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Old 10-11-2012, 01:19 PM   #301
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Discrete graphics Larger HD (5400 RPM instead of 7200 RPM) and no optical drive.

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Let's see. A lower model i5 2.3 GHz chip
4 gigs of 1333 Hz DDR3 ram
Only 1 USB 3.0 plug and 2 USB 2.0 plugs.

The Toshiba that was posted has a higher model 2.5 GHz chip. 4 gigs of 1600 Hz DDR3 ram, 2 USB 3.0 plugs and 1 USB 2.0 plug.

Yes you have a seperate video card and a way bigger hard drive while the Toshiba has a faster drive.

I wouldn't say your laptop has better specs.
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Okay, maybe not twice as much... I was merely using hyperbole to get my point across. Yes, the base model Macs tend to be in line with the majority of it's competitors. However, once you start spec'ing up your unit (bigger screen, larger SSD, etc), then the price difference starts to become more noticeable.

I'm looking at buying a new desktop to use as an editing machine. Since I know a few people with older Mac Pros, I decided to pop onto Apple's website and check it out.

Just to start off with a basic machine with the following:
3.2 Quad-core
6gb
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HD5770 w/1gb

$2549

I'm sorry, but you can build a PC from NCIX for a fraction of that cost. And it only got worse once I started upgrading it to something that would last me a while:

3.3 6-core
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Seriously, you have to be mental to pay that price. The machine doesn't even come with USB3.0 or Thunderbolt.
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Oh gee, I guess a judge, the NY Times (with various sources from Google, Nuance, Vlingo, Apple), and a respected game developer are just throwaway sources. Do you want me to keep looking for more commentary? Cause I can keep giving them to you if it changes your mind (unlikely). Forbes? Guardian? CNN? Pick your source. Or are all these news outlets equivalent to YouTube videos on the illuminati to you?
So now you're going to use an "argument from authority" to prove your point? Because a few "intelligent people" see things one way it must be right? So those news outlets are in the business of re-writing law and correcting the world's problems? They'd never post an article simply to increase hits?

Wasn't it The NY Times that had to "edit" the story they posted about Apple's "slave factories" when it was revealed that Mike Daisey didn't even talk to the people he said and much of his material was "made up?" Didn't the NY Times claim Apple was playing "access journalism?"

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Depends what you mean by tweaks (I doubt that you even know). The whole article sums up that the system needs change to reflect modern software development. You, on the other hand, repeatedly surmise that (software) patents are fine as is and serve their purpose well. I've not mentioned once that the system is a complete failure. It is screwed up and needs changing, that is for sure. Perhaps you should try reading the NY Times article to see for yourself how Apple attempts to wear down the patent office with submissions and how effective it is for them, amongst other problems.
I've read them all. So when someone shows one side of a story you think that it's a fair representation of the system as a whole? You might not have mentioned it, but the general comments from most people are in this vein. It's a "throw the baby out with the bath water" type of change most people demand. For example, they want software patents banned because they dislike Apple and their tactics, not because they are bad. Then if you mention that Google wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for their software patent they all disappear.

People keep demanding reform without even thinking of the consequences of the changes they suggest.

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This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I haven't mentioned FRAND patents once adn that is not the topic of my discussion.
I never said you did. Just pointing out that an article asking for changes to the patent system is also strongly against using SEP's. And I have brought this up several times in this thread and nobody seems to want to tackle that subject. Let's bring up every single thing Apple does that's wrong, but we'll give Samsung, HTC, Motorola and Google a "free pass" when they do something wrong. "They're only doing it because Apple forced them too." Sounds like my kids arguing "she hit me first."

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No. Thankfully, the judge in question was smart enough to dismiss Apple's ridiculous claims. Apple sued Motorola on the premise that a tap was a zero-length swipe and thus Motorola's unlock mechanism infringed on Apple's patent. I'm guessing this is something that's probably acceptable to you.
Continuing to report on one side of the story? Or selectively picking portions of Posner's quotes to alter the real reasons the case was dismissed? Judge Posner dismissed both Apple's and Motorola's claims. If you had followed this case you would have seen that they both got the smackdown from Posner, though Motorola fared worse than Apple. By the end Apple still had four patents in play while Motorola was down to one, and it was an SEP to boot.

The case was dismissed because neither side could show any harm. Without harm (like loss of sales) there can be no damages. Along the way Ponser made comments about patent suits in general, but they weren't the reason the case was dismissed, though people like to assume that's the reason since it makes for better news.

Posner also made strong comments on SEP's and FRAND that were in line with Apple (and MS, Intel, IBM, HP, Cisco, FTC....) and against Samsung, HTC, and Motorola. But let's not bring those issues up. We should only talk about things were Apple lost.

Apple never sued on a patent that a "tap is zero length swipe" although that point was brought up as part of the much larger set of claims. But I guess it's acceptable to you to take a complex trial and try to narrow it down to something frivolous. Sort of like how Samsung and Google like to release false statements that Apple has a patent on rounded rectangles when Apple has no such patent.


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Exactly. So why are you whining about something that hasn't happened yet (Apple suing everyone with their new slide-unlock patent)? If it goes to court then the patent will either get invalidated or it will remain valid.



This all reminds me of Microsoft getting a patent for FAT (file allocation table). First they got one, then it was invalidated, then appealed and found valid. People were all doom & gloom that MS was going to collect royalties from everyone that made a device that uses FAT (like SD cards, CF cards, USB thumb drives). Prices were going to go up. Companies that couldn't afford MS royalties would stop producing and we'd have less choice for the consumer. Innovation would slow because of money that would have to be paid to MS instead of R&D. Pretty much the exact same things Samsung is trying to say will happen to mobile devices because of Apple's lawsuits.

And where are we today? MS is making money licensing FAT and we have a wide range of choices for memory cards and thumb drives. Prices didn't go up for consumers and innovation didn't slow down (capacity and speed have gone up, size and price down). Everything the doomsayers were predicting would happen didn't happen. And despite Samsung trying to scare people, nothing bad is going to happen to the mobile industry.
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Let's see. A lower model i5 2.3 GHz chip
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Only 1 USB 3.0 plug and 2 USB 2.0 plugs.

The Toshiba that was posted has a higher model 2.5 GHz chip. 4 gigs of 1600 Hz DDR3 ram, 2 USB 3.0 plugs and 1 USB 2.0 plug.

Yes you have a seperate video card and a way bigger hard drive while the Toshiba has a faster drive.

I wouldn't say your laptop has better specs.
Mine came with 6 gigs of ram. Also USB is not 100% compatible with USB 2.o. It's been causing a lot of havoc with DJ equipment. Having a discrete video card is a big plus in my books along with the $430 price difference. The the savings I could pick up an 480 gb ssd drive and throw the other drive in an external case. Also ram is cheap as long as you don't buy it from apple.
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Discrete graphics Larger HD (5400 RPM instead of 7200 RPM) and no optical drive.

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With the way computing is trending (moving towards GPU based processing), Discrete graphics is definitely a plus. Not only does Chrome use graphic card acceleration, doors to Photo Editing, Video Editing, and Content Creation software that are many times faster are opened.

With a 7200RPM hard drive, access times are cut down, but heat increases, battery life decreases, and noise increases.
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US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

A handful of Apple patents have been ruled invalid, throwing doubt on a landmark trial that awarded huge damages to the smartphone maker.
The US Patent and Trademark Office has ruled that 20 patents relating to scroll technology "lack novelty".
In August a California court awarded Apple $1.05bn (652m) in damages, after ruling Samsung had infringed patents.
Samsung has submitted the preliminary ruling from the patent office to judge Lucy Koh, who is considering appeals.
The preliminary ruling follows an anonymous request in May to re-examine some of Apple's patents for touch-screen heuristics.
Some of the patents were rejected because there was not enough of an inventive step between the prior technology and Apple's patent.
Apple will have the chance to appeal against the decision.
Samsung has been calling for a retrial of the patent dispute case, claiming that the jury foreman had "failed to answer [questions] truthfully" and might have been biased.

Bouncing back

Apple had alleged Samsung had infringed its intellectual property in the design of its Galaxy smartphones.
The so-called rubber-banding patents, also known as overscroll bounce, refer to the bouncing animation that takes place when a user scr olls past the end of a page.Samsung has already found a workaround to the overscroll bounce patent although, if Apple's patents were found to be invalid, it is likely the feature would make a return to handsets sold in the US.

It is one of many ongoing patent disputes between Apple and rival smartphone makers.
The news that some of Apple's patents had been invalidated was first reported by patent consultant Florian Mueller.

BBC News - US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid
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but they aren't off the hook for rounded corner design so they still have to pay a huge part of that $1B.

As posted in the other thread..I wonder if they have a case against the new Chromebook
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Good thing Apple never made cars. Circular steering wheel? PATENT THAT! Everyone else can use triangles for steering wheels!
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Probably not. A judge will probably rule the chromebook isn't as cool.
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Curpertino, California - Apple Computer displayed its newest product today, the iPad Mini with an anodized aluminum back. Following the product announcement, Apple announced they would patent anodized aluminum backs on electronic products and vigorously defend the patent should any other manufacturer try to use anodized aluminum backs on their products


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Ashley Feinberg View ProfileEmailFacebookTwitterRSSMust be an uncomfortable moment over at Samsung headquarters right now. Just weeks after mobile division head J.K. Shin talked some seriously big game, a court in the Netherlands granted one more point to Apple in the companies' ongoing patent lawsuits.

Specifically, the judges banned any "Galaxy products that infringe on an patent describing a way to scroll through a photo gallery using a touchscreen." So any of the offending devices running Android 2.2.1 or higher that doesn't "use Samsung's proprietary photo gallery software" is now officially Dutch contraband. And every day that Samsung refuses to comply with the ban, they'll have to pay Apple $120,000 as recompense.

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So any of the offending devices running Android 2.2.1 or higher that doesn't "use Samsung's proprietary photo gallery software" is now officially Dutch contraband. And every day that Samsung refuses to comply with the ban, they'll have to pay Apple $120,000 as recompense.
...so Samsung has to pay for phones that aren't running Samsung proprietary software? How in god's name does that work?
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So.... Apple has a patent for scrolling through the photo gallery using touchscreen... wow.. that is such a low blow...

at this rate.. im sure apple will patent phones making calls.. haha
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ive used S2, S3, Note and Note 2. In what way are they similar to apple's photo gallery? Hell they all differ from each other even they all bear Samsungs logo. WTF.
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...so Samsung has to pay for phones that aren't running Samsung proprietary software? How in god's name does that work?
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You mean Android devices.


This whole thing just stinks to high heaven on both ends. The system is broken and all sides are doing their best to fuck each other as hard as possible in any way possible.

"We're going to make you pay for devices that you sold in the past and have no control over now, while not applying the same standards to other companies which are using exactly the same software in exactly the same manner."


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You mean Android devices.


This whole thing just stinks to high heaven on both ends. The system is broken and all sides are doing their best to fuck each other as hard as possible in any way possible.

"We're going to make you pay for devices that you sold in the past and have no control over now, while not applying the same standards to other companies which are using exactly the same software in exactly the same manner."


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That's pretty weird and I'd have to call bullshit on Gizmodo's understanding of the suit? What they are saying is it's OK to have a phone with Samsung's proprietary gallery software, but the stock version is contraband? Does not compute.
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I got a bit confused, so I read into the source of the source (srsly) to get a more detailed analysis.

It's the fucking bounceback patent AGAIN. A-fucking-GAIN.
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So basically Samsung/Android used to have bounceback when you were zoomed into an image in the gallery. When you scrolled to the edge of the picture, it'd show the edge of the next picture in the queue and then bounce back to the original image. Apple says "dude we own bounceback" so Samsung switched to the big glowy pulse at the edge (which seems to be the Android standard now?) but apparently they didn't prove it to the judges and (this is the weird part for me and gets my back up against Samsung) didn't sign an agreement not to infringe again.

So they have to pay a chunk of profits since the original judgement went down, and if they "continue to sell infringing devices" (I'm guessing they'll have to sign that we-won't-infringe form in order to get the ban lifted) they'll be fined.
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yes apple lawsuits on design patents is obviously an American thing to obviously ruin international companies chances of becoming as successful as apple in America, kinda like how Korea would probably favor all Samsung patents n they should just BAN each other in their respective countries then...

logically the judicial system in america is obviously biased towards Apple since Samsung have been producing phones in MANY different materials and designs WAY before apple...

probably why the Japanese never give us the awesome sports cars because they know if they become successful, rednecked patriots can prolly sue them on some absurd patent on how Chevrolet, Ford, or Chrysler invented VTEC...... and the circular steering wheels, and the circular rims as well... >.>
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Yes. Because The Netherlands is in the US.
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