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Old 08-16-2012, 08:22 AM   #26
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Disgusting.. i hope we all become extinct before the majestic sharks of the ocean.
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Hopefully, the younger generation of Chinese people will realize the stupidity of consuming a species to its extinction
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I'm a vegetarian, because I'm uncomfortable with the practices in slaughter houses and at factory farms.
shouldnt this make you a vegan? so you eat some animal products?
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Would you eat meat that is sustainably and ethically slaughtered?

Does this also mean you don't eat the Orange/White Atlantic farmed salmon in our local sushi joints?
I wouldn't take any issue with meat that is sustainably and ethically slaughtered, but I still would not choose to eat it because I have an objection to killing on a personal level.

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shouldnt this make you a vegan? so you eat some animal products?
I still eat eggs and drink milk, but it's produced by people I know, not at factory farms. I don't have any personal objection to consuming ethically harvested animal products.
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sign the petition...get this unnecessary cuisine OFF the menu! 4 CDN cities have done it.. we can do it too!

Petition | Make Vancouver fin-free and ban shark fin

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Its damn tasty and I see nothing wrong with it. Animals are meant to be eaten.
i agree. thats why we should just feed you to some hungry wolves.
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sign the petition...get this unnecessary cuisine OFF the menu! 4 CDN cities have done it.. we can do it too!

Petition | Make Vancouver fin-free and ban shark fin
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There's a fairly recent push to ban shark fin in Vancouver, Burnaby and Richmond simultaneously; the three city councils are working together to implement an effective ban that would prevent people from simply going to a restaurant one city over for the dish. Developments are expected mid-September.
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Its damn tasty and I see nothing wrong with it. Animals are meant to be eaten.
That's the thing, it's not even tasty. The taste is from the broth and MSG that the sharks fin is served with.
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Does anyone have links to sources that talk about the impending extinction of sharks, or about the effect that finning has on their populations leading them to extinction?

IMO, extinction is the ONLY reason to fight finning.
Being wasteful is an argument, but not a strong one.. We waste MANY things in North America, why pick on sharks?
Ethical treatment can be argued, but unless you're a vegetarian, it comes off as naive, given the rest of the food industry.
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There are lots of articles and studies which discuss the impending extinction of sharks, here's one.
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Also, here's a Shark Week clip on the effect the extinction/decline of sharks will have.

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I think the extinction is a serious issue, and I feel like when we relate it to 'shark fin soup', it just clouds the issue. The focus should be on the prohibition of hunting sharks due to possible extinction.

How is this handled with other species? International bodies/standards?
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That's the thing, it's not even tasty. The taste is from the broth and MSG that the sharks fin is served with.
The fins add an exotic style to the soup and its not like animals feel pain. No harm no foul. Plenty of sharks out there.
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It's hard not to relate the crisis to 'shark fin soup' because that's the driving force behind over-fishing of sharks, but I understand and completely agree with your point.

CITES is among the largest and most powerful of the regulatory bodies managing the trade of endangered species, but they haven't done much to stop the trade of sharks. The problem with CITES having 175 member nations is that it's hard to come to agreements before it's too late to save a species, or it's nothing but a crap shot on whether conservation efforts will be successful. There have been discussions on placing restrictions on trade of multiple shark species and blue fin tuna (which deserves a thread all it's own), but the discussions end without agreements. To add to that, CITES regulates about 350 million dollars worth of trade in endanger species annually, but the annual total in illegal trade is estimated at as high as 27 billion dollars. Treaties are relatively ineffective without cultural shifts, because poachers will find a way where there is a demand, especially if that demand is in Asia.

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they can grow a human ear on a mouse when the chinese scientist gonna one up it and grow a..............shark fin!! it'll look like a killer mouse. Then let it swim in the pool and scare everybody.
stupid eh like this thread why do we need so many on one topic?
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Its damn tasty and I see nothing wrong with it. Animals are meant to be eaten.
I'd like to see you out in the wild eat a fucking shark in nature.
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I'd like to see you out in the wild eat a fucking shark in nature.
I've been shark fishing on the north coast of bc. And those sharks tasted damn good. Made some fin soup as well. Granted they were not too big, but sharks none the less.
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Shark Week should be about this:

Not about soup:
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I wouldn't take any issue with meat that is sustainably and ethically slaughtered, but I still would not choose to eat it because I have an objection to killing on a personal level.



I still eat eggs and drink milk, but it's produced by people I know, not at factory farms. I don't have any personal objection to consuming ethically harvested animal products.
isn't eating eggs the worst thing a vegetarian can do if they're against slaughter of animals?

i thought eggs were the first thing you're supposed to give up.

you know how many male chicks get slaughtered at an egg farm? lol

each "factory" produces like hundreds of thousands of chicks per day.

50% of them are male... they're sorted out... the females get shipped off so they can grow up and lay eggs.

the males are thrown in a grinder immediately (immediately after birth). lol.

therefore eating eggs is contributing to the immediate after birth culling of millions of chickens per day.


i don't know about you guys but going vegetarian/vegan because of ethical reasons (mainly killing of a conscious animal)....

you either have to go all the way... 100% vegan... or you kinda seem like a hypocrite. lol.

you can't weigh the conscious awareness of one animal to another.
there's different levels. obviously a cow is more conscious than a fish.

so if you were to list every animal in terms of level of "awareness", where would u draw the line as a vegetarian? where does it become a level that it's unacceptable or acceptable to kill?

its okay to kill say a chicken? but its not okay to kill a cow? how does that work?

i'm sure cows are a lot more consciously aware of their surroundings than sharks.

dolphins are so consciously aware, they're considered by scientists to be non-human persons.

using ability to feel pain, or fear, is not justified.
if there was an animal (or person), that felt no remorse, or fear for anything, and couldn't feel extreme pain... does that make it okay to kill it?

it's all or nothing.

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Anyways ... so on Shark Week, does anyone know which show is the one with the shark taking a bite out of this girl? I missed the show and I want to PVR it.
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isn't eating eggs the worst thing a vegetarian can do if they're against slaughter of animals?

i thought eggs were the first thing you're supposed to give up.

you know how many male chicks get slaughtered at an egg farm? lol

each "factory" produces like hundreds of thousands of chicks per day.

50% of them are male... they're sorted out... the females get shipped off so they can grow up and lay eggs.

the males are thrown in a grinder immediately (immediately after birth). lol.

therefore eating eggs is contributing to the immediate after birth culling of millions of chickens per day.


i don't know about you guys but going vegetarian/vegan because of ethical reasons (mainly killing of a conscious animal)....

you either have to go all the way... 100% vegan... or you kinda seem like a hypocrite. lol.

you can't weigh the conscious awareness of one animal to another.
there's different levels. obviously a cow is more conscious than a fish.

so if you were to list even animal in terms of level of "awareness", where would u draw the line as a vegetarian? where does it become a level that it's unacceptable or acceptable to kill?

its okay to kill say a chicken? but its not okay to kill a cow? how does that work?

i'm sure cows are a lot more consciously aware of their surroundings than sharks.

dolphins are so consciously aware, they're considered by scientists to be non-human persons.

using ability to feel pain, or fear, is not justified.
if there was an animal (or person), that felt no remorse, or fear for anything, and couldn't feel extreme pain... does that make it okay to kill it?

it's all or nothing.
Where's all this interest in my diet coming from?

I eat eggs from a farm that raises it's own chicks. The males are ethically raised and humanely slaughtered at maturity, which I do not object too. The cockerels live a very natural life, with the comfy addition of a bit of feed during winter. Death is a part of natural life, as is being eaten by another animal. I respect my friends wishes to continue consuming meat, as they respect my wishes to abstain from consuming it. The choice to refrain from directly contributing to the death of any animal is a choice I made for myself, I do not expect others to share the same views, and will not criticize those who do not.

The majority of vegetarians will not eat anything defined as an animal. There are discussions on where exactly a line should be drawn and the general consensus is somewhere between oysters, clams, muscles, and such being okay to eat, but shrimp, lobster, crawfish not being okay. That said, the vast majority of vegetarians do abstain from those more simple shellfish as well.

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Not about soup:
Shark welfare has always been a part of Shark Week, in addition to cool 'air jaws' style shots and documentaries. The current week of specials has been no different.

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Anyways ... so on Shark Week, does anyone know which show is the one with the shark taking a bite out of this girl? I missed the show and I want to PVR it.
I'm not sure what the exact name of the show which you mentioned is...

you might be able to find it on Discovery's website though?

Here's this wees schedule..
http://www.discoverychannel.ca/Schedule.aspx

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I'd support a shark fin ban. Like everyone else with taste buds, you realize it's only silly Asians concerned about status that order shark fin anyways. Everyone else realizes it tastes like nothing and a huge rip-off. I'd support it for those reasons...that the process, price and cost in terms of endangered species don't justify the dish.

But if they were to try to ban something delicious like fois gras, I'd oppose that like there was no tomorrow.
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I wouldn't take any issue with meat that is sustainably and ethically slaughtered, but I still would not choose to eat it because I have an objection to killing on a personal level.



I still eat eggs and drink milk, but it's produced by people I know, not at factory farms. I don't have any personal objection to consuming ethically harvested animal products.
Cool, I respect your opinion and greatly admire the resolve out took to get there.
I would like to eventually lessen my meat consumption and make my happiness/diet less dependent on far raised animals. As a foodie, i have an interest not just what is on the plate, but how it got there as well. Our North American diet is totally not sustainable, i would like to do my part as the "chef" and "food guru" of my friends to explore sustainable, healthy choices.

Perhaps you would be willing to share done of what you eat in the Food/Dining section? I think we can branch off done of this discussion there.
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it's all or nothing.
No it isn't. People can eat whatever they want, for whatever reasons they want. I don't see mindbomber going around telling people that they need to eat like he does. He has his own reasons, whether you agree with them or not. If he wants to eat eggs and fish but not fluffy animals, that's his own thing.

If he was going around, like most vegans, saying that this is how humans are 'supposed' to eat, then I would have an issue. But if he feels better about not eating certain things, who cares?
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