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Old 08-23-2012, 11:18 PM   #26
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Shit. I'm all about innocent till proven guilty (ie. Li Shiwen), but man, if found guilty, it's time to get crucified.

What a guy.

Edit: There is no solid evidence.
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i say let him keep his titles!

the man did it with 1 nut!

Gave him the advantage of having less discomfort sitting on a bike for hours

On a more serious note, he was a cheating fuck and only stupid/gullible idiots still believe in him. Great guy in terms of his charity and foundation though.


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Well no fucking shit they would back the guy who made their sport "known". I'm using "known" instead of "relevant" because cycling as a sport is not relevant.

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In all, USADA said up to 10 former Armstrong teammates were set to testify against him. Included in the case were emails sent by Floyd Landis, who was stripped of the 2006 Tour de France title for doping, describing an elaborate doping program on Armstrong's Postal Service teams, and Tyler Hamilton's interview with "60 Minutes" claiming had personal knowledge of Armstrong doping.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...-details_x.htm **Article regarding 1999 positive EPO samples from Armstrong.

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I never knew there was so much hate on Lance Armstrong.
But then again, I never cared much about professional cycling either.
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Lots of people are saying that the world is out to get Lance. Former competitors and teammates who have been busted and trying to defame Lance due to jealousy, I can see that possibly. I don't know what gains or agenda the USada has to try and prove to the world that Lance was doping though, so I'm not convinced about this one-sided witch hunt.

He destroyed his competition who were then later found to be doping. His own teammates, whose sole jobs were to help Lance win his Tours, have stepped up to testify against him. Everything, except for the blood and urine tests, points to the overwhelmingly obvious.

Lance did the smart thing by stepping away from the investigation, even at the risk of losing some of his credibility and all of his accomplishments he can still say although deemed guilty he hasn't actually been proven guilty. I feel that the arbitration that was to happen would have revealed some very telling testimonies and likely new hard evidence which could have definitively destroyed all of his credibility and integrity--this will now never be known.

Innocent or guilty, you can't deny his efforts or contributions to cancer research with his foundation.
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I never knew there was so much hate on Lance Armstrong.
But then again, I never cared much about professional cycling either.
You're not alone, I'll go on a limb here and say the majority of the people at least in North America don't either.
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Lance did the smart thing by stepping away from the investigation, even at the risk of losing some of his credibility and all of his accomplishments he can still say although deemed guilty he hasn't actually been proven guilty. I feel that the arbitration that was to happen would have revealed some very telling testimonies and likely new hard evidence which could have definitively destroyed all of his credibility and integrity--this will now never be known.

Innocent or guilty, you can't deny his efforts or contributions to cancer research with his foundation.
+1. By not going to arbitration, it's seen as an admission of guilt. That might be easier to deal with than actually going to arbitration where some telling evidence may have been brought forward. Then again, his former team director Johan Bruyneel may choose to go through his own arbitration case with the USADA, bringing more information out.
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What gives the USADA the power/authority to "strip" him of his titles? Wouldn't that be under the jurisdiction of some sort of Cycling Federation? Kinda silly if you ask me...
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What gives the USADA the power/authority to "strip" him of his titles? Wouldn't that be under the jurisdiction of some sort of Cycling Federation? Kinda silly if you ask me...
the cycling federation or whatever its called is/was standing behind Armstrong (they were part of the case against the USADA)

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but USADA said the ICU had to strip Lance of his titles if USADA says so


With Lance backing away though its been nothing but haters and the headline hungry media ripping him apart which is ridiculous imo since there hasn't been anything brought out that says he is a cheat except rivals accusations
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So because one agency which is part of a world wide anti doping "code" which they all signed says he did it without hard evidence, means another agency half way around the world HAS to agree? Where does this make sense? Lol...
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So the guy who stands for never give up (cancer survivor) is giving up this fight? This is the best case scenario for him.........it is a matter of time until Nike and bud drop him.....I have a feeling, this is just the beginning of the story
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I don't.

I think he is tired of being in the spotlight and wants to focus on other things rather than continue to defend himself in this witch hunt.
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Lawyer fees will likely bankrupt him in the long run if he keeps fighting it in the courts.
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I can't believe people still think he is innocent........so if I survive cancer and raise money for cancer survivors....this negates my cheating? The evidence against him is overwhelming...yes, he has tested postive for drugs.
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Erythropoietin is available as a therapeutic agent produced by recombinant DNA technology in mammalian cell culture. It is used in treating anemia resulting from chronic kidney disease and myelodysplasia, from the treatment of cancer (chemotherapy and radiation). Current research suggests that aminoacid R103 to E mutation in erythropoietin makes it neuroprotective and non-erythropoietic.

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On October 2, 1996, then aged 25, Armstrong was diagnosed as having developed stage three testicular cancer (Embryonal carcinoma).[18] The cancer spread to his lungs, abdomen and brain.

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Neither defending nor attacking Lance Armstrong, but even if there were trace amounts found, the guy was a cancer patient/survivor. "Trace" amounts after he had these treatments is a definite possibility. Unless I see some actual evidence and not just "hearsay", to me, it's treating him as guilty until proven innocent. By an organization started in 2000, no less.
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So because one agency which is part of a world wide anti doping "code" which they all signed says he did it without hard evidence, means another agency half way around the world HAS to agree? Where does this make sense? Lol...
Sorry but there are tons of evidence. Two samples from 1999 found to be positive to EPO doping. Almost every single one of his past teammates willing to testify he is a cheater, before you say they are lying, what fucking gain could they all get from Lance being proven guilty? He worked with a known cyclist trainer who is known for helping his clients dope. I could go on.
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I can't believe people still think he is innocent........so if I survive cancer and raise money for cancer survivors....this negates my cheating? The evidence against him is overwhelming...yes, he has tested postive for drugs.
no he hasn't.


http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com...nclick_check=1

all they've got is supposed witness accounts from rival cyclists who wont be tried/tested if they accuse Lance

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USADA said the doping evidence against Armstrong came from statements by more than a dozen witnesses.

The anti-doping agency accused Armstrong of using EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, cortisone and HGH during his career, and that "scientific data" showed he manipulated his blood with EPO or blood transfusions during his comeback to cycling in the 2009 Tour.

It also said that witnesses alleged that Armstrong "encouraged them to use and administered doping products or methods, including EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and cortisone during the period from 1999 through 2005."

On Thursday, Armstrong said his decision did not mean he would accept USADA's sanctions. His lawyers threatened a lawsuit if USADA proceeded, arguing the agency must first resolve a dispute with the International Cycling Union over whether the case should be pursued.

"You are on notice," Armstrong attorney Tim Herman said in a letter, "that if USADA makes any public statement claiming, without jurisdiction, to sanction Mr. Armstrong, or to falsely characterize Mr. Armstrong's reasons for not requesting an arbitration as anything other than a recognition of (International Cycling Union) jurisdiction and authority, USADA and anyone involved in the making of the statement will be liable."

That didn't stop USADA, which quickly imposed the ban about 14 hours alter.

The Amaury Sport Organization, which runs the Tour, told The Associated Press it would not comment until it had heard more from the International Cycling Union and USADA.

In walking away, the 40-year-old Armstrong cited a familiar defense: he never has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs.

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they won't be part of a witch hunt supposedly by USADA

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no he hasn't.


http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com...nclick_check=1

all they've got is supposed witness accounts from rival cyclists who wont be tried/tested if they accuse Lance

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USATODAY.com - Story: Armstrong had six positives from 1999 tests

Read that entire article.

Why the fuck do you think a guy who's always gone about a "never give up" attitude when it comes to his cancer fight and his tour de france wins all of a sudden gives up and accepts USADA's decision?

Because he KNOWS he will lose due to the amount of evidence. This is the only way for him to save any image he has left because it will make ignorant/gullible/stupid people like you BELIEVE in him.

Before any of you say he doesn't want to spend any more lawyer fees on this fight with USADA, this is a guy with a estimated net worth of $125 million dollars so yes..I don't think that's the issue here.

He's guilty and this is the only way for him to save any sort of image.
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an accusation from a French newspaper saying that unnamed test results from '99, that were positive, are from Armstrong... although its not proven to be linked to him the "link" is simply based on this French newspapers "investigation" or accusation; whom, as stated in the USAToday story, have been after Armstrong ever since his win...


you guys...


for a group of guys that find conspiracy theories equivalent to a looney toons cartoon you sure are jumping on accusations as if they were facts... (makes me wonder why anyone gives charlesincharge a hard time)
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an accusation from a French newspaper saying that unnamed test results from '99, that were positive, are from Armstrong... although its not proven to be linked to him the "link" is simply based on this French newspapers "investigation" or accusation; whom, as stated in the USAToday story, have been after Armstrong ever since his win...


you guys...


for a group of guys that find conspiracy theories equivalent to a looney toons cartoon you sure are jumping on accusations as if they were facts... (makes me wonder why anyone gives charlesincharge a hard time)

I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.". BTW this a leading sports newspaper in France, so its not some tabloid shit.

Give me a good explanation why he accepted USADA's decision. Don't say stupid shit like "he's tired" or its due to financial reasons.
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I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.".
ROFL EXACTLY Its THEIR Accusation and claims that that's what they found out... they Claim they were able to match the sample ID #s


lol jesus

you and charles in charge should get together
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I knew you were stupid but I didn't know you couldn't read either. From the article "But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe.". BTW this a leading sports newspaper in France, so its not some tabloid shit.

Give me a good explanation why he accepted USADA's decision. Don't say stupid shit like "he's tired" or its due to financial reasons.
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All of the 1999 Tour A samples were used up in that year's testing. Some remnants of the B samples are available, according to L'Equipe, but two B's are not legally the same as the required A and separate B samples.
False positives occur all the time in testing, which is why they submitted two different samples (A & B). Armstrong can not be legally prosecuted using this test as all the samples from A are gone.

He also hasn't "accepted" the USDA's decision. Just because you don't fight something doesn't mean you accept fault for it. As for why he's not fighting it, it could be something as simple as the emotional drain it's taking. I sure as hell wouldn't want to keep fighting accusation after accusation, especially when they're decades old. Personally I'd say "fuck it," and live my life accordingly. Sure, the USDA would strip the titles but I would still know that I won them legally... and fuck those who would think otherwise.
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Call me a pessimist but I find it really hard to believe most everybody else near the top was doping but he was doing it all natural and beat them all consistently. That said I would probably say fuck fighting it to since the whole thing was a lifetime ago, he made his money time to move on. Stripping the titles at this point really doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of life.
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