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I have no emotional attachment to Armstrong, cycling, doping, his charities, or cancer. Im simply offering an other side of the coin perspective.
Hell, Im as certain he cheated as you guys saying he did are. But like you, I don't have any solid proof he did.
As for him 'giving up his fight' its like if you're getting bullied and told you're gay every day for 13 years and every day you say "no Im not" After a while you just get tired of defending yourself and find new people to hang out with or make a youtube video or whatever.
that summed it up pretty well
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Okay, explain to me the 11 testimonies from his former teammates? His relationship with a doctor known for assisting athletes in doping? Why risk that? He lost a nut not a brain.
i can't explain anything, i can only make assumptions b/c i don't know these guys. even if you told me who they were, i'd have to wiki them to find out who they are...maybe that's part of it...lance is "the man" and they're joe blow...but that's not a defense and to me in this situation that's not enough for a decision, only enough to spark a proper investigation.
what i do know is that if i was in a sport and everyone around me fingered me for doping...i would pray to God that whatever athletic commission is responsible for governing the sport would conduct the standard medical tests and if i passed i would be innocent and "free". if i failed then punish me as per the regulations within the sport. i'm not saying the guy is innocent, Rrxtar pretty much summed up the situation on how i saw it.
someone posted earlier asking if this thing will go before the US legal system...a part of me kind of wants to see that happen so we can close the doors for good on this and go through the scientific evidence to get the official Yes or No and move on with it.
so, if he was on testosterone replacement therapy (because he's missing his nut, less test being made blah blah blah
would that be ok? even tho its a banned substance? all he would be doing was bringing himself to level with a normal dudes test levels
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In most sports, hormone replacement therapy is allowed providing the athlete has a prescription. Funny thing, there seem to be a lot of MMA fighters in need of HRT *suspicious*. However, the athlete needs to test within normal testosterone levels in order to be allowed to compete.
Now THIS is a finely-honed troll move. Over the weekend, the above photo showed up in Lance Armstrong's Twitter feed, accompanied by the message "Back in Austin and just layin' around ... "
Armstrong is, of course, reclining oh-so-casually in front of the seven Tour de France jerseys he won. Those jerseys represent the seven Tour de France victories that the International Cycling Union stripped from him following the investigation and documentation of what the United States Anti-Doping Agency called "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen." Armstrong was also served with a lifetime ban from cycling events overseen by the USADA, and his 2000 Olympic bronze medal is now under investigation.
Now, obviously the UCI wasn't going to come into Armstrong's house and yank the jerseys off his walls. (The International Olympic Committee could be a different story. They have ordered disgraced medalists to surrender their medals in the past.) But even though Armstrong has removed the Tour de France victories from his Twitter profile, he's clearly not relinquishing the titles in the public eye.
Not exactly the most humble move, but then, not much that Armstrong does could ever be considered "humble." Clearly, there are more jabs yet to be thrown in this fight.
Anyone watch documentary The World According to Lance? They talk to a lot of his teammates and competitors. Some who claim they saw him use drugs. It's a good watch.
LOS ANGELES -- Lance Armstrong has agreed to a tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey where he will address allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs during his cycling career.
The show will air at 9 p.m. EST on Jan. 17 on OWN and Oprah.com.
If he admitted to cheating 10yrs ago, I think most people would forgive him and focus on the positives he has done (Livestrong) with his life. At this stage, the only reason he would admit cheating is because he has absolutely no choice.
Hard to respect him after all the shit he put his accuser's through.....he is getting what he deserves.....he could have been Mark Mcgwire, but he is Barry Bond's now........
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^^I think it had to do with actually being able to put it behind him. Being able to say, "yes, I did it" get your slap on the wrist, take your asterisk on the record and move forward. I wasn't listening overly closely, but the jist of it was that because it hasn't been dealt with, its still hanging over his head, so no one wants to touch him.
I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"
This is kinda like people who look at a gym rat and go, "Oh yea, well he's on 'roids that's why he's big" like really ? you think that's it, the guy just sticks a needle in his ass and it's what makes him who/what he is ?
it can't be the relentless hours in his environment, the dedication to his craft, the mental strength and fortitude right ?? oh no it can't be that...
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I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"
This is kinda like people who look at a gym rat and go, "Oh yea, well he's on 'roids that's why he's big" like really ? you think that's it, the guy just sticks a needle in his ass and it's what makes him who/what he is ?
it can't be the relentless hours in his environment, the dedication to his craft, the mental strength and fortitude right ?? oh no it can't be that...
Unless he can prove every damn cyclist in his era doped just like him then no, he can't justify it whatsoever. I highly doubt each and every one of the Tour De France athletes doped anyway.
Then you must not know the sport of cycling very well. You know the Tour de Delta/White Rock/ Gas town? Nearly all (not saying every single person but a high majority) are on something, and that's pro/am stuff. Small time. Step up to the Tour and you can be sure they are on something..
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I imagine he feels infuriated with all the idiots who choose to overlook the simple facts that EVERYONE was fucking doping! If I was him I'd just come out and admit it, "Yea I doped.... we ALL doped, making it a level playing field... and I STILL beat them all... also later on with one nut as well for good measure"
I'm damn near 100% sure that's the real life scenario. If that was the story he told from the beginning, then he wouldn't be in the mess he's in today. Except he was adamant that he was 100% clean, as far as his testing could tell. When everybody called him out on it it goes beyond jealousy and haters--he had only 1 nut for crying out loud! But then he wouldn't have held 7 Tour titles until they were stripped away, wouldn't have reaped the endorsement money from his success, etc etc.
After he admits his guilt, he'll pay his dues, people will forget and forgive him.
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