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Old 01-27-2013, 05:03 PM   #26
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Think of what the US spends on military hardware and how the military industrial complex has spiraled out of control, I'm going to speculate that with the level of fear-mongering in the States over the last decade, it is probably just as crazy with their tech side.


Intel and AMD and especially IBM don't make their money just from consumer and enterprise level stuff, again, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but they probably have a Government subsidy to fund their research for military applications.


The US essentially has an unlimited black ops budget...
So consider Amazon, Google capabilities, combine them, then let's just say we take a mere 3% of that.... it's a tremendous amount of computing power.


You also have to remember that any consumer products with military application are seriously dumbed down.
Consider the accelerometer in our phones, this isn't new.
At a commercial level, it's used in aviation and even then (I believe) that it's still stripped down.
It's origin as a viable technology lies in the fact that it's military tech developed from missile guidance systems.




Personally, what I'm most surprised about is that the land-warrior system hasn't gone out in full-swing yet.
With the invention of quad-rotors and swarm drones, our current tech should allow for 3D mapping of tactical area.
Consider what it would be like if you're doing an FPS with a motion-tracker + "black sheep wall" activated.


Think about Google Glass, you think it's just to replace the smartphone scree size race?
It's essentially a miniaturized HUD for military applications, as in the scouter from DBZ.
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i always love when people say "how can this thing _____ so much _____, when the best _____ on the market can only ______" like the military buys their hardware from the same ebay store you buy your ram for your gaming PC.
did you watch the video?

Assuming Kunoman's math added up correctly...he does have a point. 368x5MP = 1.8 GP

Even if it's running at like 300fps it doesn't add up to 1M TB of data daily...
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wouldn't you need to know the size of the files to accurately resolve the TB used? it depends on the compression of the file, if any, and the detail in each no?

mpx/gpx ≠ mb


aren't there like raw 5mpx images that are like 7mb-10mb ish?
kunomans calculation assumed the 5mpx images were compressed and so 1mb each
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So you "zoom in" will no longer be a lie perpetrated by CSI.
Hasn't been a lie for years. Lots of megapixel surveillance cams out there today watching people from afar with the capability of zooming in providing clear facial / license plate images.
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I find it humorous how some of you think that this is OK. It is NOT OK just because this is surveillance ONLY in the eyes of the public. Why?

It sets a precedence for the government to further perform surveillance on us through other means.

If you allow it to happen once, they will do it the second, and third time. Each time more severe than the previous.

"Oh, but they won't spy on us in our private residence or at our office."

How would you know that? Who oversees the government on what they can or cannot do?

There are so many things that they do that we don't know about. If this is the 1% of military tech that they are willing to share with us. I can't imagine what the other 99% that they don't want us to know.

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Hasn't been a lie for years. Lots of megapixel surveillance cams out there today watching people from afar with the capability of zooming in providing clear facial / license plate images.
Define "afar".

From someone who works in the industry and regularly gets to see and sometimes even play with the latest toys on the market... yes, The CSI Effect is still a lie.

Even this uber-resolution drone, still can't see through solid objects (walls, tents, trees, etc. Light is still subject to the laws of physics.
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Define "afar".

From someone who works in the industry and regularly gets to see and sometimes even play with the latest toys on the market... yes, The CSI Effect is still a lie.

Even this uber-resolution drone, still can't see through solid objects (walls, tents, trees, etc. Light is still subject to the laws of physics.
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The laws of physics is basically a theory by now considering the number of laws that's been broken in recent years.
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Define "afar".

From someone who works in the industry and regularly gets to see and sometimes even play with the latest toys on the market... yes, The CSI Effect is still a lie.

Even this uber-resolution drone, still can't see through solid objects (walls, tents, trees, etc. Light is still subject to the laws of physics.
Well not literally to the extreme as CSI of course.. but things have come a long way, as you know.
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Well not literally to the extreme as CSI of course.. but things have come a long way, as you know.
Yes... but a camera still can't see through walls... atmospheric interference still fucks with the image from a distance... and so on.
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Realistically they can't watch everyone doing everything all of the time. Six billion people are hard to watch. Hell, narrow that down to the 280 million in the US and Canada or the 250 mil in the US alone. Even with 10,000 government employees analyzing all of the information they take in that would be 25,000 people per single staffer.

I can't imagine that some government worker is sitting in a room staring blearily into a monitor watching some guy in Etobicoke selling an iPad box packed with a slab of rock to someone he met on Craigslist, or some other guy in Coeur d'Alene who drove off from a gas station without paying.

The government can't monitor everyone's email. Some g-man who went to university to graduate at the top of his class to get a prestigious government job isn't spending his days reading some Oklahoma teenager's Facebook posts as she cyberbullies the chubby girl in her class who watches My Little Pony in high school and writes crossover One Direction & anime fanfiction.

You are free to do what you want. The problem arises, however, when you do something suspicious that flags you on some algorithm in some computer somewhere. If you start searching chemicals used in explosives as well as subscribing to anti-government RSS feeds along with posts on your Facebook profile or Twitter about your liberty being eroded by specific minorities or social groups thats when you get someone's attention.

Pedophiles and people who trade child pornography would all be in jail if we were all under constant and ubiquitous surveillance. You'd receive notice of fines in the mail on Monday if you downloaded episodes of Top Gear on Sunday. Satellite video feeds of gang slayings would be used in courtroom testimony. Hell, the American embassy attack in Syria would be played before congress on giant high def televisions so they could analyze what went wrong there last September. They may have this technology, and they may be able to record loads of information, but they can't analyze it on a mass scale to put you in jail just because you backed into a car at the Home Depot parking lot in 2006 and didn't leave a note.

You're free to do as you'd like. You're afforded a certain amount of liberty unless you fit a certain profile which only applies to a very specific group of people looking to harm society as a whole. And you don't have to worry about seeing your freedom taken away from you.

But.

They do like the perception that the government sees all and knows all. It keeps people in line.
It may paint them in a bad light but they're not going to dispel that myth if it keeps people in line. The idea of "Big Brother watching you for wrongs you do" is the new "God is watching you for the sins you commit"

This may be the single smartest thing I've seen on RS.
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i was just thinking about that lol. now wouldn't it be scary if something like that is being developed or somewhat in place already?
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i was just thinking about that lol. now wouldn't it be scary if something like that is being developed or somewhat in place already?
there is something kind of like that it went live sometime last year where it collects every single piece of data available online on a person and creates a profile and if anything ever happens they can just bring up your profile and see everything you've done etc

cant remember what its called, but two people working on it blew the whistle and it became public knowledge

only looked into it passingly so im a bit vauge
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nah,read this,from 1940 & in canada at the time....apparently they've being studying spy drones longer then you Think.

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Realistically they can't watch everyone doing everything all of the time.
Yet.

Six billion people are hard to watch.
Earth is home to approx. 7.1 billion people.

Hell, narrow that down to the 280 million in the US and Canada or the 250 mil in the US alone.
+350million in USA/Canada.

Even with 10,000 government employees analyzing all of the information they take in that would be 25,000 people per single staffer.
The FBI alone has +40,000 employees. Not to mention CIA, CSIS, Interpol, non government agencies, etc.. and yes, people do sit on computers all day browsing the internet. Oh, and guess what else the US economy needs. JOBS!

I can't imagine that some government worker is sitting in a room staring blearily into a monitor watching some guy in Etobicoke selling an iPad box packed with a slab of rock to someone he met on Craigslist, or some other guy in Coeur d'Alene who drove off from a gas station without paying.
How hard would it be to report a crime to the police, police request surveillance footage at location "X", at whatever time and replay the footage?

The government can't monitor everyone's email. Some g-man who went to university to graduate at the top of his class to get a prestigious government job isn't spending his days reading some Oklahoma teenager's Facebook posts as she cyberbullies the chubby girl in her class who watches My Little Pony in high school and writes crossover One Direction & anime fanfiction.
That is actually not how it is done. It is mostly done through the use of key words, phrases, and a series of information tracking which you do mention in the next paragraph.

You are free to do what you want. The problem arises, however, when you do something suspicious that flags you on some algorithm in some computer somewhere. If you start searching chemicals used in explosives as well as subscribing to anti-government RSS feeds along with posts on your Facebook profile or Twitter about your liberty being eroded by specific minorities or social groups thats when you get someone's attention.
Correct.

Pedophiles and people who trade child pornography would all be in jail if we were all under constant and ubiquitous surveillance.
The system isnt perfect, not everyone will be caught. But, this will be a deterrent for a lot of people.

You'd receive notice of fines in the mail on Monday if you downloaded episodes of Top Gear on Sunday.
This is slowly starting to be enforced.

Satellite video feeds of gang slayings would be used in courtroom testimony.
They certainly would be if it would support the cases.

Hell, the American embassy attack in Syria would be played before congress on giant high def televisions so they could analyze what went wrong there last September.
Was this employed last September over Syria?

They may have this technology, and they may be able to record loads of information, but they can't analyze it on a mass scale to put you in jail just because you backed into a car at the Home Depot parking lot in 2006 and didn't leave a note.
It would be foolish to think that this technology would be solely employed for the purpose of browsing random video of Home Depot parking lots. It is all done in priority, based upon facts and data. This technology can also be used in many other ways.

You're free to do as you'd like. You're afforded a certain amount of liberty unless you fit a certain profile which only applies to a very specific group of people looking to harm society as a whole. And you don't have to worry about seeing your freedom taken away from you.
Not sure what you are trying to say here..

They do like the perception that the government sees all and knows all.
Obviously this is an exaggeration, but I feel you may be surprised with how much they know. Think about the information at our fingertips just through google. They have that, and MORE.
I had a great ending paragraph that tied everything together quite nicely but unfortunately my derp faced chihuahua just walked across my keyboard and deleted it and now i'm going to bed.
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The government can't monitor everyone's email. Some g-man who went to university to graduate at the top of his class to get a prestigious government job isn't spending his days reading some Oklahoma teenager's Facebook posts as she cyberbullies the chubby girl in her class who watches My Little Pony in high school and writes crossover One Direction & anime fanfiction.
What happens is that everything anyone puts online in the US is saved to a giant database - you're not monitored in real time. They have access all your online info and just pull it up when they need it.

Just google "NSA whistleblower"

Here's a link: 'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower — RT
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Pretty hard, actually. I don't know how it works in the US, but in these parts, the police won't just give video to someone because they reported a crime. First of all, the police don't even have immediate access to video - most of what they obtain comes from security cameras at private companies... and many of those won't give the police video without a court order. And then the police will usually guard the video with their lives - they're not in the business of giving it to anyone else unless required to by law (eg. defense attorneys).
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This is nothing new.

What I find funny is how people are surprised by this. Just like what lots of others have said, "this is what they're telling you. There's tons of shit they aren't about to let out, and probably never will. Thus the term, "classified."

If you start to worry about this shit, then you have 2 options:
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Obviously you were getting too close to the truth - the dog is in on it! He's been programmed to fuck up your typing when you're about to reveal something they want hidden!
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The idea that we don't have freedom is simply pushed by fear mongers who are unhappy with their own lives. We are extremely free, but so many miserable people want to fear-monger so other people are just as miserable as them.

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