Ultimately I just can't understand why so many of you seem "anti-american", the people of both countries are very much alike, you will realize this when you spend time on the other side of the world. Also the comments that make America sound like some horrible wasteland.. maybe you need to spend more time there.. North America as a whole is beautiful IMO.
Mehhh... this is basically a Harper hating thread anyway lol.
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05-23-2012, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo want to bitch about something why not get going on NAFTA... and that was enacted in 1994, under Liberal leader Jean Chretien. | NAFTA was 90% Brian Mulroney and George Bush Sr. They signed an agreement to have it ratified in 1992.
Jean Chretien just didn't have the balls to say fuck off to Bill Clinton (they were both elected just before ratification) and cancel the whole thing.
Sorry but you can't even come close to pegging it all on Chretien.
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05-23-2012, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 NAFTA was 90% Brian Mulroney and George Bush Sr. They signed an agreement to have it ratified in 1992.
Jean Chretien just didn't have the balls to say fuck off to Bill Clinton (they were both elected just before ratification) and cancel the whole thing.
Sorry but you can't even come close to pegging it all on Chretien. | Just like you said, Jean Chretien "didn't have the balls to say fuck off to bill clinton"... well I guess Harper doesn't have the balls to say fuck off to Obama.
So what' the difference if you vote Conservative or Liberal??? Not sure I can tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo Just like you said, Jean Chretien "didn't have the balls to say fuck off to bill clinton"... well I guess Harper doesn't have the balls to say fuck off to Obama.
So what' the difference if you vote Conservative or Liberal??? Not sure I can tell the difference. | A) I don't know about you, but I find a HUGE difference between free trade concessions and allowing another country's law enforcement to operate in our country.
B) You missed the part where Mulroney and Bush SIGNED an agreement to have NAFTA ratified. Which generally means big penalties should one of the countries back off.
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05-23-2012, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonturbo Just like you said, Jean Chretien "didn't have the balls to say fuck off to bill clinton"... well I guess Harper doesn't have the balls to say fuck off to Obama.
So what' the difference if you vote Conservative or Liberal??? Not sure I can tell the difference. | Chretien as a Lib didn't cancel the deal, but Mulroney as a PC made it happen.
Harper as a Con is now doing exactly what Mulroney did, which is nothing like Chretien, he's brokering entirely new ones and making other moves to Americanize Canada.
I don't see how you could draw a comparison between what Chretien did and what Harper is doing.
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Harper as a Con is now doing exactly what Mulroney did, which is nothing like Chretien, he's brokering entirely new ones and making other moves to Americanize Canada.
| Was just about to edit my post to state exactly this.
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instead of posting on RS, has anyone written to their local MP about this?
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Originally Posted by Great68 A) I don't know about you, but I find a HUGE difference between free trade concessions and allowing another country's law enforcement to operate in our country.
B) You missed the part where Mulroney and Bush SIGNED an agreement to have NAFTA ratified. Which generally means big penalties should one of the countries back off. | Hey bud, I'm just quoting what you said.. lol.
If it makes you feel better, I can go google happy and find a million things people hated about the Liberal Govt.. or any other party for that matter.
I hate the idea of increasing social spending, I would sooner have FBI agents walking the streets than pay for anymore of these socialist handout programs put forth by the Libs/NDP.
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Originally Posted by PiuYi instead of posting on RS, has anyone written to their local MP about this? | Yes, and I encourage any person who feels strongly about any given political issue to do the same. It takes approximately the same amount of time to write an intelligent post on RS as it does to express your thoughts to your MP. Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo Hey bud, I'm just quoting what you said.. lol.
If it makes you feel better, I can go google happy and find a million things people hated about the Liberal Govt.. or any other party for that matter.
I hate the idea of increasing social spending, I would sooner have FBI agents walking the streets than pay for anymore of these socialist handout programs put forth by the Libs/NDP.
See below for conservative rant: | As if the Cons are infallible and operate government with an efficient model. The Cons actively spend tax dollars and give away potential revenue, just like every government worldwide.
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Originally Posted by A$AProcky How can you be so sure that they wont be wandering our streets down the road especially when we haven't been given any guarantee. The title of the article is "RCMP to ease Canadians into the idea of U.S agents in Canada" and you even say "there is a possibility it can be opened to other, less lovable means" make up your mind. And if they cant even cross into some states in some cases why should we let them cross our border? | What if it was an integrated team under Canadian orders following Canadian laws when in Canada, and vice versa when in the US, with authority to pursue crime across the border? We follow a similar command structure with NORAD where sometimes a Canadian is in charge and other times it's an American. Are there things we should be worried about NORAD?
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Until you kids stop complaining on internet forums and actually voice your opinion to your local politician, nothing will change.
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What I heard...4 person crew on ship...3 Cdn and 1 US or 3 US and 1 Cdn. When they go into US waters the US crew enforce the US laws, assisted by Cdn Cop...when they come into Cdn waters they enforce Cdn laws. In Canada the Cdn Cop is in charge, in the US the US Cop is in charge.
This is nothing new, my son is working for NORAD in Washington. He is in the Canadian Air Force but commands US troops. They had US Air Force members working for NORAD in the "hole" in North Bay Ontario. US Cops take training from the RCMP in Canada and Canadian Munis and RCMP take training from US Cops in the US. The criminals work across borders...why not the good guys?
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