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She taught me right from wrong and always told me to stay positive and help others no matter how small the deed - that helping others gives us meaning to carry on. The sun is out today and it's a new day. Life is good. I just needed a slap in the face.
I would round up all criminal to work on isolated farms to feed themselves+ until they do their time. If they dont want to work they can starve to death.
I just visited his Youtube channel. Its full of this weird pro-Iranian, anti-Jewish & anti-American conspiracy theory stuff. This is no surprise.
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Originally Posted by MG1
She taught me right from wrong and always told me to stay positive and help others no matter how small the deed - that helping others gives us meaning to carry on. The sun is out today and it's a new day. Life is good. I just needed a slap in the face.
This is off subject, but in your world that is what it may appear as. In reality jews are against zionism, my American video are true patriotic ones and lastly Iran is one of the most true and just governments.
Yes right before my post, #57 the linked article mentions... October 2008, he was taken to Bellevue Hospital Center for a psychiatric evaluation
You'd have to be pretty special to be taken to a mental hospital for evaluation. Im sure more news will come to light about this.
I've been in for a psychiatric evaluation before for a job interview. Does that make me crazy?
Besides, just because someone went in for an evaluation, it doesn't mean that they are crazy. It just means that the police wanted to see if there was something going on. The fact that the media hasn't stated that he is mentally handicapped kinda indicates that he was given a clean bill of health.
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So this is how you want your standard of society to be, if someone looks crazy, take no chances and execute them. Fine, thats your opinion.
Again, that was not an execution. There is a vast difference between what happened an an actual execution.
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Like I said, they positioned themselves to be confronted, not back away for other methods to be used, how hard is that to understand. Everyone here has this "American cowboy" mentality, which is really worrying about the people in this city.
No, they positioned the subject in a way to allow him to surrender and to prevent innocent bystanders from being hurt.
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Take this local video for example, the cops have positioned themselves to confront the suspect. With RevScene's majority logic, was he to have a kitchen knife, basically everyone in this thread so far would be okay with his murder.
Again, I repeat myself: The suspect charged at police officers while brandishing a knife at them. In the example you gave, the suspect was running away from officers, meaning there was a far less chance of being hurt. You can guarantee that if the suspect was charging at officers with the sword, he'd be shot.
This is off subject, but in your world that is what it may appear as. In reality jews are against zionism, my American video are true patriotic ones and lastly Iran is one of the most true and just governments.
It would be inappropriate to share his Youtube acct here, and its getting off topic. As much as I find these conspiracy theorist guys deplorable, I have to acknowledge that this type of manic, Chicken Little-like behaviour comes from a place of possible mental illness.
For some people, its less about educating people around them that the world is operating on some sort of Matrix-like level for where your free will and personal freedom is a lie, and more about them simply NEEDING to convince SOMEONE of SOMETHING. Its a compulsion, and they seek out people and communities who will be difficult to convince because the mere ACT of them telling people about this "inside information" they have, or how they've "connected the dots" scratches an itch in a way we can't understand.
I was going to antagonize Arash for being "that guy" here on Revscene, but like ++TheOne++ and all of those other "9/11 was a lie" and "Moon landing was faked" people, I just feel sorry for them and hope they'll get the help they need.
For the record, I had changed Arash's avatar and user title to reflect Nazi ideologies, but... I realize now its wrong to pick on people like him. I've set things back to default.
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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She taught me right from wrong and always told me to stay positive and help others no matter how small the deed - that helping others gives us meaning to carry on. The sun is out today and it's a new day. Life is good. I just needed a slap in the face.
I would round up all criminal to work on isolated farms to feed themselves+ until they do their time. If they dont want to work they can starve to death.
So.... Reverting back to German and Russian behaviour, circa 1940's?
Awesome.
Except even Hitler and Stalin fed those in work camps, albeit a very small amount.
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This is off subject, but in your world that is what it may appear as. In reality jews are against zionism, my American video are true patriotic ones and lastly Iran is one of the most true and just governments.
Jewish people against having their home nation? Iran as one of the most true and just governments?
No, they positioned the subject in a way to allow him to surrender and to prevent innocent bystanders from being hurt.
Again, I repeat myself: The suspect charged at police officers while brandishing a knife at them. In the example you gave, the suspect was running away from officers, meaning there was a far less chance of being hurt. You can guarantee that if the suspect was charging at officers with the sword, he'd be shot.
Your so sure of yourself, the video doesnt even show him charging anyone, but we know he was surrounded and shot rather then given a none lethal option, that is for sure. Also again we'll need a crystal ball to know if he was going to hurt people after.
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I was going to antagonize Arash for being "that guy" here on Revscene, but like ++TheOne++ and all of those other "9/11 was a lie" and "Moon landing was faked" people, I just feel sorry for them and hope they'll get the help they need. I would like to see you to say these things the day after you get a physics degree and tell everyone about building numero 7.
For the record, I had changed Arash's avatar and user title to reflect Nazi ideologies, but... I realize now its wrong to pick on people like him. I've set things back to default.
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Also again we'll need a crystal ball to know if he was going to hurt people.
Well most people roaming around with an 11 inch knife aren't just looking to cut some fucking celery, carrots and onions to make a soup, so yeah I'm gonna make an educated guess and say he was willing to hurt someone.
Well most people roaming around with an 11 inch knife aren't just looking to cut some fucking celery, carrots and onions to make a soup, so yeah I'm gonna make an educated guess and say he was willing to hurt someone.
Your so sure of yourself, the video doesnt even show him charging anyone, but we know he was surrounded and shot rather then given a none lethal option, that is for sure. Also again we'll need a crystal ball to know if he was going to hurt people after.
Seriously? Not given a non lethal option? Are you some how managing to miss the fact that everyone is repeating that they pepper sprayed him six times? Or that they tried to box him in with a police cruiser? Or that they followed him for half a dozen blocks asking him to drop the knife and surrender?
SERIOUSLY?
And to flip the tables here... you're so sure of yourself that he didn't charge officers. What proof do you have of that?
Who the hell gets in the way of crazy guy with a knife unless your down to shooting him dead. Pepper spray and "boxing" him in with a car isnt good enough... and oh a whole 7 blocks, is this all the minimum quota to take a mans life these days.
Ive never fired a gun before but I bet I could of shot him in the leg once without getting stabbed... even take out his knees if I had too.
After seeing the video and learning that the NYPD cops used other options like pepper spray on the knife wielding man, I think it's justified that they used their guns to stop this guy.
He lunged at the police with a knife. That's a crazy, and stupid thing to do.
The police had to stop this guy before the situation escalated into something worse.
If the guy grabbed a bystander at knifepoint to take a hostage the cops would have an even bigger problem to deal with.
A police officer has to make a life and death decisions every day. I say they made the right decision to shoot the guy given the circumstances of what happened prior to the shots and the busy area in which it all went down.
I find it funny that you only read what you want to read, but neglect everything else. Must be a nice life looking through those rose colored glasses. Ignorance sure is bliss isn't it?
Oh and thanks for putting words in my mouth. That'll surely get your point across.
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So this is how you want your standard of society to be, if someone looks crazy, take no chances and execute them. Fine, thats your opinion.
It's tough to question what the cops in this NY shooting were thinking but when you have a guy with a 11" knife it's really not a win win situation for the victim. You either drop to the ground or risk getting shot. Same goes for the videos above except for the Paul Boyd case.
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Who the hell gets in the way of crazy guy with a knife unless your down to shooting him dead. Pepper spray and "boxing" him in with a car isnt good enough... and oh a whole 7 blocks, is this all the minimum quota to take a mans life these days.
Who gets in the way? Let's face it; people are stupid. All it takes is one person wanting to get a closer picture or someone not paying enough attention and the suspect suddenly has a potential hostage. I'm sure most of us are smart enough to stay away from someone brandishing any sort of weapon, but there will always be a few out there that, for whatever reason, decide to ignore common sense and want to get close.
Pepper spray and boxing him in not good enough? Why not? Pepper spraying someone once (not to mention six times) is enough to drop most people. My work was pepper sprayed once and even though I work in the opposite end of the building, the amount that flowed through the ventilation system into my section was enough to make me want to leave. I can't even imagine what it would have been like for that guy. Mind you, he probably had enough adrenaline pumping through his system to help stand up to it. Even so, though, six times sprayed should have been a very strong sign to the guy to stop the fuck going and drop to the ground.
And, no, I'm not saying there's a "quota" for how many blocks someone has to be followed before shooting. You're completely missing (or ignoring) the point I was making. He was given ample time to surrender, the police used plenty of non lethal attempts to take him down, and in the end he chose to ignore all of it.
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Ive never fired a gun before but I bet I could of shot him in the leg once without getting stabbed... even take out his knees if I had too.
I'm fairly proficient with shooting guns. I go to DVC quite often, as well as head into the bush to do target practice. It's easy to hit a paper target straight in the bullseye when it's sitting still and you have plenty of time to take aim. It's another thing completely to aim for a body part that's constantly moving in and out of your aim, especially when the body it's attached to is coming at you.
Go to a gun range and try to take out a clay pigeon with nothing more than a 9mm. Then come back here and say you can shoot out someone's knee.
This is off subject, but in your world that is what it may appear as. In reality jews are against zionism, my American video are true patriotic ones and lastly Iran is one of the most true and just governments.
True and just...says the country with election fraud pissing off their own citizens:
It's wikipedia yes, but a lot of the events in there are cited. Killing your own people who want change? That's justice?
Back on topic....
If I had no other choice to shoot to protect my own life after a guy charging at me has been pepper sprayed to no effect? Of course I'm gonna shoot, probably enough times to stop the guy from hitting me with his weapon. If I went for the leg and missed because I was in a panic, I'd die for sure; hence why it's just easier to shoot for centre of mass.
Yes right before my post, #57 the linked article mentions... October 2008, he was taken to Bellevue Hospital Center for a psychiatric evaluation
Fucktard, why don't you quote the entire paragraph?
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Police officials said they did not know whether Mr. Kennedy, 51, had a history of mental troubles. But they said that in October 2008, he was taken to Bellevue Hospital Center for a psychiatric evaluation after he was found knocking over garbage cans in Times Square. Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman, said he did not know the results of that evaluation.
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"said he did not know the results of that evaluation." because I smelled cover up fucktard
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Who gets in the way? Let's face it; people are stupid. All it takes is one person wanting to get a closer picture or someone not paying enough attention and the suspect suddenly has a potential hostage. I'm sure most of us are smart enough to stay away from someone brandishing any sort of weapon, but there will always be a few out there that, for whatever reason, decide to ignore common sense and want to get close.
When was the last time someone took hostages in a major news story that you guys keep bringing this up. Criminals that take hostages get sniped anyway.
Pepper spray and boxing him in not good enough? Why not? Pepper spraying someone once (not to mention six times) is enough to drop most people. My work was pepper sprayed once and even though I work in the opposite end of the building, the amount that flowed through the ventilation system into my section was enough to make me want to leave. I can't even imagine what it would have been like for that guy. Mind you, he probably had enough adrenaline pumping through his system to help stand up to it. Even so, though, six times sprayed should have been a very strong sign to the guy to stop the fuck going and drop to the ground.
I still cant believe no one had a tazer, come on, this is the biggest city in America.
And, no, I'm not saying there's a "quota" for how many blocks someone has to be followed before shooting. You're completely missing (or ignoring) the point I was making. He was given ample time to surrender, the police used plenty of non lethal attempts to take him down, and in the end he chose to ignore all of it.
All I can say is the guy was whacked out. Like the Vancouver shooting videos posted, taking out these kind of threats to public safety is almost protocol.
I'm fairly proficient with shooting guns. I go to DVC quite often, as well as head into the bush to do target practice. It's easy to hit a paper target straight in the bullseye when it's sitting still and you have plenty of time to take aim. It's another thing completely to aim for a body part that's constantly moving in and out of your aim, especially when the body it's attached to is coming at you.
Go to a gun range and try to take out a clay pigeon with nothing more than a 9mm. Then come back here and say you can shoot out someone's knee.
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What if the guy is jogging in-front of you, thats a straight shot which can be pointed to the ground to take out his legs.
@GLOW, I bet I can.
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True and just...says the country with election fraud pissing off their own citizens
[off topic]This is why in this environment of middle east revolutions the Iranian people have poured on to the streets and demanded regime change? Keep drinking the cool aid.
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Ive never fired a gun before but I bet I could of shot him in the leg once without getting stabbed... even take out his knees if I had too.
I'll take that bet. You set up a date and time at whatever shooting range you want, and RS will meet you there. You get ONE shot to hit a target at the equivalent distance and size of a man's leg - it won't even be moving, and there won't be any pressure from anyone waving a knife at you. You come within a foot of the target, I'll give you $100.
I'll make a side-bet too: another $100 says that the recoil from your first shot results in the gun smacking you in the forehead. The rest of RS can have a pool on where the bullet actually ends up.
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