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Old 10-31-2012, 09:55 PM   #26
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I can understand selling your own..... but buying up others and reselling them is just asking for it.
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anyone know what defines 'fraud'?

why don't you go after people committing id theft? easy targets means easy revenue right?
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You guys don't seem to understand it's the TRANSIT Police that are doing this investigation. Clearly...this sort of crime is withing their jurisdiction along with other crimes that occur on or are related to Translink property. I'm not sure what the ho-hum is about this crime.
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It's stupid they even care about this shit. It's retarded you don't have the option to opt out the upass from your tuition. When I was forced to buy mine, I sold it, used the money to pay for a parking pass at school instead. It worked out for me, the girl who bought it from wanted to set up a monthly thing, never had to post on CL again and try to find another buyer lol

If they don't want students to sell their upass, don't force them to pay for it. I don't understand why it's mandatory.
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It's stupid they even care about this shit. It's retarded you don't have the option to opt out the upass from your tuition. When I was forced to buy mine, I sold it, used the money to pay for a parking pass at school instead. It worked out for me, the girl who bought it from wanted to set up a monthly thing, never had to post on CL again and try to find another buyer lol

If they don't want students to sell their upass, don't force them to pay for it. I don't understand why it's mandatory.
Yup, monthly parking at the parkades at UBC is roughly $120. A upass can sell for around $60.

And some people that buy upasses still have a valid UBC id because they expire 6 or 7 years after you first get it so there's no risk to them.
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If they don't want students to sell their upass, don't force them to pay for it. I don't understand why it's mandatory.
It would not surprise me one bit if translink has their dirty fingers in this mandatory u-pass shit.
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It would not surprise me one bit if translink has their dirty fingers in this mandatory u-pass shit.
Umm... no.

The student union of a university must hold a referendum to sign a U-Pass service contract with Translink. Once introduced, the student union retains the right to terminate the contract with Translink at the time of renewal or during the contract period with six months prior notice should the opinion of the student body change.

At UBC, a 2011 referendum re-approved the U-Pass with ninety-five percent support.

Over a hundred other transit providers in North America operate U-Pass programs.

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If they don't want students to sell their upass, don't force them to pay for it. I don't understand why it's mandatory.
Offering the U-Pass at an eighty percent discount compared to a retail pass necessitates mandatory purchase. U-Pass programs work by spreading the cost of transit service across the whole of a universities population base, and securing the lowest volume purchase price possible by having the largest possible group.
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Umm... no.

The student union of a university must hold a referendum to sign a U-Pass service contract with Translink. Once introduced, the student union retains the right to terminate the contract with Translink at the time of renewal or during the contract period with six months prior notice should the opinion of the student body change.

At UBC, a 2011 referendum re-approved the U-Pass with ninety-five percent support.

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Offering the U-Pass at an eighty percent discount compared to a retail pass necessitates mandatory purchase. U-Pass programs work by spreading the cost of transit service across the whole of a universities population base, and securing the lowest volume purchase price possible by having the largest possible group.


I go to UBC and I don't need the Upass.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's transit. I should have the option between buying a 30$ upass per month or opting out. I've submitted applications online to opt out of the Upass but I always get denied.

You tell me if this sounds logical. "I got denied for saying no to buying a Upass, even though I don't want it." It sucks not having a choice and being forced to pay for something you don't want or need. In a sense my school is forcing me to throw money down the river for something I absolutely do not want.

This same argument I am using relays back to the transit tax on gas prices. Why must me, as a driver, get taxed for other people's transit? There are enough taxes as is.
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If they don't want students to sell their upass, don't force them to pay for it. I don't understand why it's mandatory.
even if it wasn't mandatory for students to pay for upasses, this would STILL HAPPEN. students that are smart enough would gladly pay the $30 a month and sell it for substantially more. soon enough, students who dont need it and opted out would catch on, and in a short matter of time we would be sitting in the exact same situation.

the only way to stop this would be to implement a different upass system. the current system, even with the changes made over the last year, only reduced some losses through fraud, but still needs more work.

i believe turning student ID cards into upasses would make a huge difference. students would be less likely to sell their ID as you need it for most exams.
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I go to UBC and I don't need the Upass.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's transit. I should have the option between buying a 30$ upass per month or opting out. I've submitted applications online to opt out of the Upass but I always get denied.

You tell me if this sounds logical. "I got denied for saying no to buying a Upass, even though I don't want it." It sucks not having a choice and being forced to pay for something you don't want or need. In a sense my school is forcing me to throw money down the river for something I absolutely do not want.

This same argument I am using relays back to the transit tax on gas prices. Why must me, as a driver, get taxed for other people's transit? There are enough taxes as is.
You, as a student at UBC and a resident of the GVRD participate in a democratic socialist system. You have the option to not attend UBC, and you have the option to not live in the GVRD, so you choose to participate in that system, and in doing so accept the subjective positive and negative attributes of it. The majority of people living in the GVRD, and the overwhelming majority attending UBC, democratically come to the decision that subsidizing transit is for the best of the populous. You may not agree with the decision to subsidize transit, but that is the minority position and thus overruled. That's why you contribute towards the transit system, live with it or move or attend a different university or both, because the majority doesn't conform to the minority.
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Big deal. Is like people from china buy a house here and resell it later for higher price. And they don't even live here. If the seller willing to part out their pass. Why the fuck not. Why is it a crime when we the normal people want to make a profit but yet is ok for the government to rape us with shit they can randomly come up with.
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I go to UBC and I don't need the Upass.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's transit.
I am tempted to just insult you (ie. 'Wow, they are really lowering the bar at UBC these days.' 'I hope you're an arts student' etc.). But you will leave the thread as dumb as you came into it - what good would that be?

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I go to work by car everyday and I don't need the Port Mann Bridge.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's new bridge. I should have the option between contributing taxes towards a $3.3 billion bridge or opting out. I've submitted emails to my local MLA to opt out of provincial and income taxes but I always get denied.

You tell me if this sounds logical. "I got denied for saying no to having my taxes go towards a new bridge, even though I don't want it." It sucks not having a choice and being forced to pay for something you don't want or need. In a sense my government is forcing me to throw money across the river for something I absolutely do not want.
And you are complaining about something that has 95% support? Hah.
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Ok, what if you lived across the street from your school and you intend to walk. The option for opt out should still be there. I want to say for most people, they don't sign up for shit they don't need. (sign up for cc's you'll never use, store rewards cards, etc...)

I understand at the end of the day, there will always be people trying to take advantage of the system to make a quick buck. I don't have a solution to this problem. Everyone knows the majority post secondary students are broke as shit, so I'm not surprised this is going on.
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Ok, what if you lived across the street from your school and you intend to walk. The option for opt out should still be there. I want to say for most people, they don't sign up for shit they don't need. (sign up for cc's you'll never use, store rewards cards, etc...)

I understand at the end of the day, there will always be people trying to take advantage of the system to make a quick buck. I don't have a solution to this problem. Everyone knows the majority post secondary students are broke as shit, so I'm not surprised this is going on.
So you live across the street from the school... how do you get everywhere else? Is everything in your life within walking distance? If you use the transit system a few times a month its basically paid back.

How do you get to work? Or is that within walking distance too? You should be paying $30 just for being so god damn lucky to have a complete life in a few block radius.

Don't work? Then how are you paying for university? Parents paying for it? Then shut up about the $30.

Do you drive a car, or have a private chauffeur? Again, see above.

I guess the only person I could see complaining about this (with a valid argument), is some bike riding vegan, who lives off blackberry and underbrush salads in a tent across the street from the school, selling hand woven promise bracelets to pay for tuition each semester.

I have a hunch the people in this thread are more of the - my parents paid for my car and university education, and they are sick of my lazy ass being unable to hold down a part time job at Swiss Chalet, so I need the $30 secretly returned after they pay it, so I have a little extra beer coin.

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I go to UBC and I don't need the Upass.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's transit. I should have the option between buying a 30$ upass per month or opting out. I've submitted applications online to opt out of the Upass but I always get denied.

You tell me if this sounds logical. "I got denied for saying no to buying a Upass, even though I don't want it." It sucks not having a choice and being forced to pay for something you don't want or need. In a sense my school is forcing me to throw money down the river for something I absolutely do not want.

This same argument I am using relays back to the transit tax on gas prices. Why must me, as a driver, get taxed for other people's transit? There are enough taxes as is.
As a UBC alumnus, I am ashamed to be associated with logic like this.

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I go to UBC and I don't need the Upass.

Why must I pay for something I don't use? I shouldn't have to. In a sense I am paying for other people's transit. I should have the option between buying a 30$ upass per month or opting out. I've submitted applications online to opt out of the Upass but I always get denied.

You tell me if this sounds logical. "I got denied for saying no to buying a Upass, even though I don't want it." It sucks not having a choice and being forced to pay for something you don't want or need. In a sense my school is forcing me to throw money down the river for something I absolutely do not want.

This same argument I am using relays back to the transit tax on gas prices. Why must me, as a driver, get taxed for other people's transit? There are enough taxes as is.
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When on every pass, and ticket machine, and every skytrain station the message of it being 'illegal' to give or re-sell a pass/ticket is plastered, I do not feel sorry for people like this getting charged. BUT I do think that anything more than a fine is overkill.
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I don't see how it could be "illegal". It's against TOS, for sure but illegal?
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