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Old 05-22-2012, 02:07 PM   #1
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DEA & FBI soon to be on Canadian streets (no conspiracy)

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According to an article in Embassy Magazine, the Harper government is moving forward on several initiatives that could give U.S. FBI and DEA agents the ability to pursue suspects in Canada.
But, according to a RCMP officer, they're doing it in "baby steps."
"We recognized early that this approach would raise concerns about sovereignty, of privacy, and civil liberties of Canadians," RCMP Chief Superintendent Joe Oliver, the Mounties' director general for border integrity, told the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence on May 14.
"We said 'Let's take baby steps, let's start with two agencies to test the concept, let's demonstrate to Canadians and Americans that such an approach might work."
Baby step 1, according to Embassy Magazine, has already happened in the form cross border pilot projects allowing Canadian and American agents in each others waters.
Step 2 is the 'Shiprider' program which will make it permanently legal for U.S. agents to be certified as police in Canadian waters. This is on track to be passed into law by the Harper government's omnibus budget bill, C-38.
And step 3, is to roll out cross-border policing over land.
Embassy also notes that the government is not ruling out U.S. aerial surveillance over Canadian land.
These initiatives are part of the much-touted perimeter security initiative between Washington and Ottawa, designed to provide a thicker wall of security around the continent while easing trade barriers at the borders.
Critics have bemoaned the loss of Canada's jurisdiction and sovereignty over the new policing measures but Canadian officials insist it's needed.
"Criminals are exploiting the fact that we have to respect our boundaries and we have to stop at the border," Oliver said.
"We've had instances where we've engaged in the attempts to interdict vessels in our shared waterways, and the vessel has fled into the other territory and has escaped apprehension."
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The RCMP is planning to ease Canadians into the idea of United States law enforcement agents pursuing suspects across the land border and onto Canadian soil through "baby steps," say two top Mounties.

"We recognized early that this approach would raise concerns about sovereignty, of privacy, and civil liberties of Canadians," RCMP Chief Superintendent Joe Oliver, the Mounties' director general for border integrity, told the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence on May 14.

"We said 'Let's take baby steps, let's start with two agencies to test the concept, let's demonstrate to Canadians and Americans that such an approach might work."

Mike Cabana, RCMP deputy commissioner for federal policing, also used the metaphor for an incremental approach in comments he made just before Mr. Oliver's.

"First of all, the discussion started with respect to marine environments. And secondly, baby steps," he said. A marine-based version "was seen as probably the most logical place to start to explore the possibilities."

Both officials were responding to a question by Conservative Senator Don Plett, who hails from Manitoba, as to why the Mounties hadn't gone further with Shiprider—the colloquial term for Integrated Cross-Border Maritime Law Enforcement Operations.

That program will make it permanently legal for United States agents to be certified as police in Canadian waters. It is on track to be passed into law by the majority Harper government as part of its budget bill, C-38, in the form of amendments to the RCMP Act, the Criminal Code, and the Customs Act.

The plan to roll out cross-border policing over land is to start this summer, according to the Canada-US perimeter security plan.

The RCMP has told Embassy this land-based program could give US Federal Bureau of Investigation and Drug Enforcement Administration agents the ability to pursue suspects on Canadian soil.

Embassy has also revealed that the government is not ruling out that aerial police surveillance over land will occur as a result of the current amendments.

As a result, opposition members and academic observers raised several questions around national jurisdiction and police accountability.

But both Public Safety Canada and the RCMP say they are sensitive to these concerns and that Canadian law will remain supreme.

The Mounties say they need the legislation. Criminals, said Mr. Oliver, are "exploiting the fact that we have to respect our boundaries and we have to stop at the border."

"We've had instances where we've engaged in the attempts to interdict vessels in our shared waterways, and the vessel has fled into the other territory and has escaped apprehension," he said.

Mr. Oliver also revealed that while it is often seen in the context of national security, cross-border policing is typically used to pursue organized crime.

Canadian and US agents are consistently focused on the terrorist threat as the "number one priority," he said, but "the reality is that during our day-to-day interactions, the most prevalent threat that we encounter is organized crime, criminal entrepreneurs."

Costs revealed

The RCMP has invested $3 million since 2005 on pilot projects, training, and getting four standardized Shiprider vessels, said Mr. Oliver.

The RCMP has roughly 400 boats, smaller vessels that are often deployed in contract policing or federal policing, he said. But for Shiprider, the program is now moving to a standard vessel so officers can quickly find equipment.

Around 140 Canadian and US cross-border officers have been trained so far, say the officials, at the US Federal Law Enforcement Training Center site in Charleston, South Carolina.

This year there are three classes of 28 people. They said the training is continually modified based on lessons learned in the field.

Each of the training courses cost the RCMP around $75,000. The Mounties pay for the accommodation and travel of officers, but the US pays for the courses.

The two officials noted that entrenching Shiprider into law didn't necessarily mean they would have to go to the federal government and ask for more money—the desire was more about a legal tool to use at events.

"Even in the absence of dedicated resources, there will be things like the Olympics, like the G20. Well, this will provide us an effective legislative tool in our toolbox that we can deploy on an as-needed basis," said Mr. Oliver.

Partial data-sharing in place

The Mounties do not yet have a single computer network that allows all law enforcement and government agencies to share information in real time, said Mr. Cabana.

The closest, he said, is ASIS, an organization that networks different security professionals. It has eight chapters in Canada: Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary, the Prairies, the Pacific, and Southwestern Ontario.

There are other initiatives, he added, such as Canada's Marine Security Operation Centres, which vacuums up and consolidates information from different marine environments. American agents are located at a site in the Niagara region, he said.

"There are processes and protocols that have been implemented...out of concern to ensure the privacy and security of Canadians and to make sure that the information that exists, Canadian information, is properly maintained and properly shared."

An RCMP intelligence analyst is also located at Selfridge Air National Guard Base near Detroit, said Mr. Oliver.

There are also the annual threat assessments from the Integrated Border Enforcement Team, which draw input from the Canada Border Services Agency, the RCMP, the US Coast Guard, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the US Customs and Border Protection.
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I'm not surprised at all. The FBI already has a office in Vancouver from my understanding. I think it's a joke but Harper needs do what the Americans want him to do of course...
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I'm not feeling eased or easy or even remotely comfortable with this idea.
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Does "step 3" mean that the RCMP have legal jurisdiction to enter the U.S. to catch criminals or does this step only mean the U.S. cops can work in Canada?
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^^ "SUPPOSEDLY" RCMP can go into US..

This idea is just calling for TONS of more bullshit in law enforcement regards. The USA just wants these bills passed so when they turn full-communist dictatorship, Canada will be at it's mercy and it will be "legal" then.
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I'm not surprised at all. The FBI already has a office in Vancouver from my understanding. I think it's a joke but Harper needs do what the Americans want him to do of course...
They have offices all over the world but no jurdisiction to do anything this would change that.

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Does "step 3" mean that the RCMP have legal jurisdiction to enter the U.S. to catch criminals or does this step only mean the U.S. cops can work in Canada?
Nope its only one way from what I've read there is only mention of allowing them onto Canadian soil. No way the American people, or even their crooked Government would allow the RCMP to cross into there territory. Like the poster above said I'm not comfortable with this I rather have drones watching over us.
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Steven Harper's plan is for us to gradually transition to a colony of the United States.

Do people who voted Conservative support these measures?
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That better not mean MPAA and RIAA can start making the FBI go after people in Canada.
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^^ "SUPPOSEDLY" RCMP can go into US..

This idea is just calling for TONS of more bullshit in law enforcement regards. The USA just wants these bills passed so when they turn full-FASCIST dictatorship, Canada will be at it's mercy and it will be "legal" then.
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AFAIK, they will not be able to do that, unless our court systems change to follow the american model as well.
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DEA is okay... in a broad sense that they're targeting drug criminals only (i hope)
FBI / CIA is not okay.

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What would happen if they target the wrong person (somewhat a look-alike?)
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DEA is okay... in a broad sense that they're targeting drug criminals only (i hope)

Well considering Americas 'Conspiracy' laws this is not good at all... they can basically arrest you without any evidence at all they could arrest you on hearsay


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This is fucking ridiculous tbh Im surprised the other parties and citizens aren't rioting in the streets over this



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Steven Harper's plan is for us to gradually transition to a colony of the United States.

Do people who voted Conservative support these measures?
Is this fact, or is this hyperbole?
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Is this fact, or is this hyperbole?
evidence would suggest that the probability that its fact is rather high

there's been talk of it for quite a long time now North American Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and im not talking about conspiracy theorists...

they seem to be taking many 'baby steps' in many sectors (trade, travel, law, etc) pretty soon we'll be joined and it would seem like the most natural course due to the years of baby steps taken

Harper however seems to be pushing it quite a bit
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Fuck that shit. Keep the US in their own country. This should NOT be happening. Yet another reason I fully do not support the Harper govnt.
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